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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:56:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: kingfish]
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What if all this shit is actually to bring down the US? China, India, Iran, N Korea, and some Arab states pumping $ and weapons to Russia?
And if we collapsed, economically, as the Soviets did after Afghanistan, wouldn’t all the leftists in our country be overjoyed? They’ll get to start over using their system of governance which looks a lot like communism |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:09:30 AM EDT
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Haven’t seen the faded one yet… Anyone do a welfare check? They say you can suffer really serious medical issues if you maintain an erection for more than four hours.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:10:30 AM EDT
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Largest money laundering scheme in history.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:12:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kihn: Somebody has to pay the wages and retirement for all of those Ukrainian bureaucrats. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:14:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Foxtrot08: But I was told it wasn’t a forever war…… 
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:15:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkStar: Well, at least Ukraine has this going for it.
Zelensky ain't giving up his grift power. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:16:30 AM EDT
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Now do Germany and Japan...
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:20:11 AM EDT
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Yay! Another Euro country of worthless feeders for the American tax payer to support as their country is given away to millions of other worthless feeders.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:21:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: Until it is time for American Blood!  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: Originally Posted By Naporter: The New and Improved Forever War! Now without American Blood! Until it is time for American Blood! When American bodies start stacking in that shit hole, will the current supporters of the war cheer or not? I guess it depends who is in office. By the end of Iraq and Afghanistan, a portion of Americans were fist pumping when Americans died over there. Those people cheering then are the same flying trans and Uke flags now on their front porch, I'm just curious how they'll feel if administrations change. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:22:35 AM EDT
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Never saw that coming. But if it kills just one orc!!!!
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:23:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JimEb: Hopefully just a piece of wartime propaganda. Thinking Russia will lose hope knowing their enemy has employed the money cheat code. But then may backfire as Russia knows when they went broke in the cold war. The US is funding every god damn war right now…even opposing sides. How sustainable us that? “Whatever it takes to get reelected”. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:23:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. Buncha Putin Puffers here. Look, do you people want to see T-72s rolling down the Champs-Elysses? Russian being spoken from Lisbon to Helsinki? Russian agents confiscating Form 4473s from hardware stores in rural Colorado? We must give Zelenskyy a trillion no-strings-attached dollars, or the Vatniks will win. In fact, make it two trillion; deficits are irrelevant anyway and the national debt will be paid for by our good friends the Saudis. Besides, we can cut Social Security to pay for it if we need to. Freedom isn't free, and if we don't stand up to the Russkies now then our society will collapse tomorrow. Remember, if it kills one orc then it's all worth it. In for the swooshes... |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:29:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. Buncha Putin Puffers here. Look, do you people want to see T-72s rolling down the Champs-Elysses? Russian being spoken from Lisbon to Helsinki? Russian agents confiscating Form 4473s from hardware stores in rural Colorado? We must give Zelenskyy a trillion no-strings-attached dollars, or the Vatniks will win. In fact, make it two trillion; deficits are irrelevant anyway and the national debt will be paid for by our good friends the Saudis. Besides, we can cut Social Security to pay for it if we need to. Freedom isn't free, and if we don't stand up to the Russkies now then our society will collapse tomorrow. Remember, if it kills one orc then it's all worth it. I'm not sure if this is a troll post or "I smell burnt toast" post.  
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:30:16 AM EDT
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The US would be better off working a deal with Russia to let them have Ukraine for a few trillion dollars over the next 10 years to help pay off the US debt.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:32:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gator: I'm not sure if this is a troll post or "I smell burnt toast" post. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:32:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: Until it is time for American Blood! We round up all of the military aged male illegal aliens currently in the US and ship them straight to Ukraine. At the same time, we start sending the ones we catch at the border straight to Ukraine. This solves the illegal alien problem in the US while providing Ukraine with enough cannon fodder to keep their war going for years. There is no need for Americans to die for Zelinsky when we have a huuuge supply of illegals to send him. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:34:47 AM EDT
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Well, being we spent >$2.4 trillion on our adventures with illiterate mud hut dwellers, so I can see why Zelensky might think we'd spent more than the ~$150 billion we have so far on Ukraine.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:35:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kingfish: What if all this shit is actually to bring down the US? China, India, Iran, N Korea, and some Arab states pumping $ and weapons to Russia? And if we collapsed, economically, as the Soviets did after Afghanistan, wouldn’t all the leftists in our country be overjoyed? They’ll get to start over using their system of governance which looks a lot like communism Cloward Piven strategy? This whole mess has been a scam and a grift since the start. 
