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Posted: 9/17/2001 8:37:26 AM EDT
Does anyone know how the M1 carbine round compares to the pistol-caliber carbines? The shooting club that I attend is thinking about having a pistol-caliber carbine match along with their monthly USPSA match. They won't let us us any .223 carbine as the steel targets won't survive that round. If the M1 carbine is no more powerful then pistol-caliber carbines, then I would be able to use it. Thanks, Vulcan94
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 8:41:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2001 9:24:48 AM EDT by OLY-M4gery]
Something like a full power .44 magnum out of a fullsized revolver. Maybe I'm wrong, but my old Remington catalog lists muzzle energies/velocity as 30 carbine - 967 ft lbs/1990 ft per sec/110 grn .44 Magnum - 1042 ft lbs/1495 ft per sec/210 grn .44 Magnum - 741 ft lbs/1180 ft per sec/240 grn .357 Magnum - 583 ft lbs/1450 ft per sec/125 grn .357 Magnum - 410 ft lbs/1295 ft per sec/110 grn I listed the 1 .30 cal carbine load listed and the high and low loads (full power only) for .44 and .357 magnum.
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 8:44:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 8:52:00 AM EDT
M1 is a great little Lt Wt. carbine with nearly .357 power.. high cap mags cheap..plenty of ball ammo cheap.. and there is a pistol model available.. called the enforcer (if you can find them)... great little inexpensive carbine for folks of diminutive stature or the elderly virtually no recoil..and lots of history and collectable
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 8:54:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 9divdoc: M1 is a great little Lt Wt. carbine with nearly .357 power.. high cap mags cheap..plenty of ball ammo cheap.. and there is a pistol model available.. called the enforcer (if you can find them)... great little inexpensive carbine for folks of diminutive stature or the elderly virtually no recoil..and lots of history and collectable
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Ditto on everything but the inexpensive part. Neither the carbines nor the ammo are cheap any more.
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 9:49:48 AM EDT
I want to thank you guys for your prompt replay to my question. You have basicly confirmed what I had thought. Now I just have to convince the shooting club. Thanks, Vulcan94
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 9:56:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 10:05:07 AM EDT
Get a .40 or 10mm upper for your AR. I have an Olympic Arms .40 upper that I love.
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 10:08:06 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 10:11:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: OLY, take into account the barrel length when comparing the .30 Carbine to other pistol rounds. With a similar length, the .44 and the .357 FPE figures go up quite a bit.
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Absolutley, the figures were from a .30 cal carbine, 20" barrel. The .357 and .44 were from pistol lenght barrels 4" for all but the high powered .44, which was 6". I was trying to answer the question as posed and compare it to a weapon/caliber that people are familiar with. I think .30 cal to .44 mag is a good comparo, I stole it from a gun mag, and it stuck in my memory.
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 12:08:17 PM EDT
How does the M1 carbine compare to a lever action .357? I have been looking at getting something.
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 4:18:53 PM EDT
I do want a pistol-caliber upper for my AR-15, But that won't be until the end of the year, or beginning of the next. I just want to be able to compete now. Vulcan94
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 4:27:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mejames: How does the M1 carbine compare to a lever action .357? I have been looking at getting something.
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The lever action 357s can usually also accept subsonic 38 special ammo which has much less report. The lever 357 is likely better for cast bullet shooting and plinking due to the lower velocity. Brass is almost certainly cheaper and more available. And they'll let you take the leverguns cowboy shooting, if you care. Personally, I'd ignore all that and choose the M1 carbine for its historical attributes.
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 4:55:58 PM EDT
Watch shooting a carbine at pistol-thickness steel. I know from shooting bumpers that they will fend off 9mm and .45 but a .30 carbine FMJ will go right through them. Might be kinda hard on your targets. BTW I think the carbine is underrated. Short range (under 150) with Silvertips it would be formidable. Very light and handy, excellent in its original role which was not as a front line combat weapon but as better armament than a pistol.
Link Posted: 9/17/2001 5:28:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: That's not a bad idea at all. How about mag availability, capacity, and prices?
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Check Olympic Arms, prices for the uppers are around $500. Mags vary (capacities range from 10-35), one solution is getting a mag block setup and use Sten mags which cost $6-12. Some mag modifications may be required but you have some options at least. If 9mm will do for this competition then there are several 9mm configurations available.
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