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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:52:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCTanker: Apparently, you’ve been working more than posting. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCTanker: Originally Posted By PORK_REAP3R: Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: This. Anyone telling young guys to go be a tradie and be "punctual, polite, and detail oriented youll make bank blah blah" should actually just shut the fuck up forever. How little you fucking know. Owning a trade business now is a goddamn gold mine if you are all the things I said you should be. But what the fuck do I know? I only own 10 of the things in my avatar.... Apparently, you’ve been working more than posting. Right you are. I lurk on ARFCOM because of like minded people and I do it to unwind my mind a bit. The rest of the time, I own the business and I live and breathe it. Countless 2AM thoughts keep me awake nearly every night. A lot of folks want to knock the owner for this or that. For the car they drive or house they built, etc. What they don't understand, is the owner is always "on". The business is their life, 24/7/365, there is no down time, it is ALWAYS on your mind. It takes a commitment and risk that many are not willing to participate in. My livelihood is at risk every single day, especially in the world of aviation. It can all crumble in a single day, and that's the risk I take, but I also take a good reward when able. |
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Posted: 4/26/2024 11:58:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PORK_REAP3R: Right you are. I lurk on ARFCOM because of like minded people and I do it to unwind my mind a bit. The rest of the time, I own the business and I live and breathe it. Countless 2AM thoughts keep me awake nearly every night. A lot of folks want to knock the owner for this or that. For the car they drive or house they built, etc. What they don't understand, is the owner is always "on". The business is their life, 24/7/365, there is no down time, it is ALWAYS on your mind. It takes a commitment and risk that many are not willing to participate in. My livelihood is at risk every single day, especially in the world of aviation. It can all crumble in a single day, and that's the risk I take, but I also take a good reward when able. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PORK_REAP3R: Originally Posted By USMCTanker: Originally Posted By PORK_REAP3R: Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: This. Anyone telling young guys to go be a tradie and be "punctual, polite, and detail oriented youll make bank blah blah" should actually just shut the fuck up forever. How little you fucking know. Owning a trade business now is a goddamn gold mine if you are all the things I said you should be. But what the fuck do I know? I only own 10 of the things in my avatar.... Apparently, you’ve been working more than posting. Right you are. I lurk on ARFCOM because of like minded people and I do it to unwind my mind a bit. The rest of the time, I own the business and I live and breathe it. Countless 2AM thoughts keep me awake nearly every night. A lot of folks want to knock the owner for this or that. For the car they drive or house they built, etc. What they don't understand, is the owner is always "on". The business is their life, 24/7/365, there is no down time, it is ALWAYS on your mind. It takes a commitment and risk that many are not willing to participate in. My livelihood is at risk every single day, especially in the world of aviation. It can all crumble in a single day, and that's the risk I take, but I also take a good reward when able. Owning a fleet of RW, it’s no wonder you stay up thinking about work at 0200. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:04:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mardoc: I agree. Even during the Jimmy Carter years, I never thought Carter or his administration was actively, deliberately trying to destroy the country; and I had confidence the government agencies were actually trying to put actual criminals in prison and not political opponents for disagreeing with them. My kids are all young, successful, and at the stage they are going to start having children. I hate to use the word "afraid", but I have a genuine sense of dread concerning what the future holds in store for them and my future grand-children. I am older, and if something happens to me, it happens, but my kids have so much life to live. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mardoc: Originally Posted By Drsalee: Snip: In my 20s, I possessed a unconscious confidence in the United States .as a whole. This is gone. This is gone. I fear my own government more than any foreign entity. My children feel the same. This is the difference .as far as I can tell. I agree. Even during the Jimmy Carter years, I never thought Carter or his administration was actively, deliberately trying to destroy the country; and I had confidence the government agencies were actually trying to put actual criminals in prison and not political opponents for disagreeing with them. My kids are all young, successful, and at the stage they are going to start having children. I hate to use the word "afraid", but I have a genuine sense of dread concerning what the future holds in store for them and my future grand-children. I am older, and if something happens to me, it happens, but my kids have so much life to live. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:07:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow: Most customers won't pay more for punctual, polite, and detail oriented. Society gets the contractors they deserve. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow: Originally Posted By PORK_REAP3R: Hate MSNBC, but that dude is correct. There are a number of dynamics at play here. One, you can't inject trillions of dollars into the economy and expect good results, period. Two, if you're young, you should overwhelmingly be voting for pro business, anti-bureaucracy candidates. Three, there has never been more opportunity than now for young Americans. Look, I'm pretty well off at 38 yrs old, I have money to spend with contractors on home improvements, construction, landscaping, etc. I constantly run into inadequate, incompetent contractors for things like plumbing, electricians, carpenters, etc. These industries are ripe for the taking for somebody that is squared away, good at what they do, and honest and hardworking. If you are young and reading this, start your own business in the trades, become skilled, and dominate. Be punctual, polite, and detail oriented and you will absolutely make a fucking killing today. Your peers are goddamn worthless in these areas, be the exception to the rule. This is the way, and it is simple. Most customers won't pay more for punctual, polite, and detail oriented. Society gets the contractors they deserve. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:07:56 AM EDT
