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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:23:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord: Would be interesting to see how many bystanders have been killed for their curiosity and urge to get the footage to post on social media. Not just in shootings but in all sorts of disasters big and small. People whip out their cameras instead of evading the thing killing people. I think its because the rule of our era is, "PICS! Or it didn't happen!" |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:24:38 PM EDT
[#2]
Cum on them.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:24:52 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kcobean: can't beat a drawn gun. I'm moving to my left, his right to put his a-pillar/windshield between me and him as quickly as possible in search of cover. Of course I'm drawing in preparation for a fight, but not getting shot is priority 1. This except I'm moving to my right/his left so he has to rotate towards the B pillar and twist his upper body further |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:25:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tep0583: I'm doing the opposite and moving right. Going left brings him the option to use the BIG weapon he's in the driver's seat of. Once I'm clear to the rear of the car, it's harder for him to engage without exiting the car. This was my first thought too. Me reasons are that the driver is seated in a car. If I manage to get past his left shoulder I've got an excellent chance that he can't turn far enough or quick enough to get a shot at me. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:25:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Badlatitude]
[#5]
I'd probably say Woooaaahhh easy, I didn't see shit.
While moving out of the line of fire slowly |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:26:52 PM EDT
[#6]
Lock eyes with them and start getting naked while walking towards the car .
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:28:12 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kcobean: can't beat a drawn gun. I'm moving to my left, his right to put his a-pillar/windshield between me and him as quickly as possible in search of cover. Of course I'm drawing in preparation for a fight, but not getting shot is priority 1. FPNI |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:28:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord: This was a real “road rage” situation that happened in Portland. The observer who took that photo was shot at a couple times and struck in the leg. Thought it would be a good thought exercise. Well I’m sure af not whipping out my cell phone to take a picture… |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:30:19 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord: This was a real “road rage” situation that happened in Portland. The observer who took that photo was shot at a couple times and struck in the leg. Thought it would be a good thought exercise. Well. I sure as shit wouldn’t stand there to whip out my phone to take pictures. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:30:45 PM EDT
[#10]
Raise up your sign "The Jews Did This!" and chant "free the palestinians" while banging on your drum.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:31:11 PM EDT
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I would move sideways or to wherever seemed the best as quickly as I could.
I might get shot but most people can't shoot that good so I'll take my chances. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:38:22 PM EDT
[#12]
Upon reconsideration, I wouldn't have pulled a camera out in the first place. And I damn sure wouldn't be filming and standing there like an idiot.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:56:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kcobean: If someone points a gun at an innocent bystander, I'm not going to assume they're a victim of an attempted car-jacking. True that you've walked into the middle of an unknown, but his pointing a gun at me means he identifies me as a threat or means to do me harm. I'm not "walking away", I'm "getting off the X", to Yaeger-ize it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kcobean: Originally Posted By delemorte: Walk away.. do I look like the police to you? I have no idea why a dude is down. Could be an attempted car jacking as far as I know. Myob If someone points a gun at an innocent bystander, I'm not going to assume they're a victim of an attempted car-jacking. True that you've walked into the middle of an unknown, but his pointing a gun at me means he identifies me as a threat or means to do me harm. I'm not "walking away", I'm "getting off the X", to Yaeger-ize it. So walking away isn't getting off the x? You guys get too hung up on commando lingo. I bet you would blade right? |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:58:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By delemorte: So walking away isn't getting off the x? You guys get too hung up on commando lingo. I bet you would blade right? Blading at 47 degrees has been shown by occular scientists to be tactically superior than 45 degrees. IYKYK. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:59:18 PM EDT
[#15]
My situational awareness wouldn't get me in that position
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:01:26 PM EDT
[#16]
I am moving right to cover, harder for him to track in that direction.
I am also looking for cover. I would be drawing as I move to cover. He will either drive off or exit the vehicle. It goes from there.  |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:02:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scopedope: Not my circus, not my monkey! That is so over used. The guy is pointing a gun at you. You are now the monkey. Dance monkey. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:03:20 PM EDT
[#18]
Find cover ASAP. You aren't drawing and getting a round off before a guy that's already got his gun aimed at you with his finger on the trigger. Not happening.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:03:38 PM EDT
[#19]
Gun from Heat.
