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Originally Posted By Scoobysmak: Since the documents were mishandled, show us where you KNOW for sure they didn't add the documents they claimed they were looking in that clusterfuck? It has to be 100% solid proof, no questions. View Quote You're supporting gotigers claim. Burden of proof is on you. |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Cooperation doesn’t change the crime. You shouldn’t be able to just Willy Nilly enforce the law when you want. If they both committed the crime they both need to answer. Selective prosecution is bullshit. View Quote The "cooperation" narrative is made up. We don't know what really happened with Biden's documents or Trump's. About the only clear thing is that Biden was violating the law for a very long time. |
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Originally Posted By Kraquine: There weren't airplanes when the Constitution was written either but common sense dictates the FAA create guidlines for their safe handling. Just thinking it's safe to fly doesn't make it so. View Quote This is a good indication of the contempt you leftist have for the Constitution. |
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Originally Posted By Kraquine: LOL, that conflicts with Trump telling Hannity he declassified the documents. Trump declassified documents he didn't know he had. LOL. That's Olympic level mental gymnastics right there. View Quote More fake narrative. Trump could declass documents then the government could send him more documents later. What actually happened was not as simple as we once were led to believe. It's like the fake "Joe cooperated" nonsense. |
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Originally Posted By Kraquine: You're supporting gotigers claim. Burden of proof is on you. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kraquine: Originally Posted By Scoobysmak: Since the documents were mishandled, show us where you KNOW for sure they didn't add the documents they claimed they were looking in that clusterfuck? It has to be 100% solid proof, no questions. You're supporting gotigers claim. Burden of proof is on you. Oh that's right you don't live in the US and wouldn't understand innocent until proven guilty, my mistake thinking you might know what that means. |
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RIP CeCe and FCSD you will be missed
Mike_314..If there was communism in the desert, there would soon be a shortage of sand. 87% shit posting - 13% I am caught in a rule change RSM 20/21 RSL 4522: we will shit on your pillow.. (3613 note) |
Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Cooperation doesn’t change the crime. You shouldn’t be able to just Willy Nilly enforce the law when you want. If they both committed the crime they both need to answer. Selective prosecution is bullshit. View Quote In all fairness though no one would buy that Pedo Joe declassified anything by thinking about it. |
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Originally Posted By WI_Bill: In a not-banana-republic, every Democrat who handled classified documents would get the same treatment by prosecutors. Let's say they had some in a garage, for example. View Quote Like during Clinton's first administration when dozens of classified FBI files on the Congress disappeared for months? Then they were discovered in a stack in the White House literally with HRC's fingerprints on them. NOTHING HAPPENED. |
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Celebrating the remains of the Second Amendment one Fine Firearm at a Time. It was better here before.
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Celebrating the remains of the Second Amendment one Fine Firearm at a Time. It was better here before.
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Man who put head in sand get ass kicked.
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Originally Posted By CMiller: The boxes were packed by Trump's people, who also arranged the transportation. GSA let them use their space for storage and paid for transport. It's unclear if these are the same boxes that had the classified documents. All of this was covered in the media in 2022, they have 100 pages of emails between GSA and Trump's team. @ceetee https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/10/politics/trump-documents-shipping-gsa/index.html https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-05/trump-says-feds-packed-top-secret-mar-a-lago-documents-foia-says-they-didn-t https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/30/trump-documents-case-rumor-false/ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By ceetee: There's a huge difference between, "Zomg! Trump had classified documents and refused to return them!" and "Biden's GSA had a couple dozen boxes of random crap delivered to Mar a Lago, and Trump's team didn't even know what was in them or why they were sent in the first place." The boxes were packed by Trump's people, who also arranged the transportation. GSA let them use their space for storage and paid for transport. It's unclear if these are the same boxes that had the classified documents. All of this was covered in the media in 2022, they have 100 pages of emails between GSA and Trump's team. @ceetee https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/10/politics/trump-documents-shipping-gsa/index.html https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-05/trump-says-feds-packed-top-secret-mar-a-lago-documents-foia-says-they-didn-t https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/30/trump-documents-case-rumor-false/ Since we know with 100% certainty that the investigators fucked with the boxes and their contents, and fucked up the documentation of said fuckery, we will never know the truth about which boxes contained which documents, how much of this whole thing is real, and how much is an illegally cooked up conspiracy to affect the 2024 Presidential election. |
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Don't piss off old people. The older we get, the less "Life in Prison" is a deterrent.