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:39:19 AM EDT
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actually, on the surface it looks quite suspect but once you look at the whole strategic value of the bill one realizes that the effect of keeping russia bottled up prevents a runaway iran/china/russia alliance to gain strength and become very dangerous. basically the US has knocked out one leg of a three legged stool, at a very reasonable cost. keep in mind that no money is changing hands, it is mostly tier two weaponry getting sent to Ukraine and the money is being used to manufacture new stocks of ammo and develop new weapon systems. sometimes peace is achieved by indirect means.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:06:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CoconutLaCroix]
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In a few decades the US is going to be a Latin American country. Zelensky needs to make sure he is on good terms with America's future BIPOC leaders to ensure that a portion of the remaining wealth that is being extracting from the white minority is directed to Ukraine and not all of it is spent on domestic reparations and gibs.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:16:25 AM EDT
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Make Russia pay for it.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:25:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barsik: keep in mind that no money is changing hands, it is mostly tier two weaponry getting sent to Ukraine and the money is being used to manufacture new stocks of ammo and develop new weapon systems. From last year: https://www.state.gov/the-united-states-funds-economic-survey-of-ukraine-for-sustainable-recovery/ The United States has thus far contributed $19.25 billion in budget support to enable the Government of Ukraine to pay salaries of first responders and government officials, meet pension obligations, and operate hospitals. The latest package included 8 billion for salaries and pensions https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/21/house-approves-61bn-aid-for-ukraine-what-we-know-so-far-and-what-happens-next Not sure how they pay salaries and pensions without direct cash payments. Are they sending over stacks of gift cards? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:27:10 AM EDT
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Can we get a list of countries getting military aid from the US every year? Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Egypt, Israel, etc, etc, etc.
Why is aid to Ukraine the only problem, why have people not been complaining for years about US aid to Israel? Why have people not been complaining for years about US aid to Egypt? Why is all the hate only for Ukraine? It's really bizarre. It's almost like people are being programmed to attack certain targets while ignoring others. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:27:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C-4: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36246/0B771E5A-A44F-4139-B8F4-195D834A0254-2181690.jpg |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:30:51 AM EDT
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Z will most likely be dead or in a Russian gulag long before 10 years is up.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:31:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:32:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Square66: Z will most likely be dead or in a Russian gulag long before 10 years is up. They can add a line item for future aid packages to add some rubles to Zelensky's commissary account
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:35:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GrinningDag: Boomers did this. Of course . |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:36:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Can we get a list of countries getting military aid from the US every year? Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Egypt, Israel, etc, etc, etc. Why is aid to Ukraine the only problem, why have people not been complaining for years about US aid to Israel? Why have people not been complaining for years about US aid to Egypt? Why is all the hate only for Ukraine? It's really bizarre. It's almost like people are being programmed to attack certain targets while ignoring others. Plenty of death around the world that you haven't had a problem with for years. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:36:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion10182011: Be worth it if we were killing Putin and people like him. As it stands the ones dying on both sides are just young men they would much rather be chasing pussy and getting drunk then dying for some old man in a bunker somewhere. Old men talking and young men dying... You consider Zelensky an old man ? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:37:14 AM EDT
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Dr. Jill Biden retirement plan? I bet Carter outlives her pedopartner.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:37:15 AM EDT
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I do not see how any "agreement" can bind a future congress from deciding to discontinue funding the latest neocon overseas misadventure.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:37:56 AM EDT
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Scheme....they meant scam.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:39:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barsik: actually, on the surface it looks quite suspect but once you look at the whole strategic value of the bill one realizes that the effect of keeping russia bottled up prevents a runaway iran/china/russia alliance to gain strength and become very dangerous. basically the US has knocked out one leg of a three legged stool, at a very reasonable cost. keep in mind that no money is changing hands, it is mostly tier two weaponry getting sent to Ukraine and the money is being used to manufacture new stocks of ammo and develop new weapon systems. sometimes peace is achieved by indirect means.  ...
