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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:40:26 AM EDT
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Tipping is for service
Fill my drink, get more water, ask if i need anything. Handing me a bag with cold food is not service. 7-11 guys does it when I buy a slush and beef jerky and says "Thank you very much and come again" |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:41:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnowboundinNH: Yes and no. A lot of restaurants (all the ones my wife worked at) tracked each person's sales to determine how to tax their tips. If my wife had $1,000 in sales, they automatically assumed she made $150 in tips and taxed her on that.  Attached File |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:41:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: If a person comes into a restaurant and orders a takeout order...either from the bartender or a server, that employee then puts the order in the system and eventually takes the payment from the customer. The sale is recorded as part of the total sales of that employee, which the employee has to declare. So yes, the server (or bartender) gets fucked if the customer doesn't tip because they still have to declare the sale. Not saying that you should tip on takeout, but that's what happens. Get it? No I don't get it, sales tax is incurred on that sale there should not be a double tax for an employee sales tax as well |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:42:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: You can only be paid below minimum wage if your total wages end up over minimum wage. Say I was bartending and got paid $2.38/hrs working 6-6 but took home $150 in tips. That shift I averaged $27.38/hrs so my employer doesn't have to pay me anything else. In real life server's that don't make well over minimum wage are usually about to be fired anyway. The employee is required to make up the difference between the tipped minimum wage and the normal minimum wage if tips don't make up the difference. But, if a server works an hour getting paid 2.63, and has a single hundred dollar takeout order that doesn't tip during that hour, 8 dollars will be automatically claimed. On paper, the server made 10.63 that hour, so the employee doesn't have to make up the difference. In reality, that server just made 2.63 and got taxed as though they made 10.63. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:43:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smullen: I mean you read it, then copy pasta'ed it for us... What part don't you understand, this is yet another way the king bends the subjects over. While I don't agree with it, I can sort of understand tipping on reported tips, but to tax on "potential tips" is down right fucked up as they know not everyone tips... In fact so many don't. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smullen: Originally Posted By ctfish15: https://triblive.com/local/regional/western-pennsylvania-restaurant-workers-dish-on-dining-etiquette/ Servers and bartenders have to claim their sales each shift and are taxed based on their sales, not their actual tips. "People don't know if I sell $200 in takeout food, I get taxed on that amount. If I get $5 in tips for takeout, I'm losing money," Demko said. _------------ I don't understand these paragraphs. https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/464/14608107_1180665285312703_1558693314_n.jpg What part don't you understand, this is yet another way the king bends the subjects over. While I don't agree with it, I can sort of understand tipping on reported tips, but to tax on "potential tips" is down right fucked up as they know not everyone tips... In fact so many don't. So what I understand from responses here ... The restaurant accounting system is structuring the assumed tips etc in a way that causes "income" on the server that didn't actually happen. The IRS isn't taxing the sales. That's how I initially read the text of the article, and caused me to wtf. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:45:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWell there it is. I need a reference to the tax code to back up that text wall, but that would explain it |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:46:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: maslin02]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anymanusa: No I don't get it, sales tax is incurred on that sale there should not be a double tax for an employee sales tax as well Tips are taxed. The server would get those tips as cash then declare them when they do their taxes, paying back whatever percentage their tax bracket is. No one did that. They pocketed the $50k in tips a year and paid taxes on their $12k in wages. The IRS shut it down, this is how they did it. Servers are mad they are now taxed on their entire income. If they claimed their tips accurately it would be accurate. But they didn’t, so they assume you get 15% of your “sales” as tips and enter that on the W2. If you make 20% on 90% on your sales and 0% on 10%, 15% is fair. If you make 20% on every sale and they claim 15%, the server is required to report that additional income and pay taxes on it. And they still won’t. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:53:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: If a person comes into a restaurant and orders a takeout order...either from the bartender or a server, that employee then puts the order in the system and eventually takes the payment from the customer. The sale is recorded as part of the total sales of that employee, which the employee has to declare. So yes, the server (or bartender) gets fucked if the customer doesn't tip because they still have to declare the sale. Not saying that you should tip on takeout, but that's what happens. Get it? Is this the unintended consequence of businesses pushing for tips on services that weren't tipped until recently? |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 9:57:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnowboundinNH: Yes they do. Every restaurant my wife worked at tracked her sales and automatically taxed her on 15% tips based on her sales. Thank the IRS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnowboundinNH: Originally Posted By StaccatoC2: Originally Posted By WoodHeat: If a person comes into a restaurant and orders a takeout order...either from the bartender or a server, that employee then puts the order in the system and eventually takes the payment from the customer. The sale is recorded as part of the total sales of that employee, which the employee has to declare. So yes, the server (or bartender) gets fucked if the customer doesn't tip because they still have to declare the sale. Not saying that you should tip on takeout, but that's what happens. Get it? Total BS. The server does not get taxed sales, unless the place is doing something like "we expect your average tip will be 10% so we will just assume you made a 10% tip on every order and report that as your income from tips". And if thats the case I would sure as hell talk to the boss or find another job. Yes they do. Every restaurant my wife worked at tracked her sales and automatically taxed her on 15% tips based on her sales. Thank the IRS. Understandable for waitresses bussing tables but not for employees working the counter or drive thru. They are two different jobs, one with customary tipping and one with no expectation of a tip because there is no personal service. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:08:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lazyengineer]
[#10]
I often will round up or toss a couple bucks on take-out, but that's about it.