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Originally Posted By Kraquine: In all fairness though no one would buy that Pedo Joe declassified anything by thinking about it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kraquine: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Cooperation doesn’t change the crime. You shouldn’t be able to just Willy Nilly enforce the law when you want. If they both committed the crime they both need to answer. Selective prosecution is bullshit. In all fairness though no one would buy that Pedo Joe declassified anything by thinking about it. I would say that, even with his addled mind, he could declassify anything in any way he wanted. Pin this for posterity; If Joe Biden is not impeached in the House and convicted in the Senate he cannot be held accountable for the treason and bribery that he has participated in while President of the United States. Thanks spineless and feckless Quislings also known as Republicans. |
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I am not that bright but I live in a world of idiots.
I have given up on the serenity prayer. Now I pray for strength to kill enough of these people that they'll leave our children alone. |
Originally Posted By Lone_Eagle: Careful with that broad brush. You seem to have some of it on yourself from it. I caught the sarcasm. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Lone_Eagle: Originally Posted By LordsOfDiscipline: Sarcasm for all of The_Underscores. Careful with that broad brush. You seem to have some of it on yourself from it. I caught the sarcasm. Attached File |
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I am not that bright but I live in a world of idiots.
I have given up on the serenity prayer. Now I pray for strength to kill enough of these people that they'll leave our children alone. |
Originally Posted By PeepEater: My understanding is that nobody cared at all until the Biden DOJ directed them to care. This is one of those things where every administration for 100 years has probably broken the letter of the law but it was no big deal if a president took a technically classified personal memo from a foreign leader or somesuch home with him until the DOJ became a political weapon. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PeepEater: Originally Posted By Gspointer: Sure. I mean this is a really routine case, it happens every time an administration changes. If it were a unique, substantial case that would be of interest to the higher ups in public, or even the public, they would be much more careful with the evidence handling. I’m sure they weren’t worried as the attorneys at this level are always new and not very good at this sort of thing. My understanding is that nobody cared at all until the Biden DOJ directed them to care. This is one of those things where every administration for 100 years has probably broken the letter of the law but it was no big deal if a president took a technically classified personal memo from a foreign leader or somesuch home with him until the DOJ became a political weapon. I was under the impression that the president has sole discretion on what is or isn't classified and can declassify on a whim. There was no requirement for him to tell any one or change the marking if he decided it. It sounds like you are saying that isnt the case and there is law stating that actual process. What law is that and do you have a link or something with the specific verbiage. Not arguing, just curious if i missunderstand. |
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“I was always willing to be reasonable until I had to be unreasonable. Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things.”
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Originally Posted By delemorte: I was under the impression that the president has sole discretion on what is or isn't classified and can declassify on a whim. There was no requirement for him to tell any one or change the marking if he decided it. It sounds like you are saying that isnt the case and there is law stating that actual process. What law is that and do you have a link or something with the specific verbiage. Not arguing, just curious if i missunderstand. View Quote Fact check explores presidential authority to declassify A real simple example is say SOP is to follow the example of a POTUS declassifying a document by thinking about it. Say this document has hundreds of copies and every ship in the Navy has a couple. During a security inspection a copy of the document comes up missing. How would the CO of that ship know not to hammer the custodian with the UCMJ? |
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Originally Posted By DonS: More fake narrative. Trump could declass documents then the government could send him more documents later. What actually happened was not as simple as we once were led to believe. It's like the fake "Joe cooperated" nonsense. View Quote Joey cooperated when the team who was getting ready to frame Trump figured they better tie up any loose ends . He STOLE docs from SCIFs for years so why wasn't it presented exactly like that ? He returned the docs he wasn't supposed to have - ever , up until when he became POTUS . Which is interesting as in why did he return them when he could legally possess them , optics ? |
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Fanni Willis trying to prosecute a former president and everything she did behind the scenes stinks to high heaven.
