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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:28:37 PM EDT
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my friends breed them. $4500 a pop. they sell several dozen a year.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:35:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:36:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:37:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: www-glock19-com]
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Neighbors have a golden doodle and a St Bernard Poodle mix .
They are both sweet dogs but holy shit the St Bernard one is a massive goofy block head , leaves horse sized shits all over their yard LOL. He fucking loves me for some reason and always comes visits when he escapes |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:38:39 PM EDT
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I have no advice, as ours came from a rescue group and was a work arrangement.
I do have pics, though. He's a truly ridiculous creature, but he's sweet and playful. A great pet, overall, in spite of his uncanny resemblance to a bath mat.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:41:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Rackham: Just get a Standard Poodle. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/90884/8VIrhtc8RGaFq763L_aHIw_jpeg-3211546.JPG Standard Poodle FTMFW. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:48:11 PM EDT
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Do your homework, make sure you get their lineage and genetic tests, and prepare to spend all your time giving belly rubs.
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:14:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Tmm1270]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snackle: Get one with a volhard test. https://www.appenzellers.org/uploads/6/0/7/4/60747419/volhards_puppy_aptitude_test.pdf I say this without any ill will towards you sir, but this “test” is made up bullshit. If a man/woman could pick a puppy with even 30% accuracy, for desirable traits, whatever they may be, based on this “test” of any other , he’d /she’d be filthy ass rich. It’s the equivalent of going to a teeball game watching 4 yr olds, and looking for Nolan Ryan , Eta…  Attached FileStuck in mud at the time, but you get the idea I don’t care if somebody buys dog, or gets one for free . Anybody claiming they have a test for puppies , or has some sort of dog training certification/degree/ ect , is a tool |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:21:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GlutealCleft]
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Originally Posted By DrMark: So... someone in the family wants a GoldenDoodle. They love Goldens but they had always been a non-starter due to allergies; Doodles have opened the opportunity up. Don't buy into the "doodles/poodles are hypoallergenic" hype. It's about 5% "sort of" and 95% BS. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:26:49 AM EDT
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Go SEE the parent and thats no guarantee.
My neighbor has one, and it's the most spastic dog I have ever seen. He honestly can't stand the dog. Business acquaintance bought one, said it's the dumbest dog he's owned, but it's a good family dog. Got another one (wife and daughter wanted another)...he said it's got a screw loose. Again, no guarantee seeing the parents, but I would be reasonable regarding expectations. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 9:30:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RattleCanAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GlutealCleft: Don't buy into the "doodles/poodles are hypoallergenic" hype. It's about 5% "sort of" and 95% BS. F1B 75/25 poodle. Don’t shed. Mine is a goof but extremely smart and very trainable. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 9:32:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: F1B 75/25 poodle. Don’t shed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By GlutealCleft: Don't buy into the "doodles/poodles are hypoallergenic" hype. It's about 5% "sort of" and 95% BS. F1B 75/25 poodle. Don’t shed. Neither do poodles, but you can be sure of it, unlike with doodles. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 9:39:09 AM EDT
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We got ours from these folks.
https://www.hunningtonfarms.com/ They have been doing this a long time. If you are in and around New Orleans and see a doodle, it came from that place. My buddy is on his second doodle from there. Great dogs |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 9:40:34 AM EDT
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Easy, just go to the GoldenDoodle store.
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Posted: 5/12/2024 9:45:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AA717driver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnew007: We love our F1. His dad was the standard poodle, purebred. Mom was the golden, also purebred. Almost no sheddding. Very very smart. Excitable, love able and takes discipline. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/67457/ABC742D7-63C0-43C0-8211-ACE282E89DB3-3201682.jpg This. Except mine sheds enough for the rest of the breed. Smart. Devious. You can’t put things far enough out of reach. Mine would get Kleenex or napkins from the farthest reaches of the counter. He ate an entire Donatos double pepperoni pizza I left on the stove for my son. I will look for another first gen doodle when Nugent passes.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 9:46:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: Neither do poodles, but you can be sure of it, unlike with doodles. We get it. You like nothing but AKC dogs. We love our doodles so start your own thread. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 9:52:16 AM EDT
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A Retriever and Poodle fall in love
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Posted: 5/12/2024 9:53:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2024 9:57:45 AM EDT
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The majority of vets and trainers say that labradoodles are about the worst breed you can own.
