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Posted: 4/30/2024 12:59:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: We should mandate more electric cars. And dynamite the Snake River dams like the greenies have been whining about for decades, that'll also help! |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 1:07:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamuelAdams1776: https://cdn.newsbusters.org/styles/blog_image_100_/s3/2022-03/Stephen-Colbert_TW.png That guy is a fag. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 1:14:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Meet_Poll]
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Meanwhile, in California and Texas... California recently produced 83 percent of a days electricity with renewables and Hydro. The only question is whether sky-is-falling naysayers will be able to screw this up. Solar deployment is just getting started it's unbelievable the potential we're seeing coupled with wind and battery storage.
Hint: Charging an EV during the day when Solar is peaking makes a lot of sense I mean, seriously... Renewable energy will transform the world for the better, can't see much of a reason to attack it. Renewable energy has supplied 100 percent of California's energy demand for between 15 minutes and six hours in 30 of the last 38 days—a historic first for the Golden State. Texas leads in renewables |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 2:45:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Get to building nuke plants. No more power crisis. This is the way |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 3:47:53 AM EDT
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No shit we're running out of power. The grid barely hangs on before all the stupid left-mandated EV shit gets piled onto the grid.
But the leftists are incapable of understanding that, and just keep on demanding more mandated things that rely on the grid. And at the same time, the left loonies protest any attempts to build power plants. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 4:01:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Meet_Poll: Meanwhile, in California and Texas... California recently produced 83 percent of a days electricity with renewables and Hydro. The only question is whether sky-is-falling naysayers will be able to screw this up. Solar deployment is just getting started it's unbelievable the potential we're seeing coupled with wind and battery storage. Hint: Charging an EV during the day when Solar is peaking makes a lot of sense I mean, seriously... Renewable energy will transform the world for the better, can't see much of a reason to attack it. Renewable energy has supplied 100 percent of California's energy demand for between 15 minutes and six hours in 30 of the last 38 days—a historic first for the Golden State. Texas leads in renewables Solar farms are so natural looking with all the concrete and panels, too bad they are full of toxic materials. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 4:08:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KILLERB6: What are UUUU talking about? I can’t CCJ them building more nukes. NXEt thing you know UECing protests about that.  :IGetThoseReferences.Gif: |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 5:16:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Get to building nuke plants. No more power crisis. Nope and Governments are trying to shut them down. https://www.eia.gov/nuclear/reactors/shutdown/ Hence got a lot of nuclear materials for pennies on the hundreds of dollars that they where using for fuel after the fall of USSR from foreign countries sitting on stock piles of it when USA was making these countries no longer has nukes and materials back in the 90's, but without cheap Nuclear fuel to run the Nuclear plants (and the fact that a lot of Nuclear refiners have been shut down a well), nothing inexpensive about them to run, and what the hell to you do with the spent radioactive rods in the end as well. And that is if you don't have a plant melt down, where you leave half the state UN-occupiable for few million years. Next, not a lot of areas near a large enough waterway to build a hydro dam to pull power that way, and if your talking Green energy with solar or wind farms, now enough clear land to build such, for that kind of main power instead. So your back to fossil fuel power plant like now instead. And taking of fossil fuels, like crud drilling that Trump opened up in the north for drilling when i office (and promising more of if re-elected), Is everyone is aware that we do not have the correct refiners to refine that crud, and what what is being pulled out of these and frackering operations, is ending up being set off shore to other countries, to be refined there since they do have the correct needed refiners. So when trump goes off like this, Presidential hopeful Donald Trump repeatedly pledges to expanded oil drilling. How is drilling for oil, and then having to sell it to other countries since it can not refined here in the states, increasing Jobs, when all its doing it making a big oil businesses more money being able to sell it off to other countries in the end. Is the end game plan to re-open the ship building yards to build new ships to ship more of it over seas, to increase jobs that way in the end, since EPA is not going to allow the building of the needed refiners in the states to process the new oil that is being drilled now that he allowed. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 5:18:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/30/2024 5:33:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Get to building nuke plants. No more power crisis. One of the big problems that companies will have if they do decide to add more nuclear plants will be engineers and designers to design these plants. Years ago when the industry was shrinking thousands were laid off and never went back, not many current-day engineers and designers have been going into this area so there will be a huge shortage of workers. Both myself and my brother worked in this area, we are now retired along with thousands of other workers and there are not very many replacements out there. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:04:59 AM EDT
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Don’t worry, the all powerful EPA released new rules this past weekend. It is all but certain death to coal by 2032 and starting the end of gas. As for renewables, they aren’t terrible, but not a base load source of energy. You can instantly lose hundreds of mw from a cloud. Also, peak in summer is that 3-7pm time frame so batteries can help bridge that. Winter however peak runs from 11-7 am so solar and wind do not help. Battery storage isn’t capable of holding that load for that long. Plans are already in the works for lots of 5-600 mw combined cycles to bridge the gap for base load, but we’re probably 5-6 years out for those to be online.
