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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:11:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By engineer61: China has a few carriers that can move, but many more man-made islands all over the China Sea that they have built airfields on and equipped with multiple kinds of missile launchers. It will be very difficult for the U.S. to support Taiwan when China finally invades simply because Taiwan is very close to the China coast, and anything we send to help will have to go through the China Sea. To do that we will need to wipeout these island bases first, which is going to take time. Easiest and quickest way to take out these bases are with non-nuclear ballistic missiles, but will China go nuclear if they see a ballistic missile aimed at them? Is the U.S. military willing to take that risk? Taiwan will hold out for several months at least, it is a very mountainous island that the Taiwanese have been busy fortifying for 75 years so it isn't going to be taken easily. Will the U.S. be able to take out the Chinese man-made island defenses fast enough to get help to Taiwan is the key question that no one knows the answer. If Taiwan wants to remain independent they need to test a few nuclear weapons out in the Pacific. Barring that their forced reunification is a certainty. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:23:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Pallas]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: The Chinese don't have to be the best to win against us in the SCS. They just need to be the best on that day, in that place. And having a lot more ass in theater is a big deal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: The Chinese don't have to be the best to win against us in the SCS. They just need to be the best on that day, in that place. And having a lot more ass in theater is a big deal. Yep, and it's their backyard. People toss around ship and plane numbers, but PRC can have theirs in their backyard, the US is spread out all over the World. So, unless we want to pull everything out of the other parts, we are drastically outnumbered, and the "safe" ports and logistics are further away. I'd also throw out that their labor and building costs are likely a lot less than our, they are probably getting "more" for their money. I have no doubt the US could beat them right now, depending on if the US would take the gloves off or just play "nice guy, we don't want this to spread, etc." *No, I'm not talking about nuking the 3 Gorges." Originally Posted By sh768: Yeah, but it's all made in China So are iPhones. PRC is capable of great QC if one wants to pay for it. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:34:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Timbo: Paper tiger (probably) |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:38:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CreativeBall: How many Holosuns can you get for a single Trijicon? They're getting many more "good enough" pieces of hardware out of each dollar they spend. Dollar for dollar they are putting a lot more into the ammo fort than we are. |
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CAN
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:39:46 PM EDT
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The U.S. does all their R&D for them. They just steal it.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:46:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Like_Button: They’re also not telling their sons to cut off their dicks and talk with a lisp.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:51:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DarkLordVader]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: Ski jump aircraft carriers scream "we're second-rate!" Modern carriers will be vulnerable to missiles that cost 1/1000 - 1/10000 of the carrier. Their third carrier is not a ski jump. Number 4 is in the works.  New footage of China’s next-generation aircraft carrier |
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ON, CAN
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:51:29 PM EDT
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Dollar for dollar, China must get more bang for their buck considering how the labour force works there.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:57:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OscarD: If Taiwan wants to remain independent they need to test a few nuclear weapons out in the Pacific. Barring that their forced reunification is a certainty. China's #1 ally is choking on its own blood in the trenches of Ukraine. Their #2 ally failed against Israel. #3 is either Pakistan or South Africa - both on the verge of collapse. I used to be more fearful of China. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:00:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: alphabavo]
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They’re also getting much more for their money.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:05:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Thunder900]
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Also keep in mind Russian spending. Now higher percentage of GDP than it was in the Cold War. And it ain't being directed at Ukraine.
If China decides to attack Taiwan Russia's gloves come off in Europe, and North Korea will all the sudden decide that all of Korea should be "best Korea"... And also Iran, we can't forget them... |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:06:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By engineer61: China has a few carriers that can move, but many more man-made islands all over the China Sea that they have built airfields on and equipped with multiple kinds of missile launchers. It will be very difficult for the U.S. to support Taiwan when China finally invades simply because Taiwan is very close to the China coast, and anything we send to help will have to go through the China Sea. To do that we will need to wipeout these island bases first, which is going to take time. Easiest and quickest way to take out these bases are with non-nuclear ballistic missiles, but will China go nuclear if they see a ballistic missile aimed at them? Is the U.S. military willing to take that risk? Taiwan will hold out for several months at least, it is a very mountainous island that the Taiwanese have been busy fortifying for 75 years so it isn't going to be taken easily. Will the U.S. be able to take out the Chinese man-made island defenses fast enough to get help to Taiwan is the key question that no one knows the answer. I dont believe we have non-nuclear ballistic missiles that china would confuse with nuclear. I think the easiest way would be b2/21 raids. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:07:03 PM EDT
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 [Eng CC] March of Steel Torrent / ??????? [Chinese Military Song]  ??????–????? / ???—?? - Moscow–Beijing (Sino-Soviet Friendship Song) [Full Choir Version] |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:11:12 PM EDT
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 Victory Day 2022 Rusia - Red Army Is The Strongest |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:18:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sh768: Yeah, but it's all made in China Do you really think they send over their good stuff here? The same way Mexico doesn't send us their good tequila - they keep it for themselves. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:28:11 PM EDT
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I’m sure the Persians pointed and laughed at little Macedonia improving their military significantly while letting their own rot…Probably that DEI training
Or perhaps the strain will collapse them as it did to the Soviets in the 80s and it’ll turn into a nothing burger historically outside a “Cold War 2” Time will tell. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:45:43 PM EDT
[#17]
China gets 15,000 new tanks
U.S. gets 87 new tanks |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:51:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dsteelman: Temu submarines ? https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/04/30/russia-china-partnership-trade-relations/  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:57:43 PM EDT
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This new research wasn’t done or paid for by someone wanting the US military’s budget increased, by chance?