Not sure if that translates over to other doodles or not. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:06:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: We get it. You like nothing but AKC dogs. We love our doodles so start your own thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By Naamah: Neither do poodles, but you can be sure of it, unlike with doodles. We get it. You like nothing but AKC dogs. We love our doodles so start your own thread. I like responsibly, ethically bred dogs from responsible, ethical breeders. Not all AKC dogs fit that definition, and there are non-AKC dogs that do fit that definition. Doodles, by and large, do not. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:07:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: gearjammer351]
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Hide yo socks.
Nevermind - they will find them anyway. Might as well just give the critter your least favorite ones and hope that it will leave the good ones alone. 
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:10:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: I like responsibly, ethically bred dogs from responsible, ethical breeders. Not all AKC dogs fit that definition, and there are non-AKC dogs that do fit that definition. Doodles, by and large, do not. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By Naamah: Neither do poodles, but you can be sure of it, unlike with doodles. We get it. You like nothing but AKC dogs. We love our doodles so start your own thread. I like responsibly, ethically bred dogs from responsible, ethical breeders. Not all AKC dogs fit that definition, and there are non-AKC dogs that do fit that definition. Doodles, by and large, do not. How do you feel about someone breeding their dog once and then never doing it again? Basically, not a breeder, but someone that has a male and female and says what the hell, let's see what happens. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:11:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Silas: The majority of vets and trainers say that labradoodles are about the worst breed you can own. Not sure if that translates over to other doodles or not. I've never heard this, ever, but I don't run in those circles. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:19:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnew007: We love our F1. His dad was the standard poodle, purebred. Mom was the golden, also purebred. Almost no sheddding. Very very smart. Excitable, love able and takes discipline. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/67457/ABC742D7-63C0-43C0-8211-ACE282E89DB3-3201682.jpg Looks like mine  . For those who say just get a poodle, I like the wavy hair coat versus the poodles curly hair. Regarding the no shedding, it's great but somewhat offset by the time maintaining their coat.
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:27:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: How do you feel about someone breeding their dog once and then never doing it again? Basically, not a breeder, but someone that has a male and female and says what the hell, let's see what happens. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: Originally Posted By Naamah: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By Naamah: Neither do poodles, but you can be sure of it, unlike with doodles. We get it. You like nothing but AKC dogs. We love our doodles so start your own thread. I like responsibly, ethically bred dogs from responsible, ethical breeders. Not all AKC dogs fit that definition, and there are non-AKC dogs that do fit that definition. Doodles, by and large, do not. How do you feel about someone breeding their dog once and then never doing it again? Basically, not a breeder, but someone that has a male and female and says what the hell, let's see what happens. Have they done the appropriate health testing? That includes (but may not be limited to) hips, knees, elbows, hearts, eyes, and genetic disorders. Have they ensured their dogs have appropriate temperaments and working abilities? Have they ensured that their dogs are physically sound (no roach backs, straight stifles, sickle hocks, in standing canines, straight shoulders, etc.) and free from physical problems that could be passed down to puppies and cause orthopedic or dental problems? Do they provide health guarantees and offer to take puppies back if for whatever reason the new owners can’t keep them? Are they willing to keep any puppy they can’t find a home for? If the answers to those questions are all yes, I don’t care what two dogs they throw together. They’re being responsible and ethical. If the answer is no, then they’re neither responsible nor ethical and shouldn’t be breeding dogs. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:35:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: I like responsibly, ethically bred dogs from responsible, ethical breeders. Not all AKC dogs fit that definition, and there are non-AKC dogs that do fit that definition. Doodles, by and large, do not. Just stop. We understand your position. Don’t care. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:42:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LatentUser]
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whoops…
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:44:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Into_the_Void]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: Have they done the appropriate health testing? That includes (but may not be limited to) hips, knees, elbows, hearts, eyes, and genetic disorders. Have they ensured their dogs have appropriate temperaments and working abilities? Have they ensured that their dogs are physically sound (no roach backs, straight stifles, sickle hocks, in standing canines, straight shoulders, etc.) and free from physical problems that could be passed down to puppies and cause orthopedic or dental problems? Do they provide health guarantees and offer to take puppies back if for whatever reason the new owners can’t keep them? Are they willing to keep any puppy they can’t find a home for? If the answers to those questions are all yes, I don’t care what two dogs they throw together. They’re being responsible and ethical. If the answer is no, then they’re neither responsible nor ethical and shouldn’t be breeding dogs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: Originally Posted By Into_the_Void: Originally Posted By Naamah: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By Naamah: Neither do poodles, but you can be sure of it, unlike with doodles. We get it. You like nothing but AKC dogs. We love our doodles so start your own thread. I