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6/21/2017 8:25:40 PM
Posted: 6/27/2001 3:48:15 PM EDT
Now I was wondering, lets say the whole world is going to complete anarchy and you have to move quick. you live close a big city and are looking to get out but you know your heading into a war zone. What guns would you take? you automatically have a Glock 17 with a 4 30rd mags, your choice of rifles is as follows: 1) A ZM weapons Ar15 with ELCAN or AGOG sight and, also with beta C mag and one 30 rounder and as much ammo as you can carry 2) A AWM in 300 winmag from accuracy international with Leupold VARI X 30mm scope and 5 mags of premium ammo and a shit load of standard ammo. 3) A AR10 custom with Leupold VARI X 30mm scope with 2 20rd mags, one 5rd mag and three 30rd mags which do you take and why?
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:50:31 PM EDT
The ZM. It is AR pattern with a folding stock and you can carry more 5.56 than 300 winmag or 7.62.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:52:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2001 3:50:08 PM EDT by Sweep]
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:53:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sweep: None of the above. 1) Paint my face with black shoe polish. 2) Go out and start destroying stuff, e.g., throwing bricks through plate glass windows and turning over cars. 3) As I'm doing #2, slowly make my way out of the city and grdually wipe the shoe polish off my face. 4) Make my way to the nearest cache.
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I believe it was Sun Tsu who said "If you can't beat em, join em."
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 3:54:16 PM EDT
Read: [i][b]Patriots: Surviving The Coming Collapse[/b][/i] I'd grab my SA M1A but since it isn't on the list, I'd go with the AWM or AR10.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 4:09:30 PM EDT
Stay put and wait for the United Nations Forces to save us... OK, OK Choice 1, without a doubt
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 4:21:02 PM EDT
1. Repent 2. Lock and load 3. Maybe repent again
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 4:37:51 PM EDT
If it really is the apocalypse, then the world will soon end. Time to rape, pillage, and plunder. I can do all that with the Glock 17, and won't need a long gun. If I have to carry a rifle, that is less loot I can carry.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 4:38:27 PM EDT
I wouldn't be anywhere near a goddamned city.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 5:04:39 PM EDT
I'd become a cannibal. At least I wouldn't starve. Waters taken care of. [8P]
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 5:10:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Scarecrow: you automatically have a Glock 17 with a 4 30rd mags, your choice of rifles is as follows:
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Hit the reset button on the playstation and SLOWLY back away from the computer. It's a beautiful day out, so go get some sun. BTW, aren't you the guy asking how to make autosears and .223 suppressors in your basement???
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 5:21:49 PM EDT
Need to take more then one rifle. One for close combat and one for the 900yd shots. I'd say the 223 in the city and I would break down the AR-10 and place it in a backpack (And don't tell me I'm the only person in the world that has a backpack big enough to place a rifle in.)The 223. ammo I would bring enough to fill each mag up twice (Your more likely to run in to someone shooting 223. then 308 win or 300 win.) and about 250 rd of 308 win. Thats just me if it was me doing this all I have is a 12ga and soon a AR-15 and a Glock 22 and a S&W 39-2. Both pistols on me 12ga slung over shoulder AR-15 in backpack 300 rd of 00 buckshot 100 rd slugs. 500rd 223. 250 rd of 40 S&W and about 200 RD 9mm (the 200 rd of 9mm is all I got now.) And my WW2 Ka-Bar and 21 century Ka-bar knife along with my tomahawk.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 5:22:25 PM EDT
I hope it does not get to the cannibalistic stage before I leave work, I tell my boss he can eat me every day.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 5:29:35 PM EDT
Scarecrow, How much ammo with the AR-10? Since it would be used primarily as a defensive weapon (no need to waste ammo), I would probably go with number 1. The large quantity of ammo you could carry, plus the great capacity of the C-mag (100rnds.), would put this weapon in a similar tactical class as a SAW (though NOT fully automatic, lighter barrel heats up quicker, etc.). It would allow you to manipulate your weapon less during combat. Number 2 is a bolt gun, and I would take it only if given no other option, due to the fact that combat conditions would be such that it would only be useful in a sniper/countershiper role, as it is accurate and has the best penetrative capabilities of the three choices. However, the slower operation of the bolt and limited capacity would not be suitable for an all-around rifle. Number 3 and number 1 are almost tied in my book for the one weapon I would take, because you may need to shoot through semi-hard cover (auto bodies, etc.) to neutralize the threat, and it is also a semi-auto. However, I don't know how much ammo you are giving in this gun in this sit. Assuming all you had was (fully loaded) two 20's, one 5, and three 30's (40+5+90=135 rnds.), I would RATHER have choice number one, simply for the extra ammo. Also, if you are going to be fighting your way out of a metropolitan area, the longer weapon may be a little more of a hinderance in house-to-house "alley" combat (ie: how you would probably move to avoid being in the open and if all roads were blocked up). Also, weight of the rifle is probably more, and the heavier your weapon is, the more likely you will put it down when you NEED it suddenly. BTW, I wouldn't have the Glock 17, nor the 30 rnd. mags. I would rather go Beretta, but that is a personal preference (Glock doesn't fit my hand well). I would stick to 15 rnd. (17 for you) mags, because it makes it easier to carry, since it is your secondary weapon, not your primary. My .02, take it or leave it, Urban [sniper]
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 5:35:21 PM EDT
AR10 is as much ammo as you want or that you can carry.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 5:40:44 PM EDT
4) GE Minigun Then I'm heading to the DNC HQ! If anyone want's to join me, I'll bring extra ammo!