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:13:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TheLASwamp]
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The commies are not looking to solve the problem. That's what so many people here don't seem to understand. It's the problems that give The Party their power and control. Not the solutions. That why the democrat-communists create so many problems. So they can then run on the solutions. Of course, they don't solve anything when they get into power. They just keep creating more problems they can use to hold on to their power.
A population who is cold, hungry, and in the dark is far easier to control than one that's fat, happy, full, secure and on the couch watching sportball. The communists figured this out well over a century ago. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:38:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Meet_Poll: Meanwhile, in California and Texas... California recently produced 83 percent of a days electricity with renewables and Hydro. The only question is whether sky-is-falling naysayers will be able to screw this up. Solar deployment is just getting started it's unbelievable the potential we're seeing coupled with wind and battery storage. Hint: Charging an EV during the day when Solar is peaking makes a lot of sense I mean, seriously... Renewable energy will transform the world for the better, can't see much of a reason to attack it. Renewable energy has supplied 100 percent of California's energy demand for between 15 minutes and six hours in 30 of the last 38 days—a historic first for the Golden State. Texas leads in renewables Meanwhile, in other parts of the nation, solar & wind are not a reliable sources to meet 100% demand. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:43:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dano523: Nope and Governments are trying to shut them down. https://www.eia.gov/nuclear/reactors/shutdown/ Hence got a lot of nuclear materials for pennies on the hundreds of dollars that they where using for fuel after the fall of USSR from foreign countries sitting on stock piles of it when USA was making these countries no longer has nukes and materials back in the 90's, but without cheap Nuclear fuel to run the Nuclear plants (and the fact that a lot of Nuclear refiners have been shut down a well), nothing inexpensive about them to run, and what the hell to you do with the spent radioactive rods in the end as well. And that is if you don't have a plant melt down, where you leave half the state UN-occupiable for few million years. Next, not a lot of areas near a large enough waterway to build a hydro dam to pull power that way, and if your talking Green energy with solar or wind farms, now enough clear land to build such, for that kind of main power instead. So your back to fossil fuel power plant like now instead. And taking of fossil fuels, like crud drilling that Trump opened up in the north for drilling when i office (and promising more of if re-elected), Is everyone is aware that we do not have the correct refiners to refine that crud, and what what is being pulled out of these and frackering operations, is ending up being set off shore to other countries, to be refined there since they do have the correct needed refiners. So when trump goes off like this, Presidential hopeful Donald Trump repeatedly pledges to expanded oil drilling. How is drilling for oil, and then having to sell it to other countries since it can not refined here in the states, increasing Jobs, when all its doing it making a big oil businesses more money being able to sell it off to other countries in the end. Is the end game plan to re-open the ship building yards to build new ships to ship more of it over seas, to increase jobs that way in the end, since EPA is not going to allow the building of the needed refiners in the states to process the new oil that is being drilled now that he allowed. It's simple, really. Somethings gotta give. Either a) adequate, reliable production is implemented, or b) the lights & heat/AC go out. Pick 1. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:23:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Special-K: Yeah, and how many reliable coal fired power plants did these evil bastards shut down over the last 15 years? While China has 300 new coal fired plants planned, being built and coming on line. Our corrupted gov is the biggest enemy to America. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:24:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: It's simple, really. Somethings gotta give. Either a) adequate, reliable production is implemented, or b) the lights & heat/AC go out. Pick 1. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:27:10 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Get to building nuke plants. No more power crisis. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:24:03 AM EDT
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cHaRgE aT nIgHt WhEn DeManD iS lOwEr
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:27:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Special-K: Yeah, and how many reliable coal fired power plants did these evil bastards shut down over the last 15 years? HUNDREDS |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:29:32 AM EDT
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Closing all the coal powered plants and mandating EV production will solve this.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:35:28 AM EDT