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I'm 35 and used to regret not having kids.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:15:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PORK_REAP3R: Aviation, it's niche. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PORK_REAP3R: Aviation, it's niche. Congrats It's besides the point. Wrong. There's lots of different trades. They don't all pay the same. Everyone who just says "go learn a trade" without being specific is usually just some managerial boomer talking out of their ass, or sometimes they were a tradie a long time ago and don't realize how badly what you can make, regardless of W2 vs. 1099, has tracked compared to inflation over the last 40 years. Some trades have done better than others, and you can make piles of money if you are on your own. Some are just cooked, and it is outright malicious to knowingly advise young people to go into them. This is why I keep saying "be specific". I've never been surprised when someone either couldn't be specific or if when they did, it's a quick Google search you can determine either wages as a W2 or figure out common rates and cross check that to material costs (thus potential earning as a contractor) and establish very quickly they are full of shit. As for your house, stuff costs what it costs. You know why you can't find anyone who is polite, punctual, and detail oriented in residential construction trades to work on your house? Because at the end of the year they will end up making about the same amount of money, with or without your business. Without your business, they will start next calendar year less overbooked by however many hours your project would have taken. The only incentive they have to be any of those things is personal pride and not wanting to disappoint grandma. The point is this, you can choose to be a W2 earner or 1099 in this world. The difference comes down to your risk aversion and work ethic. Intelligence and education plays a part, yes, but isn't everything. I know a lot of very smart people that never had the balls to be their own boss and go 1099 and I also know people with half the IQ but took risks and make magnitudes more than the smart guys make. In this society, putting in the work to learn a trade and own a business is a golden ticket right now. The world doesn't need anymore cubicle W2 earners, so if you want to make it big, you have to go against the pack, accept the risk and do what others can't or won't. You're either a killer in the business world, or a sheep, there is no in between. This directly contradicts "just be polite, punctual, and detail oriented" and acknowledges there's a whole bunch of other character traits required to "get ahead" and they aren't necessarily all pro social. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:59:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KILLERB6]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: I love charts that show as though every demographic votes the same. Funny how reality works. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/200878/IMG_4096_jpeg-3198899.JPG Even if their turnout was lower, their overwhelmingly liberal bias ensured victory for the democrats. Funny now reality really works.  |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:10:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PORK_REAP3R: Right you are. I lurk on ARFCOM because of like minded people and I do it to unwind my mind a bit. The rest of the time, I own the business and I live and breathe it. Countless 2AM thoughts keep me awake nearly every night. A lot of folks want to knock the owner for this or that. For the car they drive or house they built, etc. What they don't understand, is the owner is always "on". The business is their life, 24/7/365, there is no down time, it is ALWAYS on your mind. It takes a commitment and risk that many are not willing to participate in. My livelihood is at risk every single day, especially in the world of aviation. It can all crumble in a single day, and that's the risk I take, but I also take a good reward when able. This, 1000%. I’m very late to this conversation, but I had an employee walk into my office today, and ask me how my day was going. I explained “so/so” wish it was better, but could be worse. He asked if I can turn off my brain when I get home and not think about work - I laughed out loud and said no, it’s 24-7/365.. I explained exactly what you mentioned. He didn’t believe me. As a business owner with $850K a month in operating costs, I’m thinking about how to continue every day safely and efficiently and have put a lot on the line, but also rewarded - but still not as comfortable as I’d like to be. The last year we’ve broke even every month. Year prior was a cash cow. Some years I sleep better than others. This year I’m drinking a glass or two of whiskey before bed every night and popping a sleeping pill so my mind quits racing. Haven’t seen business this tough since 2008/2009. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:15:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BlackTaco]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Congrats Wrong. There's lots of different trades. They don't all pay the same. Everyone who just says "go learn a trade" without being specific is usually just some managerial boomer talking out of their ass, or sometimes they were a tradie a long time ago and don't realize how badly what you can make, regardless of W2 vs. 1099, has tracked compared to inflation over the last 40 years. Some trades have done better than others, and you can make piles of money if you are on your own. Some are just cooked, and it is outright malicious to knowingly advise young people to go into them. This is why I keep saying "be specific". I've never been surprised when someone either couldn't be specific or if when they did, it's a quick Google search you can determine either wages as a W2 or figure out common rates and cross check that to material costs (thus potential earning as a contractor) and establish very quickly they are full of shit. As for your house, stuff costs what it costs. You know why you can't find anyone who is polite, punctual, and detail oriented in residential construction trades to work on your house? Because at the end of the year they will end up making about the same amount of money, with or without your business. Without your business, they will start next calendar year less overbooked by however many hours your project would have taken. The only incentive they have to be any of those things is personal pride and not wanting to disappoint grandma. This directly contradicts "just be polite, punctual, and detail oriented" and acknowledges there's a whole bunch of other character traits required to "get ahead" and they aren't necessarily all pro social. Doesn’t contradict his statement one bit. With what he mentioned, along with being polite, punctual, and detail oriented - you get a successful business owner. There’s so much shitty customer service in this country, becoming better than most is pretty easy. If “other character traits” refers to working your ass off, finding solutions rather than excuses, then sure, you’re right, guess those traits are pretty far and few between these days. Excuses everywhere, can’t stand them. 24yrs ago when I started with the company I now own, (20ish employees then, 70 now)….I was making $10.00hr, along with my best friend. He decided to have the “fuck the man”, “fuck going above and beyond”, “pay me more money first, then I’ll do better” attitude….and it literally stoped his advancement. Then it pissed him off because he stayed at the bottom…and, he’s still at the bottom at 44 yrs old….. and I own the company, have multiple properties/investments/ etc - and he’s a stay at home dad with silly side gigs to get by, and still angry at the world. Shitty attitudes deliver shitty results. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:28:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KILLERB6]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gmtech: They won't figure it out until the government they vote for makes everybody equally poor . The more they embrace the left the worse it will get, but hey ,they'll have all the same things their friends have . As much as the (I assume) somewhat more conservative mills and zekes here would like to think (i.e. feel) otherwise, their generation is extremely liberal…and their vote carries.  |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:30:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: The only place I see this behavior is here in GD |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:36:40 AM EDT
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Are we just shitposting data here?
