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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:09:07 PM EDT
[#1]
Makes you wonder how long we could last. War is very expensive.
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:25:21 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: FIFY Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: Originally Posted By R_S: A well The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. FIFY Maybe look up definitions of well regulated from the time it was written. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:29:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1975]
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittlePony: Considering most of them fail to meet their required expenditure to meet NATO yearly requirements for decades now this is no surprise. None of them after ww2 ended has ever spent enough on defense, if they all spent a solid 3% from 1950 to now they would be in better shape. They don’t have the money. Great Britain is struggling financially after Brexit. I supported Brexit but it now costs small and medium sized businesses three times what it did to transact with the EU because of duplicated regulations and red tape. Poverty amongst the middle class is rampant. Brexit isn’t the only reason but they’re lagging the EU in terms of post-Covid recovery. They also never fully recovered after the 2008 financial crises. Right now, if you’re middle class in GB, it feels like the recession during the first two years of the Thatcher government before she turned it around, except I don’t see things turning around. Not for at least a decade. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:33:42 PM EDT
[#4]
Arfcom would last longer than Britains military.
Which would leave nukes. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:57:33 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1975: They don’t have the money. Great Britain is struggling financially after Brexit. I supported Brexit but it now costs small and medium sized businesses three times what it did to transact with the EU because of duplicated regulations and red tape. Poverty amongst the middle class is rampant. Brexit isn’t the only reason but they’re lagging the EU in terms of post-Covid recovery. They also never fully recovered after the 2008 financial crises. Right now, if you’re middle class in GB, it feels like the recession during the first two years of the Thatcher government before she turned it around, except I don’t see things turning around. Not for at least a decade. The UK problem is not Brexit. It comes down to one word: Socialism. They are suffocating under the burden of a stifling bureaucracy that is absorbing all their wealth to enforce nanny state regulations to promote "fairness" and house free loading third world migrants. They are trying to register every bird kept in the country for goodness sake. That kind of over head does not leave anything for the common people to survive on. To think Britain was once the ruler of the literal world it is sobering to see where they are now. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:58:53 PM EDT
[#6]
But surely those fancy new KAC rifles they got will turn the tide...
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Posted: 3/28/2024 10:10:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1975]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 86Tiger: The UK problem is not Brexit. It comes down to one word: Socialism. They are suffocating under the burden of a stifling bureaucracy that is absorbing all their wealth to enforce nanny state regulations to promote "fairness" and house free loading third world migrants. They are trying to register every bird kept in the country for goodness sake. That kind of over head does not leave anything for the common people to survive on. To think Britain was once the ruler of the literal world it is sobering to see where they are now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 86Tiger: Originally Posted By 1975: They don’t have the money. Great Britain is struggling financially after Brexit. I supported Brexit but it now costs small and medium sized businesses three times what it did to transact with the EU because of duplicated regulations and red tape. Poverty amongst the middle class is rampant. Brexit isn’t the only reason but they’re lagging the EU in terms of post-Covid recovery. They also never fully recovered after the 2008 financial crises. Right now, if you’re middle class in GB, it feels like the recession during the first two years of the Thatcher government before she turned it around, except I don’t see things turning around. Not for at least a decade. The UK problem is not Brexit. It comes down to one word: Socialism. They are suffocating under the burden of a stifling bureaucracy that is absorbing all their wealth to enforce nanny state regulations to promote "fairness" and house free loading third world migrants. They are trying to register every bird kept in the country for goodness sake. That kind of over head does not leave anything for the common people to survive on. To think Britain was once the ruler of the literal world it is sobering to see where they are now. I said Brexit wasn’t the only reason, but Brexit isn’t working because of the stifling bureaucracy you mention, If they would implement it correctly it would go a long way. Scotland enjoys free trade with both GB and the EU and the difference is night and day. I agree with you that on all other fronts they’re nuts. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 10:17:26 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1975: I said Brexit wasn’t the only reason, but Brexit isn’t working because of the stifling bureaucracy you mention, If they would implement it correctly it would go a long way. Scotland enjoys free trade with both GB and the EU and the difference is night and day. I agree with you that on all other fronts they’re nuts. Scotland is part of the UK maybe you got it mixed up with N Ireland they share a border with the south so they have a special arrangement with the EU . |
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USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 10:18:07 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: FIFY It would be nice if it said that, sadly, languages change with time. Regulated used to have that meaning, or maybe more like reliable and accurate, like a well regulated watch. The shift in language has given the ignorant and likely some who know its older meaning but are just evil an opportunity to claim the second means something else. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 10:23:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Seek help. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Originally Posted By cranberry1: Originally Posted By Sketti: Originally Posted By cranberry1: The UK doesn't need 2 months they'd have the Russians beat in two weeks .  I'm not sure why your laughing because it's true the UK by itself would fuck Russia up in a heartbeat . |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 10:42:16 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancat: I believe we've moved a shit ton of equipment to Australia in the past year. Yes |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 10:44:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cwm1150: Maybe if the funded their military properly and introduced conscription they might stand a chance. To be fair they’ve been pretty close to 2% GDP for most of the past 20 years and 2% a few years in that time frame which is why I wondered aloud what that means for their NATO members who spend less year after year. We know Germany is a mess but I mean the rest - Spain, Italy, etc. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 10:50:15 PM EDT
[#13]
When the goal is to milk it for all its worth.. you cannot just drop in and win now can you.