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Texas is not facing outages. That is utter bull shit.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 9:40:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Palm]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Strikeforces: I trade wholesale electricity on the ERCOT system. Prices have risen dramatically for everything out on the price curve (at least 3 years out) recently. The spot market can be brutal. Thankfully my local utility does a good job buying and selling futures. They issue the plea for energy conservation when the spot market is high so they can sell it off as excess capacity on the spot market. People refuse to believe that energy trading is big business. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:24:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Meet_Poll]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: Meanwhile, in other parts of the nation, solar & wind are not a reliable sources to meet 100% demand. Because they haven't been sufficiently deployed yet- although that time frame keeps dropping dramatically. Below is a great deal of information about Wind but pretty much from PA and westward, there is room for Solar to replicate what California is doing. It's almost like we hate solar and wind for some reason that can't be readily explained. Iowa is pushing 70+ percent of it's power from wind and it's not even one of the top potential states! According to The 2012 National Renewable Energy study, the top five states for wind power potential are Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota and Montana. These five states represent a total potential Wind power generation capacity of 17.3 Million GWh, sufficient to power the entire U.S. over four times over! 2012 nrel.gov study Solar is now being installed faster than any technology in history |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:17:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Missilegeek]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Meet_Poll: Because they haven't been sufficiently deployed yet- although that time frame keeps dropping dramatically. Below is a great deal of information about Wind but pretty much from PA and westward, there is room for Solar to replicate what California is doing. It's almost like we hate solar and wind for some reason that can't be readily explained. Iowa is pushing 70+ percent of it's power from wind and it's not even one of the top potential states! According to The 2012 National Renewable Energy study, the top five states for wind power potential are Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota and Montana. These five states represent a total potential Wind power generation capacity of 17.3 Million GWh, sufficient to power the entire U.S. over four times over! 2012 nrel.gov study Solar is now being installed faster than any technology in history Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Meet_Poll: Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: Meanwhile, in other parts of the nation, solar & wind are not a reliable sources to meet 100% demand. Because they haven't been sufficiently deployed yet- although that time frame keeps dropping dramatically. Below is a great deal of information about Wind but pretty much from PA and westward, there is room for Solar to replicate what California is doing. It's almost like we hate solar and wind for some reason that can't be readily explained. Iowa is pushing 70+ percent of it's power from wind and it's not even one of the top potential states! According to The 2012 National Renewable Energy study, the top five states for wind power potential are Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota and Montana. These five states represent a total potential Wind power generation capacity of 17.3 Million GWh, sufficient to power the entire U.S. over four times over! 2012 nrel.gov study Solar is now being installed faster than any technology in history So how are you going to store all that power and use it when the wind decides not to blow for hours or days at a time? Potential power is meaningless, actual power delivered, when needed, is all that matters. This is the same type of ignorance that Obama and his retarded disciples spewed to get us into this mess. Windmills are nothing but giant monuments to the stupidity of modern man. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:26:26 PM EDT
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Another thing not talked about here with the data center stuff is they need a TON of water.
The latest one by me needs 3,000,000 gallons a day |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 10:56:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Get to building nuke plants. No more power crisis. This. It's the only way to go. There is no other. Solar and wind are jokes. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 11:23:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: Vast swaths of the United States are at risk of running short of power as electricity-hungry data centers and clean-technology factories proliferate around the country, leaving utilities and regulators grasping for credible plans to expand the nation's creaking power grid. In Georgia, demand for industrial power is surging to record highs, with the projection of new electricity use for the next decade now 17 times what it was only recently. Arizona Public Service, the largest utility in that state, is also struggling to keep up, projecting it will be out of transmission capacity before the end of the decade absent major upgrades. Northern Virginia needs the equivalent of several large nuclear power plants to serve all the new data centers planned and under construction. Texas, where electricity shortages are already routine on hot summer days, faces the same dilemma. The soaring demand is touching off a scramble to try to squeeze more juice out of an aging power grid while pushing commercial customers to go to extraordinary lengths to lock down energy sources, such as building their own power plants. "When you look at the numbers, it is staggering," said Jason Shaw, chairman of the Georgia Public Service Commission, which regulates electricity. "It makes you scratch your head and wonder how we ended up in this situation. How were the projections that far off? This has created a challenge like we have never seen before." -high efficiency compressors, motors, refrigeration -led light bulbs vs halogen and incandescent (talking 10% utilization in the form of lighting vs 25 y ago) -no more high power desktop pcs, crt tvs, stereos so on and so forth. I'd say usage is net net or down, no? |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 11:29:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: byron2112]
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Has anyone pointed out that the people in charge of this country are morons?