This one table tells everything you need to know about the future of America. For anyone looking at that little uptick after 2020 from 10.9 to 11.0, that's all the babies pulled forward into the pandemic. This data lags by 1 year. 2022 and 2023 data was killed for some reason. I wonder why?  |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:38:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: This. Anyone telling young guys to go be a tradie and be "punctual, polite, and detail oriented youll make bank blah blah" should actually just shut the fuck up forever.  |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 1:40:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Green_Canoe: BINGO! I was having this doom and gloom discussion around the campfire with a bunch of my mid-50s friends. All of our children are in their late teens or early 20s doing something to further their education and work experience. I said all of our kids are going to do OK if they keep on their positive path. They will have the opportunity to be leaders in the world as our generation retires in the next 10-15 years. They will be in a perfect place to take over vs. the kids playing video games, smoking pot, and complaining how everyone else's privilege is preventing them from getting ahead. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Green_Canoe: Originally Posted By Speedwinder: Originally Posted By cavedog: Not all of them. Some are determined to make a life for themselves. Thread is doom porn, and the doomers will be flagellating up and down this mother. This You hear about the pissed off underachievers, but you don't hear so much about the ones making the right moves to achieve wealth and an exceptional life. Most older people didn't start wealthy and privileged with a nice house. They earned it slowly over many years. I think the younger generations will be fine, but it will take hard work and time. BINGO! I was having this doom and gloom discussion around the campfire with a bunch of my mid-50s friends. All of our children are in their late teens or early 20s doing something to further their education and work experience. I said all of our kids are going to do OK if they keep on their positive path. They will have the opportunity to be leaders in the world as our generation retires in the next 10-15 years. They will be in a perfect place to take over vs. the kids playing video games, smoking pot, and complaining how everyone else's privilege is preventing them from getting ahead. 1000%. My son, he gets this. My daughter, that’s another story. She’s pretty negative, but she’s also turning 16 next month, fucking nightmare teenage daughters can be 
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Posted: 4/27/2024 5:43:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runcible: No, you just have to be unable to grasp basic math. Once you understand mathematics, the unsustainable nature of our current position becomes frighteningly clear. Whether it's the economy, demographic trends, birth rates... basic math says we're doomed.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 5:53:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Underaid702: fuck em... its probably cause they expect everything to be handed to them.. Thanks gen x parents |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 6:11:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'm not taking the tradie talk from a retired DoD lifer. Absolutely not having it. You already have a pending question. I know you won't ever answer it. And, anyway, yeah, the era of your generation being the largest voting block in the history of "democracy" is, in fact, over. You'll never acknowledge how recently it ended or maybe even acknowledge that it ever happened in the first place, much less acknowledge the reason it happened sooner than projected was due to immigration policies ya'll voted for to compensate for your sub-replacement birthrate. But yes, your facts are at least current. You're right about something else too. What's about to happen over the next 30 years is, in fact, what my generation wants (collectively). What I don't think you realize is that most of it will be done intentionally, out of spite. Your internet tough guy Jack Reacher meme might be on brand for your posting style, but it doesn't really fit the situation. This does:  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 6:14:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wookie1562: Are we just shitposting data here? This one table tells everything you need to know about the future of America. For anyone looking at that little uptick after 2020 from 10.9 to 11.0, that's all the babies pulled forward into the pandemic. This data lags by 1 year. 2022 and 2023 data was killed for some reason. I wonder why? https://i.imgur.com/cCTLrsI.png But our population is booming faster than it did during the baby boom. I wonder how that happened. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 7:02:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: brasscrossedrifles]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackTaco: Doesn’t contradict his statement one bit. With what he mentioned, along with being polite, punctual, and detail oriented - you get a successful business owner. There’s so much shitty customer service in this country, becoming better than most is pretty easy. If “other character traits” refers to working your ass off, finding solutions rather than excuses, then sure, you’re right, guess those traits are pretty far and few between these days. Excuses everywhere, can’t stand them. 24yrs ago when I started with the company I now own, (20ish employees then, 70 now)….I was making $10.00hr, along with my best friend. He decided to have the “fuck the man”, “fuck going above and beyond”, “pay me more money first, then I’ll do better” attitude….and it literally stoped his advancement. Then it pissed him off because he stayed at the bottom…and, he’s still at the bottom at 44 yrs old….. and I own the company, have multiple properties/investments/ etc - and he’s a stay at home dad with silly side gigs to get by, and still angry at the world. Shitty attitudes deliver shitty results. $10/hr was pretty good starting pay in 2000. Sounds like your best friend has a terrible attitude. My issue is not with being polite, punctual, and detail oriented. I do these things every day. They are part of the reason I'm one of the last people still working where I'm working as opposed to laid off or fired. My issue is with the idea that that's all you gotta do. There is so much other stuff you have to do. Another issue I have is the idea that "you just gotta be your own boss". What are we taking that to be the minimum criteria for? Is this going to be the minimum criteria to be able to afford to have a family? (That's where we are headed) Not everyone has the aptitude for running a business. Yeah, its cool that you have the aptitude for that, congrats. What about the 70 employees you have? How many of them do you pay enough that any living situation besides living with their parents or splitting a 2 bdr/1bth apartment with another childless bachelor isn't a profoundly stupid and irresponsible idea? BTW, depending on location, in 2024 dollars the threshold for that somewhere around $80k. In some places its well over $100k. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 7:09:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackTaco: This, 1000%. I’m very late to this conversation, but I had an employee walk into my office today, and ask me how my day was going. I explained “so/so” wish it was better, but could be worse. He asked if I can turn off my brain when I get home and not think about work - I laughed out loud and said no, it’s 24-7/365.. I explained exactly what you mentioned. He didn’t believe me. As a business owner with $850K a month in operating costs, I’m thinking about how to continue every day safely and efficiently and have put a lot on the line, but also rewarded - but still not as comfortable as I’d like to be. The last year we’ve broke even every month. Year prior was a cash cow. Some years I sleep better than others. This year I’m drinking a glass or two of whiskey before bed every night and popping a sleeping pill so my mind quits racing. Haven’t seen business this tough since 2008/2009. