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Posted: 5/11/2024 2:36:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: To be fair to OP the pic has no screws in the pic. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 2:48:20 PM EDT
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I had a flag from her back in the 50s. It was pretty old back then. It belonged to my wealthy great aunt.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 2:59:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Texaspyro21: Not enough tourism to support the maintenance cost. Going to be based in Galveston now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Texaspyro21: Originally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Originally Posted By tsonda4570: This week two co workers and I went by antique archeology. I bought a souvenir pen at for her. Couldn't pass it up as it had San Jacinto on it and I know she will never go back there. Why won't she go to San Jacinto? At least they're not sending it to corpus like the original plan |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 3:59:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker: Why is this on the 1st page?  |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:02:43 PM EDT
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USS Texas is not a Dreadnought class, she is a New York class battleship.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:11:27 PM EDT
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They really need to get one of the guns working so Texas can fire a 21 gun salute on Confederate Memorial Day. The Grand Master toll level for Damn-Yankees would be achieved.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:12:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NRA_guy: What is the part I circled in red? I've never seen anything like that. It looks like a water scoop on the front end of the ship. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/62111/Capture_JPG-3211414.JPG Thats the stern of the ship. Rudder, the props have been removed. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:17:53 PM EDT
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it was great seeing it up close and personal
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:18:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:20:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Southernman077]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Palm: They really need to get one of the guns working so Texas can fire a 21 gun salute on Confederate Memorial Day. The Grand Master toll level for Damn-Yankees would be achieved. I think they had some of the 3in or 5in AA guns working IIRC. They were overhauling all of them. Some local oil drilling place was nice enough to loan space and equipment to do the work.  Into the Breach of Texas' Guns With Battleship NJ: Part 2 |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:22:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Villafuego]
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Pre-1925 modernization Texas was sleek
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:24:01 PM EDT
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Convert her to nuclear power and put her back in service. Texas is going to need battleships one day for our own navy.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:29:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 549: Can someone explain the numbers on the bow? I believe that they're an indication of how much draft the ship has in the water at a given time, but it's not clear to me why there is a repetition of single digits. More info here: https://maritimepage.com/ship-hull-markings/ |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:35:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: To be fair to OP the pic has no screws in the pic. The lack of screws through me off also. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:46:40 PM EDT
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Caterpillar drive intake, the blade directs the water into the drive more efficiently at different speeds.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:53:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pallas: Comparing length though, I think the ratio would favor the TX. I'll have to go back and find the episode where it is discussed. I could, obviously, be wrong. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pallas: Originally Posted By Agilt: They had tender tugs alongside to correct as needed, the foundation said that the slow tow speeds make control of the ship and the issue very minor. They have discussed the rudder position previously as well. It is not an economical use of funds to repair (and it's a very significant and costly repair/rebuild) considering the static use of the ship, plus the "legend" is that it's stuck at it's last commanded point, so they leave it. Iowas are wider than New Yorks, and about 5 times the power Comparing length though, I think the ratio would favor the TX. I'll have to go back and find the episode where it is discussed. I could, obviously, be wrong. Of course, being that the Texas is about 300 feet shorter. And it's not about trying for absolutes, it's all tradeoffs. TX is short and stubby comparatively, but was built to a "fleet standard" I believe, which kept most ships to a relative length/width/speed target so none of the capital ships would out of line with the others. US ships (and UK too) were also typically constrained in general width for the canal. Other countries didn't have that constraint; for example Japan and Germany. Bismarck was 118ft beam IIRC |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 5:15:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redoubt: They are "draft marks." More info here: https://maritimepage.com/ship-hull-markings/ Thanks, but what is not making sense to me is the sequence starting at the top: 3 2 1 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 9. I'm thinking there's a factor of 10 there, or perhaps due to the age & condition some numerals aren't clear. This pic of the draft marks on the Iowa are easy to interpret.  Thanks for the link. While I did know that salt water is more buoyant than fresh, I didn't know temperature made a difference and had to be accounted for. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 7:22:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavedog: USS Texas is not a Dreadnought class, she is a New York class battleship. She is last surviving Dreadnought - type battleship, actually a "Super Dreadnought" by virtue of her size and 14" guns. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 7:33:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2024 7:50:37 PM EDT