like responsibly, ethically bred dogs from responsible, ethical breeders. Not all AKC dogs fit that definition, and there are non-AKC dogs that do fit that definition. Doodles, by and large, do not. How do you feel about someone breeding their dog once and then never doing it again? Basically, not a breeder, but someone that has a male and female and says what the hell, let's see what happens. Have they done the appropriate health testing? That includes (but may not be limited to) hips, knees, elbows, hearts, eyes, and genetic disorders. Have they ensured their dogs have appropriate temperaments and working abilities? Have they ensured that their dogs are physically sound (no roach backs, straight stifles, sickle hocks, in standing canines, straight shoulders, etc.) and free from physical problems that could be passed down to puppies and cause orthopedic or dental problems? Do they provide health guarantees and offer to take puppies back if for whatever reason the new owners can’t keep them? Are they willing to keep any puppy they can’t find a home for? If the answers to those questions are all yes, I don’t care what two dogs they throw together. They’re being responsible and ethical. If the answer is no, then they’re neither responsible nor ethical and shouldn’t be breeding dogs. Here's what I know... They took both of their dogs to their vet, told them their plan and asked if it was okay. Both Mom and Dad got some sort of tests done and they got the green light. Puppies had everything done at the vet that was needed. As for everything else, the answer is yes. Honestly it was the best dog buying experience. Seeing all the pictures and videos of the parents through the whole thing, seeing where they were raised, seeing them play in the house with family, and us hanging out with the puppies and parents for a couple hours. Edit - the wife did say "never again"
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:45:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnew007: Just stop. We understand your position. Don’t care. This |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:47:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LatentUser]
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Originally Posted By Stlrain0341: Do your homework, make sure you get their lineage and genetic tests, and prepare to spend all your time giving belly rubs. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/90249/IMG_1375_jpeg-3212188.JPG All of this! Also, prepare for anything at mouth accessible level to be in their mouth at least once. We have 2, that are two years old and they are finally showing signs of not wanting to chew furniture or the walls. They are both great with kids and are mostly two of the smartest dogs I’ve owned. That said, ”highly energetic”, is an understatement. Edit: we got ours from a well regarding breeder in the area that had records and history for a not insignificant number of generations back for our F1Bs. They weren’t a puppy mill, and limited breeding pairs/times. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:49:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: How do you feel about someone breeding their dog once and then never doing it again? Basically, not a breeder, but someone that has a male and female and says what the hell, let's see what happens. That is one of the worst things that can happen… A good breeder does so many things for the dog and the standard that few people see. When you buy a dog from a reputable, well established breeder you aren’t just getting a dog, you are getting a breed standard dog and all that comes with it. This includes a long lineage of health checks, and ethical breeding that will weed out the bad traits and enhance the good. You are getting a standard, repeatable animal, with known traits and health. With backyard breeders or breeders of mutts, you get a dog that may or may not possess the traits and standards of one of the parents. The results in one litter can be all over the place. Are mutts bad? Hell no, but anyone who buys a mutt of indeterminate lineage and standards, looking for the traits of either of the parents, often at much higher cost than a well bred AKC level dog, is a fool. Throwing out F1 F1a, blah blah blah is just a way that mutt breeders have developed to continue to dupe people into buying the puppy mill dogs. People here, and in general, do get good dogs out of their Doodles. Some even admit that they shed, which we have all been told they don’t. Of course. Often, the good overlooks the bad and the smug is so thick that doodle owners refuse to see the bad. Does that make the dogs bad? No. Almost all dogs are amazing creatures and make great companions for humans. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:50:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: I've never heard this, ever, but I don't run in those circles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: Originally Posted By Silas: The majority of vets and trainers say that labradoodles are about the worst breed you can own. Not sure if that translates over to other doodles or not. I've never heard this, ever, but I don't run in those circles. They are often trainwrecks healthwise, behavior-wise, and hygiene-wise due to lack of ethical breeding and owners who don’t understand what they are doing. I know many groomers that simply won’t groom doodles unless the owners start with them when the dogs are puppies and keep up with in between groom maintenance and hair care. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:50:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: The official doodle pose https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/220444/20240317_074435_jpg-3212365.JPG  Attached FileMy girl did the same |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:52:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnew007: Just stop. We understand your position. Don’t care. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnew007: Originally Posted By Naamah: I like responsibly, ethically bred dogs from responsible, ethical breeders. Not all AKC dogs fit that definition, and there are non-AKC dogs that do fit that definition. Doodles, by and large, do not. Just stop. We understand your position. Don’t care. Ethics and responsibility are for the birds, hmm? I can think of a lot of conservatives who lament their loss, but apparently not as many as one might think. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:52:36 AM EDT
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We have 2 awesome doodles. Neither sheds. They do require daily brushing with a slicker brush or they will mat up. Our next dog will be a standard poodle.
