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Posted: 4/18/2024 12:28:42 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cat-mechanic: I'd have to dig it out, but I know I have one of the few aluminum lowers that Cav made.  Like this?   Attached File |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 12:34:21 PM EDT
[#2]
I bought a Cav-Aid lower back in the day. Never did anything with it. Sold it eventually.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 12:35:00 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: At one point those were getting blown out at 5/$100....hard to pass up a stack of lowers for less than a BCG. O_o Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: Originally Posted By Jupiter7: Have the sabre defense one, talk about double ATF whammy Built as lightweight P&W 14.5 beater iron sighted gun https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/423396/IMG_2003_jpeg-3190886.JPG At one point those were getting blown out at 5/$100....hard to pass up a stack of lowers for less than a BCG. O_o I got a bunch of those, gave some away for Christmas and built this for a lightweight build.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 12:36:35 PM EDT
[#4]
I've wanted to pick up one of these for a dedicated 22 lower.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 12:36:46 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzzFaceKillah: For you guys that still have these lowers, what's the lightest non-sbr build you've been able to put together? With optic? Without? I'd kinda like to try one of the gwacs ones if they're true to the originals. The one I just posted was 5.4 lbs I believe. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 12:36:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Earl_Basset]
[#6]
My main AR that I use is on my OD Green Cav Lower. Love it, will probably always be my go to AR.
Dissipator, stainless barrel, Leopold VX1 on it, red light for predators. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 12:46:26 PM EDT
[#7]
I've got a green one, rarely makes it out of the safe.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 12:54:04 PM EDT
[#8]
It’s an interesting concept, but apparently they were staffed by shitheads.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:03:06 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: At one point those were getting blown out at 5/$100....hard to pass up a stack of lowers for less than a BCG. O_o Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: Originally Posted By Jupiter7: Have the sabre defense one, talk about double ATF whammy Built as lightweight P&W 14.5 beater iron sighted gun https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/423396/IMG_2003_jpeg-3190886.JPG At one point those were getting blown out at 5/$100....hard to pass up a stack of lowers for less than a BCG. O_o Ke arms is $64 at Brownells now That's less than a bcg and certainly tempting. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:05:07 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzzFaceKillah: For you guys that still have these lowers, what's the lightest non-sbr build you've been able to put together? With optic? Without? I'd kinda like to try one of the gwacs ones if they're true to the originals. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:08:31 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Ke arms is $64 at Brownells now That's less than a bcg and certainly tempting. The gwacs Cav-15 lowers are $129 for fde with takedown pins already installed. Black and OD blems for like $80 or so. Not sure how KE compares to them, but some guys further up in the thread didn't have anything good to say about KE ownership. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:13:04 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R2point0: Careful with the GWACS lowers. Their last blowout were blems: nominally cosmetic only, but I got one where the holes for the upper pins are off just slightly. Yeah, I just posted about some blems. They have non blem FDE available currently. Thanks for the heads up though. I've got other stuff I need before that and with PSA putting out $29-$39 aluminum lowers fairly regularly now I'll probably just stick with those. Would be nice to have a 5.5lb AR for the tractor/farm use type stuff though. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:25:31 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Ke arms is $64 at Brownells now That's less than a bcg and certainly tempting. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By WesJanson: Originally Posted By Jupiter7: Have the sabre defense one, talk about double ATF whammy Built as lightweight P&W 14.5 beater iron sighted gun https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/423396/IMG_2003_jpeg-3190886.JPG At one point those were getting blown out at 5/$100....hard to pass up a stack of lowers for less than a BCG. O_o Ke arms is $64 at Brownells now That's less than a bcg and certainly tempting. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:28:19 PM EDT
[#14]
Don't a bunch here have colorful ones too? I remember pics of yellow, blue, pink. Or are those just the polymers?