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OP, when you were younger, did you hear "wrong hole!" a lot?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 7:53:35 PM EDT
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That's the stern and rudder, the bow is on the other end of the sh
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:01:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rick-OShay: She is last surviving Dreadnought - type battleship, actually a "Super Dreadnought" by virtue of her size and 14" guns. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rick-OShay: Originally Posted By cavedog: USS Texas is not a Dreadnought class, she is a New York class battleship. She is last surviving Dreadnought - type battleship, actually a "Super Dreadnought" by virtue of her size and 14" guns. I’m aware of the signifcance of the 1906 HMS Dreadnought. The OP calls it a Dreadnought class, and while I respect those that fly the White Ensign, the USS Texas is an American New York class badass. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:13:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DnPRK: Torpedo protection blisters were added in 1926, which is why she looks so bulky under the waterline. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DnPRK: Originally Posted By chronium76: Never seen it out of water. Damn she has a thick ass! @midcap Torpedo protection blisters were added in 1926, which is why she looks so bulky under the waterline. Which I believe came in handy shortly after D-Day when they flooded starboard blisters to create a list to get more range out of their main guns. https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-history/uss-texas-flooded-on-purpose/ |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:20:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cwm1150: Convert her to nuclear power and put her back in service. Texas is going to need battleships one day for our own navy. It's covered in the history books. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Texas-Israeli_War:_1999 |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:20:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NRA_guy: What is the part I circled in red? I've never seen anything like that. It looks like a water scoop on the front end of the ship. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/62111/Capture_JPG-3211414.JPG That’s the rudder….your picture was taken from astern (the back). It’s not obvious because they removed the screws and propeller shafts when she was decommed in the 40s so TX wouldn’t try and maker her able to steam under her own power again. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:22:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bgrhammer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 549: Thanks, but what is not making sense to me is the sequence starting at the top: 3 2 1 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 9. I'm thinking there's a factor of 10 there, or perhaps due to the age & condition some numerals aren't clear. This pic of the draft marks on the Iowa are easy to interpret. https://travel.usnews.com/images/Discover_Los_AngelesBattleship-USS-Iowa-water-ship-sun-outside-museum.jpg Thanks for the link. While I did know that salt water is more buoyant than fresh, I didn't know temperature made a difference and had to be accounted for. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 549: Originally Posted By redoubt: They are "draft marks." More info here: https://maritimepage.com/ship-hull-markings/ Thanks, but what is not making sense to me is the sequence starting at the top: 3 2 1 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 9. I'm thinking there's a factor of 10 there, or perhaps due to the age & condition some numerals aren't clear. This pic of the draft marks on the Iowa are easy to interpret. https://travel.usnews.com/images/Discover_Los_AngelesBattleship-USS-Iowa-water-ship-sun-outside-museum.jpg Thanks for the link. While I did know that salt water is more buoyant than fresh, I didn't know temperature made a difference and had to be accounted for. Yeah, I'm not sure why they are missing the second digit, but If I was to Hazzard a guess that in part of their watchstanders PQS training they passed on how many numbers were on the hull in total. Count down how many you see and subtract the numbers that you do see to find your draft. I'm kind of curious about that big fin with two holes on the actual bow? All I can figure is some sort of mooring anchor? |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:34:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 549: Thanks for the link. While I did know that salt water is more buoyant than fresh, I didn't know temperature made a difference and had to be accounted for. Actually there is salt water, fresh water, and brackish which covers everything between the two. We had a float type device to measure the salinity for the times we had to load to draft. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:35:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavedog: USS Texas is not a Dreadnought class, she is a New York class battleship. Correct. New York class. Dreadnought type. I never understood why people call her the last dreadnought since the battleships built in the 1930s still have the essential features that defined the dreadnought type battleship. In fact, Texas lacks the turbine power plant that was one of the advanced features of HMS Dreadnought. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:38:40 PM EDT
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She's a beautiful old Gal. Been aboard her a couple of times and can't wait until she's available to tour again.