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackTaco: Originally Posted By PORK_REAP3R: Right you are. I lurk on ARFCOM because of like minded people and I do it to unwind my mind a bit. The rest of the time, I own the business and I live and breathe it. Countless 2AM thoughts keep me awake nearly every night. A lot of folks want to knock the owner for this or that. For the car they drive or house they built, etc. What they don't understand, is the owner is always "on". The business is their life, 24/7/365, there is no down time, it is ALWAYS on your mind. It takes a commitment and risk that many are not willing to participate in. My livelihood is at risk every single day, especially in the world of aviation. It can all crumble in a single day, and that's the risk I take, but I also take a good reward when able. This, 1000%. I’m very late to this conversation, but I had an employee walk into my office today, and ask me how my day was going. I explained “so/so” wish it was better, but could be worse. He asked if I can turn off my brain when I get home and not think about work - I laughed out loud and said no, it’s 24-7/365.. I explained exactly what you mentioned. He didn’t believe me. As a business owner with $850K a month in operating costs, I’m thinking about how to continue every day safely and efficiently and have put a lot on the line, but also rewarded - but still not as comfortable as I’d like to be. The last year we’ve broke even every month. Year prior was a cash cow. Some years I sleep better than others. This year I’m drinking a glass or two of whiskey before bed every night and popping a sleeping pill so my mind quits racing. Haven’t seen business this tough since 2008/2009. Try just Melatonin. No booze. 5 or 10 mg. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 7:20:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BillofRights]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackTaco: Doesn’t contradict his statement one bit. With what he mentioned, along with being polite, punctual, and detail oriented - you get a successful business owner. There’s so much shitty customer service in this country, becoming better than most is pretty easy. If “other character traits” refers to working your ass off, finding solutions rather than excuses, then sure, you’re right, guess those traits are pretty far and few between these days. Excuses everywhere, can’t stand them. 24yrs ago when I started with the company I now own, (20ish employees then, 70 now)….I was making $10.00hr, along with my best friend. He decided to have the “fuck the man”, “fuck going above and beyond”, “pay me more money first, then I’ll do better” attitude….and it literally stoped his advancement. Then it pissed him off because he stayed at the bottom…and, he’s still at the bottom at 44 yrs old….. and I own the company, have multiple properties/investments/ etc - and he’s a stay at home dad with silly side gigs to get by, and still angry at the world. Shitty attitudes deliver shitty results. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackTaco: Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Congrats Wrong. There's lots of different trades. They don't all pay the same. Everyone who just says "go learn a trade" without being specific is usually just some managerial boomer talking out of their ass, or sometimes they were a tradie a long time ago and don't realize how badly what you can make, regardless of W2 vs. 1099, has tracked compared to inflation over the last 40 years. Some trades have done better than others, and you can make piles of money if you are on your own. Some are just cooked, and it is outright malicious to knowingly advise young people to go into them. This is why I keep saying "be specific". I've never been surprised when someone either couldn't be specific or if when they did, it's a quick Google search you can determine either wages as a W2 or figure out common rates and cross check that to material costs (thus potential earning as a contractor) and establish very quickly they are full of shit. As for your house, stuff costs what it costs. You know why you can't find anyone who is polite, punctual, and detail oriented in residential construction trades to work on your house? Because at the end of the year they will end up making about the same amount of money, with or without your business. Without your business, they will start next calendar year less overbooked by however many hours your project would have taken. The only incentive they have to be any of those things is personal pride and not wanting to disappoint grandma. This directly contradicts "just be polite, punctual, and detail oriented" and acknowledges there's a whole bunch of other character traits required to "get ahead" and they aren't necessarily all pro social. Doesn’t contradict his statement one bit. With what he mentioned, along with being polite, punctual, and detail oriented - you get a successful business owner. There’s so much shitty customer service in this country, becoming better than most is pretty easy. If “other character traits” refers to working your ass off, finding solutions rather than excuses, then sure, you’re right, guess those traits are pretty far and few between these days. Excuses everywhere, can’t stand them. 24yrs ago when I started with the company I now own, (20ish employees then, 70 now)….I was making $10.00hr, along with my best friend. He decided to have the “fuck the man”, “fuck going above and beyond”, “pay me more money first, then I’ll do better” attitude….and it literally stoped his advancement. Then it pissed him off because he stayed at the bottom…and, he’s still at the bottom at 44 yrs old….. and I own the company, have multiple properties/investments/ etc - and he’s a stay at home dad with silly side gigs to get by, and still angry at the world. Shitty attitudes deliver shitty results. Well said, and this is what the complainers in every thread don’t understand: Their Own Negativity is a Self Fulfilling Prophesy. I wish I could find a better, more persuasive way to say it, but they are literally Choosing to live an unhappy, mediocre life, through their everyday thoughts, habits and actions. It’s a fascinating topic. How does one improve their own attitude? I don’t really know if it’s even possible. Some people have the right attributes, and some don’t. Can the losers adopt self discipline, and motivation, enough to change the path they are on? When you think of it, it’s the most important question of our lives. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 7:47:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackTaco: Doesn’t contradict his statement one bit. With what he mentioned, along with being polite, punctual, and detail oriented - you get a successful business owner. There’s so much shitty customer service in this country, becoming better than most is pretty easy. If “other character traits” refers to working your ass off, finding solutions rather than excuses, then sure, you’re right, guess those traits are pretty far and few between these days. Excuses everywhere, can’t stand them. 24yrs ago when I started with the company I now own, (20ish employees then, 70 now)….I was making $10.00hr, along with my best friend. He decided to have the “fuck the man”, “fuck going above and beyond”, “pay me more money first, then I’ll do better” attitude….and it literally stoped his advancement. Then it pissed him off because he stayed at the bottom…and, he’s still at the bottom at 44 yrs old….. and I own the company, have multiple properties/investments/ etc - and he’s a stay at home dad with silly side gigs to get by, and still angry at the world. Shitty attitudes deliver shitty results. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackTaco: Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Congrats Wrong. There's lots of different trades. They don't all pay the same. Everyone who just says "go learn a trade" without being specific is usually just some managerial boomer talking out of their ass, or sometimes they were a tradie a long time ago and don't realize how badly what you can make, regardless of W2 vs. 1099, has tracked compared to inflation over the last 40 years. Some trades have done better than others, and you can make piles of money if you are on your own. Some are just cooked, and it is outright malicious to knowingly advise young people to go into them. This is why I keep saying "be specific". I've never been surprised when someone either couldn't be specific or if when they did, it's a quick Google search you can determine either wages as a W2 or figure out common rates and cross check that to material costs (thus potential earning as a contractor) and establish very quickly they are full of shit. As for your house, stuff costs what it costs. You know why you can't find anyone who is polite, punctual, and detail oriented in residential construction trades to work on your house? Because at the end of the year they will end up making about the same amount of money, with