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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:00:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: I think people carelessly confuse bands like Damn Yankees - a literal supergroup of very talented and accomplished musicians - with whatever formulaic hair glam rock MTV video boy band was being pushed on any given day. They aren't the same. One is a masterpiece; the other is a cheap copy. I blame the record execs for just doing whatever they could to copy the excesses of the 80's in the next boy-band they could throw on a stage. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: Originally Posted By macman37: The thing is that music’s time was over. Done. I actually want to hear that DY album because their previous two were good. The opening riff on Don’t Tread on Me is one of the greatest ever. I think people carelessly confuse bands like Damn Yankees - a literal supergroup of very talented and accomplished musicians - with whatever formulaic hair glam rock MTV video boy band was being pushed on any given day. They aren't the same. One is a masterpiece; the other is a cheap copy. I blame the record execs for just doing whatever they could to copy the excesses of the 80's in the next boy-band they could throw on a stage. Completely agree: that was a huge part of the problem. The music industry intentionally packaged up *very* one-hit acts as if they were the next Damn Yankees, Skid Row, Motley Crue, LA Guns, etc., and sent them out into the world. I bought my share of albums that had one song on it and the rest in some cases were barely demo-worthy. London Quireboys, Tora Tora, Dirty White Boy, and a **host** of others, I’m looking at you… They had a producer do one great tune (“oh, it’s 7 o’clock…”, “Let’s Spend Momma’s Money”) to get on the radio and the rest were trash. And there was a sliding scale of trash in between. Sleez Beez, solid band, had enough tunes for an EP, or a good debut album with the right production nudges but corporate producers and their coke habits said “Yer done, NEXT!” With the gift of hindsight, by the time Damn Yankees came out the writing was sadly on the wall for the entire genre of music. Cinderella was finally rounding into a band I enjoyed (Gypsy Road is one of my all time favorites from the decade). I still hold a happy place for Slaughter’s first couple albums (and that first album cover, *chef’s kiss*) OH before I forget… those late days for 80s rock also brought us the Black Crowes… I’ve loved every one of their albums even when I took a break from them in the 90s and early 00’s: Southern Harmony, Amorica, Three Snakes and One Charm, etc., but they just released a new album that is absolutely worthy of their discography and your ears. If you haven’t heard Happiness Bastards yet, please take a break from the thread, and enjoy it. I know I’m a big time slappy of theirs but it’s just good, quality rock and roll. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:03:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Old people usually hate the music that follows what was popular when they were teenagers/young adults. Same as it ever was. I grew up on '60s and '70s rock. I couldn't stand the big hair of the '80s and the '90s saved music for me. STP, AIC, Soundgarden/Audioslave... |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:03:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Completely agree: that was a huge part of the problem. The music industry intentionally packaged up *very* one-hit acts as if they were the next Damn Yankees, Skid Row, Motley Crue, LA Guns, etc., and sent them out into the world. I bought my share of albums that had one song on it and the rest in some cases were barely demo-worthy. London Quireboys, Tora Tora, Dirty White Boy, and a **host** of others, I’m looking at you… They had a producer do one great tune (“oh, it’s 7 o’clock…”, “Let’s Spend Momma’s Money”) to get on the radio and the rest were trash. And there was a sliding scale of trash in between. Sleez Beez, solid band, had enough tunes for an EP, or a good debut album with the right production nudges but corporate producers and their coke habits said “Yer done, NEXT!” With the gift of hindsight, by the time Damn Yankees came out the writing was sadly on the wall for the entire genre of music. Cinderella was finally rounding into a band I enjoyed (Gypsy Road is one of my all time favorites from the decade). I still hold a happy place for Slaughter’s first couple albums (and that first album cover, *chef’s kiss*) OH before I forget… those late days for 80s rock also brought us the Black Crowes… I’ve loved every one of their albums even when I took a break from them in the 90s and early 00’s: Southern Harmony, Amorica, Three Snakes and One Charm, etc., but they just released a new album that is absolutely worthy of their discography and your ears. If you haven’t heard Happiness Bastards yet, please take a break from the thread, and enjoy it. I know I’m a big time slappy of theirs but it’s just good, quality rock and roll. Saw them quite a few times. Great on stage |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:05:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OldGlazier: I grew up on '60s and '70s rock. I couldn't stand the big hair of the '80s and the '90s saved music for me. STP, AIC, Soundgarden/Audioslave...  Budgie Crash Course In Brain Surgery  Diamond Head - Am I Evil? 
