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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:10:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wrc777: I am 47 and right there with you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wrc777: Originally Posted By Denwad: I'm 34 and I don't see a future either , and I'm pretty set. I fear for my daughter, her siblings and their future kids. I am 47 and right there with you. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:18:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Codyboy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fxntime: That dog of yours in your avitar............well, it's almost the spittin image of my old gal. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32224/20220131_161315_jpg-3199259.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By mancat: I bought my house at 28 in 2012 when the real estate market was in the dump. I bought it for half of what the original owner paid to have it built. It's now worth at least twice that (and four times what I paid) and interest rates are a joke now. The average 28 year old today can't even afford a "starter" house. I feel for them. Shit sucks. By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. The problem with making money in the trades is that you have to WORK. You can't wait for some other guy to do your job because it isn't getting done. You can't be on the phone 1/2 the day and expect to move up. Money is in the OT. Time and a half and DT after hours and weekend brings in the coin. What you have to learn though is just how hard to push yourself, push to hard, work to much and to long constantly and you end up screwing your body up, not enough and you'll struggle to get ahead. Find that sweet spot and you'll have a decent life. I don't see that as a PROBLEM. That's just called work. That dog of yours in your avitar............well, it's almost the spittin image of my old gal. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32224/20220131_161315_jpg-3199259.JPG That's Cody. He lived to about 16 I think. His favorite thing was catching a kicked football on the first bounce.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:20:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: The one that buys their college debts for me to pay off? If we made all the changes necessary for our money to become real money again today, and started paying off the debt today, and stopped spending money on stupid shit, today, you would still have to live into the next century, still paying taxes, for any money that ever belonged to you to pay for anyone's student loans. The share of the money which was, is, or ever will be yours was already spent a long time ago. It was probably spent on something at least as stupid as writing off predatory student loans. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:23:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: We already established that industrial electrician doesn't belong on this list. Its not one of the worst, but its not among the best either. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Originally Posted By lokifox: Specific trades are fantastic. Lineman, Subs, HVAC (owner-operator), industrial electrician, comms, almost forgot automation... Automation guys are doing great right now. I'm guilty of using "trades" as a catch all but anyone with half a brain should know that trying to compete with Mexican roofing crews and framers is a waste of time. If you're too stupid to understand that, you probably shouldn't be in the trades.  We already established that industrial electrician doesn't belong on this list. Its not one of the worst, but its not among the best either. Some of the guys I know doing it are making $130k base. Job sites are full of shit. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:26:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lokifox: Some of the guys I know doing it are making $130k base. Job sites are full of shit. Job sites match what I observe IRL. You know guys making $62.50/hr? As in multiple? Where? |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:28:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Job sites match what I observe IRL. You know guys making $62.50/hr? As in multiple? Where? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Originally Posted By lokifox: Some of the guys I know doing it are making $130k base. Job sites are full of shit. Job sites match what I observe IRL. You know guys making $62.50/hr? As in multiple? Where? Power generation. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:31:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lokifox: Power generation. https://careers.smud.org/job/Sacramento-Journey-Lineworker-CA-95827-3824/1156758400/ $77/hr is not enough for me to live and work behind enemy lines in kali (fuck kali  ) but there's a data point for you, big shooter.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:32:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towgunner11H: All by design. It's the global agenda. It's up to us. Nobody is coming, and no one else is armed. Well stated and succinctly put. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:34:49 PM EDT