I'm a bit "tip please" fatigued - and the new expectation of 20% tipping kinda rates a "fuck you", TBH - especially combined with the double-cost the tab took in the last 3 years. 20% now on twice the value, when it was 15% on half that value? Uh. ... no. My tipping is inversely correlated to the lowest option on that computer. If it doesn't go down to 15%, you get override and something under 15% - if anything. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:08:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 6SJ7GT: Is this the unintended consequence of businesses pushing for tips on services that weren't tipped until recently? No. This is the intended consequence of expecting tip employees to pay the same taxes as hourly and salary employees. What would most people do if the IRS had no idea what you made, you just gave them a number and paid the taxes on that? |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:22:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maslin02: No. This is the intended consequence of expecting tip employees to pay the same taxes as hourly and salary employees. What would most people do if the IRS had no idea what you made, you just gave them a number and paid the taxes on that? Tipping is based on personal service. Drive thru window and fast food counters are not personal service. Many traditional restaurants also share tips with the kitchen staff, how is that shown? |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:26:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dr_Dickie: Nobody, I would think. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dr_Dickie: Originally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Who's tipping on takeout? I tip a small amount, but not as much as I do on table service for the reason mentioned in the article and knowing that it still takes a small amount of time to handle. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:29:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By twistedcomrade: Tough shit. I will not tip for take out. Taco Bell, McDonald's, etc aren't fucking their employees by taxing them for take out orders so other restaurants need to figure this formula out. The fast food workers are almost always paid a higher wage than a tipped server's base wage and are treated differently by the IRS. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:34:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 6SJ7GT: Tipping is based on personal service. Drive thru window and fast food counters are not personal service. Many traditional restaurants also share tips with the kitchen staff, how is that shown? The article is talking about bartenders, not McDonald’s cashiers. The “expectation” is that you’ll make 15% of your sales in tips. Historically (and to this day) the employee had to declare that money in their taxes and pay it back. They didn’t do that, so this system came up. I bought a lot of $3 Bud Lights back in the day and tipped $1 on every one. That’s 33%. I feel so bad that those poor bar tenders paid literally $0 taxes on their $2.50 “wages” that night while taking home $500 cash in tips. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:46:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: If a person comes into a restaurant and orders a takeout order...either from the bartender or a server, that employee then puts the order in the system and eventually takes the payment from the customer. The sale is recorded as part of the total sales of that employee, which the employee has to declare. So yes, the server (or bartender) gets fucked if the customer doesn't tip because they still have to declare the sale. Not saying that you should tip on takeout, but that's what happens. Get it? That;s illegal as a W2 employee. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:52:21 AM EDT
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Eliminate tipping. The satisfaction of the employees should be the company's job, not some fucking add-on, ad hoc job of the random customer who walks into the place and has to digest the company's sales/rent/wage/healthcare model as he's walking up to the counter.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 10:55:53 AM EDT
[#18]
I tip bartenders for take out. Usually they are making $3 an hour and they have to package and bag up your food. That is a lot of service.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:02:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DragoMuseveni]
[#19]
Lots of lots of derp going on here.