or without your business. Without your business, they will start next calendar year less overbooked by however many hours your project would have taken. The only incentive they have to be any of those things is personal pride and not wanting to disappoint grandma. This directly contradicts "just be polite, punctual, and detail oriented" and acknowledges there's a whole bunch of other character traits required to "get ahead" and they aren't necessarily all pro social. Doesn’t contradict his statement one bit. With what he mentioned, along with being polite, punctual, and detail oriented - you get a successful business owner. There’s so much shitty customer service in this country, becoming better than most is pretty easy. If “other character traits” refers to working your ass off, finding solutions rather than excuses, then sure, you’re right, guess those traits are pretty far and few between these days. Excuses everywhere, can’t stand them. 24yrs ago when I started with the company I now own, (20ish employees then, 70 now)….I was making $10.00hr, along with my best friend. He decided to have the “fuck the man”, “fuck going above and beyond”, “pay me more money first, then I’ll do better” attitude….and it literally stoped his advancement. Then it pissed him off because he stayed at the bottom…and, he’s still at the bottom at 44 yrs old….. and I own the company, have multiple properties/investments/ etc - and he’s a stay at home dad with silly side gigs to get by, and still angry at the world. Shitty attitudes deliver shitty results. I have never seen someone who want more pay to do more work get either. I have never seen someone who takes initiative to learn not advance. Advancement doesn't necessarily mean business ownership. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 7:56:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Congrats Wrong. There's lots of different trades. They don't all pay the same. Everyone who just says "go learn a trade" without being specific is usually just some managerial boomer talking out of their ass, or sometimes they were a tradie a long time ago and don't realize how badly what you can make, regardless of W2 vs. 1099, has tracked compared to inflation over the last 40 years. Some trades have done better than others, and you can make piles of money if you are on your own. Some are just cooked, and it is outright malicious to knowingly advise young people to go into them. This is why I keep saying "be specific". I've never been surprised when someone either couldn't be specific or if when they did, it's a quick Google search you can determine either wages as a W2 or figure out common rates and cross check that to material costs (thus potential earning as a contractor) and establish very quickly they are full of shit. As for your house, stuff costs what it costs. You know why you can't find anyone who is polite, punctual, and detail oriented in residential construction trades to work on your house? Because at the end of the year they will end up making about the same amount of money, with or without your business. Without your business, they will start next calendar year less overbooked by however many hours your project would have taken. The only incentive they have to be any of those things is personal pride and not wanting to disappoint grandma. This directly contradicts "just be polite, punctual, and detail oriented" and acknowledges there's a whole bunch of other character traits required to "get ahead" and they aren't necessarily all pro social. Indeed. It is far easier to be “successful” if you leave your morals behind and are willing to fuck anyone over to benefit yourself. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:00:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Anonymoose1: Indeed. It is far easier to be “successful” if you leave your morals behind and are willing to fuck anyone over to benefit yourself. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Anonymoose1: Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Congrats Wrong. There's lots of different trades. They don't all pay the same. Everyone who just says "go learn a trade" without being specific is usually just some managerial boomer talking out of their ass, or sometimes they were a tradie a long time ago and don't realize how badly what you can make, regardless of W2 vs. 1099, has tracked compared to inflation over the last 40 years. Some trades have done better than others, and you can make piles of money if you are on your own. Some are just cooked, and it is outright malicious to knowingly advise young people to go into them. This is why I keep saying "be specific". I've never been surprised when someone either couldn't be specific or if when they did, it's a quick Google search you can determine either wages as a W2 or figure out common rates and cross check that to material costs (thus potential earning as a contractor) and establish very quickly they are full of shit. As for your house, stuff costs what it costs. You know why you can't find anyone who is polite, punctual, and detail oriented in residential construction trades to work on your house? Because at the end of the year they will end up making about the same amount of money, with or without your business. Without your business, they will start next calendar year less overbooked by however many hours your project would have taken. The only incentive they have to be any of those things is personal pride and not wanting to disappoint grandma. This directly contradicts "just be polite, punctual, and detail oriented" and acknowledges there's a whole bunch of other character traits required to "get ahead" and they aren't necessarily all pro social. Indeed. It is far easier to be “successful” if you leave your morals behind and are willing to fuck anyone over to benefit yourself. This is pure Rationalization. You post some of the most negative comments on Arfcom. If these are truly your thoughts, then what chance do you give yourself? |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:00:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Well said, and this is what the complainers in every thread don’t understand: Their Own Negativity is a Self Fulfilling Prophesy. I wish I could find a better, more persuasive way to say it, but they are literally Choosing to live an unhappy, mediocre life, through their everyday thoughts, habits and actions. It’s a fascinating topic. How does one improve their own attitude? I don’t really know if it’s even possible. Some people have the right attributes, and some don’t. Can the losers adopt self discipline, and motivation, enough to change the path they are on? When you think of it, it’s the most important question of our lives. I literally just chose to. I had hard work from a young age (farm kid) but many people had gloomy attitudes about the way the world was headed (think GD in real life). I found out that you could choose what to think so I started choosing to think the way I wanted to think. I'm no billionaire like the rest of GD, but I'm definitely doing ok. It is a fascinating subject, one that I've spent too much study on. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:09:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: This is pure Rationalization. You post some of the most negative comments on Arfcom. If these are truly your thoughts, then what chance do you give yourself? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Originally Posted By Anonymoose1: Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Congrats Wrong. There's lots of different trades. They don't all pay the same. Everyone who just says "go learn a trade" without being specific is usually just some managerial boomer talking out of their ass, or sometimes they were a tradie a long time ago and don't realize how badly what you can make, regardless of W2 vs. 1099, has tracked compared to inflation over the last 40 years. Some trades have done better than others, and you can make piles of money if you are on your own. Some are just cooked, and it is outright malicious to knowingly advise young people to go into them. This is why I keep saying "be specific". I've never been surprised when someone either couldn't be specific or if when they did, it's a quick Google search you can determine either wages as a W2 or figure out common rates and cross check that to material costs (thus potential earning as a contractor) and establish very quickly they are full of shit. As for your house, stuff costs what it costs. You know why you can't find anyone who is polite, punctual, and detail oriented in residential construction trades to work on your house? Because at the end of the year they will end up making about the same amount of money, with or without your business. Without your business, they will start next calendar year less overbooked by however many hours your project would have taken. The only incentive they have to be any of those things is personal pride and not wanting to disappoint grandma. This directly contradicts "just be polite, punctual, and detail oriented" and acknowledges there's a whole bunch of other character traits required to "get ahead" and they aren't necessarily all pro social. Indeed. It is far easier to be “successful” if you leave your morals behind and are willing to fuck anyone over to benefit yourself. This is pure Rationalization. You post some of the most negative comments on Arfcom. If these are truly your thoughts, then what chance do you give yourself? It's fascinating what childhoods and cultures do. Healthy competition, unhealthy competition, rule following, etc environments have permanent effects. Empaths, sociopaths, psychopaths all have their role to play in society. To his point, the world would be a bleak place if it was filled with nothing but businessmen but it would also be a bleak place if it was filled with nothing but empaths. Someone who can never fire anyone is as bad as someone who fires anyone because their spreadsheet told them to.  But what some see as healthy competition others see as "taking advantage". The lie that too many believe is that stable jobs are possible. On that foundation, they stop focusing on self improvement and focus on standard of living and creature comforts, thus becoming weak men. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:12:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:36:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow: I literally just chose to. I had hard work from a young age (farm kid) but many people had gloomy attitudes about the way the world was headed (think GD in real life). I found out that you could choose what to think so I started choosing to think the way I wanted to think. I'm no billionaire like the rest of GD, but I'm definitely doing ok. It is a fascinating subject, one that I've spent too much study on. I do too. I'm actually a pretty positive guy all things considered. I only come in threads like this to gangster party hotline post at boomers, because its kinda funny. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:38:35 AM EDT
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Boomer thread... Checking in!
Seriously, young and old are angrier al everyone all the time these days "I can't afford a house on my coffee pouring wages" "I can't live on social security because of inflation" "Nobody holds doors open any more" "My cell phone doesn't hold as much charge" Fucking get a life |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:39:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: I do too. I'm actually a pretty positive guy all things considered. I only come in threads like this to gangster party hotline post at boomers, because it's kinda funny. Doomposting amuses me. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:43:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By norseman1: Boomer thread... Checking in! Seriously, young and old are angrier al everyone all the time these days "I can't afford a house on my coffee pouring wages" "I can't live on social security because of inflation" "Nobody holds doors open any more" "My cell phone doesn't hold as much charge" Fucking get a life The dollar is FIAT CURRENCY we need to use SOUND MONEY CHINA IS GONNA BEAT OUR DICKS WHEN THE DEMOCRATS/NEOCONS/GLOBOHOMOS PICK A FIGHT WITH THEM My Larue/Geiselle has a scratch The government is replacing all straight white males to make neofeudalism. It's to expensive to have a kid but the broke illegals who should be shot/blown up/gassed at the border are having too many kids! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:44:53 AM EDT
[#32]
I'm young and not pissed at everything.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:45:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: I do too. I'm actually a pretty positive guy all things considered. I only come in threads like this to gangster party hotline post at boomers, because its kinda funny.  Geto Boys - Damn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta (Official Video) [Explicit] gonna play this whilst watching president AOC sieze the b**mas' houses and 401ks to redistribute amongst the poors, the border jumpers, and/or the poor border jumpers. way she fuckin' goes there, eh bois? @eagarminuteman |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:45:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lokifox: I'm young and not pissed at everything. I might celebrate my not being pissed at everything by blaxting a couple hundred rounds of 308 today. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:46:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow: The dollar is FIAT CURRENCY we need to use SOUND MONEY CHINA IS GONNA BEAT OUR DICKS WHEN THE DEMOCRATS/NEOCONS/GLOBOHOMOS PICK A FIGHT WITH THEM My Larue/Geiselle has a scratch The government is replacing all straight white males to make neofeudalism. It's to expensive to have a kid but the broke illegals who should be shot/blown up/gassed at the border are having too many kids! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow: Originally Posted By norseman1: Boomer thread... Checking in! Seriously, young and old are angrier al everyone all the time these days "I can't afford a house on my coffee pouring wages" "I can't live on social security because of inflation" "Nobody holds doors open any more" "My cell phone doesn't hold as much charge" Fucking get a life The dollar is FIAT CURRENCY we need to use SOUND MONEY CHINA IS GONNA BEAT OUR DICKS WHEN THE DEMOCRATS/NEOCONS/GLOBOHOMOS PICK A FIGHT WITH THEM My Larue/Geiselle has a scratch The government is replacing all straight white males to make neofeudalism. It's to expensive to have a kid but the broke illegals who should be shot/blown up/gassed at the border are having too many kids! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Which China person is going to beat my dick? If it's a 22 year old female hottie PLA chick, I'm in. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:48:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: pics of scar heavy not loading there, big shoots. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: Originally Posted By lokifox: I'm young and not pissed at everything. I might celebrate my not being pissed at everything by blaxting a couple hundred rounds of 308 today. I said I'm young... I can't afford to replace my optics every weekend.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:49:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lokifox: I said I'm young... I can't afford to replace my optics every weekend. you'll make moar. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:52:22 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Towely: I'm 35 and used to regret not having kids. Now..? Thank god I didn't... this planet is fucked. I'm a couple years older than you. Having kids was a financially irresponsible choice. I don't regret it. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 8:59:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackTaco: This, 1000%. I’m very late to this conversation, but I had an employee walk into my office today, and ask me how my day was going. I explained “so/so” wish it was better, but could be worse. He asked if I can turn off my brain when I get home and not think about work - I laughed out loud and said no, it’s 24-7/365.. I explained exactly what you mentioned. He didn’t believe me. As a business owner with $850K a month in operating costs, I’m thinking about how to continue every day safely and efficiently and have put a lot on the line, but also rewarded - but still not as comfortable as I’d like to be. The last year we’ve broke even every month. Year prior was a cash cow. Some years I sleep better than others. This year I’m drinking a glass or two of whiskey before bed every night and popping a sleeping pill so my mind quits racing. Haven’t seen business this tough since 2008/2009. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackTaco: Originally Posted By PORK_REAP3R: Right you are. I lurk on ARFCOM because of like minded people and I do it to unwind my mind a bit. The rest of the time, I own the business and I live and breathe it. Countless 2AM thoughts keep me awake nearly every night. A lot of folks want to knock the owner for this or that. For the car they drive or house they built, etc. What they don't understand, is the owner is always "on". The business is their life, 24/7/365, there is no down time, it is ALWAYS on your mind. It takes a commitment and risk that many are not willing to participate in. My livelihood is at risk every single day, especially in the world of aviation. It can all crumble in a single day, and that's the risk I take, but I also take a good reward when able. This, 1000%. I’m very late to this conversation, but I had an employee walk into my office today, and ask me how my day was going. I explained “so/so” wish it was better, but could be worse. He asked if I can turn off my brain when I get home and not think about work - I laughed out loud and said no, it’s 24-7/365.. I explained exactly what you mentioned. He didn’t believe me. As a business owner with $850K a month in operating costs, I’m thinking about how to continue every day safely and efficiently and have put a lot on the line, but also rewarded - but still not as comfortable as I’d like to be. The last year we’ve broke even every month. Year prior was a cash cow. Some years I sleep better than others. This year I’m drinking a glass or two of whiskey before bed every night and popping a sleeping pill so my mind quits racing. Haven’t seen business this tough since 2008/2009. I hate to say it, but it’s likely going to get worse. The economy is in shambles. I’ve been up almost every night for the last year myself. While a W2 employee, I have one of the most critical jobs in my company. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:01:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: I hate to say it, but it's likely going to get worse. The economy is in shambles. I've been up almost every night for the last year myself. While a W2 employee, I have one of the most critical jobs in my company. let's get this party started. 
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:12:10 AM EDT
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[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow: Doomposting amuses me. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Well, for me its really just clapping back at the condescension. I actually don't mind struggles. History is moving, "nothing ever happens" fam is getting riggity rekt. The struggle just makes life more interesting. That's one thing the zoomers could do better: Embrace being on the "hard times" part of the cycle, because what the "good times" part of it produces is indignant and embarrassing. What gets me GPH mode is when boomers say things in the "avacado toast" category, or any version of "five miles to school uphill both ways" or "I had a paper route and I only got paid ($23/hr in 2024 dollars)". The JuSt LeArN a TrAdE thing is when I really have to get it on because the last time there wasn't any getting hired going on in the awl field I took a little detour doing exactly that. Its not that its not true, its just that there is a lot of nuance involved. That's why I always reply with "oh yeah, which ones, be specific" Also any version of "just shake the plant managers hand" or reminding me to have good manners is pretty fun too. Oh, I forgot one other thing where I have to get it on: When boomers blame millennials for things they did to us. Best example is participation trophies. Yeah look, the first time I got a participation trophy, back in 1991, I should have gone to my baseball coach (who was in his early 30s at the time, do the math) thrown it at his feet and said something like "this is trophy is bullshit, we came in last place in the league. What are you trying to do, turn us into a bunch of f***** c***s that don't know which bathroom to use?". I should have said that, instead of just standing there confused. It would have been mega based. However, in my defense, I was six years old at the time, and didn't know most of those words. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:16:47 AM EDT
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Younger people have no balls, they take their reality from social media, and don’t realize they alone are responsible for their future.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:19:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Creole_Cat: Younger people have no balls, they take their reality from social media, and don't realize they alone are responsible for their future. They are weak |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:21:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Creole_Cat: Younger people have no balls, they take their reality from social media, and don’t realize they alone are responsible for their future. They are weak That's true. 20 years of war made us weak and fragile. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:22:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lokifox: That's true. 20 years of war made us weak and fragile. DAYUM MILLENNIALS |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:29:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Well, for me its really just clapping back at the condescension. I actually don't mind struggles. History is moving, "nothing ever happens" fam is getting riggity rekt. The struggle just makes life more interesting. That's one thing the zoomers could do better: Embrace being on the "hard times" part of the cycle, because what the "good times" part of it produces is indignant and embarrassing. What gets me GPH mode is when boomers say things in the "avacado toast" category, or any version of "five miles to school uphill both ways" or "I had a paper route and I only got paid ($23/hr in 2024 dollars)". The JuSt LeArN a TrAdE thing is when I really have to get it on because the last time there wasn't any getting hired going on in the awl field I took a little detour doing exactly that. Its not that its not true, its just that there is a lot of nuance involved. That's why I always reply with "oh yeah, which ones, be specific" Also any version of "just shake the plant managers hand" or reminding me to have good manners is pretty fun too. Oh, I forgot one other thing where I have to get it on: When boomers blame millennials for things they did to us. Best example is participation trophies. Yeah look, the first time I got a participation trophy, back in 1991, I should have gone to my baseball coach (who was in his early 30s at the time, do the math) thrown it at his feet and said something like "this is trophy is bullshit, we came in last place in the league. What are you trying to do, turn us into a bunch of f***** c***s that don't know which bathroom to use?". I should have said that, instead of just standing there confused. It would have been mega based. However, in my defense, I was six years old at the time, and didn't know most of those words. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Originally Posted By iwouldntknow: Doomposting amuses me. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Well, for me its really just clapping back at the condescension. I actually don't mind struggles. History is moving, "nothing ever happens" fam is getting riggity rekt. The struggle just makes life more interesting. That's one thing the zoomers could do better: Embrace being on the "hard times" part of the cycle, because what the "good times" part of it produces is indignant and embarrassing. What gets me GPH mode is when boomers say things in the "avacado toast" category, or any version of "five miles to school uphill both ways" or "I had a paper route and I only got paid ($23/hr in 2024 dollars)". The JuSt LeArN a TrAdE thing is when I really have to get it on because the last time there wasn't any getting hired going on in the awl field I took a little detour doing exactly that. Its not that its not true, its just that there is a lot of nuance involved. That's why I always reply with "oh yeah, which ones, be specific" Also any version of "just shake the plant managers hand" or reminding me to have good manners is pretty fun too. Oh, I forgot one other thing where I have to get it on: When boomers blame millennials for things they did to us. Best example is participation trophies. Yeah look, the first time I got a participation trophy, back in 1991, I should have gone to my baseball coach (who was in his early 30s at the time, do the math) thrown it at his feet and said something like "this is trophy is bullshit, we came in last place in the league. What are you trying to do, turn us into a bunch of f***** c***s that don't know which bathroom to use?". I should have said that, instead of just standing there confused. It would have been mega based. However, in my defense, I was six years old at the time, and didn't know most of those words. 