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:05:45 AM EDT
[#5]
Gen X generational divide thread. 80's vs 90's.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:06:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By P400: Gen X generational divide thread. 80's vs 90's. https://media1.tenor.com/m/Ql7S1U-bqPIAAAAC/mortal-kombat.gif Not for me. I love both.  born in ‘71.
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:09:18 AM EDT
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Yeah, not sure why people would trade the party atmosphere of 80's tunes for the grunge bands who were just perpetually depressed about being white and middle class.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:21:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Not for me. I love both. born in ‘71.I'm with you  poison & warrant do suck though 
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:32:07 AM EDT
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This place can be worse than Reddit with trying to stay on the virtue signal cool wagon.
80s music was the best ever. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:32:08 AM EDT
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I mean, I liked the hair bands and power ballads too in the 80s. But I was a middle schooler. And a girl.
I still enjoy some out of nostalgia but I don't understand the hate for music changing. Nothing is more stale and boring than our local rock station that plays, almost exclusively, 70s, 80s, and 90s rock. They don't even bill themselves as a *classic* rock station. I can summon up an imaginary picture of what the station manager must look like. There is a lot to be said about how the music of our teens imprints on us but the way some people get frozen in time and their taste never evolves is weird to me. "Coach should have put me in the game, man. Could've won state." |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:48:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OnlineAllTheTime: I mean, I liked the hair bands and power ballads too in the 80s. But I was a middle schooler. And a girl. I still enjoy some out of nostalgia but I don't understand the hate for music changing. Nothing is more stale and boring than our local rock station that plays, almost exclusively, 70s, 80s, and 90s rock. They don't even bill themselves as a *classic* rock station. I can summon up an imaginary picture of what the station manager must look like. There is a lot to be said about how the music of our teens imprints on us but the way some people get frozen in time and their taste never evolves is weird to me. "Coach should have put me in the game, man. Could've won state." I should clarify I wasn't talking about OP or even anyone in this thread. Just a commentary on experiences I've had elsewhere with conversations like this. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:51:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Media_Noche: People were ready for a change. That’s just how it goes. And yet somehow rap can have legs for 40 years. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:59:58 AM EDT
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Rock n roll died in the nineties. It's been mostly horrible ever sense.
But then again, literally everything has been down hill since the eighties. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:01:47 AM EDT
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Who do we blame for trading 70's rock for 80's hair metal?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:03:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashHole: Rock n roll died in the nineties. It's been mostly horrible ever since. But then again, literally everything has been down hill since the eighties. At some point in there, people stopped being musicians and became marketing firms. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:12:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lungbuster: Big hair hit its expiration date. Good trade. Gen X meal guy here....probably correct.  But the angsty bullshit that followed never appealed to me. Millennial crybaby bullshit. Mostly. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:14:01 AM EDT
[#17]
The only good song Pearl Jam ever released was Evenflo.