To say if an employee sells $200 worth of goods, they pay income tax on that $200.  The business pay income tax on that $200, not the employee. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:04:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LDL7071: You don't know what you're talking about. If a restaurant has one customer in a day, and it's a takeout order with zero tip, the server who rang it in will pay out of pocket. The IRS requires that at least 8% of sales be claimed. If the server doesn't self report, the restaurant is required to claim it for them. Please show me the regs on that. I am curious to read it and see what it is based on. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:06:02 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crazyascanbe: Tipping is for service Fill my drink, get more water, ask if i need anything. Handing me a bag with cold food is not service. 7-11 guys does it when I buy a slush and beef jerky and says "Thank you very much and come again" Making sure your order is correct, boxing and bagging it up for you with the proper condiments and utensils is a service. That server who instead of waiting on sit down customers, is getting taxed for the food you bought while being payed $2.35/hr. You should eat 7-11 more if you're too cheap to pay for your meal at restaurants. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:07:32 AM EDT
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That's likely more restaurant policy because people weren't declaring their tips. When my mom was still working at a restaurant on the strip in Vegas the culinary union had negotiated with the casino what percentage of sales would be declared in tips.
There should definitely be some differentiation between sitdown and takeout. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:08:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Who’s tipping on takeout? I give them a buck or 2 if it's ready when I get there and they are nice |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:09:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: maslin02]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Lots of lots of derp going on here. To say if an employee sells $200 worth of goods, they pay income tax on that $200. The business pay income tax on that $200, not the employee. They don’t pay income tax on the $200. They are flagged for a $30 tip (on the Tips line on the W2) and taxed on the $30. 50 years of waiters pocketing tips and not declaring it on the taxes led to this. They brought it on themselves. If you can’t average 15% in tips over your shift you should find a different job. If they average 15% in tips over the entire year then their wages are reported accurately, like a regular W2 employee. If they average over 15% then they need to report the additional money and pay taxes on it out of pocket. If they average under 15% they are paying more in taxes than they should and need a different job. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:11:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VarmintKilla: This story makes no sense. As far as the person claiming their check sometimes comes out to be zero, I don't believe that at all. If they get paid $2.83/hr plus tips, but don't make minimum wage, I thought the employer was required to pay the employer minimum wage, at least. Maybe I'm wrong as I'm no employment law expert. The paychecks are often 0 at a tipped job it all gets taxed. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:21:56 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: I often will round up or toss a couple bucks on take-out, but that's about it. I'm a bit "tip please" fatigued - and the new expectation of 20% tipping kinda rates a "fuck you", TBH - especially combined with the double-cost the tab took in the last 3 years. 20% now on twice the value, when it was 15% on half that value? Uh. ... no. My tipping is inversely correlated to the lowest option on that computer. If it doesn't go down to 15%, you get override and something under 15% - if anything. Yeah cause that asshole server programs the fucking POS system |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:24:11 AM EDT
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Kimberly Smith of Tarentum is just looking for a little respect.
A restaurant server for more than 15 years, Smith works lunch and dinner shifts at J.G.’s Tarentum Station Grille in Tarentum several days a week and said she’s often discouraged by how some customers treat waitstaff. “Most customers don’t realize servers often have college degrees,” said Smith, who earned a bachelor’s degree in business management and marketing. “I found this is my career path that I do best in.” I can see waiting tables to fill in some income gaps but it seems an odd career path with a degree in hand. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:24:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: If a person comes into a restaurant and orders a takeout order...either from the bartender or a server, that employee then puts the order in the system and eventually takes the payment from the customer. The sale is recorded as part of the total sales of that employee, which the employee has to declare. So yes, the server (or bartender) gets fucked if the customer doesn't tip because they still have to declare the sale. Not saying that you should tip on takeout, but that's what happens. Get it? So my takeout order of $40 is the same as a waiters wages for tax purposes? |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:26:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Hamel]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ctfish15: Well there it is. I need a reference to the tax code to back up that text wall, but that would explain it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ctfish15: Well there it is. I need a reference to the tax code to back up that text wall, but that would explain it I'm guessing that is in conjunction or addition to the fact that if they don't make enough tips to meet min wage, then employer makes up the difference there also. ETA-Now the quote is also from the restaurant owner....SO if she's talking about that from an owners perspective it makes more sense. She (as the owner) is covering the tips (8% IRS required) on takeouts when customers don't tip. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:26:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: Kimberly Smith of Tarentum is just looking for a little respect. A restaurant server for more than 15 years, Smith works lunch and dinner shifts at J.G.’s Tarentum Station Grille in Tarentum several days a week and said she’s often discouraged by how some customers treat waitstaff. “Most customers don’t realize servers often have college degrees,” said Smith, who earned a bachelor’s degree in business management and marketing. “I found this is my career path that I do best in.” I can see waiting tables to fill in some income gaps but it seems an odd career path with a degree in hand. It can be tough to beat the income of being a server. Add in that you can work 4 to 5 hours a night and be able to watch your kids during the day and let hubby take over when you go to work... |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:43:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maslin02: No. This is the intended consequence of expecting tip employees to pay the same taxes as hourly and salary employees. What would most people do if the IRS had no idea what you made, you just gave them a number and paid the taxes on that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maslin02: Originally Posted By 6SJ7GT: Is this the unintended consequence of businesses pushing for tips on services that weren't tipped until recently? No. This is the intended consequence of expecting tip employees to pay the same taxes as hourly and salary employees. What would most people do if the IRS had no idea what you made, you just gave them a number and paid the taxes on that? That is sort of how it works. You admit to whatever income or sales you admit to, and the fIRS tries to prove otherwise. They have an entire industry devoted to submitting 87000 forms to try to document every penny that moves in the economy, but there's a few places where they have to trust you. Cash under the table employees, people who sell shit on FBM or the Mile High Flea Market, and tips are about what's left. I don't really get offended by tax cheats. The only time they bother me is when they advocate for my paying more. Those people get all of the love that I used to give the mask Karens when I caught them not washing their hands before returning to work. (Fuck them, they helped build this world, they can live in it too.) |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:56:50 AM EDT
[#32]
I never tip on take away food.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:59:28 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: Kimberly Smith of Tarentum is just looking for a little respect. A restaurant server for more than 15 years, Smith works lunch and dinner shifts at J.G.’s Tarentum Station Grille in Tarentum several days a week and said she’s often discouraged by how some customers treat waitstaff. “Most customers don’t realize servers often have college degrees,” said Smith, who earned a bachelor’s degree in business management and marketing. “I found this is my career path that I do best in.” I can see waiting tables to fill in some income gaps but it seems an odd career path with a degree in hand. I'm the GIS coordinator for a mid-sized telecom. I have two degrees from a top-50 world university, and I'm paid well. I'm also bartender a night a week at a decent restaurant. If I were to bartend full-time, I would make more than I do at my "real" job. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:01:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: That;s illegal as a W2 employee. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: Originally Posted By WoodHeat: If a person comes into a restaurant and orders a takeout order...either from the bartender or a server, that employee then puts the order in the system and eventually takes the payment from the customer. The sale is recorded as part of the total sales of that employee, which the employee has to declare. So yes, the server (or bartender) gets fucked if the customer doesn't tip because they still have to declare the sale. Not saying that you should tip on takeout, but that's what happens. Get it? That;s illegal as a W2 employee. What is illegal as a W2 employee? |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:04:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: Please show me the regs on that. I am curious to read it and see what it is based on. https://www.irs.gov/faqs/interest-dividends-other-types-of-income/tips/tips |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:06:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By warlord: I never tip on take away food. Even at sit down restaurants where the server (that does everything for your order except cook the food) who makes $2.35/hr and is getting taxed for the food YOU buy? |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:09:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By centrarchidae: I don't care. If I don't sit at a table and have you bringing me stuff, I'm not tipping. Oh, and I don't even believe the story in the first place. The restaurant may pay taxes on sales but bullshit this individual employee does. 20 years ago I worked in a sit down restaurant that did a ton of to go orders. It was included in server sales and went against what you should be tipped on average according to the IRS. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:10:46 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Who's tipping on takeout? Not me. I don't tip for carryout or fast food. Unless I'm sitting down, you're taking my order, bringing it to me, and refilling my drinks as needed you're probably not getting a tip at a restaurant. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:11:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: maslin02]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pocketpkn: Even at sit down restaurants where the server (that does everything for your order except cook the food) who makes $2.35/hr and is getting taxed for the food YOU buy? They’re getting taxed for the tip they receive, because it’s income. They aren’t getting taxed on your $200 meal, they’re getting taxed on the $30 tip you left. Because it’s income. The rub is they’re getting taxed on $30 if you tip $0 or $2000. The 20% tips make up for the 10% tips and you should be even at the end of the day. Taking one transaction and making an issue of it is disingenuous. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:16:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hamel: But it also says the employer must make up the difference if the required claimed 8% isn't met, so they aren't "losing" money. I'm guessing that is in conjunction or addition to the fact that if they don't make enough tips to meet min wage, then employer makes up the difference there also. ETA-Now the quote is also from the restaurant owner....SO if she's talking about that from an owners perspective it makes more sense. She (as the owner) is covering the tips (8% IRS required) on takeouts when customers don't tip. No, a takeout order that doesn't tip literally costs the server money. They would make more money if the takeout order didn't happen. If the guest doesn't tip, (at least) 8% of that sale are getting reported as a tip and taxed as income. The server is going to make minimum wage regardless, but they will be taxed on 8 percent of that order even if there's no tip. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:18:41 PM EDT
[#41]
So, they don't have the option of keeping a tip log?
https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/tip-recordkeeping-and-reporting |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:21:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Scratch45]
[#42]
I tip on takeout.