How many massive "infrastucture" bills have they sold us and they never address this?... I remember back in the Obongo days, all this reporting how decrepit our grid was and needed all this work... that dumbass got his own trillion dollar "infrastructure" bill he was crowing about too and.... nothing.  Now they're still crying blues |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 11:50:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: garr]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Get to building nuke plants. No more power crisis. Just the opposite is happening. Nuke plants are being shut down! Green energy is bullshit It's all part of plan!!! Turn USA into a 3rd world Banana Republic! |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 9:24:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: This might be the single dumbest sentence in the last decade. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intheburbs: It makes you scratch your head and wonder how we ended up in this situation. This might be the single dumbest sentence in the last decade. Or maybe it was sarcasm unless. I don't know. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 9:42:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Get to building nuke plants. No more power crisis. 
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Posted: 5/1/2024 9:45:09 AM EDT
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Nobody could have predicted this. We've been reducing supply and increasing demand, who knew that would have any effect on availability? It's simply impossible.
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Posted: 5/1/2024 9:46:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slow3v: What sucked up all of the surplus from -high efficiency compressors, motors, refrigeration -led light bulbs vs halogen and incandescent (talking 10% utilization in the form of lighting vs 25 y ago) -no more high power desktop pcs, crt tvs, stereos so on and so forth. I'd say usage is net net or down, no? That's what's been holding it flat for years as the population grew. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 9:51:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: Manufactured crisis. Seen this show before. Offer solar/wind as alts... which don't work... More crisis... Keeps the lobbyists and politicians rolling in cash. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 10:07:23 AM EDT
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If the US got the same price for solar panels they are paying in the EU, it would be way more attractive.
In my research, it seems that solar systems seem to be the best when they are on a household, or small neighborhood level. Anything bigger becomes difficult to manage and anything smaller is not cost effective. Add to that all the solar scammer companies that lock people into a contract with a ridiculous loan and interest rate and it becomes a bad way to go. We need to get panels in the 10-15 cent per watt range and batteries in the $500 for a 48V/100AH range and then it will all take off. 20kw panels for $2-3k? Sign me up. 30kwh of LiFePo4 batteries for $3k? Yep. The inverters would still be the expensive part, but I'd rather pay for good, efficient, safe regulating equipment. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 10:12:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Grunteled]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustinU235: People don't like it, but nationalizing power generation and building nukes at taxpayer expense is probably the best option. Making something like electricity a for profit business is probably a mistake. Oh I think it is 180 degrees from that. The mistake will be making electrical power a political tool. I can't fathom anyone looking at the current federal system in the US and saying what you said with a straight face. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 10:16:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Meet_Poll: Because they haven't been sufficiently deployed yet- although that time frame keeps dropping dramatically. Below is a great deal of information about Wind but pretty much from PA and westward, there is room for Solar to replicate what California is doing. It's almost like we hate solar and wind for some reason that can't be readily explained. Anyone who's eyes have beheld a fucking wind-farm knows why we hate wind farms. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 10:18:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PKT1106: 30kwh of LiFePo4 batteries for $3k? Yep. You are not too far from that price now. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 10:30:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PKT1106: If the US got the same price for solar panels they are paying in the EU, it would be way more attractive. In my research, it seems that solar systems seem to be the best when they are on a household, or small neighborhood level. Anything bigger becomes difficult to manage and anything smaller is not cost effective. Add to that all the solar scammer companies that lock people into a contract with a ridiculous loan and interest rate and it becomes a bad way to go. We need to get panels in the 10-15 cent per watt range and batteries in the $500 for a 48V/100AH range and then it will all take off. 20kw panels for $2-3k? Sign me up. 30kwh of LiFePo4 batteries for $3k? Yep. The inverters would still be the expensive part, but I'd rather pay for good, efficient, safe regulating equipment. It's the $8k to $16k for batteries that suck. Still worth it to own your own production. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 10:31:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grunteled: You are not too far from that price now. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 12:36:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grunteled: You are not too far from that price now. The 48V/100AH server rack style like the Lifepower EG4? |
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