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Posted: 7/12/2001 8:51:42 PM EDT
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And I got a bridge I can sell ya !!!!
(or maybe a beta mag) [x] |
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Posted: 7/12/2001 8:52:58 PM EDT
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i've got a real good price on a terrestrial orbiting satellite...
correct amount of packaging material my ass... |
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Posted: 7/12/2001 8:54:27 PM EDT
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they've been doing that near me forever. they even had a good laugh me when I went to send me Sar 8 back to springfield, the counter people joked and asked me if it was for squirrel shooting. they also showed me another rifle that was being shipped to show me had secure their packaging was to prevent damage.
the UPS near me only wanted open packages to look at if they were to be insured |
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Posted: 7/12/2001 9:43:42 PM EDT
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Actually this is true.
UPS has been losing thier ass on damaged packages so there is a big push right now to make sure packages are packed properly. Drivers are instructed to refuse any package that does not have proper packing materials such as a sturdy box, proper tape(no duct tape or masking tape) and proper packing. All insured packages are to be opened and inspected at the hubs to insure they are properly packed. UPS was paying out hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages a year due to bad packing. Some people would put a TV or computer loose in a box, insure it for $1000, and then when it fell out of the box and broke UPS would shell out the cash no questions asked. Apparently claims are eating thier lunch and they are really pushing hard to lower them. If a box is improperly packed it is sent back to the shiiper the next day with a note explaining the problem andinstructions for proper packing. I really think this is just a measure to try and lower cost so the stockholders can make a little more money. |
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Posted: 7/12/2001 10:13:10 PM EDT
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This has been thier policy for a while. They can't and don't keep up with it. The lines at christmas time go out the door as it is. I just tape the shit out of things. Let em open up and re-tape if they wanna it's a waste of thier time and I don't care
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Posted: 7/12/2001 10:47:47 PM EDT
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the UPS hub i worked at handled 35-50,000 packages a DAY.
if a package broke open, it was sent to a special section called RE-PACK, or we would tape them up right there on the spot. maybe when you bring a package in to the counter and its not packed good the person will inspect it or whatever, but Inspections DO NOT happen nor are there any X-ray machines or some such BS that gets tossed around from time to time. heres a packing tip -- pack the box strong enough so that you can run it over in your car, and then back up over it. if the box can survive that abuse then MAYBE it can survive UPS. NEVER put GUN on the package or BUSHMASTER FIREARMS etc put 2-3 address labels on the box, in LARGE CLEAR letters |
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Posted: 7/13/2001 1:14:24 AM EDT
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It's been a few years since I worked for UPS in college but we had a re-wrap for packages that broke open or were obviously not properly packed. Mostly they were just taped up etc as the tape would let go etc. One story though there was a DR. shipping human remains for study through UPS until a box broke open and a head was found in a cooler not at our site but we heard about it. Lots of people sent over insured items packed loosely just for insurance fraud though can't blame them for wanting to inspect packing but if they start refusing to ship guns I'll be done with them no former employee loyalty.
Boomin |
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Posted: 7/13/2001 12:23:00 PM EDT
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UPS has been "doing" this at their Oklahoma City hub since mid-1999. I don't believe anything they say, especially when the only packages that I've seen those slobs open and inspect are firearm and firearm related packages. Just to test them out, I shipped a muzzleloader to a guy in New York last December and declared it as "miscellaneaous table legs and furniture pieces" and insured it for $300. It wasn't opened. Sent a couple of firearms off during the same week through the same hub and declared them as such and had them opened and half-assed inspected and repacked. Yeah, they're really on top of things. Wonder why the Postal Service doesn't behave like this when shipping firearms? The only damage claim that I ever submitted to UPS was over $40 of missing auto parts that were in a box that was delivered to me opened. You can bet that I don't do any business with them anymore.
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Posted: 7/13/2001 12:43:37 PM EDT
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They've been doing this in Phoenix since 98. Since then I've shipped 7 rifles, and one machine gun (trigger group) and never had a problem. They make you ship a pistol by overnight air, but you can ship a machine gun by ground, go figure.
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Posted: 7/13/2001 12:53:17 PM EDT
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I am sure there are people that package broken
products and ship them just to collect the insurance. |
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Posted: 7/13/2001 9:45:05 PM EDT
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UPS only inspects insured packages that are considered high value which is $1000 and up. However they do inspect all firearms to make sure they don't fall out of the box or worse in transit.
I don't know how they do things at the customer counter but if they are like the people who run the 1-800 number they are uninformed idiots. To my knowledge ther is no special attention being laid upon firearms other than to make sure they are properly packed, legally shipped, and that they get where they are going. I ARSed a FAL back to DSA and all I did was give it to my driver, and he returned it directly to me two weeks later no questions asked. |
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Posted: 7/13/2001 10:36:08 PM EDT
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UPS inspecting high value packages sucks. I just packed my Bushy AR15 in the most secure way that you could imagine. I didn't want to alert the driver that this is a weapon by sending it in the hard case like Bushy asked me to. My wife helped me, we used a strong cardboard box, 4 rolls of fine bubble paper, two rolls of packing tape, 4 smaller rolls of duct tape and 1 1/2 rolls of super strong, rubber-like, industrial tape. I also printed up 5 tags for shipping, and I put my contact info in the buttstock, 5 more envelopes IN the box with my contact info and a description of the problem. I put rubber bands around the stock to hold in place a tag that reads, "This Weapon, Serial#... is property of..." I put one on each side of the stock. My wife and I were cracking up after we were done. You have to see this package. It is going to take the Bushmaster armorers at least 20 minutes just to get to the actual weapon! It weighs a ton also.....It was based on replies from my other post about shipping a weapon back to MFG, that had me concerned about losing my weapon, or having it damaged in transit. I sure hope that UPS does not open this package because I am not telling them that it is a Weapon, but maybee a car part like a rack, or a crib for a baby because we ultimately wrapped it in paper left over from a baby shower. I am insuring it for $1,500. I don't think that they will be able to pack her up as well as I did if they open it.