Typically Gla drivers carry Sigs |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:09:05 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord: This is what I was thinking. Gunman is right handed. Out in the open you’d want to move in the same direction against their natural range of motion (easier for right handed shooter to shoot straight and to their left). Shooter being in the vehicle, it would be even more be beneficial to move in this direction. Move to your right. Shooter has a wide arc left to right but not so much to his left. Furthermore, right handed is probably right eye dominant. Sit in your car with gun in right hand. Now swing left and see how difficult it is to track left with your arm across your body. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:22:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamPo: Move to your right. Shooter has a wide arc left to right but not so much to his left. Furthermore, right handed is probably right eye dominant. Sit in your car with gun in right hand. Now swing left and see how difficult it is to track left with your arm across your body. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamPo: Originally Posted By thesilvercord: This is what I was thinking. Gunman is right handed. Out in the open you’d want to move in the same direction against their natural range of motion (easier for right handed shooter to shoot straight and to their left). Shooter being in the vehicle, it would be even more be beneficial to move in this direction. Move to your right. Shooter has a wide arc left to right but not so much to his left. Furthermore, right handed is probably right eye dominant. Sit in your car with gun in right hand. Now swing left and see how difficult it is to track left with your arm across your body. You’re right. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:23:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Efl15]
[#22]
Since this is GD, draw carry gun or retrieve the truck gun and get involved.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:29:58 PM EDT
[#23]
Get behind cover, and/or run away after putting some type of cover between you and the muzzle of the shotgun.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:34:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mike_314]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord: This was a real "road rage" situation that happened in Portland. The observer who took that photo was shot at a couple times and struck in the leg. Thought it would be a good thought exercise. But to answer the question: A. Move B. Seek cover or at least concealment C. Shoot back first |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:42:03 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord: This is what I was thinking. Gunman is right handed. Out in the open you'd want to move in the same direction against their natural range of motion (easier for right handed shooter to shoot straight and to their left). Shooter being in the vehicle, it would be even more be beneficial to move in this direction. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord: Originally Posted By kcobean: can't beat a drawn gun. I'm moving to my left, his right to put his a-pillar/windshield between me and him as quickly as possible in search of cover. Of course I'm drawing in preparation for a fight, but not getting shot is priority 1. This is what I was thinking. Gunman is right handed. Out in the open you'd want to move in the same direction against their natural range of motion (easier for right handed shooter to shoot straight and to their left). Shooter being in the vehicle, it would be even more be beneficial to move in this direction. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:48:05 PM EDT
[#26]
Move towards cover
If rounds start flying, draw and fire while continuing to move towards cover. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:53:25 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Ascent-: Back up back into the store. Call 911. If I'm pursued then I would draw. This is my answer. Running around looking for cover with a drawn pistol could get you shot by someone other than the guy in the car thinking you are the person that just fired gunshots and are the threat. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:54:12 PM EDT
[#28]
Moving behind OP.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:56:07 PM EDT
[#29]
That’s a tough shot for the average person, one handed, at that distance. I’m moving laterally, quickly, drawing my own gun and reacting from there depending on what they do next.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 4:00:35 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kcobean: can't beat a drawn gun. I'm moving to my left, his right to put his a-pillar/windshield between me and him as quickly as possible in search of cover. Of course I'm drawing in preparation for a fight, but not getting shot is priority 1. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 4:03:07 PM EDT
[#31]
"Use it or put it away" and continue on like he's not even there. I'm not beating a drawn gun and don't know the details of what just happened, not getting involved.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 4:04:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/30/2024 4:09:14 PM EDT
[#33]
If I see that I'm moving to my right quickly and drawing.
If I move to my left, I'm hoping he's going to shoot low/left, but it puts me both directly in front of the car wher I can be run down and it places me in the middle of his arc of fire. Moving right is going to force him to turn in his seat if he wants to track me. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 4:13:00 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamPo: Move to your right. Shooter has a wide arc left to right but not so much to his left. Furthermore, right handed is probably right eye dominant. Sit in your car with gun in right hand. Now swing left and see how difficult it is to track left with your arm across your body. It would be impossible to keep any kind of a sight picture in that scenario. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 4:23:45 PM EDT
[#35]
Personally, I think the biggest action to take, is to MOVE immediately.