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:58:27 PM EDT
[#20]
Then we need to go to two trillion... stat!
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Posted: 4/30/2024 11:04:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlabamaFan64: This new research wasn’t done or paid for by someone wanting the US military’s budget increased, by chance? Wouldn’t matter if it was. Look at the defense budget post Trump and pre Trump. Bitching about defense spending hasn’t generated a penny more for the DOD. Obama’s withdrawal from Iraq so there can be a pivot to the Pacific didn’t happen. You guys overrate the influence of the media, social media and even the military industrial complex. If I wanted to grift I wouldn’t waste time with military spending. I’d go for those literally trillion dollar Democrat social spending civilian federal government bullshit programs that make defense spending look like rookie numbers. This is spending for just 1 non military bill for 1 trillion dollars https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/15/us/politics/biden-signs-infrastructure-bill.html  Attached File Attached FileThere’s been numerous “spend more articles” since Biden was put into the White House but it hasn’t translated to more spending on deterring China or preparing for a war with China the named #1 threat by the government for over a decade now, excluding when Trump was President. But that being said China itself has announced year of year increased defense spending in its own newspapers https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202403/1308188.shtml#:~:text=China%20raises%20defense%20budget%20by,peace%2C%20stability  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 11:06:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By byron2112: Then we need to go to two trillion... stat! Won’t happen. 2 US Navy aircraft carriers sunk and we might see a trillion dollar budget proposed but until that happens, defense spending continues to shrink after factoring inflation. Even anti military industrial complex ARF member Ron has stated this in GD threads. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 11:18:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Here’s another bill just 1 bill that equals the entire defense budget https://www.axios.com/2022/08/16/biden-reconciliation-inflation-reduction-act
 Attached Filehttps://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/12/27/biden-signs-768-billion-defense-bill-after-democrats-spiked-earlier-less-expensive-proposal/?sh=19aa067e4bf6  Attached File |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 11:26:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Javelin: U.S. dot mil is too busy spending money on DEI. I've been seeing .mil recruitment ads for elderly people. WTF is wrong with this country? Between that and skirted men in ranks of authority, it's no wonder the world has written our military off. A day of reckoning is in the offing. I will say...no doubt we have some good folks left in the millitary...they've been actively seeking after filling the ranks with dysfunction. China on the other hand has a hundred million single men that have little more than national pride to their names. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 11:35:50 PM EDT
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Hell yeah, brah, keep on buying those Holusons.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 11:37:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Timbo: Paper tiger (probably) Wish I had your confidence… I don’t. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 11:51:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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https://www.wtnh.com/news/connecticut/new-london/foreign-aid-bill-to-help-electric-boat-shipyard-in-groton/amp/
 Attached File Attached FileThe new bill for Ukraine and Israel only adds $3 billion for US Navy shipbuilding, the rest of the money doesn’t address Department of Defense shortfalls due to inflation because it’s overwhelmingly money to address issues for Israel and Ukraine hence all the GD threads about Ukraine and Mike Johnson and Israel in ARF. It’s not money the Pentagon can tap into for its purposes to fight China or North Korea. https://rollcall.com/2022/03/29/inflation-may-shrink-bidens-big-defense-plan/  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 11:54:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlabamaFan64: This new research wasn’t done or paid for by someone wanting the US military’s budget increased, by chance? That's a bingo If they got all this money, why are their missiles full of water? https://www.twz.com/water-filled-missiles-silo-problems-behind-china-purge-report |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 12:04:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: That's a bingo If they got all this money, why are their missiles full of water? https://www.twz.com/water-filled-missiles-silo-problems-behind-china-purge-report We don’t know for fact that is or is not the case. Or do we somehow have secret ninja magic for that news but nothing else about China’s military? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-06/biden-to-request-1-increase-in-2025-defense-budget-under-cap  Attached FileFiscal year 2024 and 2025 budgets are already signed off and the new Ukraine bill only plussed up submarine production by $3 billion. Amy attempts to trick Congress into giving the “military industrial defense complex” more of your tax dollars are pointless as the next opportunity to debate a new defense bill is 2026. The Davidson window now supported by the 2 PACOM commanders after Admiral Davidson in testimony to Congress puts a war with China over Taiwan at 2024 or 2025 or 2026 but no later than 2027. Defense budgets for 2024 and 2025 are already in the books with no increase after factoring inflation - per ARF member Ron who is anti military industrial complex That’s hardly enough time to convince Congress to ramp up defense spending for 2026 before that window closes and people say hey “no war happened, we were tricked by the military industrial complex” 2 years - fiscal year 2026 and fiscal year 2027 are all that’s left of the Davidson window for new defense budget proposals. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 12:16:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: We don’t know for fact that is or is not the case. Or do we somehow have secret ninja magic for that news but nothing else about China’s military? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-06/biden-to-request-1-increase-in-2025-defense-budget-under-cap https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3695_jpeg-3202530.JPG Fiscal year 2024 and 2025 budgets are already signed off and the new Ukraine bill only plussed up submarine production by $3 billion. Amy attempts to trick Congress into giving the “military industrial defense complex” more of your tax dollars are pointless as the next opportunity to debate a new defense bill is 2026. The Davidson window now supported by the last 2 PACOM commanders in testimony to Congress puts a war with China over Taiwan at 2024 or 2025 or 2026 but no later than 2027. That’s hardly enough time to convince Congress to ramp up defense spending before that window closes and people say hey “no war happened, we were tricked by the military industrial complex” 2 years - fiscal year 2026 and fiscal year 2027 are all that’s left of the Davidson window for new defense budget proposals. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: That's a bingo If they got all this money, why are their missiles full of water? https://www.twz.com/water-filled-missiles-silo-problems-behind-china-purge-report We don’t know for fact that is or is not the case. Or do we somehow have secret ninja magic for that news but nothing else about China’s military? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-06/biden-to-request-1-increase-in-2025-defense-budget-under-cap https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3695_jpeg-3202530.JPG Fiscal year 2024 and 2025 budgets are already signed off and the new Ukraine bill only plussed up submarine production by $3 billion. Amy attempts to trick Congress into giving the “military industrial defense complex” more of your tax dollars are pointless as the next opportunity to debate a new defense bill is 2026. The Davidson window now supported by the last 2 PACOM commanders in testimony to Congress puts a war with China over Taiwan at 2024 or 2025 or 2026 but no later than 2027. That’s hardly enough time to convince Congress to ramp up defense spending before that window closes and people say hey “no war happened, we were tricked by the military industrial complex” 2 years - fiscal year 2026 and fiscal year 2027 are all that’s left of the Davidson window for new defense budget proposals. I don't have all the answers... But the guys telling us that the Commies are 10 feet tall, have thus far a perfect record. They have been wrong 100% of the time. And that's as recent as 2022, believing the Russians to be real good and scary. Now I'm supposed to be scared of China. But the situation is likely extremely similar in ways that matter. Their broken culture and 3rd world society can't produce a conventional fighting force worth a fuck... And even if they could, both sides are nuclear. We probably aren't doing shit aside from loot drops for Taiwan. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 12:20:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thunder900: Also keep in mind Russian spending. Now higher percentage of GDP than it was in the Cold War. And it ain't being directed at Ukraine. If China decides to attack Taiwan Russia's gloves come off in Europe, and North Korea will all the sudden decide that all of Korea should be "best Korea"... And also Iran, we can't forget them... What do you mean by “Russia’s gloves come off in Europe”. What is Russia holding back? |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 12:22:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: I don't have all the answers... But the guys telling us that the Commies are 10 feet tall, have thus far a perfect record. They have been wrong 100% of the time. And that's as recent as 2022, believing the Russians to be real good and scary. Now I'm supposed to be scared of China. But the situation is likely extremely similar in ways that matter. Their broken culture and 3rd world society can't produce a conventional fighting force worth a fuck... And even if they could, both sides are nuclear. We probably aren't doing shit aside from loot drops for Taiwan. As shitty as Russia is - Ukraine hasn’t gained territory since…….. As shitty as Russia is - more than half of NATO on its own would get clobbered - everyone in Europe is relying on a USA but if the USA was busy fighting elsewhere, could European NATO defeat Russia in Estonia? Europe has hot garbage recruiting problems, a shortage of air defense and can’t meet 2% GDP defense spending. You don’t have to be a kickass country to win if your opponent is busy defeating itself. China had a what kind of conventional force during the Korean War? How did that work out? How is China’s 2024 military compared to its 1950 military? Japan was considered a joke in 1941 too. You can discount enemies all you want. I want fall into that trap myself.