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:40:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CoconutLaCroix: In a few decades the US is going to be a Latin American country. Zelensky needs to make sure he is on good terms with America's future BIPOC leaders to ensure that a portion of the remaining wealth that is being extracting from the white minority is directed to Ukraine and not all of it is spent on domestic reparations and gibs.  ...
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:42:19 AM EDT
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Where the fuck are the mineral rights? The natural gas rights? What is the collateral that makes it worth our time/money? It's been a one way street, with nothing returning to the people paying for it. If Z were really on the ropes, he'd promise us the world to save his land, yet the clubs thrive, and pensions get paid. It's either a money laundering grift or Biden administration officials are the shittiest negotiators on the planet.
I already know it's a grift, but you would think they'd be smart enough to ask for something to keep the American taxpayer satisfied with the deal. $150 billion-plus interest backstopped by Ukrainian assets sold on the open market with the proceeds going back to the American taxpayer could help end homelessness, fund the VA, and provide free healthcare and higher education opportunities. That kind of stimulation into the SBA could spark new businesses and decrease unemployment. Instead, all we get is inflation and higher costs passed onto the 350,000,000 people paying for the opportunity to get fucked by the 435 elected officials signing off on the cash grab. Has that asshole even offered up anything in return? He's always begging for more but never seems to have anything to sweeten the pot. I guess the dirt on Biden is worth $150 billion to this administration, because they never seem to ask what Z's got to give up for Ukranian freedom. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:43:52 AM EDT
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Good.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:45:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gretel: Capital gains tax increases will be the highest in US history. Not to mention our taxes will go way up again. A national wealth tax will sell to the voters, as long as the PROMISE to exclude debt from your net worth. Promise is all they gotta do, like they did to pass the income tax. Millennials don't have wealth by large, they have debt. I think millennials already know they aren't gonna get shit for inheritance, and will never get out of debt. Think about what would happen to property taxes if it only covered the value of the equity in the home, all else being equal. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:46:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ettelbreck: Where the fuck are the mineral rights? The natural gas rights? What is the collateral that makes it worth our time/money? It's been a one way street, with nothing returning to the people paying for it. If Z were really on the ropes, he'd promise us the world to save his land, yet the clubs thrive, and pensions get paid. It's either a money laundering grift or Biden administration officials are the shittiest negotiators on the planet. I already know it's a grift, but you would think they'd be smart enough to ask for something to keep the American taxpayer satisfied with the deal. $150 billion-plus interest backstopped by Ukrainian assets sold on the open market with the proceeds going back to the American taxpayer could help end homelessness, fund the VA, and provide free healthcare and higher education opportunities. That kind of stimulation into the SBA could spark new businesses and decrease unemployment. Instead, all we get is inflation and higher costs passed onto the 350,000,000 people paying for the opportunity to get fucked by the 435 elected officials signing off on the cash grab. Has that asshole even offered up anything in return? He's always begging for more but never seems to have anything to sweeten the pot. I guess the dirt on Biden is worth $150 billion to this administration, because they never seem to ask what Z's got to give up for Ukranian freedom. 10% for the big guy isn't enough? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:48:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kingfish: What if all this shit is actually to bring down the US? China, India, Iran, N Korea, and some Arab states pumping $ and weapons to Russia? And if we collapsed, economically, as the Soviets did after Afghanistan, wouldn’t all the leftists in our country be overjoyed? They’ll get to start over using their system of governance which looks a lot like communism They've already said that they don't believe in national borders and think the world population should be a tenth of its current levels. If we fall we don't fall alone, and in the resultant social unrest a good percentage of the population would be cut to make their ten percent figure more attainable. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:49:55 AM EDT
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Boy OP you are one extra sharp cookie. It was 10 years ago Russia invaded Crimea. What a coincidence.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:51:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Can we get a list of countries getting military aid from the US every year? Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Egypt, Israel, etc, etc, etc. Why is aid to Ukraine the only problem, why have people not been complaining for years about US aid to Israel? Why have people not been complaining for years about US aid to Egypt? Why is all the hate only for Ukraine? It's really bizarre. It's almost like people are being programmed to attack certain targets while ignoring others. It's not, plenty of people have been complaining about how much the US sends to other countries for years- if you haven't noticed it because you haven't been paying attention, it's not in the media, the government is promoting it while hiding financing in other bills and making it conditions of others, etc. Ukraine is the just the latest and most obvious grift on a long list currently being pushed in our faces by the politicians and their lapdogs who have been doing their best to destroy America for their entire careers. 