Alvin Bragg is trying to prosecute a former president by using covid and a federal law to extend the limitations to bring the case after originally passing on the case. He is using a Biden DOJ official to prosecute it. It all stinks to high heaven. Letcia James campaigned by calling President Trump an "illegitimate president" which all stems from Hillary Clinton's lies picked up by our corrupt FBI/DOJ/Intel. She vowed to find his money, his crimes, and get him. She used a law that many legal eagles said had not been used before. It all stinks to high heaven. Jack Smith going after a former president which has never been done before in such a manner. The corrupt DOJ/FBI that let HRC off despite the fact she committed numerous felonies for mishandling classified documents, destroying evidence, and giving her lawyers and IT guy access to classified documents despite them not having the required security clearances. The DOJ/FBI lied to the American people and the FISA court, a lawyer fabricated evidence to a FISA court to get a warrant. They failed to follow DOJ/FBI policy, they failed to inform congress as required by law. The Biden FBI/DOJ failed to indict President Biden despite the fact he stole classified documents from a SCIF as a senator. They failed to indict and prosecute him despite keeping and mishandling classified documents. Many legal eagles have said Jack Smith legally was not appointed to his SC position legally, other say he legally cannot be a special prosecutor because he was not independent of DOJ. The same Jack Smith who has been overturned and admonished by courts. Now the same Jack Smith who is in uncharted territory is not dotting his i's and crossing his t's with how it handled evidence and the American people are supposed to trust this DOJ/FBI, these prosecutors, some of the judges. How does former President Trump, candidate Trump get a fair trail with a jury of his peers when three of the four cases are being brought in democratic strongholds. No matter what anyone says this is a political trial at its core. Imagine being juror with the power to jail a political foe which will alter an election, and thus the history of a nation. |
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View Quote Well, that is dumb The Pres 100% has absolute inherent auto declassification authority. Old precedent. When is the commander-in-chief, who is higher than him to tell him otherwise? LOLOLOLOLOL. Dumb ass argument. Don't listen to bureaucrats telling you that the Pres doesn't. |
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I'm not always a dick, just kidding, go fuck yourself.
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I'm not always a dick, just kidding, go fuck yourself.
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No one knows when or if he declassified them. The pres doesnt have to tell anyone or ask permisssion to declassify.
No other official at this level has ever been prosecuted for this. |
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I'm not always a dick, just kidding, go fuck yourself.
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Originally Posted By delemorte: I was under the impression that the president has sole discretion on what is or isn't classified and can declassify on a whim. There was no requirement for him to tell any one or change the marking if he decided it. It sounds like you are saying that isnt the case and there is law stating that actual process. What law is that and do you have a link or something with the specific verbiage. Not arguing, just curious if i missunderstand. View Quote The specific instance in the indictment of him stating to a group of people that he did not declass the classified documents he was showing them is a problem. As already discussed the classified document has never been entered into evidence so when asked about it under oath Trump could possibly just say it was a blank piece of paper and he was misrepresenting what it was to bolster his self image. |
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Lead, follow, or get the flock out of the way
SC, USA
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Originally Posted By Blackbeard28: The prosecution lied, they admitted they lied, and yet continue the course. Sure we lied, fuck you, what are you going to do about it. No fear of repercussion. View Quote Right? These are the same people who stole an election in plain sight and said "fuck you... what are you going to do about it?" Fuckers. |
NorCal_LEO call sign: Armour
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Sounds like a treasonous act, do they hang traitors or firing squad?