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 12:25:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BillofRights]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Slvrktman: China gets 15,000 new tanks U.S. gets 87 new tanks It’s funny how many people here haven’t been paying attention. As of today, Tanks are obsolete. Maybe tomorrow, they will have active defense to include Lasers and anti-drone drones. I believe armor will make a comeback, but it will take a while. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 12:26:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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2025 defense budget - less aircraft less ships less submarines bought
The military industrial complex is zero for 3 for increased defense budgets since Biden entered the White House whether measured by GDP expenditure or after adjusted for inflation compared to past defense budgets so if these articles are all lies to get more $ it ain’t working https://breakingdefense.com/2024/03/in-fiscal-2025-bet-on-congress-or-begin-to-pivot/?amp=1  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 12:40:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: It’s funny how many people here haven’t been paying attention at all. As of today, Tanks are obsolete. Maybe tomorrow, they will have active defense, including Lasers and anti-drone drones. I believe armor will make a comeback, but it will take a while. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Originally Posted By Slvrktman: China gets 15,000 new tanks U.S. gets 87 new tanks It’s funny how many people here haven’t been paying attention at all. As of today, Tanks are obsolete. Maybe tomorrow, they will have active defense, including Lasers and anti-drone drones. I believe armor will make a comeback, but it will take a while. LOL Tanks probably aren't central to the Pacific fight, but calling them obsolete is nonsense. Even if they were obsolete in the Ukraine vs Russia war of incompetence (they aren't)... That wouldn't mean they are obsolete elsewhere in other wars. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 12:56:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: LOL Tanks probably aren't central to the Pacific fight, but calling them obsolete is nonsense. Even if they were obsolete in the Ukraine vs Russia war of incompetence (they aren't)... That wouldn't mean they are obsolete elsewhere in other wars. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By BillofRights: Originally Posted By Slvrktman: China gets 15,000 new tanks U.S. gets 87 new tanks It’s funny how many people here haven’t been paying attention at all. As of today, Tanks are obsolete. Maybe tomorrow, they will have active defense, including Lasers and anti-drone drones. I believe armor will make a comeback, but it will take a while. LOL Tanks probably aren't central to the Pacific fight, but calling them obsolete is nonsense. Even if they were obsolete in the Ukraine vs Russia war of incompetence (they aren't)... That wouldn't mean they are obsolete elsewhere in other wars. The greatest irony of Russia vs. Ukraine, is that Airpower hasn’t even been used much. Until we see major breakthroughs in anti-drone and anti missile defenses, they are indeed obsolete. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 1:11:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: The greatest irony of Russia vs. Ukraine, is that Airpower hasn’t even been used much. Until we see major breakthroughs in anti-drone and anti missile defenses, they are indeed obsolete. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By BillofRights: Originally Posted By Slvrktman: China gets 15,000 new tanks U.S. gets 87 new tanks It’s funny how many people here haven’t been paying attention at all. As of today, Tanks are obsolete. Maybe tomorrow, they will have active defense, including Lasers and anti-drone drones. I believe armor will make a comeback, but it will take a while. LOL Tanks probably aren't central to the Pacific fight, but calling them obsolete is nonsense. Even if they were obsolete in the Ukraine vs Russia war of incompetence (they aren't)... That wouldn't mean they are obsolete elsewhere in other wars. The greatest irony of Russia vs. Ukraine, is that Airpower hasn’t even been used much. Until we see major breakthroughs in anti-drone and anti missile defenses, they are indeed obsolete. Tanks leading a successful assault, this past month. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Russian-Turtle-Tanks/5-2722502/&page=1&anc=108913097#i108913097 |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 9:56:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2024 11:53:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oakley: It's only a matter of time before the sun sets on the United States as the world's number 1 super power. Yep, and we the people did it to ourselves. Trillions spent fighting a hot wars against commies in Korea and Nam and a cold war with Soviets, tens of thousands of Americans dead or wounded, only for the powers that be to get us in bed with them economically. America, the stupidest country on earth. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 12:26:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Girlieman]
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Peter Zeihan has an interesting take on China's place in the world...