There aren't many "grunge" acts I can stand to listen to. A few songs here and there are OK...but the music that came out of Seattle is no better than the political ideas that came out of it. One interesting phenomenon is seeing how many of the 80's debauchery metal band figures have become hardcore Christians or at the very least pushing back against wokeism bullshit. Blackie Lawless is quoting scripture in songs...the dude who wrote Harder, Faster is warning about the rise of AntiChrist. It's fuckin' wild. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:14:26 AM EDT
[#18]
I like 80's rock and I like grunge too.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:15:14 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: At some point in there, people stopped being musicians and became marketing firms. The music business itself transformed, not so much the tastes. We are reaping the fruits of that transformation with mumble trap autotuned bullshit or fucking Taylor Swift being your only options. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:17:11 AM EDT
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At least we got this
 MISHEARD LYRICS - Pearl Jam - Yellow Ledbetter |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:17:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Boomer]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sean124: Appetite For Destruction was the beginning of the end for glam rock. That’s the thing, rock was already changing and evolving away from the hair bands. Even the hair bands themselves were losing the more silly aspects of the genre. Why all of a sudden so many people started identifying with a bunch of mopey , angsty heroin junky losers mumbling and screaming about their pain and rage still mystifies me. Even Bill Clinton tapped into it with his “I feel your pain” remark that became a central theme in his winning 1992 campaign. What pain were my fellow young adults experiencing as we entered the 1990s? How did we go from the future being so bright that we had to wear shades to feeling stupid and contagious?Musically, it felt like a party had been going on when someone turned out the lights and told everyone to get out. Seems like that is also when the era of victim mentalities really took off. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:18:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: I loved and miss them both. Love them to this day, honestly. 80s glam rock was fun and big, like the 80s. 90s grunge was the soundtrack of me becoming a man and building a life and career. both wonderful, both valid. That's crazy post.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:21:40 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HRoark87: 80's rock is responsible for the degradation of society. If 80's rock didn't suck, Grunge would've never taken over. If Grunge had never taken over, gangster rap would've never become mainstream. I hope the leather pants and hairspray was worth it. 100% |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:22:36 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By P400: Gen X generational divide thread. 80's vs 90's. Some good music came out of the 90's no doubt, but the 90's doesn't even come close to the 80's. Actually, I could spend the rest of my life just listening to music from the ten years between '76 and '85. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:32:25 AM EDT
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I miss 'em both. Back then rock was still mainstream and any given radio station had them on. Now not so much. Sure there are some good bands out there still, but they get zero airtime. Other than "classic rock" stations. Very few outside of us old farts really care about rock anymore. In any form. It's all pop/rap/"country" shit that only females and soy boys like.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:34:37 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Not for me. I love both. born in ‘71.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By P400: Gen X generational divide thread. 80's vs 90's. https://media1.tenor.com/m/Ql7S1U-bqPIAAAAC/mortal-kombat.gif Not for me. I love both. born in ‘71.^^^^ Early eighties metal was tits. Judas Priest/Ozzy/Quiet Riot. Early grunge was also good, and for a few years I wore a lot of flannel shirts. By the mid nineties though, rock really started to die.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:35:57 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imminent_Decay: Yeah, not sure why people would trade the party atmosphere of 80's tunes for the grunge bands who were just perpetually depressed about being white and middle class. It was the start of the big push to glorify minorities and their "culture". Led us to where we are now. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:41:38 AM EDT
[#28]
Good music is good music; regardless of era or labels.
Those who pigeonhole music, say more about themselves than the music. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:45:07 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Media_Noche: People were ready for a change. That’s just how it goes. And there is some fantastic "Grunge" music as well. The 90s were the last great decade for music. In the 80s there are a lot of great songs, but once people figured out the "Formula" to produce hair metal, a bunch of generic cookie-cutter music followed. Born in the early 80s, and listen to both decades of music. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:47:12 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By salsa: I liked DY, but grunge generally sucked and that era sucked for music. But every decade has a crap list of music and some good shines through. The 90s are full of fantastic music. It was perhaps the height of musical creativity before online music and streaming started to ruin everything. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:50:27 AM EDT
[#31]
Originally Posted By arowneragain: At least this made it to air before the world went ga-ga for grunge: Warrant rocks, but that song sucks. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:51:59 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imminent_Decay: Yeah, not sure why people would trade the party atmosphere of 80's tunes for the grunge bands who were just perpetually depressed about being white and middle class. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:53:48 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JellyBelly: Metal bands turned into the chick flick of music by cranking out shitty power ballads instead of actual metal. The quality of the new metal bands was rapidly declining by the time Grunge showed up. I hated Pearl Jam's sound from the first time I heard them, though. The singing was "mumbling at the top of his lungs" and I always suspected the fanaticism about them was an astroturf kind of movement artificially hyped up by people within the music industry. Substitute the minions for Eddie Vedder and no one would notice. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:54:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tsg68]
[#34]
Yeah, hair metal was the anomaly, sorry not sorry.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:00:11 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cayman_shen: Lol Yellow Ledbetter is a masterpiece. What are you on about sir?! It's a rip-off of Jimi Hendrix. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:02:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KA3B]
[#36]
Quote HistoryGrunge had long hair, instead of hairspray they didn't wash it for years on end. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:05:30 AM EDT
[#37]
Don't like Stern, but his audio crew is top notch.
