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Posted: 7/31/2001 8:06:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/31/2001 8:06:27 AM EDT by warlord]
http://www.vny.com/cf/News/upidetail.cfm?QID=207075 UPI News Article: 'Heston no icon,' co-star says Monday, 30 July 2001 14:45 (ET) 'Heston no icon,' co-star says By KAREN BUTLER NEW YORK, July 30 (UPI) -- Tim Roth played gun-toting thugs in a number of bloody dramas during the 1990s, but the British actor and family man told reporters recently that he abhors real-life violence and believes in gun control. That meant that starring as Charlton Heston's simian son in Tim Burton's new "Planet of the Apes" movie presented a big moral dilemma for Roth since Heston is president of the National Rifle Association. Asked what it was like to work with Heston, who starred in the 1968 classic version of "Planet of the Apes," Roth replied: "It's tricky for me. I've got to tell you it was difficult for me because of the NRA. I mean, I found that very hard." The star of Quentin Tarantino's violent "Reservoir Dogs" and "Pulp Fiction" went on to say that he didn't argue politics with Heston because "it's inappropriate in the workplace." But he emphasized that he doesn't share the same opinion as many movie fans who think of Heston as an icon. "I'm aware of (his reputation). I'm sorry, but I've got kids. (Heston's involvement in the NRA) has taken away from his reputation, to be honest with you" Roth said. "Everyone is welcome to their politics, I completely agree with that, but (Heston) is such a force. ... (Guns) are problems that could affect my family. I have to have an opinion on that. But I didn't walk out. I was very worried when I found out he was going to be in (the movie). "But actually, he was all right. There was a guy in a rubber face on a bed and I worked with him. And he was all right. What are you going to do? He just went through four hours of makeup. Bless him. It's a tough gig," he added. Roth said he was able to shelve his feelings and do the part because "I am an actor." "So I'm acting. And I was completely in makeup, and so was he, so that makes it easier ... and (director) Tim (Burton) said a couple of things to me that made it possible because that's what directors have to do. He straightened me right out and made it very, very simple for me to get through that role." Meanwhile, Roth's "Apes" co-star Mark Wahlberg offered journalists little apology when questioned about his own real-life past, which is peppered with violent and criminal incidents. Once known as a rapper named Marky Mark, Wahlberg grew up as one of nine children in a racially mixed, but very tense area of Massachusetts. He [edited to include the link for story]
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started taking drugs at an early age and constantly got into fights. He served 45 days in 1988 for assault after he and some friends, high on PCP, robbed a pharmacy, then tried to steal a case of beer from a Vietnamese refugee as he emerged from his car. Wahlberg swung a pole and took out the man's eye. Now that he's 30 years old, "The Perfect Storm" and "Boogie Nights" star has this to say about his violent past: "I've never hidden my past. I've just focused on my future. Unfortunately, in the world we live in today most people are interested in what's gone on in my past than they are in what's going on in the present." Wahlberg explained that his past has helped him evolve as a person, as well as helping him play some of the characters he has portrayed on-screen. "I learned from my experiences and my mistakes, and I would have liked to go back and done certain things differently, but it made me the person I am today. You can't live life with regrets, it would make your life miserable," he said. The one-time bricklayer added that he is amazed at how good his life has turned out. "Yeah, I mean there's part of me that says, 'It's supposed to turn out like this, no big deal.' But then when you get an opportunity to look at all the different things I've done, the good and bad, (and) it's pretty amazing. I've probably done more in 20 years than most people do in a lifetime. I have a lot more to do." "Planet of the Apes" was No. 1 at the box office this weekend. -- Copyright 2001 by United Press International. All rights reserved. --
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 8:09:16 AM EDT
Tim Roth is an idiot.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 8:13:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 8:14:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AR_Rifle: Tim Roth is an idiot.
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seconded - all in favor?
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 8:14:51 AM EDT
Anyone see the movie? I heard on the radio this morning that Heston gives an "anti-gun" speach in the movie. Whats up?