He gives 'em ten years until the whole fuckin country collapses... |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 12:30:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/keeping-up-with-the-pacing-threat-unveiling-the-true-size-of-beijings-military-spending/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3662_jpeg-3202188.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3659_jpeg-3202180.JPG https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/03/05/asia-pacific/politics/china-npc-defense-taiwan/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_3661_jpeg-3202185.JPG |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 12:33:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JTMcC: And yet, their NCO cadre is 4 generations removed from any armed conflict. When the war goes to the ground, they are unprepared. They have "advisors" in conflicts in various places around the world, which they rotate out regularly. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 12:37:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: IMO their aircraft carriers including the incoming #4 are really only useful against India but their missile quantity and anti air capabilities are the larger million {billion} dollar questions Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By intheburbs: Ski jump aircraft carriers scream "we're second-rate!" IMO their aircraft carriers including the incoming #4 are really only useful against India but their missile quantity and anti air capabilities are the larger million {billion} dollar questions I'm not sure they can take Taiwan. But tens of thousands of missiles are gonna break some shit if they try to go for the brass ring. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 12:44:39 PM EDT
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Meanwhile,
Chinas fake gold reserves. Chinas fake realestate. Chinas carrier on fire. Theres TDS and then there's CDS. Dont fall for it. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 1:19:53 PM EDT
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……and yet their shit still sucks! Might as well be made of cheese! Their tech is stolen Western or old outdated Soviet shit pushed into modern looking shapes. Their ship hulls are rotting before they hit water.
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Posted: 5/1/2024 1:42:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: I don't have all the answers... But the guys telling us that the Commies are 10 feet tall, have thus far a perfect record. They have been wrong 100% of the time. And that's as recent as 2022, believing the Russians to be real good and scary. Now I'm supposed to be scared of China. But the situation is likely extremely similar in ways that matter. Their broken culture and 3rd world society can't produce a conventional fighting force worth a fuck... And even if they could, both sides are nuclear. We probably aren't doing shit aside from loot drops for Taiwan. Just because they may have cried wolf in the past doesn't mean they are wrong now, awful lot to bet on your guess. And all that spending in the past may have been the reason they turned out to be less than we thought. Personally since it will be my butt sitting in some hole in the pacific dodging hypersonic missiles, I want as much deterrent spending now as possible. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 1:54:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Girlieman: Peter Zeihan has an interesting take on China's place in the world... He gives 'em ten years until the whole fuckin country collapses... He's been saying that forever, I do kind of agree with him specifically demographically, they know that too, which is why there is a short timeline to get things done militarily. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:13:41 PM EDT
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That’s a lot of shit with shake awake.
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:40:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Evintos]
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  https://twitter.com/jesusfroman/status/1769717382006689991/video/1 https://twitter.com/jesusfroman/status/1768558052314161587 https://twitter.com/jesusfroman/status/1766370853304901636 People keep viewing their military through western eyes in both equipment and human value, not wanting to accept that the CCP is like Russia and will throw all of it into a meat grinder without remorse. Underestimating China and ignoring the fact that they're observing and quickly learning from current conflicts on how to kill their enemy with extremely high quantity, low cost solutions is going to lead to a lot of dead soldiers and civilians. The Chinese soldiers will fight willingly, because the CCP will convince (without the use of threats) millions of bachelors with no future prospects due to the failed "One Child" policy that their future lies in them conquering foreign lands for wealth and women. There is unfortunately no easy solution to dealing with this threat. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 2:43:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
[#50]
Lots of people with their heads in the sand still stuck in USA circa 1990, when the us military was doing everything right, USA / us military has changed greatly since then, become much, much weaker in many ways, grows weaker by the day, wasting resources, getting deeper into crippling debt, giving away hundreds of billions of dollars of very difficult to replace weapons, leaving our inventory stock dangerously low, importing tens of millions of worthless parasitic trouble makers, adopting pathetic policies and attitudes that both greatly weaken our military effectiveness as well as damage recruiting badly as well.
meanwhile, our enemies grow stronger , are highly motivated, patriotic, with little to lose and much being promised and are hampered by few of the things increasingly crippling us. Any real fight, and by real fight, I mean fighting Russia, China, or any combination WILL include / ABSOLUTELY require a massive draft, and that alone would likely break the USA alone. A very large % of citizens would happily choose prison over serving / going to fight for the USA. Canadas population would become 50% Americans overnight, feminism would vanish as would any talk of equal rights. Who’s left for the grinder? Illegals / foreigners here illegally? Think promising them citizenship would get them to go fight China / die in the hundreds of thousands like Ukraine? Why? They already have all the benefits of the USA, they don’t need citizenship, and I don’t see them serving either. Not sure how they would produce enough soldiers, but it would definitely break America in the attempt. |
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