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They don't see a future because it requires work, dedication, and wisdom. Things they as a group lack. They will always take the easy highway rather than the less-traveled Freedom Road. To be clear, they are not the only generation to do so. They are just the largest generation to be raised that way.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:37:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lokifox: Power generation. Okay that seems like a plausible explanation for being at roughly 200% of average. Thank you for being specific. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:38:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By catrepair: The current leadership clearly isn't helping the situation Did you seriously believe they would? They want chaos, not freedom. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:41:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MADMAXXX: Yet they continue to vote Democrat.  Thread!!!... |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:46:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runcible: That's because, for them, there isn't one. Young people today are proper fucked. BS Propaganda. Did Putin or Xi pay you to say that? There is always a way if you want it. The Left doesn't want it. This generation was not taught a work ethic. They were not taught a faith ethic. They were not taught at all, they were entertained. It may not be their fault but they must learn to overcome. My teenage grandchildren all have jobs and they are not even adults yet. Do you realize how rare that is today or how common it was before the 60s? |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:49:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Underaid702: fuck em... its probably cause they expect everything to be handed to them.. How else do you establish a culture of entitlement? Fifty-five % of our budget covers entitlements and it is growing as well as our debt. How do you think it can be changed without pain and sacrifice? |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:49:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gmtech]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: In what trade(s)? Where? Be specific. Refrigeration technician Lineman Heavy equipment mechanic Electrician Plumber Equipment operator Elevator mechanic Roughneck I know young guys in everyone of those trades all making over 150k, some a lot more . I could go on and on hell, I know a dent removal guy making 200k a year . In the trades you gota work hard and make hay when the sun shines but there's usually no college debt for a useless degree that tops out at 80k . Virtually all the trades are in a vacuume with two new guys for every 5 retiring. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:52:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scrambler28: In my 20's I envisioned boats and hoes, that didn't quite come to fruition. Lol I did, that is why I left my hometown at 18 and never moved back. If you want a future, you have to make your own. No one is going to do it for you. There is no yellow-brick road. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:53:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Lineman make good money, but they pay for it in other ways. My dad has been doing it for 20 something years. I can remember all the times he left early from important events because OT was calling. Showed me good work ethic, but he always said go to school so you don’t have to do this shit for a living. Juice ain’t worth the squeeze in my experience. Yet... those guys aren't on here whining about not making enough money . |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:54:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Depends. Some of my generation fits the typical GD assumption of what a Gen Z is. Some don’t. Me and my friends think things suck right now, but we know we’ve got to make shit work somehow. That being said, 10 out of 10 would not recommend trying to get a good life started right now. Don't take a general reference personally. It wasn't about the exceptions. The deadbeats outnumber you. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:56:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KillerDyller: Buying your first house would suck big time ass right now/thread Buying a house is always about market timing. Now is the time to save, not spend. Find the grove and ride it. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:57:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: eagarminuteman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gmtech: Yet... those guys aren't on here whining about not making enough money . Cool? I’m an engineering college student starting work with a Fortune 200 company in 2 weeks. My time is coming. Also that doesn’t disprove shit about what I said. It’s a career like any other, the pay is good but the work-life balance is terrible. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:01:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gmtech: Refrigeration technician Lineman Heavy equipment mechanic Electrician Plumber Equipment operator Elevator mechanic Roughneck I know young guys in everyone of those trades all making over 150k, some a lot more . I could go on and on hell, I know a dent removal guy making 200k a year . In the trades you gota work hard and make hay when the sun shines but there's usually no college debt for a useless degree that tops out at 80k . Virtually all the trades are in a vacuumed with two new guys for every 5 retiring. Now we are talking specifics.  