Generously, at my regular places. but I tip more better when I eat at a restaurant. I tip a buck or two when I get a coffee from a barista. I do not eat fast food, but I don't think I would tip them. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:22:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: maslin02]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LDL7071: No, a takeout order that doesn't tip literally costs the server money. They would make more money if the takeout order didn't happen. If the guest doesn't tip, (at least) 8% of that sale are getting reported as a tip and taxed as income. The server is going to make minimum wage regardless, but they will be taxed on 8 percent of that order even if there's no tip. What about the 40% tip the drunk guy left that they’re also paying 8% on? It’s an average. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:22:26 PM EDT
[#44]
Don’t gnaw on my leg to get your money. Take it up with the ones who write your store policy, or the ones who write the tax code.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:25:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ctfish15: https://triblive.com/local/regional/western-pennsylvania-restaurant-workers-dish-on-dining-etiquette/ Servers and bartenders have to claim their sales each shift and are taxed based on their sales, not their actual tips. “People don’t know if I sell $200 in takeout food, I get taxed on that amount. If I get $5 in tips for takeout, I’m losing money,” Demko said. _------------ I don't understand these paragraphs. https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/464/14608107_1180665285312703_1558693314_n.jpg Way back in the day, you declared your cash tips at the end of a shift, for tax reasons. Then it shifted over to systems that automatically claimed 20% of cash sales as income. Since no one tips on carryout, nor should they, if someone pays for carryout in cash, server gets taxed as though they got a 20% cash tip. Tipping is stupid, taxes are stupid, American model of running restaurants is stupid. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:27:40 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maslin02: What about the 40% tip the drunk guy left that they’re also paying 8% on? It’s an average. But if the no-tip takeout order hadn't happened, they would be making more money, regardless of whether or not there was a large tip on another order. Not tipping on a takeout order literally costs the server money. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:28:57 PM EDT
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PA does sales tax on any food you can eat without preparation on your part. You cook it at home, no tax. Someone else cooks it for you to eat, sales tax.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:29:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LDL7071: I'm the GIS coordinator for a mid-sized telecom. I have two degrees from a top-50 world university, and I'm paid well. I'm also bartender a night a week at a decent restaurant. If I were to bartend full-time, I would make more than I do at my "real" job. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LDL7071: Originally Posted By DVCER: Kimberly Smith of Tarentum is just looking for a little respect. A restaurant server for more than 15 years, Smith works lunch and dinner shifts at J.G.’s Tarentum Station Grille in Tarentum several days a week and said she’s often discouraged by how some customers treat waitstaff. “Most customers don’t realize servers often have college degrees,” said Smith, who earned a bachelor’s degree in business management and marketing. “I found this is my career path that I do best in.” I can see waiting tables to fill in some income gaps but it seems an odd career path with a degree in hand. I'm the GIS coordinator for a mid-sized telecom. I have two degrees from a top-50 world university, and I'm paid well. I'm also bartender a night a week at a decent restaurant. If I were to bartend full-time, I would make more than I do at my "real" job. Yeah I was a full time server and then bartender for years. I could work 4 nights a week, 24 hours, and make more than my retail manager job, EASY. High 5 figures for 24hrs a week. But alas, I'm an alcoholic and pouring drinks all night probably won't be conducive to maintaining sobriety  |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:31:29 PM EDT
[#49]
The only time I tip on takeout is the local Chinese restaurant. Their food is the best I've ever had and they're damn fast making it.
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Posted: 4/26/2024 12:31:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maslin02: What about the 40% tip the drunk guy left that they’re also paying 8% on? It’s an average. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maslin02: Originally Posted By LDL7071: No, a takeout order that doesn't tip literally costs the server money. They would make more money if the takeout order didn't happen. If the guest doesn't tip, (at least) 8% of that sale are getting reported as a tip and taxed as income. The server is going to make minimum wage regardless, but they will be taxed on 8 percent of that order even if there's no tip. What about the 40% tip the drunk guy left that they’re also paying 8% on? It’s an average. If drunk guy tips 40% on his credit card, the whole thing is taxed. Its only the cash tips that cannot be verified that are subjected to the 8% rule. |
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