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 5:40:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tayous1: Need to take more then one rifle. One for close combat and one for the 900yd shots. I'd say the 223 in the city and I would break down the AR-10 and place it in a backpack (And don't tell me I'm the only person in the world that has a backpack big enough to place a rifle in.)The 223. ammo I would bring enough to fill each mag up twice (Your more likely to run in to someone shooting 223. then 308 win or 300 win.) and about 250 rd of 308 win. Thats just me if it was me doing this all I have is a 12ga and soon a AR-15 and a Glock 22 and a S&W 39-2. Both pistols on me 12ga slung over shoulder AR-15 in backpack 300 rd of 00 buckshot 100 rd slugs. 500rd 223. 250 rd of 40 S&W and about 200 RD 9mm (the 200 rd of 9mm is all I got now.) And my WW2 Ka-Bar and 21 century Ka-bar knife along with my tomahawk.
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No offense, but I hope you are in good shape [:D]. In this situation, I think you won't be doing many 900 yard shots. If you DO need to, then you can probably scavenge a hunting rifle from someone. Chances are, no normal person, or even military personell(with the exception of Scout-Snipers) will even SEE you, nevermind engage you, at that range (if you are doing your part NOT to be a target). You should be able to elude any attack at that range by always seeking cover and minimizing exposure. Just the way I see it, Urban (again)
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 6:11:05 PM EDT
Definately #1 but I wouldn't show myself unless my life was in danger. I'd probably be up shits creek if I had to fire more than a few rounds. Unless I had a partner or a few others to do some fire and move.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 7:04:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/27/2001 7:03:01 PM EDT by Avalon01]
Since I have already read "Nuclear War Survival Skills" at [url]http://www.oism.org/nwss/s73p904.htm[/url], I would take my trusty AR-15 with ACOG, a whole bunch of ammo and my Beretta 92FS (Glock does not fit my hand), climb into my backyard bomb shelter and wait it out. I've got enough food and water for 3 months... [<]:)]
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 7:12:51 PM EDT
Since I am too fat and lazy to run, I would place my head between my legs and kiss my a$$ good bye... oh, wait a minute? I can'tttt gettt over my belllllly. Damn.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 7:16:27 PM EDT
Its the apocalypse, What do you do?
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listen to some Doors music
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 7:21:51 PM EDT
I will take the AR-10. The last thing you want to do is draw attention to yourselves by shooting. Same thing with the Glock. A chopped 870 is much more useful. I would prefer to stay home. I have a hideout, but most of my survival gear is here.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 7:30:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 7:33:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Avalon01: Since I have already read "Nuclear War Survival Skills" at [url]http://www.oism.org/nwss/s73p904.htm[/url], I would take my trusty AR-15 with ACOG, a whole bunch of ammo and my Beretta 92FS (Glock does not fit my hand), climb into my backyard bomb shelter and wait it out. I've got enough food and water for 3 months... [<]:)]
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Yup, same here. No shelter per se, but still have large food (and AMMO [;)] ) reserve. In a suburban neighborhood, but house can be guarded well. Next house WILL have somewhat hardened shelter/cellar.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 7:44:37 PM EDT
Fists, Feet, A Rusty Razor Blade, A Broken Bottlel, The Rest Will Come, In Time.....
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 7:47:28 PM EDT
I run around and say, "I TOLD YOU SO!" to every single person I see.
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 8:45:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 9:20:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 9:24:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TUBBY: I hope it does not get to the cannibalistic stage before I leave work, I tell my boss he can eat me every day.
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That one is a RIPPER![smoke]
Link Posted: 6/27/2001 9:38:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By iNuhBaDNayburhood: SO WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING IS THIS: [b]Survival Does NOT have to be the issue of merely ONE MAN! Get your family and NEIGHBORS involved! You WON'T REGRET IT![/b] IT's a TEAMWORK issue.
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You are a wise man and I hope your message is taken to heart by the good people of this board. A good idea for survival is to take a page from the Green Beret team concept. Everyone has a specialty and a sub specialty.
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