What companies are paying roughnecks over 150k and are currently hiring? (You don't have to tell me its either offshore or some place thats almost too cold to drill at all, I already know that) |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:10:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Now we are talking specifics. What companies are paying roughnecks over 150k and are currently hiring? (You don't have to tell me its either offshore or some place thats almost too cold to drill at all, I already know that) Do the math on overtime and get back to me or maybe pick another category. Your defeatist attitude is really what holds you back. That and not really wanting to work for your future . I'm simply pointing out to you and the other whiners here that it can be done if you don't mind " WORKING " for it . |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:20:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Cool? I’m an engineering college student starting work with a Fortune 200 company in 2 weeks. My time is coming. Also that doesn’t disprove shit about what I said. It’s a career like any other, the pay is good but the work-life balance is terrible. Good for you . I’ve met plenty of engineers in my trade that arent worth a shit and who never made the money I made . Did you pay for your education or did someone else ? How much student debt do you have ? All those examples I gave are under 30 years old with no student debt . They didn't have a meal ticket to punch for college so they went to work. They're money goes in their own pocket, not to student debt . If they don't do idiot things, they will all retire millionaires in their mid fifties with pensions and some with lifetime medical . The time and money you spent on a degree that may or may not pay well went into their pockets early. You've got some catching up to do, good luck . |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:26:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gmtech: Good for you . I’ve met plenty of engineers in my trade that arent worth a shit and who never made the money I made . Did you pay for your education or did someone else ? How much student debt do you have ? All those examples I gave are under 30 years old with no student debt . They didn't have a meal ticket to punch for college so they went to work. They're money goes in their own pocket, not to student debt . If they don't do idiot things, they will all retire millionaires in their mid fifties with pensions and some with lifetime medical . The time and money you spent on a degree that may or may not pay well went into their pockets early. You've got some catching up to do, good luck . 20k is what I have. Less than ideal but not as much as other people. It’ll be paid off within my first year of working. And the rest has been self funded, my parents kicked me out at 18, haven’t given me a dime financially. The trades were an option for me, but once I got married and we started talking kids, I decided against it. Not putting them through my childhood. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:36:55 PM EDT
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Son is doing pretty well as a milli vanilli, mid 130's, just had an offer for 150 or so but he is working on some stuff he wants his name on where he as at and he gets pretty good bonuses. Downside is housing is stupid priced and property taxes even worse. No debt, masters, hundreds of K into retirement and investment funds already, some are readily available [not the retirement stuff] so if he does decide to buy, he will have cash.
He's done pretty good for himself and I'm very happy, not a much better feeling then to see your kids doing more then just survive financially nowadays. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:39:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: If we made all the changes necessary for our money to become real money again today, and started paying off the debt today, and stopped spending money on stupid shit, today, you would still have to live into the next century, still paying taxes, for any money that ever belonged to you to pay for anyone's student loans. The share of the money which was, is, or ever will be yours was already spent a long time ago. It was probably spent on something at least as stupid as writing off predatory student loans. Embrace complexity collapse and the inevitable return to agrarian. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:55:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Agilt: BOOTSTRAPS! Indeed, it is totally reasonable for someone living outside of Dumas, TX to commute to Mont Belvieu just down the road a piece for some more money. Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Some days I'm very, very busy. Wont post on arf. no reading, no streaming anime, barely have time to microwave a meal. When 12 hours is over I take a shower and go straight to sleep. I've had rig hands tell me I'm an idiot for agreeing to work like that for what we get paid per hour. Today...I'm looking out my lab window at a rig that is not going to do anything that requires new action from me for at least another 12 hours. I have some paperwork to do, but not enough that I can't...take a break here and there. Originally Posted By BillofRights: The side that promises MORE FREE SHIT. We, the People, Love Free Shit. I wish the Republicans would promise Free Abortions, Free Weed, Free Stimmy Checks, Free Porn, Free UBI, Free Immigration, Free Housing Free Education and Free Cars. Take control of every branch, and then simply renege and fire every anti-Constitution bureaucrat in Government service. Investigate the Media and every other anti American institution. Clean house. Beat the Democrats at their own game. They have to do something, because playing by the Queens rules is a losing game. You know who loves free shit? Boomers. Look at the increase in $0 Medicare Advantage plans and all the supplemental benefits added. With the Part A trust being drawn down, fun times are coming because the bill will come due. One way or another, it will be paid. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:56:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: Did you seriously believe they would? They want chaos, not freedom. Chaos is inevitable and it was perpetrated by both sides. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:58:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: I did, that is why I left my hometown at 18 and never moved back. If you want a future, you have to make your own. No one is going to do it for you. There is no yellow-brick road. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: Originally Posted By scrambler28: In my 20's I envisioned boats and hoes, that didn't quite come to fruition. Lol I did, that is why I left my hometown at 18 and never moved back. If you want a future, you have to make your own. No one is going to do it for you. There is no yellow-brick road. Fuck leaving a conservative farm to kill and die for a trans infested globohomo military then selling your soul to a soulless international corporation. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:59:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gmtech: Do the math on overtime and get back to me or maybe pick another category. Your defeatist attitude is really what holds you back. That and not really wanting to work for your future . I'm simply pointing out to you and the other whiners here that it can be done if you don't mind " WORKING " for it . TeHe this guy doesn't know about the oil bust that's coming. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 2:04:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: Which is the point when anecdotes are being generalized to an entire field or industry. One reason so many are out of touch. I’m sitting in my office today working on a paper for the Board of Directors. I’ll likely be here all weekend. Taking breaks is good because it lets my mind refresh. You know who loves free shit? Boomers. Look at the increase in $0 Medicare Advantage plans and all the supplemental benefits added. With the Part A trust being drawn down, fun times are coming because the bill will come due. One way or another, it will be paid. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By Agilt: BOOTSTRAPS! Indeed, it is totally reasonable for someone living outside of Dumas, TX to commute to Mont Belvieu just down the road a piece for some more money. Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Some days I'm very, very busy. Wont post on arf. no reading, no streaming anime, barely have time to microwave a meal. When 12 hours is over I take a shower and go straight to sleep. I've had rig hands tell me I'm an idiot for agreeing to work like that for what we get paid per hour. Today...I'm looking out my lab window at a rig that is not going to do anything that requires new action from me for at least another 12 hours. I have some paperwork to do, but not enough that I can't...take a break here and there. Originally Posted By BillofRights: The side that promises MORE FREE SHIT. We, the People, Love Free Shit. I wish the Republicans would promise Free Abortions, Free Weed, Free Stimmy Checks, Free Porn, Free UBI, Free Immigration, Free Housing Free Education and Free Cars. Take control of every branch, and then simply renege and fire every anti-Constitution bureaucrat in Government service. Investigate the Media and every other anti American institution. Clean house. Beat the Democrats at their own game. They have to do something, because playing by the Queens rules is a losing game. You know who loves free shit? Boomers. Look at the increase in $0 Medicare Advantage plans and all the supplemental benefits added. With the Part A trust being drawn down, fun times are coming because the bill will come due. One way or another, it will be paid. You think all those medicare supplemental plans and such are free? Bwa HAHAHAHAHAHA! What you SHOULD be pissed about as should all age groups, is the ridiculous pricing for those who pay even with insurance. Some illegal alien shitting out kids costs them nothing, insurance companies make a ton off premiums and pay VERY reduced prices on everything even while overcharging on medicine costs over what they pay. The entire medical and health insurance system is nothing but deceit, fraud, obfuscation, sneaky billing, late billing, "who the hell was this?" billing, double billing, collections billing when you never even got a bill to begin with, and ridiculous prices to begin with. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 2:26:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brasscrossedrifles]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gmtech: Do the math on overtime and get back to me or maybe pick another category. Your defeatist attitude is really what holds you back. That and not really wanting to work for your future . I'm simply pointing out to you and the other whiners here that it can be done if you don't mind " WORKING " for it . I asked you a very specific question. You made a claim that sounds kinda sus but could actually be beneficial to acquaintances of mine if its true (especially the $150k part, that would be a really nice raise). If you do, in fact, know of a company that is hiring instead of laying off, there are some good roughnecks Im acquainted with that would appreciate the lead, on account of how they just got laid off. Or you can keep it a secret. I'm sure they will be fine. I also know how to do the math for overtime on hitch scheduling in the oilfield just fine. Thanks. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 2:47:20 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow: Embrace complexity collapse and the inevitable return to agrarian.