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KS, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:40:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TOGVET: She's a beautiful old Gal. Been aboard her a couple of times and can't wait until she's available to tour again. I got to see her the last weekend she was open. Didn’t plan it that way. I learned that she was closing after I picked that weekend to visit. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:12:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ranxerox911]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: Well, the USS Texas is well over 100 years old. And the Bulbous Bow design is still very much in use with larger ships such as Super tankers, Container ships & Cruise liners. Bigger_Hammer  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bigger_Hammer: Originally Posted By Ranxerox911: Well, it was a 50/50 shot at getting the right answer. ETA: The front end doesn't look much like a modern ship either: https://drydockmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Lead-image-scaled.jpg Well, the USS Texas is well over 100 years old. And the Bulbous Bow design is still very much in use with larger ships such as Super tankers, Container ships & Cruise liners. Bigger_Hammer Originally Posted By Deadtired: Yes it does. It has a bulbous bow to reduce the bow wave for better efficiency at certain speeds. It just doesn't have as much of an overhanging bow as modern ships. Here's a better perspective from a couple of years ago https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/396704/798B9E33-3599-4730-B73B-5B557124C1CB_jpe-3211506.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/396704/6E57FA18-D95F-42DA-BE54-5FEBE766CE70_jpe-3211507.JPG The Texas may have a fuller bow under the waterline, but a modern warship has a bow bulb that looks like this:    That last one was designed for the Reagan in the early 90's by my office mate. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:19:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: It's not obvious because they removed the screws and propeller shafts when she was decommed in the 40s so TX wouldn't try and maker her able to steam under her own power again. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:02:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bgrhammer: Yeah, I'm not sure why they are missing the second digit, but If I was to Hazzard a guess that in part of their watchstanders PQS training they passed on how many numbers were on the hull in total. Count down how many you see and subtract the numbers that you do see to find your draft. I'm kind of curious about that big fin with two holes on the actual bow? All I can figure is some sort of mooring anchor? I wondered about that too. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:02:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By piccolo: Actually there is salt water, fresh water, and brackish which covers everything between the two. We had a float type device to measure the salinity for the times we had to load to draft. Cool to know. Thanks. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:11:22 PM EDT
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That's the front rudder. It can be used to steer the boat like a monster truck with a steerable rear axle. Great for tight combat turns or crab-sailing into dock.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:16:07 PM EDT
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No such thing as a bad battleship thread in GD. She is an awesome ship. My grandfather saw her in action at North Africa, Normandy, and Okinawa. I’ve made the trip to see her many times.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:28:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Agilt]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bgrhammer: Yeah, I'm not sure why they are missing the second digit, but If I was to Hazzard a guess that in part of their watchstanders PQS training they passed on how many numbers were on the hull in total. Count down how many you see and subtract the numbers that you do see to find your draft. I'm kind of curious about that big fin with two holes on the actual bow? All I can figure is some sort of mooring anchor? The holes (I can’t remember the correct term) I believe were used for passing cables through for mine sweeping apparatus. The foundation posted about it because other had the same question but I couldn’t find the post. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:31:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sabre_kc: No such thing as a bad battleship thread in GD. She is an awesome ship. My grandfather saw her in action at North Africa, Normandy, and Okinawa. I’ve made the trip to see her many times. Probably a dumb question but how did they heat and cool military vessels 100+ years back? I was deep inside the Yorktown last summer when the power went out. It got very dark and hot and muggy very quickly. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:34:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Why won't she go to San Jacinto? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Originally Posted By tsonda4570: This week two co workers and I went by antique archeology. I bought a souvenir pen at for her. Couldn’t pass it up as it had San Jacinto on it and I know she will never go back there. Why won't she go to San Jacinto? She will reside in Galveston I believe going forward. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:41:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: Of course, being that the Texas is about 300 feet shorter. And it's not about trying for absolutes, it's all tradeoffs. TX is short and stubby comparatively, but was built to a "fleet standard" I believe, which kept most ships to a relative length/width/speed target so none of the capital ships would out of line with the others. US ships (and UK too) were also typically constrained in general width for the canal. Other countries didn't have that constraint; for example Japan and Germany. Bismarck was 118ft beam IIRC Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: Originally Posted By Pallas: Originally Posted By Agilt: They had tender tugs alongside to correct as needed, the foundation said that the slow tow speeds make control of the ship and the issue very minor. They have discussed the rudder position previously as well. It is not an economical use of funds to repair (and it's a very significant and costly repair/rebuild) considering the static use of the ship, plus the "legend" is that it's stuck at it's last commanded point, so they leave it. Iowas are wider than New Yorks, and about 5 times the power Comparing length though, I think the ratio would favor the TX. I'll have to go back and find the episode where it is discussed. I could, obviously, be wrong. Of course, being that the Texas is about 300 feet shorter. And it's not about trying for absolutes, it's all tradeoffs. TX is short and stubby comparatively, but was built to a "fleet standard" I believe, which kept most ships to a relative length/width/speed target so none of the capital ships would out of line with the others. US ships (and UK too) were also typically constrained in general width for the canal. Other countries didn't have that constraint; for example Japan and Germany. Bismarck was 118ft beam IIRC The USN “standard type “ battleships started with the Nevada class, the next class after the New Yorks. There were five classes totaling 12 ships with the same speed and turning radius and a similar scale of protection, allowing them all to operate efficiently as a group. These ships formed the core of the USN battle fleet at the start of WWII as the new fast battleships were just starting to enter service and the Wyoming and New York classes were badly outdated even by the standard of old battleships. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:44:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fssf158: The USN “standard type “ battleships started with the Nevada class, the next class after the New Yorks. There were five classes totaling 12 ships with the same speed and turning radius and a similar scale of protection, allowing them all to operate efficiently as a group. These ships formed the core of the USN battle fleet at the start of WWII as the new fast battleships were just starting to enter service and the Wyoming and New York classes were badly outdated even by the standard of old battleships. Thanks for the clarification. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:47:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: The holes (I can't remember the correct term) I believe were used for passing cables through for mine sweeping apparatus. The foundation posted about it because other had the same question but I couldn't find the post. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: Originally Posted By bgrhammer: Yeah, I'm not sure why they are missing the second digit, but If I was to Hazzard a guess that in part of their watchstanders PQS training they passed on how many numbers were on the hull in total. Count down how many you see and subtract the numbers that you do see to find your draft. I'm kind of curious about that big fin with two holes on the actual bow? All I can figure is some sort of mooring anchor? The holes (I can't remember the correct term) I believe were used for passing cables through for mine sweeping apparatus. The foundation posted about it because other had the same question but I couldn't find the post. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:02:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: The holes (I can't remember the correct term) I believe were used for passing cables through for mine sweeping apparatus. The foundation posted about it because other had the same question but I couldn't find the post. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: Originally Posted By bgrhammer: Yeah, I'm not sure why they are missing the second digit, but If I was to Hazzard a guess that in part of their watchstanders PQS training they passed on how many numbers were on the hull in total. Count down how many you see and subtract the numbers that you do see to find your draft. I'm kind of curious about that big fin with two holes on the actual bow? All I can figure is some sort of mooring anchor? The holes (I can't remember the correct term) I believe were used for passing cables through for mine sweeping apparatus. The foundation posted about it because other had the same question but I couldn't find the post.  