I'm dropping- and rolling/skittering off in a lateral direction. Either way will do. Longer you stand there with your dick in your hand the worse it gets. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 4:26:56 PM EDT
[#36]
Sudden dash towards the back of that car
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Posted: 4/30/2024 4:37:47 PM EDT
[#37]
Lateral left, draw and fire at same time. His tracking w be intercepted by A Pilar and with any luck I survive another GSW if he does hit me.
He is trapped in his front seat fatal funnel. While not ideal, this is a survivable encounter. 18Z50…. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 4:42:02 PM EDT
[#38]
Let's say off the nose of the car is 12:00. He's currently pointing at about what 10:00-10:30? Given that he's right handed, how many degrees to his right / your left can he move that gun until he'd have to shoot through his A-pillar or windshield to hit you? Now consider his 'field of fire' if you go to your right. He's got from 10:30 all the way to probably 7:00 if he drops his left hand and pivots in the seat, which he CAN do faster than you can cover that arc distance.
Without any further information, moving to your left gets an object that presumably he doesn't want to shoot, between you and him. If you go right, you give him 150 degress or so of motion that he can track you through. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 4:45:57 PM EDT
[#39]
Assuming no immediate cover, run and angle to the left. Stay low when running past the windshield (shooting from inside drags the bullet high) if cover in that direction, get to it and don’t attempt to engage. If no cover drop to my back below line of sight on passenger side of the car, draw weapon aim between my legs and wait for a target or for guy to drive off.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 4:47:30 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kcobean: can't beat a drawn gun. I'm moving to my left, his right to put his a-pillar/windshield between me and him as quickly as possible in search of cover. Of course I'm drawing in preparation for a fight, but not getting shot is priority 1. Either way, moving is your best defense. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 4:48:46 PM EDT
[#41]
I had a gun put in my face in Berkeley, CA…,I walked away.
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WV, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 4:50:38 PM EDT
[#42]
Drive defensively
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 5:01:34 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jimhoff: Sudden dash towards the back of that car This. Draw and open fire from his 7. Can't spin around in his seat to shoot you. And don't be directly behind the car where he can back over you. Move left you're going right into his line of fire. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 5:25:06 PM EDT
[#44]
Fall backwards into the doorway and start yelling "I'm Shot"
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Posted: 4/30/2024 5:37:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/30/2024 5:58:07 PM EDT
[#46]
What is Hunter doing in Portland?
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:00:07 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By delemorte: Walk away.. do I look like the police to you? I have no idea why a dude is down. Could be an attempted car jacking as far as I know. Myob One thing i do know is i’m not a carjacker and dude is pointing a gun at me. That’s his problem. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:00:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord: This is what I was thinking. Gunman is right handed. Out in the open you’d want to move in the same direction against their natural range of motion (easier for right handed shooter to shoot straight and to their left). Shooter being in the vehicle, it would be even more be beneficial to move in this direction. Still plenty of room for him to track you even if you force him to swing towards the front of the windshield. Anyhow- I would go laterally towards whatever cover is available, whichever side it might be on. Draw my own gun, as anyone randomly pointing a gun at me is a serious threat, and given the opportunity to be proactive I am taking it. But getting off the X is priority #1 first. And yeah, I would shoot some random dipshit who was pointing a gun at me for no reason, especially if he just shot someone else. Just because he might be confusing me with someone who might care what he just did, or who might be friendly with the person he just shot, doesn’t mean I am putting up with that. But that is priority #2, because I already am in a bad situation to start with, so getting the hell out of dodge is the main thing. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:01:35 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: Move towards cover while drawing. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:18:37 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord: Older story but the purpose of me posting it here was for the thought exercise without knowing the details. https://nypost.com/2023/10/15/portland-financier-geoffrey-hammond-kills-man-in-road-rage-shooting-before-taking-aim-at-filming-bystander/amp/ Well that guy isn’t much of a “CEO” as it turns out, more like some sketchy guy with a criminal past. Kind of sounds like he might even have been a prohibited person. He will get convicted of Murder on the original guy 100%, because the other guy was trying to de-escalate. He will also be convicted of Assault I and/or Attempt Murder for shooting the guy who was taking the photo. He turned himself in and all that, but his story and reasoning is dumb as hell. Easy conviction. (Actually he will most likely end up taking a plea deal on lesser charges….because it is such an easy case to prosecute.) And leftists will use this incident as another “gun violence” statistic, while ignoring the fact that the dead guy and photographer both might have been better off if they were better prepared to defend themselves. |
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