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Posted: 7/13/2001 10:51:31 PM EDT
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I was just thinking, Bushy told me that I am not required to tell UPS that it is a weapon. I have to insure it for $1,500. I nver had to ship anything of value so I am not sure how it works. Do you have to list exactly what is in the box in order to insure it? If I put down for example that it contains a crib for a baby, and they inspect it later and find an AR15, do you lose the insurance coverage if something happens to it? I don't want to tell them if I don't have to. I live in NY, and this could be the last time that I see my AR15. I wish there was another way, but she needs some repairs under warranty.
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Posted: 7/14/2001 12:31:00 AM EDT
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Long guns can be shipped via parcel post by non-licensees and there is always Federal Express. Yes 455SD, the counter people (at least in Oklahoma City) are generally morons, as is their silly little manager. You should have a discussion with him sometime, you'll want to rip your hair out and strangle him before it's all over.
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Posted: 7/14/2001 12:34:20 AM EDT
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Good so now they know what's in the box before they make it disappear.
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Posted: 7/14/2001 2:40:06 AM EDT
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Just a few weeks ago I shipped a lower back to a manufacturer for inspection via UPS. It was pre-ban, so I insured it for what I thought it would cost to replace it. They informed me since it was insured for so much, they would have to inspect the contents to make sure it was packaged adequately. Believe me it was. Fortunately the guy just opened it, saw the ton of bubble wrap I wrapped it up in, and said it was fine, closed the box and retaped it. I assumed they're reason was for supposed insurance fraud liabilities. Glad I wasn't shipping a complete firearm, pretty hard not to tell what it is then. BTW, I described the contents as "machined aluminum part". This isn't lieing, I just didn't volunteer anymore info than was needed. The two employees that were working the counter seemed to legitimately be unsupportive of the new policy, probably because they know it's pissing people off, and they're the ones who are gonna catch the heat from the inconvenienced customer. I wouldn't have bothered buying labels and packing tape if I knew in advance they were just gonna open it anyways, and let them know that to.
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Posted: 7/14/2001 4:24:49 AM EDT
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This is why I only use Fedex. Several shops I know of will not use UPS anymore. If UPS can't keep their own people from stealing everything in sight, who needs them.
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Posted: 7/14/2001 4:30:24 AM EDT
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I ship quite alot at ups and usps and ups does not have a problem with anything that I ship unless its marked glass or insured at a high rate unless its marked clothes or sleeping bag or the like. if I have to ship something and insure it so it does not get opened I go to the post office.
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Posted: 7/14/2001 6:09:29 PM EDT
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Quoted:
BTW, I described the contents as "machined aluminum part". |
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Posted: 7/14/2001 7:19:26 PM EDT
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Hey if you do want UPS to open your package simply avoid using the customer counter at all.
For and extra $10 you call UPS and have them do a one-time pickup from your house or business. As long as it is packed well, the driver couldn't care less what you are shipping and if it is insured for under $1000 it will just get unloaded onto the belt when he gets back to the hub. I know the extra $10 sucks but you don't have to mess with idiots at the customer counter or even leave the house. |
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Posted: 7/14/2001 8:02:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LARRY G: This is why I only use Fedex. Several shops I know of will not use UPS anymore. If UPS can't keep their own people from stealing everything in sight, who needs them. No kidding. USPS or FedEx, same at my workplace. The BBT is not an option, except for things like anvils, which they might not be able to break, ruin, or pilfer. Juggernaut |
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Posted: 7/14/2001 8:47:44 PM EDT
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This is just another way for the morons at UPS to ban guns via the "back door." If you all will remember, back in '99 right before they foisted their handgun policy upon us, they were considering just banning all firearm shipments outright. Due to pressure from various gun groups, they compromised and only restricted handguns. However, I feel that they want to make a hostile climate for ALL firearm owners so that we'll just stop shipping firearms through them. That's okay, except I'll take ALL and I mean ALL of my business elsewhere. I specifically request other means of shipment when ordering items and I don't do business with those who insist on using UPS.
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Posted: 7/14/2001 9:31:15 PM EDT
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Ever see the ad on television where a gorilla throws around a piece of luggage? That is kids stuff compared to the way packages are treated at UPS. My boy worked there for a very breif time just out of school. He said the packages are treated so rough it is amazing that anything arrives not damaged at all. I am surprised because I buy all my computers and toys online and have it shipped UPS ground and have not had a problem yet. Only once did I ever have a package not arrive, and i order all the time.
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Posted: 7/14/2001 10:41:27 PM EDT
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They are starting to do this in my area (never did before) and it really tics me off. I use to be a packaging specialist for the DOD inclusing packaging design, test, and shipment to all parts of the world including storage in all kinds of conditions. My training was over a period of years at what was then considered the best packaging and packing facility in the world, (Aberdeen Proving Ground, MD.)
I do not believe for one mninute that UPS, USPS, Fedex, or any other shipper has even one behind the counter employ who can hold a candle to me when it comes packaging ability. And they are going to assure my package is adequately done. What arrogance! [:(!] |
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