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 8:15:33 AM EDT
[b]I[/b]
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 8:18:50 AM EDT
"seconded - all in favor?" I Another British idiot
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 8:30:53 AM EDT
Tim Roth abhors violence???? Yeah, he abhors it so much that he won't star in violent movies. Oh wait.... Does that also mean in an offhanded way that Charlton Heston, the NRA, and essentially all of us LOVE violence? Cause we're so busy knocking each other off here in the States. Look how peaceful things are in the U.K. Doh!
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 8:32:09 AM EDT
The NRA is doing good. When people fear the NRA and are uncomfortable with us, we know that they are doing the right thing, so lets pour it on and stick it to the antis. This EXACTLY what we want. The guys at the NRA are not paid to be nice guys, they are paid to defend our rights.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 8:33:11 AM EDT
It constantly amazes me how actors such as Tim Roth, redundantly interpret individuals and groups who support the second amendment as entities that glorify violence. Here's a guy who makes his living portraying violent men in sinister roles, hypocritically stating he "has a family to think about," all the while "glorifying" violence in such movies and "Reservoir Dogs" and "Pulp Fiction" in which he happily accepts a fat pay-check for his work. If this is not the true meaning of hypocrisy, I really don't know what is. Mr. Roth, if you don't like the politics in this country, or the rights/freedoms that Americans enjoy, move back to your native England.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 8:47:44 AM EDT
That meant that starring as Charlton Heston's simian son in Tim Burton's new "Planet of the Apes" movie presented a big moral dilemma for Roth since Heston is president of the National Rifle Association.
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But in the end money proved more important than his morals. Fits right in with the other antis. Eddie
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 9:01:02 AM EDT
I'm-a keep-a tell-a you people: If it's brit, it's fubar. Pie-eyed inbred twits, to the core.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 9:04:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 9:21:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: Tim WHO?
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Thats what I said.
seconded - all in favor?
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[b]I[/b]
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 10:03:56 AM EDT
Heston does go into an arguably anti gun speech along the lines of the gun is a symbol of their ingenuity and of their cruelty.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 11:41:18 AM EDT
For everyone in this thread who voted "I" - It's "aye" meaning "yes." And people wonder why the general public gladly slurps up all the lies propagated by the media? It's because Americans are uneducated fools.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 11:57:58 AM EDT
Does Tim Roth have a fansite? Might be worth adding some choice comments if there is.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 12:05:18 PM EDT
"Guns are bad! steel pole to the face good"
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 12:06:13 PM EDT
Is anyone surprised? Just another Hollywood dumbass happy to wave around guns on screen and take them away from everyone else. I haven't seen this one. But, as I understand it, Heston's "speech" is pro-gun in that he says guns are the tools humans have to prevent ape oppression.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 12:12:15 PM EDT
That's too bad. I liked Roth in Reservoir Dogs, but not anymore. You would think to be a good actor would require some intelligence. Apparantly not. What a dumb-ass. Boycott all Tim Roth films!
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 12:33:22 PM EDT
raf Tell that to Sir Winston Churchill. Better yet, a member of the SAS.
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If you're going to tell me how fine the SAS are, save it. Being a good soldier loyal to a nation of bumblers and petty tyrants does oneself limited credit. Hitler had some very fine soldiers too. Pardon me if I don't dwell on their merits. If you think well of England, you're welcome to return there. Check your rights and your balls at the door when you leave.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 12:48:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Steel Rat: For everyone in this thread who voted "I" - It's "aye" meaning "yes." And people wonder why the general public gladly slurps up all the lies propagated by the media? It's because Americans are uneducated fools.
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Well the saying is true, you learn something new every day. Thanks for that bit of information you arrogant pompous fuck!! Who the hell are you to call me "...(an) uneducated fool(s)." Have you never made a mistake with the English language? Don't answer that dipshit, it is a rhetorical question.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 1:03:42 PM EDT
Aw, come on guys, don't ya jsut feel all sorry for this Roth guy. I mean imagine having to work for weeks at a time living every moment in fear that your co-worker is able to call you a hopeless hypocrit and be 100% correct. It must have been galling to stand in the presense of someone, an identifiable icon, who morally holds the high ground in his beliefs, has the courage to voice them, and be unable to gather enough guts to say anything other than your lines! Go Roth, Go! Be an Actor, you'll never make anything else...