 Pearl Jam “Yellow Ledbetter” Live on the Stern Show |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:10:04 AM EDT
[#38]
 Soundgarden - Fell On Black Days |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:10:50 AM EDT
[#39]
It's part of the degradation of culture and humanity. Just one tiny sliver of Left's game plan.
You can't have anything nice. That is the business model. Civilization must be destroyed, humans must become extinct, that is Progressive, Liberal, Democrat, Socialist, Green, etc. See Democrat's VHEMT https://www.vhemt.org/ |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:16:45 AM EDT
[#40]
This about says it all.
 Steel Dragon - We All Die Young [Soundtrack Theme Rock Star - Unofficial-Fan] |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:20:42 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: The music business itself transformed, not so much the tastes. We are reaping the fruits of that transformation with mumble trap autotuned bullshit or fucking Taylor Swift being your only options. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: At some point in there, people stopped being musicians and became marketing firms. The music business itself transformed, not so much the tastes. We are reaping the fruits of that transformation with mumble trap autotuned bullshit or fucking Taylor Swift being your only options. Of course it's a 1,000 cap venue, so we're not talking about huge acts, but the point is that if you're not getting out and seeing live music you might be prone to think that you have no options. The music business is always transforming itself. Blaming the industry for not producing music you like is lazy. It's being produced, you just have to look for it now and not expect for it to be spoon fed to you through traditional media outlets. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:30:33 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By psychotr: And yet somehow rap can have legs for 40 years. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By psychotr: Originally Posted By Media_Noche: People were ready for a change. That's just how it goes. And yet somehow rap can have legs for 40 years. Rap changed just as much. Rap today sounds very different than rap in 1984. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:31:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: thawntex]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeSSS: It's part of the degradation of culture and humanity. Just one tiny sliver of Left's game plan. You can't have anything nice. That is the business model. Civilization must be destroyed, humans must become extinct, that is Progressive, Liberal, Democrat, Socialist, Green, etc. See Democrat's VHEMT https://www.vhemt.org/ In a way, grunge attempted to and even succeeded in correcting that. Songs like Sex Type Thing and Big Dumb Sex were reactions to the way women were objectified by hair bands. Grunge was about being real, and people responded to that. They were over the Aqua Net and lipstick and generally pretentious 80s rocker shit. Regarding today's music, with some notable exceptions, a lot of what I hear is much cleaner than what I saw as a kid when MTV first started. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:35:28 AM EDT
[#44]
Good trade.
...the pawn shops were packed like a backstage party, Hanging full of pointy ugly cheap guitars |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:35:57 AM EDT
[#45]
80s glam pop rock had gotten so gaudy.
The cleansing needed to happen. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:36:27 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: One interesting phenomenon is seeing how many of the 80's debauchery metal band figures have become hardcore Christians or at the very least pushing back against wokeism bullshit. Blackie Lawless is quoting scripture in songs...the dude who wrote Harder, Faster is warning about the rise of AntiChrist. It's fuckin' wild. Hearing Lou Gramm wail about wanting to know what love is, then hearing he became a believer, hit me in a very satisfying way. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:40:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: The thing is that music’s time was over. Done. I actually want to hear that DY album because their previous two were good. The opening riff on Don’t Tread on Me is one of the greatest ever. I saw a documentary on Damn Yankees 20 years ago on A&E. It was...interesting. One of the few true "super groups" ever and their music showed. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:42:26 AM EDT
[#48]
 KIX - Get It While It's Hot |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:48:15 AM EDT
[#49]
I'm a '90s kid and quite liked that trade, imo, but I can appreciate the '80s rock too.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:51:05 AM EDT
[#50]
I graduated high school in the 1980s. I don't understand people constantly pining over shit 80s music.
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