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:29:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow: I literally just chose to. I had hard work from a young age (farm kid) but many people had gloomy attitudes about the way the world was headed (think GD in real life). I found out that you could choose what to think so I started choosing to think the way I wanted to think. I'm no billionaire like the rest of GD, but I'm definitely doing ok. It is a fascinating subject, one that I've spent too much study on. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow: Originally Posted By BillofRights: Well said, and this is what the complainers in every thread don’t understand: Their Own Negativity is a Self Fulfilling Prophesy. I wish I could find a better, more persuasive way to say it, but they are literally Choosing to live an unhappy, mediocre life, through their everyday thoughts, habits and actions. It’s a fascinating topic. How does one improve their own attitude? I don’t really know if it’s even possible. Some people have the right attributes, and some don’t. Can the losers adopt self discipline, and motivation, enough to change the path they are on? When you think of it, it’s the most important question of our lives. I literally just chose to. I had hard work from a young age (farm kid) but many people had gloomy attitudes about the way the world was headed (think GD in real life). I found out that you could choose what to think so I started choosing to think the way I wanted to think. I'm no billionaire like the rest of GD, but I'm definitely doing ok. It is a fascinating subject, one that I've spent too much study on. It’s the most fascinating of subjects. I wouldn’t have succeeded at anything, if I didn’t start out with the naive optimism of youth. ..don’t have much of it left in the tank these days, but I have enough to make it to a comfortable retirement. How does one get enthusiasm and motivation, if they don’t have it? I just started another thread on this question, but accidentally deleted it. Maybe I’ll re-do it tonight. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:29:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Oh, I forgot one other thing where I have to get it on: When boomers blame millennials for things they did to us. Best example is participation trophies. Yeah look, the first time I got a participation trophy, back in 1991, I should have gone to my baseball coach (who was in his early 30s at the time, do the math) thrown it at his feet and said something like "this is trophy is bullshit, we came in last place in the league. What are you trying to do, turn us into a bunch of f***** c***s that don't know which bathroom to use?". I should have said that, instead of just standing there confused. It would have been mega based. However, in my defense, I was six years old at the time, and didn't know most of those words.  i dig it. only thing you can do when confronted with b**ma logic is reverse said b**ma logic on da b**mas. to da b**mas: where is your god now?  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:31:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: It's the most fascinating of subjects. I wouldn't have succeeded at anything, if I didn't start out with the naive optimism of youth. ..don't have much of it left in the tank these days, but I have enough to make it to a comfortable retirement. How does one get enthusiasm and motivation, if they don't have it? I just started another thread on this question, but accidentally deleted it. Maybe I'll re-do it tonight. yet another thing the got dayum millennials have fucked up. 
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:34:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Well, for me its really just clapping back at the condescension. I actually don't mind struggles. History is moving, "nothing ever happens" fam is getting riggity rekt. The struggle just makes life more interesting. That's one thing the zoomers could do better: Embrace being on the "hard times" part of the cycle, because what the "good times" part of it produces is indignant and embarrassing. What gets me GPH mode is when boomers say things in the "avacado toast" category, or any version of "five miles to school uphill both ways" or "I had a paper route and I only got paid ($23/hr in 2024 dollars)". The JuSt LeArN a TrAdE thing is when I really have to get it on because the last time there wasn't any getting hired going on in the awl field I took a little detour doing exactly that. Its not that its not true, its just that there is a lot of nuance involved. That's why I always reply with "oh yeah, which ones, be specific" Also any version of "just shake the plant managers hand" or reminding me to have good manners is pretty fun too. Oh, I forgot one other thing where I have to get it on: When boomers blame millennials for things they did to us. Best example is participation trophies. Yeah look, the first time I got a participation trophy, back in 1991, I should have gone to my baseball coach (who was in his early 30s at the time, do the math) thrown it at his feet and said something like "this is trophy is bullshit, we came in last place in the league. What are you trying to do, turn us into a bunch of f***** c***s that don't know which bathroom to use?". I should have said that, instead of just standing there confused. It would have been mega based. However, in my defense, I was six years old at the time, and didn't know most of those words. Oh man, I pointed out the participation trophy bs earlier in the thread. All I got was “That wasn’t us, it was the millennials!” Apparently these guys let their kids run the little league. |
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