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 1:47:15 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/31/2001 5:46:05 PM EDT
If it was not for Heston playing in the original ape movie, this guy would of never gotten this role. Six
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 6:38:37 PM EDT
The inbred British pile of anti-gun dog-doo-doo does not have an official webpage. HOWEVER, there is an unofficial webpage and it is at: [url]http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/3753/TimIndex.html[/url] There is an open guestbook, I figure you guys know what to do. Perhaps we can get some of the anti's there going.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 6:57:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/31/2001 6:54:09 PM EDT by AR_in_the_woods]
Name : Guns_equal_Freedom URL : Email : Guns_equal_Freedom.com Where Are You From? : The USA Favorite Tim Movie : none Favorite non-Tim movie : Any with lots of firearms Other Favorite Actors and Actresses : Charlton Heston Your Comments (space is limited here, sorry!) : What in British inbred waste of space! He will star in movies with violence and firearms yet denounce the very thing that made him money. Kiss my American ASS!
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Whomever posted this [beer]
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 7:31:07 PM EDT
The encouraging remarks of a caring, concerned, compassionate, and sage film Director, "YOU WANT A PAYCHECK!!! DO AS I SAY, DUMBASS!!!!" Mr. Roth might do well with a history lesson on the 1917 ENFIELD IN .303 bRITISH, and ALSO the NRA ADS of the 2nd WW that produced bookoo American GUNS for the British Home Guard to defend their butts because gun control had left their cupboards barren. Anyone having access to that info. on computer might email it to him for his edification as a properly educated Limey. Am I thinking right that Churchill carried a Colt 1911 during the war?
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 7:50:23 PM EDT
What I don't get is why this two-bit assholes opinions even count. He is not a policy expert on anything.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 7:51:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By powderburner: Mr. Roth might do well with a history lesson on the 1917 ENFIELD IN .303 bRITISH, and ALSO the NRA ADS of the 2nd WW that produced bookoo American GUNS for the British Home Guard to defend their butts because gun control had left their cupboards barren. Am I thinking right that Churchill carried a Colt 1911 during the war?
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Well those Limeys would be eating sourkraut instead of fish & chips if it wasn't for those gun-toting Americans.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 9:32:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/31/2001 9:29:49 PM EDT by SNIPERm88]
Originally Posted By mtnpatriot:
Originally Posted By Steel Rat: For everyone in this thread who voted "I" - It's "aye" meaning "yes." And people wonder why the general public gladly slurps up all the lies propagated by the media? It's because Americans are uneducated fools.
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Well the saying is true, you learn something new every day. Thanks for that bit of information you arrogant pompous fuck!! Who the hell are you to call me "...(an) uneducated fool(s)." Have you never made a mistake with the English language? Don't answer that dipshit, it is a rhetorical question.
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All who secound mtnpatriot, say AYE. "AYE" Thanks for the correction Pompous asshole. I am a victim of public schooling, and slowly trying to correct that myself. Thanks for the help.
Link Posted: 7/31/2001 10:07:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/31/2001 10:40:37 PM EDT by MelonPopper-M1A]
MTNPatriot:AYE!!!!!! (GD, I hate arrogant morons) AND, (and I truly hate to break it to ya, fellas), politics don't really come into play in combat. A good soldier is a good soldier, period. he (wherever he may come from) is willing to fight and die for his country and his people, and that alone deserves-no....DEMANDS respect. I'll say again what I said in a different thread (altered slightly): If you want to REALLY want to know if the German soldier in WW2 was a good soldier, worthy of respect, ask a veteran who fought against him. If you want to know if the SAS has good soldiers, ask anybody in the Special Forces. Give credit where it is due.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 7:06:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By trickshot: What I don't get is why this two-bit assholes opinions even count. He is not a policy expert on anything.