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 2:49:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fxntime: You think all those medicare supplemental plans and such are free? Bwa HAHAHAHAHAHA! What you SHOULD be pissed about as should all age groups, is the ridiculous pricing for those who pay even with insurance. Some illegal alien shitting out kids costs them nothing, insurance companies make a ton off premiums and pay VERY reduced prices on everything even while overcharging on medicine costs over what they pay. The entire medical and health insurance system is nothing but deceit, fraud, obfuscation, sneaky billing, late billing, "who the hell was this?" billing, double billing, collections billing when you never even got a bill to begin with, and ridiculous prices to begin with. That's why I insist on having a non college indoctrinated doctor on my staff at my compound. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 2:53:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Try just Melatonin. No booze. 5 or 10 mg. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Originally Posted By BlackTaco: Originally Posted By PORK_REAP3R: Right you are. I lurk on ARFCOM because of like minded people and I do it to unwind my mind a bit. The rest of the time, I own the business and I live and breathe it. Countless 2AM thoughts keep me awake nearly every night. A lot of folks want to knock the owner for this or that. For the car they drive or house they built, etc. What they don't understand, is the owner is always "on". The business is their life, 24/7/365, there is no down time, it is ALWAYS on your mind. It takes a commitment and risk that many are not willing to participate in. My livelihood is at risk every single day, especially in the world of aviation. It can all crumble in a single day, and that's the risk I take, but I also take a good reward when able. This, 1000%. I’m very late to this conversation, but I had an employee walk into my office today, and ask me how my day was going. I explained “so/so” wish it was better, but could be worse. He asked if I can turn off my brain when I get home and not think about work - I laughed out loud and said no, it’s 24-7/365.. I explained exactly what you mentioned. He didn’t believe me. As a business owner with $850K a month in operating costs, I’m thinking about how to continue every day safely and efficiently and have put a lot on the line, but also rewarded - but still not as comfortable as I’d like to be. The last year we’ve broke even every month. Year prior was a cash cow. Some years I sleep better than others. This year I’m drinking a glass or two of whiskey before bed every night and popping a sleeping pill so my mind quits racing. Haven’t seen business this tough since 2008/2009. Try just Melatonin. No booze. 5 or 10 mg. Beta advice. To key to a healthy life is cardiovascular exercise, not a reliance on supplements. if you can't sleep, your body isn't tired enough, generally speaking. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 2:58:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow: Embrace complexity collapse and the inevitable return to agrarian. My body is ready. Just picked up a Geo Metro in St. Germain red. One used Hankook tire was just installed. Traded the tech 4x film roll canisters full of dryer lint, of course. Ready to drive around Barstow-Las Vegas dirt paths in search of natural water wells. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 2:58:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: $10/hr was pretty good starting pay in 2000. Sounds like your best friend has a terrible attitude. My issue is not with being polite, punctual, and detail oriented. I do these things every day. They are part of the reason I'm one of the last people still working where I'm working as opposed to laid off or fired. My issue is with the idea that that's all you gotta do. There is so much other stuff you have to do. Another issue I have is the idea that "you just gotta be your own boss". What are we taking that to be the minimum criteria for? Is this going to be the minimum criteria to be able to afford to have a family? (That's where we are headed) Not everyone has the aptitude for running a business. Yeah, its cool that you have the aptitude for that, congrats. What about the 70 employees you have? How many of them do you pay enough that any living situation besides living with their parents or splitting a 2 bdr/1bth apartment with another childless bachelor isn't a profoundly stupid and irresponsible idea? BTW, depending on location, in 2024 dollars the threshold for that somewhere around $80k. In some places its well over $100k. Just before taking the $10hr office job in 2000 I was making $9.00hr after HighSchool working 6-11pm in a warehouse. 1yr prior to that I was a sophomore skate boarding to work making $8.00hr as a pizza supervisor - started there 1yr prior making $5.00hr as a dishwasher when minimum wage was $4.50. My manager offered me $8.00hr to wash dishes because she didn’t need to hire 2 people….I passed and took the pizza making job for $7.00…instead - then bumped up… Over the past 10 years, I’ve helped multiple employees that I hired in at just above minimum wage, and had doubled or tripled their pay after I saw their worth, and helped them buy their first houses at 20-30yrs old. I have a handful of employees still with me today that started just above minimum wage, and are making $70-$100K a yr, all employees with zero college experience, and just coming to do a 9-5 position. Do I still employ a bunch of folks at $16hr - yes, I do. Because it’s the no-brainer grunt work literally any human body can do easily. There are multiple salary levels, you have to start somewhere. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 2:59:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Try just Melatonin. No booze. 5 or 10 mg. Thx! I did, and had absolutely horrific nightmares - woke up screaming. I’m using the $10.00 bottle Amazon Sleep Aid. I take half a pill every night with a glass of whiskey - it does the trick with no side effects. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:01:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scalped: My body is ready. Just picked up a Geo Metro in St. Germain red. One used Hankook tire was just installed. Traded the tech 4x film roll canisters full of dryer lint, of course. Ready to drive around Barstow-Las Vegas dirt paths in search of natural water wells. i'll allow it. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:01:39 PM EDT