Nick |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:05:37 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:04:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavedog: I’m aware of the signifcance of the 1906 HMS Dreadnought. The OP calls it a Dreadnought class, and while I respect those that fly the White Ensign, the USS Texas is an American New York class badass. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavedog: Originally Posted By Rick-OShay: Originally Posted By cavedog: USS Texas is not a Dreadnought class, she is a New York class battleship. She is last surviving Dreadnought - type battleship, actually a "Super Dreadnought" by virtue of her size and 14" guns. I’m aware of the signifcance of the 1906 HMS Dreadnought. The OP calls it a Dreadnought class, and while I respect those that fly the White Ensign, the USS Texas is an American New York class badass. She is a U.S. Navy New York - class battleship, but also happens to be the last surviving Dreadnought or Super-Dreadnought type battleship. Dreadnoughts had all main guns of the same caliber - 9.2 to 12 inches, a displacement greater than 18,000 pounds, and often, but not always, turbine propulsion. Improvements in armor, propulsion, gun-making, and fire control led to the evolution of the "Super Dreadnought", with a uniform main gun caliber of 13.5 inches or greater, larger hulls of 20,000 tons or more, an increasing trend to place all turrets on the center line, and somewhat less emphasis on torpedo nets and torpedo tubes. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:12:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fssf158: Correct. New York class. Dreadnought type. I never understood why people call her the last dreadnought since the battleships built in the 1930s still have the essential features that defined the dreadnought type battleship. In fact, Texas lacks the turbine power plant that was one of the advanced features of HMS Dreadnought. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fssf158: Originally Posted By cavedog: USS Texas is not a Dreadnought class, she is a New York class battleship. Correct. New York class. Dreadnought type. I never understood why people call her the last dreadnought since the battleships built in the 1930s still have the essential features that defined the dreadnought type battleship. In fact, Texas lacks the turbine power plant that was one of the advanced features of HMS Dreadnought. The vessels built in the 30's and later tend to fall under the description of "fast battleship". As such they somewhat sacrificed armor for speed and more-or less replaced the "battle cruiser" in those missions, as well as continuing to perform traditional battleship duties. For a fun trip down the rabbit hole check out "pre-dreadnought" and "semi-dreadnought" battleships. U.S. dreadnoughts and super-dreadnoughts retained triple-expansion engines longer for 3 reasons: 1. The U.S Navy was desirous of a "standard" battleship fleet that could operate together, so the increase of power needed for higher speeds was seen as a detriment to operating the fleet as a fleet, as it couldn't go faster than the slowest ship anyway. 2. The U.S. Navy felt that the slower speed of their battleships could be compensated for in combat by maneuvering - turns with smaller radii and such. 3. Range was more important to the U.S. Navy than top speed due to the need to operate across the vast Pacific ocean with a limited number of allied coaling ports. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:18:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pilatuspilot: Probably a dumb question but how did they heat and cool military vessels 100+ years back? I was deep inside the Yorktown last summer when the power went out. It got very dark and hot and muggy very quickly. Heat was not an issue - they were burning tons of coal per hour. Plenty of heat to go around and steam lines could be run to any place that needed extra heat. Ventilators and open port holes provided the ventilation/cooling. Refrigerated air conditioning tended to start coming along when more extensive electronic fits for things like radios, radars, sonars etc. started coming on-line, as vacuum tubes are hot and high voltage electronics doesn't work well in high humidity. For more on comfort aboard ship in the old days, look into the origin of the term "posh" - Port Outbound, Starboard Homeward. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:27:26 AM EDT
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 Battleship Texas: Rudder, Pintles and Gudgeons, Oh My! |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:30:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deadtired: Yes it does. It has a bulbous bow to reduce the bow wave for better efficiency at certain speeds. It just doesn't have as much of an overhanging bow as modern ships. Here's a better perspective from a couple of years ago https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/396704/798B9E33-3599-4730-B73B-5B557124C1CB_jpe-3211506.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/396704/6E57FA18-D95F-42DA-BE54-5FEBE766CE70_jpe-3211507.JPG Great pictures, shows the keel sitting on Terra Firma. I would guess that is a lot of stress grounding the hevay battlewagon. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:34:25 AM EDT
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