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Originally Posted By Kraquine: There weren't airplanes when the Constitution was written either but common sense dictates the FAA create guidlines for their safe handling. Just thinking it's safe to fly doesn't make it so. View Quote Interstate commerce regulation is a federal power. However, private aircraft should be beyond government regulation. |
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Originally Posted By Kraquine: Fact check explores presidential authority to declassify A real simple example is say SOP is to follow the example of a POTUS declassifying a document by thinking about it. Say this document has hundreds of copies and every ship in the Navy has a couple. During a security inspection a copy of the document comes up missing. How would the CO of that ship know not to hammer the custodian with the UCMJ? View Quote For anyone foolish enough to think there is a chance that was a quality link to a law, regulation that specifies a procedure the president must follow, you will be disappointed. It’s an ABA link. |
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Originally Posted By Gspointer: For anyone foolish enough to think there is a chance that was a quality link to a law, regulation that specifies a procedure the president must follow, you will be disappointed. It’s an ABA link. View Quote Prosecution based on an unproven legal theory with a broken chain of evidence custody sounds more like an ATF tech branch gig. |
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A socialist may indeed be academically superior.
And yet, they are most certainly emotionally retarded. Public education is the opiate of the masses. |
Loss of documents my ass what did they add.
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Originally Posted By myitinaw: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65625/GIF_PirateFlag-2827798.gif View Quote It is passed due. |
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I am not that bright but I live in a world of idiots.
I have given up on the serenity prayer. Now I pray for strength to kill enough of these people that they'll leave our children alone. |
Originally Posted By PeepEater: The specific instance in the indictment of him stating to a group of people that he did not declass the classified documents he was showing them is a problem. As already discussed the classified document has never been entered into evidence so when asked about it under oath Trump could possibly just say it was a blank piece of paper and he was misrepresenting what it was to bolster his self image. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PeepEater: Originally Posted By delemorte: I was under the impression that the president has sole discretion on what is or isn't classified and can declassify on a whim. There was no requirement for him to tell any one or change the marking if he decided it. It sounds like you are saying that isnt the case and there is law stating that actual process. What law is that and do you have a link or something with the specific verbiage. Not arguing, just curious if i missunderstand. The specific instance in the indictment of him stating to a group of people that he did not declass the classified documents he was showing them is a problem. As already discussed the classified document has never been entered into evidence so when asked about it under oath Trump could possibly just say it was a blank piece of paper and he was misrepresenting what it was to bolster his self image. so lets say it aint blank. Lets say its above top secret proof of aliens and the next gen nuclear weapons in our arsenal. He still had the right to declassify them with out asking permission. So, you said My understanding is that nobody cared at all until the Biden DOJ directed them to care. This is one of those things where every administration for 100 years has probably broken the letter of the law but it was no big deal if a president took a technically classified personal memo from a foreign leader or somesuch home with him until the DOJ became a political weapon. So what law? |
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“I was always willing to be reasonable until I had to be unreasonable. Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things.”
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Originally Posted By delemorte: so lets say it aint blank. Lets say its above top secret proof of aliens and the next gen nuclear weapons in our arsenal. He still had the right to declassify them with out asking permission. So, you said So what law? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By delemorte: Originally Posted By PeepEater: Originally Posted By delemorte: I was under the impression that the president has sole discretion on what is or isn't classified and can declassify on a whim. There was no requirement for him to tell any one or change the marking if he decided it. It sounds like you are saying that isnt the case and there is law stating that actual process. What law is that and do you have a link or something with the specific verbiage. Not arguing, just curious if i missunderstand. The specific instance in the indictment of him stating to a group of people that he did not declass the classified documents he was showing them is a problem. As already discussed the classified document has never been entered into evidence so when asked about it under oath Trump could possibly just say it was a blank piece of paper and he was misrepresenting what it was to bolster his self image. so lets say it aint blank. Lets say its above top secret proof of aliens and the next gen nuclear weapons in our arsenal. He still had the right to declassify them with out asking permission. So, you said My understanding is that nobody cared at all until the Biden DOJ directed them to care. This is one of those things where every administration for 100 years has probably broken the letter of the law but it was no big deal if a president took a technically classified personal memo from a foreign leader or somesuch home with him until the DOJ became a political weapon. So what law? The guidelines are EO 13526. First one covering this topic was written by Truman in '51. For more light reading ......... Procedures for Declassifying Intelligence of Public Interest |