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:51:46 AM EDT
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May the sun never fade on this discussion.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:54:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Arty8: Are you OK? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Arty8: Originally Posted By GarandM1: Can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. Buncha Putin Puffers here. Look, do you people want to see T-72s rolling down the Champs-Elysses? Russian being spoken from Lisbon to Helsinki? Russian agents confiscating Form 4473s from hardware stores in rural Colorado? We must give Zelenskyy a trillion no-strings-attached dollars, or the Vatniks will win. In fact, make it two trillion; deficits are irrelevant anyway and the national debt will be paid for by our good friends the Saudis. Besides, we can cut Social Security to pay for it if we need to. Freedom isn't free, and if we don't stand up to the Russkies now then our society will collapse tomorrow. Remember, if it kills one orc then it's all worth it. Are you OK? Is your sarcasm meter ok? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:55:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bulldog1967: May the sun never fade on this discussion.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:01:10 PM EDT
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My opinion its less about Ukraine and more about tapping out the American ecconomy.
Globalist powers need to break the dollar and crush the flame of liberty to usher in what's next. Pretty sure it gets away frim them at some point. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:14:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sh768: Zelensky will be sure to pay us back https://media.tenor.com/RhrwK25DsTIAAAAe/dumb-and-dumber-iou.png Well, genius, one thing is certain, he won't be paying anyone if Ukraine loses. 
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:22:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sjm1582002: I do not see how any "agreement" can bind a future congress from deciding to discontinue funding the latest neocon overseas misadventure. It can’t, it sounds like this will not even be a senate voted on treaty. Looks like it will be an agreement, which is not binding on the next president and will need congressional funding each and every year. I think the next president can just null and void it. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:28:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: Well, genius, one thing is certain, he won't be paying anyone if Ukraine loses. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: Originally Posted By sh768: Zelensky will be sure to pay us back https://media.tenor.com/RhrwK25DsTIAAAAe/dumb-and-dumber-iou.png Well, genius, one thing is certain, he won't be paying anyone if Ukraine loses. Ukraine is running out of bodies to throw at the front lines. Money alone does not win a war. The only chance that Ukraine has to win is with the direct involvement of the US and NATO and we all know what that ultimately means. Are you willing to go that far? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:36:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dsteelman: In the end some Ukrainians will be filthy rich , many poor Ukrainians will be dead , and the rest will loathe the US for the next 100 years . If you’re going to help someone in a war you don’t piecemeal juuuuuust enough equipment to achieve a stalemate and endless death and suffering . You give them enough to win . If it is a draw, it is just a time out for Putin. if Ukraine loses, few will be rich much less alive. Genocide is guaranteed retribution from Putin. We would deserve more than loathing if we just sit and watch the bloodletting. Free, Ukraine can be the wall prootecting Europe from Russia. If Ukraine loses, it becomes the springboard for more aggression. |
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