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Good question but I think the answer sucks. We tend to lend credence to popular figures (film, music, and sports) regardless of whether or not they may actually know something. Were he to say that he abhors the firearm situation in England and wishes it could be more like the US, we'd be cheering instead of jeering. Basically, popular figures are useful tools for us or dangerous weapons against us. That said, lets sign on to his website and let him know how we feel!!!
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 7:33:12 AM EDT
The dude that runs his fan site is deleting all additions to the guestbook that are critical of Roth. I think we should make him work a little harder!
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 8:16:11 AM EDT
There must be some delay between signing his guestbook and having them appear. Probably gives the webmaster a chance to cull them out. Just added my comments and they didn't appear.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 11:59:18 AM EDT
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Thanks for the support SNIPERm88 & MelonPopper. But I feel I need to apologize to my fellow board members for my use of profanity in my post. I still fell just as strong in my opinion of steel rat as I did when I posted but there is no excuse for my name-calling. That lowers myself to a level where I don't want to be. If I can't get my point across without name calling, I shouldn't be arguing at all.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 12:14:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mtnpatriot: Thanks for the support SNIPERm88 & MelonPopper. But I feel I need to apologize to my fellow board members for my use of profanity in my post. I still fell just as strong in my opinion of steel rat as I did when I posted but there is no excuse for my name-calling. That lowers myself to a level where I don't want to be. If I can't get my point across without name calling, I shouldn't be arguing at all.
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WOW! A rarity here. Someone willing to own up to his mistake and apoologize for it. For that you have my respect, mtnpatriot. BTW, I agree with you regarding the 'correction' proferred by steelrat. I saw the 'I' as a play on 'aye' but, then, I'm not exactly the Miss Manners of the English language as some see themselves here. Enjoy. CB Edited because I forgot to say how hypocritical elitists such as Mr. Roth sicken me. Regardless of their political persuasion. I saw and enjoyed the movie this weekend (obviously prior to hearing of Mr. Roth's antics). The benefits of having a pre-teen son.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 12:21:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/1/2001 12:20:25 PM EDT by BillofRights]
Lord, how I Hate those hollywood hypocrites. What about the guy who's eye he knocked out. Too bad He wasn't armed. You just have to hope that there is justice in the next life, because there is precious little of it in this one.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 1:07:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 7:55:37 PM EDT
I didn't take Heston's speach to be anti-gun. I saw it more as a general warning about humans intelligence and inventiveness.
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 8:15:34 PM EDT
Hollywood is so hypocritical. What are his children going to think of his horribly violent, bloody movies? Will he say, "This is just acting and it is protected by the 1st Amendment?" Asshole. Go back to England where they have plenty of gun control for a socialist fruit like you. Wich brings me to another question: He can't vote because he's not American, so why the hell should anybody give a shit about his political opinion?!
Link Posted: 8/1/2001 9:29:38 PM EDT
So, Tim(We got our asses kicked by a bunch of American farmers in the Revolution)Roth is looking for an icon. Well here ya go Timmey boy!![-!-]
Link Posted: 8/3/2001 2:39:28 PM EDT
Heston's little speech about guns in the movie needs to be in context. He pulls the gun out of some relics and says to Tim Roth that it is evidence of man's cunning and ingenuity and more powerful than 100 spears or something. It would be like the Japanese pointing to the A-bomb and using the same words.....the Apes and Humans were at WAR!, the significant fact. Roth said he was uneasy working with Heston and talked to Director Tim Burton, who "set him straight". I can only guess what the words were....."Look, I'll give you all the bananas you can eat!"
Link Posted: 8/3/2001 3:44:50 PM EDT
From the moment I took my first breath, I had all of the rights bestowed upon the royals of the UK. For those who are born as subjects, I suspect it would be a hard concept for them to swallow. They are still pissed because of all the wild oats sowed while we (American soldiers)occupied their little island. WHO'S YOUR DADDY?? Waterdog
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