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Their Daddy (The Government) keeps printing money and devaluing the dollar to get votes and now it's almost impossible to live unless you have a great job.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:03:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Well said, and this is what the complainers in every thread don’t understand: Their Own Negativity is a Self Fulfilling Prophesy. I wish I could find a better, more persuasive way to say it, but they are literally Choosing to live an unhappy, mediocre life, through their everyday thoughts, habits and actions. It’s a fascinating topic. How does one improve their own attitude? I don’t really know if it’s even possible. Some people have the right attributes, and some don’t. Can the losers adopt self discipline, and motivation, enough to change the path they are on? When you think of it, it’s the most important question of our lives. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Originally Posted By BlackTaco: Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Congrats Wrong. There's lots of different trades. They don't all pay the same. Everyone who just says "go learn a trade" without being specific is usually just some managerial boomer talking out of their ass, or sometimes they were a tradie a long time ago and don't realize how badly what you can make, regardless of W2 vs. 1099, has tracked compared to inflation over the last 40 years. Some trades have done better than others, and you can make piles of money if you are on your own. Some are just cooked, and it is outright malicious to knowingly advise young people to go into them. This is why I keep saying "be specific". I've never been surprised when someone either couldn't be specific or if when they did, it's a quick Google search you can determine either wages as a W2 or figure out common rates and cross check that to material costs (thus potential earning as a contractor) and establish very quickly they are full of shit. As for your house, stuff costs what it costs. You know why you can't find anyone who is polite, punctual, and detail oriented in residential construction trades to work on your house? Because at the end of the year they will end up making about the same amount of money, with or without your business. Without your business, they will start next calendar year less overbooked by however many hours your project would have taken. The only incentive they have to be any of those things is personal pride and not wanting to disappoint grandma. This directly contradicts "just be polite, punctual, and detail oriented" and acknowledges there's a whole bunch of other character traits required to "get ahead" and they aren't necessarily all pro social. Doesn’t contradict his statement one bit. With what he mentioned, along with being polite, punctual, and detail oriented - you get a successful business owner. There’s so much shitty customer service in this country, becoming better than most is pretty easy. If “other character traits” refers to working your ass off, finding solutions rather than excuses, then sure, you’re right, guess those traits are pretty far and few between these days. Excuses everywhere, can’t stand them. 24yrs ago when I started with the company I now own, (20ish employees then, 70 now)….I was making $10.00hr, along with my best friend. He decided to have the “fuck the man”, “fuck going above and beyond”, “pay me more money first, then I’ll do better” attitude….and it literally stoped his advancement. Then it pissed him off because he stayed at the bottom…and, he’s still at the bottom at 44 yrs old….. and I own the company, have multiple properties/investments/ etc - and he’s a stay at home dad with silly side gigs to get by, and still angry at the world. Shitty attitudes deliver shitty results. Well said, and this is what the complainers in every thread don’t understand: Their Own Negativity is a Self Fulfilling Prophesy. I wish I could find a better, more persuasive way to say it, but they are literally Choosing to live an unhappy, mediocre life, through their everyday thoughts, habits and actions. It’s a fascinating topic. How does one improve their own attitude? I don’t really know if it’s even possible. Some people have the right attributes, and some don’t. Can the losers adopt self discipline, and motivation, enough to change the path they are on? When you think of it, it’s the most important question of our lives. I very much agree with you. What I’ve seen over the years being surrounded with extremely successful people, but also a lot on non-successful people, is the ability to always find positivity and gravitate towards it. A lot of people gravitate towards negativity, I do not understand it, and I’ve always chosen to remove those people from my life. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:04:25 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Anonymoose1: Indeed. It is far easier to be “successful” if you leave your morals behind and are willing to fuck anyone over to benefit yourself. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Anonymoose1: Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Congrats Wrong. There's lots of different trades. They don't all pay the same. Everyone who just says "go learn a trade" without being specific is usually just some managerial boomer talking out of their ass, or sometimes they were a tradie a long time ago and don't realize how badly what you can make, regardless of W2 vs. 1099, has tracked compared to inflation over the last 40 years. Some trades have done better than others, and you can make piles of money if you are on your own. Some are just cooked, and it is outright malicious to knowingly advise young people to go into them. This is why I keep saying "be specific". I've never been surprised when someone either couldn't be specific or if when they did, it's a quick Google search you can determine either wages as a W2 or figure out common rates and cross check that to material costs (thus potential earning as a contractor) and establish very quickly they are full of shit. As for your house, stuff costs what it costs. You know why you can't find anyone who is polite, punctual, and detail oriented in residential construction trades to work on your house? Because at the end of the year they will end up making about the same amount of money, with or without your business. Without your business, they will start next calendar year less overbooked by however many hours your project would have taken. The only incentive they have to be any of those things is personal pride and not wanting to disappoint grandma. This directly contradicts "just be polite, punctual, and detail oriented" and acknowledges there's a whole bunch of other character traits required to "get ahead" and they aren't necessarily all pro social. Indeed. It is far easier to be “successful” if you leave your morals behind and are willing to fuck anyone over to benefit yourself. That’s the type of attitude that will land you nowhere in life. Good luck. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:04:26 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow: TeHe this guy doesn't know about the oil bust that's coming. My favorite genre of boomer is the ones that will just pull shit out of their ass, trying to talk down to you about something you actually know about, and then when you ask them questions you already know the answer to, giving every hint possible that they are bullshitting the wrong guy, they just keep doubling down. I don't know why I find it as funny as I do, probably not a healthy humor to indulge in. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:08:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brasscrossedrifles]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackTaco: Just before taking the $10hr office job in 2000 I was making $9.00hr after HighSchool working 6-11pm in a warehouse. 1yr prior to that I was a sophomore skate boarding to work making $8.00hr as a pizza supervisor - started there 1yr prior making $5.00hr as a dishwasher when minimum wage was $4.50. My manager offered me $8.00hr to wash dishes because she didn’t need to hire 2 people….I passed and took the pizza making job for $7.00…instead - then bumped up… Over the past 10 years, I’ve helped multiple employees that I hired in at just above minimum wage, and had doubled or tripled their pay after I saw their worth, and helped them buy their first houses at 20-30yrs old. I have a handful of employees still with me today that started just above minimum wage, and are making $70-$100K a yr, all employees with zero college experience, and just coming to do a 9-5 position. Do I still employ a bunch of folks at $16hr - yes, I do. Because it’s the no-brainer grunt work literally any human body can do easily. There are multiple salary levels, you have to start somewhere. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackTaco: Just before taking the $10hr office job in 2000 I was making $9.00hr after HighSchool working 6-11pm in a warehouse. 1yr prior to that I was a sophomore skate boarding to work making $8.00hr as a pizza supervisor - started there 1yr prior making $5.00hr as a dishwasher when minimum wage was $4.50. My manager offered me $8.00hr to wash dishes because she didn’t need to hire 2 people….I passed and took the pizza making job for $7.00…instead - then bumped up… Over the past 10 years, I’ve helped multiple employees that I hired in at just above minimum wage, and had doubled or tripled their pay after I saw their worth, and helped them buy their first houses at 20-30yrs old. I have a handful of employees still with me today that started just above minimum wage, and are making $70-$100K a yr, all employees with zero college experience, and just coming to do a 9-5 position. Do I still employ a bunch of folks at $16hr - yes, I do. Because it’s the no-brainer grunt work literally any human body can do easily. There are multiple salary levels, you have to start somewhere. All of that sounds pretty reasonable. You sound like an extremely above average boss to work for. Originally Posted By BlackTaco: That’s the type of attitude that will land you nowhere in life. Good luck. While its not something to dwell on, its absolutely something to be aware of. Maybe you don't do the kinds of things I've seen and/or experienced from both employers and providers of various services, but I have seen some pretty sleezy shit. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 3:56:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BlackTaco]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: All of that sounds pretty reasonable. You sound like an extremely above average boss to work for. While its not something to dwell on, its absolutely something to be aware of. Maybe you don't do the kinds of things I've seen and/or experienced from both employers and providers of various services, but I have seen some pretty sleezy shit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Originally Posted By BlackTaco: Just before taking the $10hr office job in 2000 I was making $9.00hr after HighSchool working 6-11pm in a warehouse. 1yr prior to that I was a sophomore skate boarding to work making $8.00hr as a pizza supervisor - started there 1yr prior making $5.00hr as a dishwasher when minimum wage was $4.50. My manager offered me $8.00hr to wash dishes because she didn’t need to hire 2 people….I passed and took the pizza making job for $7.00…instead - then bumped up… Over the past 10 years, I’ve helped multiple employees that I hired in at just above minimum wage, and had doubled or tripled their pay after I saw their worth, and helped them buy their first houses at 20-30yrs old. I have a handful of employees still with me today that started just above minimum wage, and are making $70-$100K a yr, all employees with zero college experience, and just coming to do a 9-5 position. Do I still employ a bunch of folks at $16hr - yes, I do. Because it’s the no-brainer grunt work literally any human body can do easily. There are multiple salary levels, you have to start somewhere. All of that sounds pretty reasonable. You sound like an extremely above average boss to work for. Originally Posted By BlackTaco: That’s the type of attitude that will land you nowhere in life. Good luck. While its not something to dwell on, its absolutely something to be aware of. Maybe you don't do the kinds of things I've seen and/or experienced from both employers and providers of various services, but I have seen some pretty sleezy shit. I can agree with that, but it’s definitely not how successful folks become successful which is what his post intended. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 4:06:35 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scalped: My body is ready. Just picked up a Geo Metro in St. Germain red. One used Hankook tire was just installed. Traded the tech 4x film roll canisters full of dryer lint, of course. Ready to drive around Barstow-Las Vegas dirt paths in search of natural water wells. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scalped: Originally Posted By iwouldntknow: Embrace complexity collapse and the inevitable return to agrarian. My body is ready. Just picked up a Geo Metro in St. Germain red. One used Hankook tire was just installed. Traded the tech 4x film roll canisters full of dryer lint, of course. Ready to drive around Barstow-Las Vegas dirt paths in search of natural water wells. In agrarian, Vegas will return to its preMob/democrats days. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 4:14:45 PM EDT
[#47]
The previous generations took a great country and drove it into massive debt. It used to be that even through you were on the other side of the political fence, you still could get along with others. Now confrontation is unavoidable. Laws and regulations are everywhere now. Try buying a home out of high school with an entry level job like now. In the eighties, pot was the only drug you heard anyone using. No kids were rich enough for cocaine, and crack was only in the poor neighborhoods in big cities. Now kids have access to unlimited types of drugs. Mental illness is everywhere it seems.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 4:24:27 PM EDT
[#48]
This generation, and all living, are in the best days of humanity. Americans are far better off than those up and coming, who seem to have no problem starting families and reproducing. Expectation is a key to the perspective of hopelessness. Leaders will play into the hopelessness by promising increased prosperity; if only one gives up a little more liberty, in exchange for perceived and short term gains.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 4:25:41 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fxntime: Son is doing pretty well as a milli vanilli, mid 130's, just had an offer for 150 or so but he is working on some stuff he wants his name on where he as at and he gets pretty good bonuses. Downside is housing is stupid priced and property taxes even worse. No debt, masters, hundreds of K into retirement and investment funds already, some are readily available [not the retirement stuff] so if he does decide to buy, he will have cash. He's done pretty good for himself and I'm very happy, not a much better feeling then to see your kids doing more then just survive financially nowadays. Didn't he just start down here within the last year or so? If so, 130k out of school even with a masters is exceptional, congrats on him doing well. Not to mention having 100K's in retirement in your twenties. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 4:59:35 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: They don't see a future because it requires work, dedication, and wisdom. Things they as a group lack. They will always take the easy highway rather than the less-traveled Freedom Road. To be clear, they are not the only generation to do so. They are just the largest generation to be raised that way. Yeah it sucks they don't have the luxury of doing exactly what their parents did and pretty much totally raised them to expect |
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