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4/25/2017 7:42:44 PM
Posted: 9/2/2001 9:38:58 AM EDT
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) is amending the regulations to prescribe minimum height and depth requirements for identification markings placed on firearms by licensed importers and licensed manufacturers. Specifically, we are requiring a minimum height of 1 1 ⁄16 inch and a minimum depth of .003 inch for serial numbers and a minimum depth of .003 inch for all other required markings. We believe that these minimum standards are necessary to ensure that firearms are properly identified in accordance with the law. In addition, the final regulations will facilitate our ability to trace firearms used in crime. DATES: This rule is effective January 30, 2002. [url]http://www.atf.treas.gov/regulations/td461.pdf[/url] What's really bullshit is the source of their research: The Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research provided us with the following information: We have been informed by the Baltimore Police Department that of the almost 3,700 crime-guns recovered by them in 1998, 15% had obliterated serial numbers. Nationwide it is estimated that between 9 and 20 percent of the crime-guns recovered have had their serial numbers removed. What do these people have for brains, oatmeal?
Link Posted: 9/2/2001 9:46:51 AM EDT
No. Tofu for brains. More liberal of a food.
Link Posted: 9/2/2001 9:50:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2001 9:55:24 AM EDT
Jesus! 1 1/16" high! I don't know if there is any pistol that could fit a serial number that high.
Link Posted: 9/2/2001 9:57:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2001 9:58:45 AM EDT by jvic]
Am I reading that correctly? 1.0625 inch? Or is that ONE 1/16th of one inch? Seems somewhat vague to me. 1.0625 inch? Seems some small guns will have to be enlarged to fit the serial number on them. Geez...
Link Posted: 9/2/2001 10:56:23 AM EDT
That is probably the reason for the change. No more pocket pistols, like Derringers.
Link Posted: 9/2/2001 11:03:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2001 11:03:49 AM EDT by raf]
Link Posted: 9/2/2001 2:57:24 PM EDT
The 1/16 inch high is no sweat. I have a feeling what they are trying to do is rule out etched or laser engraved serial numbers. .003" deep is pretty minimal for stamping or engraving. Norm
Link Posted: 9/2/2001 3:15:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2001 3:15:37 PM EDT by Ulysse_Nardin_1846]
You guys are missing the point! The reason is so they can be indentified after recovery from the "fire".
Link Posted: 9/2/2001 3:17:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2001 3:51:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Norm_G: The 1/16 inch high is no sweat. I have a feeling what they are trying to do is rule out etched or laser engraved serial numbers. .003" deep is pretty minimal for stamping or engraving. Norm
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If this is true, it will affect all the C&R importers and probably raise the purchase price of these guns as they use laser engraving.
Link Posted: 9/2/2001 4:00:44 PM EDT
Isn't anyone else here concerned that a federal agency is using the data from an openly biased and exposed for fraud anti-gun organization to justify their actions? The Republic is lost.
Link Posted: 9/3/2001 5:54:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbroglio: Isn't anyone else here concerned that a federal agency is using the data from an openly biased and exposed for fraud anti-gun organization to justify their actions?
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yes. But we are used to it. The BATF doesn't exist in my eyes.
Link Posted: 9/3/2001 6:11:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: Relax, troops. Just read the ATF doc on their site. Text clearly says: one-sixteenth (1/16) inch high, minimum .003 inch deep. No sweat.
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I read the same.
Link Posted: 9/3/2001 6:24:56 AM EDT
When I build my own firearms, the ATF can eat the peanuts out of my shit before I will mark them for them. Can I be any more adament about this? Nope.
Link Posted: 9/3/2001 7:30:30 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/3/2001 8:06:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Sweep: Correct me if I'm wrong, but if they really wanted to figure out what the serial number is after it's been ground off, can't they perform some type of "x-ray" and figure it out by the way the stamping altered the molecular structer of the metal all the way through?...
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Not an X-ray operation actually - More like acid etching and microscopic analysis. It won't work if a LOT of metal has been removed.
Link Posted: 9/3/2001 8:07:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Sweep: Correct me if I'm wrong, but if they really wanted to figure out what the serial number is after it's been ground off, can't they perform some type of "x-ray" and figure it out by the way the stamping altered the molecular structer of the metal all the way through? [img]http://www.ncsg.org/topohat-small.jpg[/img]
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What you talking about is "acid etching". It can used to bring out the number. This can be defeated by using a cold chisel and hammer on the number BEFORE grinding. The chisel will disrupt the metal and make recovery impossible, IF done correctly.
Link Posted: 9/3/2001 8:08:58 AM EDT
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