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:56:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: Ethics and responsibility are for the birds, hmm? I can think of a lot of conservatives who lament their loss, but apparently not as many as one might think. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: Originally Posted By mnew007: Originally Posted By Naamah: I like responsibly, ethically bred dogs from responsible, ethical breeders. Not all AKC dogs fit that definition, and there are non-AKC dogs that do fit that definition. Doodles, by and large, do not. Just stop. We understand your position. Don’t care. Ethics and responsibility are for the birds, hmm? I can think of a lot of conservatives who lament their loss, but apparently not as many as one might think. You're coming across bitchy, but I get it. I live in puppy mill capital of the world. Outsiders think the Amish are wonderful, they are pieces of shit, treat animals especially dogs like shit, and do anything to fuck the "English" out of a dollar. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:59:26 AM EDT
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When we picked up our doodle we had a full binder full of genetic testing that had been performed on the mom (F1 Doodle), her parents, and the sire (Standard AKC poodle).
Our breeder did a lot of work on breeding her dogs. We paid a bit more for this vs a run of the mill doodle that are all over FB Marketplace, but we got an amazing dog in return. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:01:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Silas: The majority of vets and trainers say that labradoodles are about the worst breed you can own. Not sure if that translates over to other doodles or not. I'm sure the trainers don't want you to get a Doodle because they are too easy to train yourself. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:01:41 AM EDT
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We are the support staff and entertainment for the F1b golden doodle that owns our house. I jest, mostly.
 Attached FileShe is a truly fantastic dog that at 3 years old shows no signs of slowing down her puppy energy. She was easy to train and will lick you to death. That said, the previous comments on grooming and brushing do apply. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:03:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Naamah]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: You're coming across bitchy, but I get it. I live in puppy mill capital of the world. Outsiders think the Amish are wonderful, they are pieces of shit, treat animals especially dogs like shit, and do anything to fuck the "English" out of a dollar. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: Originally Posted By Naamah: Originally Posted By mnew007: Originally Posted By Naamah: I like responsibly, ethically bred dogs from responsible, ethical breeders. Not all AKC dogs fit that definition, and there are non-AKC dogs that do fit that definition. Doodles, by and large, do not. Just stop. We understand your position. Don’t care. Ethics and responsibility are for the birds, hmm? I can think of a lot of conservatives who lament their loss, but apparently not as many as one might think. You're coming across bitchy, but I get it. I live in puppy mill capital of the world. Outsiders think the Amish are wonderful, they are pieces of shit, treat animals especially dogs like shit, and do anything to fuck the "English" out of a dollar. To be fair, I’m being told to shut up for advocating for responsibility and ethics. And when you have many municipalities banning breeding entirely due to irresponsible breeders and overflowing animal shelters, the people breeding irresponsibly and unethically endanger the ability of responsible, ethical people to continue breeding ethically and responsibly even though they’re doing nothing to contribute to the problems. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:08:01 AM EDT
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Why wouldn't someone just buy a standard poodle and feel much more certain that the dog would be hypoallergenic?
Seems like a gamble buying a mixed breed |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:09:00 AM EDT
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Hands down one of the best dogs I've ever had. He's an F1 and about 90 pounds now. We got him from a couple who, I suspect, were going to breed him. Fortunately for us, their daughter was scared of him because he was a little bit of a jumper so he basically lived in a crate in the back yard.
 Super smart and loves almost everyone he meets. Easily the most affectionate dog we've had. For a while, his groomer would keep him all day because she loved having him around.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached FileMy son came home from college for the summer yesterday. I think the dog missed his boy.  Attached File |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:16:58 AM EDT
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Just pick one breed or the other. They are very different breeds with not much predictability in which traits will exist in the mixed breed.
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:17:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: akrado]
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I've got a golden ret. with nuts.