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:31:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: stgdz]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzzFaceKillah: The gwacs Cav-15 lowers are $129 for fde with takedown pins already installed. Black and OD blems for like $80 or so. Not sure how KE compares to them, but some guys further up in the thread didn't have anything good to say about KE ownership. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzzFaceKillah: Originally Posted By stgdz: Ke arms is $64 at Brownells now That's less than a bcg and certainly tempting. The gwacs Cav-15 lowers are $129 for fde with takedown pins already installed. Black and OD blems for like $80 or so. Not sure how KE compares to them, but some guys further up in the thread didn't have anything good to say about KE ownership. Ya know I have kept quiet on that part, but the lower has been great. It's everything I wanted for an A1 if not a regular lower. People are butt hurt over what Karl said. If they don't like it don't buy it. I agreed with some of what Karl and will keep buying there stuff. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:37:27 PM EDT
[#16]
I still have a pre-aid black one. No upper on it right now.
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:41:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: grendelbane]
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DefMan: Don't a bunch here have colorful ones too? I remember pics of yellow, blue, pink. Or are those just the polymers? I think they even had a glow in the dark one. But, even the plain vanilla black ones, like mine, take really well to Krylon. 
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:43:08 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grendelbane: I still have one, and shoot it occasionally. It has an Oly Arms .45 upper, and is fed by grease gun magazines. Lots of fun, and with the long barrel it is almost hearing safe, (almost). Kind of heavy with 30 rounds of 230 grain ammo, though. If you can get ahold of the documentation, I believe it warns specifically against doing that. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:53:00 PM EDT
[#19]
I've got a couple of yellow ones, blue ones and I think red ones.
Never assembled them. Still in original packaging I think. Receiver/stock and forearms. But then I had a kid and finances moved elsewhere. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 1:57:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Air: If you can get ahold of the documentation, I believe it warns specifically against doing that. Against doing what? It was specifically designed to accept grease gun magazines. I don't remember any documentation coming with mine, but I spent time on the old Cavalry Arms website and don't remember it saying anything about not using Olympic Arms uppers. In any case after several thousand rounds, mostly mild, a few wild, it is still functioning fine, and doesn't show any signs of damage. They did recommend an 9 ounce buffer, which is what I use. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 2:03:35 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Ya know I have kept quiet on that part, but the lower has been great. It's everything I wanted for an A1 if not a regular lower. People are butt hurt over what Karl said. If they don't like it don't buy it. I agreed with some of what Karl and will keep buying there stuff. I've got no dog in that hunt, don't even know what the guy said. Just what others mentioned previously. For the price I may try one. It's not like we don't all buy shit made in China and they're definitely a bigger threat than some dude who pumps out polymer lowers in the US. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 2:05:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bikedamon]
[#22]
I bought one of the KE lowers as a cheap home for my Can Cannon upper.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 2:07:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2024 2:08:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: towerofpower94]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzzFaceKillah: The gwacs Cav-15 lowers are $129 for fde with takedown pins already installed. Black and OD blems for like $80 or so. Not sure how KE compares to them, but some guys further up in the thread didn't have anything good to say about KE ownership. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzzFaceKillah: Originally Posted By stgdz: Ke arms is $64 at Brownells now That's less than a bcg and certainly tempting. The gwacs Cav-15 lowers are $129 for fde with takedown pins already installed. Black and OD blems for like $80 or so. Not sure how KE compares to them, but some guys further up in the thread didn't have anything good to say about KE ownership. I got my KE Arms lower from a friend who won a gift certificate off a match prize table before the Russel and Karl shitshow that went down here. I SBR'd it and bult up a really short barreled blowback 9mm upper for my wife to use in PCC steel matches. It uses a Hahn magblock and 32rd Colt mags. Don't think I'd be buying one after the meltdown thread(s). |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 2:09:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grendelbane: I still have one, and shoot it occasionally. It has an Oly Arms .45 upper, and is fed by grease gun magazines. Lots of fun, and with the long barrel it is almost hearing safe, (almost). Kind of heavy with 30 rounds of 230 grain ammo, though. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 2:10:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joekizanyu: Apparently OOS Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joekizanyu: Originally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By WesJanson: Originally Posted By Jupiter7: Have the sabre defense one, talk about double ATF whammy Built as lightweight P&W 14.5 beater iron sighted gun https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/423396/IMG_2003_jpeg-3190886.JPG At one point those were getting blown out at 5/$100....hard to pass up a stack of lowers for less than a BCG. O_o Ke arms is $64 at Brownells now That's less than a bcg and certainly tempting. would not be surprised if Brownells sells out all current KP-15 and doesn't restock. the gwacs lawsuit and resulting political shitstorm had to put a bad stink on the products. I have 2 KP-15, solid products, no issues. they are the only current production monolithic polymer lowers I think. I threw together a 5.56 upper with the surplus Bushmaster pencil barrel that CDNN Sports is selling for $80 and it balances nicely. when I put a government profile upper on it, cg was about 2" in front of the pivot pin, felt goofy and front heavy. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 2:33:23 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jupiter7: Have the sabre defense one, talk about double ATF whammy Built as lightweight P&W 14.5 beater iron sighted gun https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/423396/IMG_2003_jpeg-3190886.JPG I still have mine. I put a WOLF T91 upper on it for a different look. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 2:36:55 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chibajoe: Why yes, yes I do.  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/100464/cav-lw_JPG-3191276.JPG Oh that actually works. I didn't buy a broken Carbon 15 rifle because it looked like the upper was too different. I've got the KE with a pencil barreled regular upper. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 2:42:01 PM EDT
[#29]
I always thought they looked dumb as hell and…bloated.
And the 6th principle of patrolling is looking cool….which those lowers do not. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 2:48:07 PM EDT
[#30]
I like em.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 2:49:28 PM EDT
[#31]
I have 2 in OD and 2 in black. But I'd really love some of the colored ones.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 2:56:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: packinheavy]
[#32]
I have an OD original MKII Cavarms with no upper, a black GWACS built into a WWSD like rifle, a FDE and an OD KE both in various stages of completion.
I have plenty and I doubt I'll ever buy more. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 3:25:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fsjdw2]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eli75: I believe he did. Ive got a yellow one set up to have that done. I kept waffling back and forth between Dewalt and CAT. It is in teh safe, was my first LW build, it is sub 5 IIRC, and shoots great, though the lack of adjustable LOP means it isnt as handy. I had a green one set up for 5.45 corrosive for a while when tha stuff was 80 bucks a case. Bought like 10 cases of it, shot the hell out of it regularly, then to clean id take barrel, bolt, charging handle on bottom rack of dish washer, the upper was "top rack only" |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 3:32:56 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grendelbane: Against doing what? It was specifically designed to accept grease gun magazines. I don't remember any documentation coming with mine, but I spent time on the old Cavalry Arms website and don't remember it saying anything about not using Olympic Arms uppers. In any case after several thousand rounds, mostly mild, a few wild, it is still functioning fine, and doesn't show any signs of damage. They did recommend an 9 ounce buffer, which is what I use. 45 caliber. Its been too long since I've seen it but I remember that much. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 3:38:02 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Air: 45 caliber. Its been too long since I've seen it but I remember that much. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 4:01:53 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R2point0: Given that the Hahn .45 grease gun mag block was specifically designed for - and only fits in - Cavarms lowers, I doubt your assertion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R2point0: Originally Posted By Air: 45 caliber. Its been too long since I've seen it but I remember that much. You are supposed to run a very heavy buffer though. That is the only special thing I did when running an Oly upper on my Cavarms lowers. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 5:13:40 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By racer765: would not be surprised if Brownells sells out all current KP-15 and doesn't restock. the gwacs lawsuit and resulting political shitstorm had to put a bad stink on the products.
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 5:22:54 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Air: 45 caliber. Its been too long since I've seen it but I remember that much. Well, back in the day they clearly stated that a grease gun magazine would fit when the Hahn mag block was used. They also said an 8 ounce buffer was required. (I hit the 9 key by accident in my earlier post). I ran a very few rounds through it that were definitely +p loads, with none of the cases looking any different. Of course, bolt velocity may have got high enough to be damaging, but I have fired over a thousand rounds since that experiment. If the lower is cracking from excessive recoil, I can't see it. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 5:35:52 PM EDT
[#39]
Still have my cav-aid lower sitting in the back of the safe.