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Originally Posted By Kraquine: The guidelines are EO 13526. First one covering this topic was written by Truman in '51. For more light reading ......... Procedures for Declassifying Intelligence of Public Interest View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Kraquine: The guidelines are EO 13526. First one covering this topic was written by Truman in '51. For more light reading ......... Procedures for Declassifying Intelligence of Public Interest View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kraquine: Originally Posted By delemorte: Originally Posted By PeepEater: Originally Posted By delemorte: I was under the impression that the president has sole discretion on what is or isn't classified and can declassify on a whim. There was no requirement for him to tell any one or change the marking if he decided it. It sounds like you are saying that isnt the case and there is law stating that actual process. What law is that and do you have a link or something with the specific verbiage. Not arguing, just curious if i missunderstand. The specific instance in the indictment of him stating to a group of people that he did not declass the classified documents he was showing them is a problem. As already discussed the classified document has never been entered into evidence so when asked about it under oath Trump could possibly just say it was a blank piece of paper and he was misrepresenting what it was to bolster his self image. so lets say it aint blank. Lets say its above top secret proof of aliens and the next gen nuclear weapons in our arsenal. He still had the right to declassify them with out asking permission. So, you said My understanding is that nobody cared at all until the Biden DOJ directed them to care. This is one of those things where every administration for 100 years has probably broken the letter of the law but it was no big deal if a president took a technically classified personal memo from a foreign leader or somesuch home with him until the DOJ became a political weapon. So what law? The guidelines are EO 13526. First one covering this topic was written by Truman in '51. For more light reading ......... Procedures for Declassifying Intelligence of Public Interest Executive Orders are not laws. I'm Just a Bill (Schoolhouse Rock!) |
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I am not that bright but I live in a world of idiots.
I have given up on the serenity prayer. Now I pray for strength to kill enough of these people that they'll leave our children alone. |
Originally Posted By Kraquine: There weren't airplanes when the Constitution was written either but common sense dictates the FAA create guidlines for their safe handling. Just thinking it's safe to fly doesn't make it so. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kraquine: Originally Posted By Prezboi44: I hope he didn't cooperate. As president, HE had authority OVER classification. You see, all those worthless federal bureaucracies and departments did not exist when the Constitution was written. However, what word can you find in the Constitution? President. You don't cooperate with people that are wrong. There weren't airplanes when the Constitution was written either but common sense dictates the FAA create guidlines for their safe handling. Just thinking it's safe to fly doesn't make it so. Where would we be without the wise agents of the federal government to keep us safe? |
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dupe
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…and nothing will happen
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" Say when..."
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https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/05/ric_grenell_exposes_jack_smith_as_the_king_of_sleaze.html
Ric Grenell might shed some light on him. |
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Originally Posted By Kraquine: You're supporting gotigers claim. Burden of proof is on you. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kraquine: Originally Posted By Scoobysmak: Since the documents were mishandled, show us where you KNOW for sure they didn't add the documents they claimed they were looking in that clusterfuck? It has to be 100% solid proof, no questions. You're supporting gotigers claim. Burden of proof is on you. Burden of proof is on the FBI that the documents are as discovered. |
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Originally Posted By Kraquine: In all fairness though no one would buy that Pedo Joe declassified anything by thinking about it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kraquine: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Cooperation doesn’t change the crime. You shouldn’t be able to just Willy Nilly enforce the law when you want. If they both committed the crime they both need to answer. Selective prosecution is bullshit. In all fairness though no one would buy that Pedo Joe declassified anything by thinking about it. Especially since the docs that Joe had were from a time when he didn't have authority to remove let alone declassify. |
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Originally Posted By Imzadi: Burden of proof is on the FBI that the documents are as discovered. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Imzadi: Originally Posted By Kraquine: Originally Posted By Scoobysmak: Since the documents were mishandled, show us where you KNOW for sure they didn't add the documents they claimed they were looking in that clusterfuck? It has to be 100% solid proof, no questions. You're supporting gotigers claim. Burden of proof is on you. Burden of proof is on the FBI that the documents are as discovered. You are correct in the context of the case itself but it's the burden of the poster making the claim in the thread. |
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