Bring him a hot, tight poodle bitch and you can have a litter full of them for free. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:19:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joekizanyu: If you're really allergic to Golden Doodles, give them golden showers on a regular basis. Post of the year. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:20:18 AM EDT
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I never met a golden doodle with a bad temperament. One of my good friends life long bachlor has one and he his great
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:27:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: StromBusa]
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:37:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: To be fair, I’m being told to shut up for advocating for responsibility and ethics. And when you have many municipalities banning breeding entirely due to irresponsible breeders and overflowing animal shelters, the people breeding irresponsibly and unethically endanger the ability of responsible, ethical people to continue breeding ethically and responsibly even though they’re doing nothing to contribute to the problems. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: Originally Posted By Into_the_Void: Originally Posted By Naamah: Originally Posted By mnew007: Originally Posted By Naamah: I like responsibly, ethically bred dogs from responsible, ethical breeders. Not all AKC dogs fit that definition, and there are non-AKC dogs that do fit that definition. Doodles, by and large, do not. Just stop. We understand your position. Don’t care. Ethics and responsibility are for the birds, hmm? I can think of a lot of conservatives who lament their loss, but apparently not as many as one might think. You're coming across bitchy, but I get it. I live in puppy mill capital of the world. Outsiders think the Amish are wonderful, they are pieces of shit, treat animals especially dogs like shit, and do anything to fuck the "English" out of a dollar. To be fair, I’m being told to shut up for advocating for responsibility and ethics. And when you have many municipalities banning breeding entirely due to irresponsible breeders and overflowing animal shelters, the people breeding irresponsibly and unethically endanger the ability of responsible, ethical people to continue breeding ethically and responsibly even though they’re doing nothing to contribute to the problems. Nobody is advocating for irresponsible breeding. What people are taking issue with is 1. The idea that all doodles are the product of irresponsible breeding and 2. The idea that doodles are inherently bad because of shitty owners. By all means, make sure people are aware of the time or money requirements for maintaining their coats. Make sure people are aware for the need for training. But the idea that they are all awful dogs and no trainer or groomer will touch them will just get you justifiably laughed at. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:42:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StromBusa: Mini Goldendoodle from the Amish in mid-Ohio https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/341204/IMG_4761_jpg-3212441.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/341204/IMG_4926_jpg-3212437.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/341204/IMG_5347_jpg-3212438.JPG You will never convince me that's not a schnoodle |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:21:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stlrain0341: Nobody is advocating for irresponsible breeding. What people are taking issue with is 1. The idea that all doodles are the product of irresponsible breeding and 2. The idea that doodles are inherently bad because of shitty owners. By all means, make sure people are aware of the time or money requirements for maintaining their coats. Make sure people are aware for the need for training. But the idea that they are all awful dogs and no trainer or groomer will touch them will just get you justifiably laughed at. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stlrain0341: Originally Posted By Naamah: Originally Posted By Into_the_Void: Originally Posted By Naamah: Originally Posted By mnew007: Originally Posted By Naamah: I like responsibly, ethically bred dogs from responsible, ethical breeders. Not all AKC dogs fit that definition, and there are non-AKC dogs that do fit that definition. Doodles, by and large, do not. Just stop. We understand your position. Don’t care. Ethics and responsibility are for the birds, hmm? I can think of a lot of conservatives who lament their loss, but apparently not as many as one might think. You're coming across bitchy, but I get it. I live in puppy mill capital of the world. Outsiders think the Amish are wonderful, they are pieces of shit, treat animals especially dogs like shit, and do anything to fuck the "English" out of a dollar. To be fair, I’m being told to shut up for advocating for responsibility and ethics. And when you have many municipalities banning breeding entirely due to irresponsible breeders and overflowing animal shelters, the people breeding irresponsibly and unethically endanger the ability of responsible, ethical people to continue breeding ethically and responsibly even though they’re doing nothing to contribute to the problems. Nobody is advocating for irresponsible breeding. What people are taking issue with is 1. The idea that all doodles are the product of irresponsible breeding and 2. The idea that doodles are inherently bad because of shitty owners. By all means, make sure people are aware of the time or money requirements for maintaining their coats. Make sure people are aware for the need for training. But the idea that they are all awful dogs and no trainer or groomer will touch them will just get you justifiably laughed at. Anyone buying from a breeder who does not do the necessary health testing, structural evaluations, temperament evaluations, etc. absolutely is, and furthermore sponsoring it with their money. Fact is, the vast majority of doodles come from breeders who aren’t doing any of the things necessary to be ethical or responsible. The ones who are, are very thin on the ground and will usually require travel and time on a wait list to get a pup. And quite a lot of (not all, but a lot of) doodle owners aren’t good owners. They don’t train their dogs. They don’t groom their dogs. They let them run amok and bother other people and dogs. They don’t do their research, and they don’t give a fig for how the dogs that produced their doodles are kept. Again, not all, but enough that a lot of people who work with dogs on a regular basis will tell you that doodles and their owners are more often than not a mess. Doodle owners get stereotyped just as much as pit bull owners. |
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