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Posted: 4/18/2024 5:37:00 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: The people him and the other guy hang out with also work with Antifa/JBGC guys. One of their friends that they do content with was CHAZ security and maybe involved with shooting those kids on that joy ride. KE Arms is what I was thinking of. I thought there was a connection between the two. SinistralRifleman Dude should probably be in prison but there was never any investigation of the shooting because CHAZ security policed the scene and wouldn't let the cops come in |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 5:46:12 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R2point0: I have 2 in OD and 2 in black. But I'd really love some of the colored ones. Dude, colored ones is not the preferred nomenclature. Lowers of color (LOC's), please. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 6:01:44 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Ya know I have kept quiet on that part, but the lower has been great. It's everything I wanted for an A1 if not a regular lower. People are butt hurt over what Karl said. If they don't like it don't buy it. I agreed with some of what Karl and will keep buying there stuff. What part do you agree with? The socialism, eradication of current gun culture, taking away parental rights over their children? The mutilation of children's genitals? The love of John Brown? Hatred of conservatives? Being friends with Antifa militants? |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 6:03:41 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancat: SinistralRifleman Dude should probably be in prison but there was never any investigation of the shooting because CHAZ security policed the scene and wouldn't let the cops come in No, Tacticool Girlfriend is who I'm talking about. Seen in pictures at CHAZ as security. Does videos with Russel (SinistralRifleman) and Karl. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 6:07:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lazyengineer]
[#44]
I never did as I thought they were ugly. I wish I had, they were piss cheap and the ultimate lightweight KISS lower. I've gottten much more into light-builds now, and those were pretty exceptional IIRC as light-build lowers.
Durability I think was spotty though. But for the prices they were charging, I should have bought 1. I should have bought 5 of them. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 6:42:18 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancat: SinistralRifleman Dude should probably be in prison but there was never any investigation of the shooting because CHAZ security policed the scene and wouldn't let the cops come in Just to clarify: sinistral rifleman is not the person that was Brownshirt militia at CHAZ. That person uses something like “Tacticool Girlfriend.” Not, biologically speaking, a girl. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2024 6:48:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: feetpiece]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Wizard_Of_Odd: Like this? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54986/IMG_9859_jpeg-3191197.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Wizard_Of_Odd: Like this? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/54986/IMG_9859_jpeg-3191197.JPG I ragert not buying a couple of those back when Shawn was still active on GOTX Originally Posted By FightingHellfish: Just to clarify: sinistral rifleman is not the person that was Brownshirt militia at CHAZ. That person uses something like “Tacticool Girlfriend.” Not, biologically speaking, a girl. I appreciate that clarification. It's been a while since the other forum got shut down but I don't remember him being a tool |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 6:58:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By feetpiece: I ragert not buying a couple of those back when Shawn was still active on GOTX I appreciate that clarification. It's been a while since the other forum got shut down but I don't remember him being a tool Oh, he might be a tool, but he’s not a veteran of the insurgency at CHAZ. |
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:08:48 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: One of the key employees (Russel Phagan) at the old Cav Arms is now with KE Arms where they make the new derivative plastic lower. He is aligned with an online wannabe social media red coffee shop revolutionary. It’s unclear if Russel is a commie or just retarded. 
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Posted: 4/18/2024 7:13:03 PM EDT
[#49]
Yes.
1 with my name as the serial number. One with each of my daughter’s names. Need to get an upper to finish theirs. |
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Posted: 4/19/2024 8:54:04 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bacon_Grease: Oh that actually works. I didn't buy a broken Carbon 15 rifle because it looked like the upper was too different. I've got the KE with a pencil barreled regular upper. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bacon_Grease: Originally Posted By chibajoe: Why yes, yes I do. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/100464/cav-lw_JPG-3191276.JPG Oh that actually works. I didn't buy a broken Carbon 15 rifle because it looked like the upper was too different. I've got the KE with a pencil barreled regular upper. The uppers are different, but will bolt up to a regular lower. |
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