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Posted: 3/28/2024 10:59:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sketti]
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cranberry1: I'm not sure why your laughing because it's true the UK by itself would fuck Russia up in a heartbeat . Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cranberry1: Originally Posted By Sketti: Originally Posted By cranberry1: The UK doesn't need 2 months they'd have the Russians beat in two weeks . I'm not sure why your laughing because it's true the UK by itself would fuck Russia up in a heartbeat . Yeah, not happening. The UK is fucked, nothing but soy boys and Muslims and neither would fight for the UK. I think your confused because the Ukrainians are putting up a decent fight against the Russians. What you're missing is the Ukrainian men have balls whereas the Brits lost theirs!  Attached File |
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USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 11:08:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: They already did, that's why they can't fight Russia. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By AK-12: May as well send all of their equipment to Ukraine! They already did, that's why they can't fight Russia. Thatsthejokeobviously.jpg But it's a tardbaked joke because based on the premise of fighting Russia, the equipment they are sending to Ukraine is literally doing that, and they don't even have to bleed to do it. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 11:19:22 PM EDT
[#16]
Doesn't matter how good the tech is if the stockpiles are thin. If you can't sustain major combat operations, you will find unpleasant surrender terms in your future. It would probably be rather humiliating to have planes, copters, guns, ships, and tanks that beat the pants off the enemy, but too few with too little ammo to actually win.
Russia has a chance to reshape Europe - politically, militarily, and geographically. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 11:22:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: daemon734]
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pmo12: Thatsthejokeobviously.jpg But it's a tardbaked joke because based on the premise of fighting Russia, the equipment they are sending to Ukraine is literally doing that, and they don't even have to bleed to do it. Except when Ukraine loses UK, Germany, etc are now bent over with their pants completely around their ankles. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 6:53:15 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cranberry1: I'm not sure why your laughing because it's true the UK by itself would fuck Russia up in a heartbeat . Last I heard, the Brits could barely scrape together a full squadron of Typhoons that could employ their range of weapons. Between shortages of equipment and training, they were hurting. No clue how the Tornado fleet is holding up. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 6:56:16 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556therapy: Makes you wonder how long we could last. War is very expensive. We did last 20 years in Afghanistan. But that was against goat herding sandal wearing cave dwellers |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:10:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Coffin-Nail]
[#20]
https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/royal-navy-now-more-admirals-2605063
Royal Navy now has more admirals than warships The MOD has said there 34 serving Admirals, Vice Admirals and Rear Admirals and 75 ships - but only 19 of these are operational warships |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:10:27 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: FIFY Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronin72: Originally Posted By R_S: A well The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. FIFY It's the same thing |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:19:20 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Except when Ukraine loses UK, Germany, etc are now bent over with their pants completely around their ankles.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:24:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By delemorte: Yup. its not like they had a huge glaring use case staring them in the face for 2 years.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By delemorte: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: I'm sure they'll just keep voicing big concerns about MIC production capacity. And continue standing around with their thumbs up their ass instead of fixing the problem. Ya know.... like they've done since Feb 22 Yup. its not like they had a huge glaring use case staring them in the face for 2 years.. 2014 is when Russia took Crimea. I think the Georgia invasion was around then as well. Plus isis and other shit everywhere. France fought islamists in Africa but all of Europe did nothing to rearm or stop muzzies from invading |
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TUN
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:26:37 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1975: They don't have the money. Great Britain is struggling financially after Brexit. I supported Brexit but it now costs small and medium sized businesses three times what it did to transact with the EU because of duplicated regulations and red tape. Poverty amongst the middle class is rampant. Brexit isn't the only reason but they're lagging the EU in terms of post-Covid recovery. They also never fully recovered after the 2008 financial crises. Right now, if you're middle class in GB, it feels like the recession during the first two years of the Thatcher government before she turned it around, except I don't see things turning around. Not for at least a decade. |
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TUN
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:27:16 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 86Tiger: The UK problem is not Brexit. It comes down to one word: Socialism. They are suffocating under the burden of a stifling bureaucracy that is absorbing all their wealth to enforce nanny state regulations to promote "fairness" and house free loading third world migrants. They are trying to register every bird kept in the country for goodness sake. That kind of over head does not leave anything for the common people to survive on. To think Britain was once the ruler of the literal world it is sobering to see where they are now. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 7:34:43 AM EDT
[#26]
UK is now just a protectorate of India and Pakistan so it makes sense.
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MO, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:17:28 AM EDT
[#27]
fpni
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:20:54 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Like_Button: UK is now just a protectorate of |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:45:19 AM EDT
[#29]
NATO destroyed Europe.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:11:45 AM EDT
[#30]
Invading Russia, true but in a Russian invasion they have the Channel as a very effective buffer.
Does Russia even have enough heavy lift aircraft to bring in teh equipment it would need by air? |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:17:03 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AA717driver: Last I heard, the Brits could barely scrape together a full squadron of Typhoons that could employ their range of weapons. Between shortages of equipment and training, they were hurting. No clue how the Tornado fleet is holding up. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:27:56 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: To be fair they've been pretty close to 2% GDP for most of the past 20 years and 2% a few years in that time frame which is why I wondered aloud what that means for their NATO members who spend less year after year. We know Germany is a mess but I mean the rest - Spain, Italy, etc. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:15:31 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ryandushku: That 2% number is complete bullshit tho, they have to throw in pensions and foreign aid to get over the 2% mark. They aren't the worst offenders but they are definitely misleading when they claim to be "fulfilling their NATO commitments" That’s why I said close - it was around 1.8 without that stuff |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:48:44 AM EDT
[#34]
It's been interesting watching the realignment of European militaries, especially with the rise of Poland, France and soon Germany.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:56:04 AM EDT
[#35]
 
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:06:10 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By juan223: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/137019/1000004347_jpg-3172569.JPG  Not weak, but if things go that way, just not strong enough to beat Russia. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:13:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cranberry1]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AA717driver: Last I heard, the Brits could barely scrape together a full squadron of Typhoons that could employ their range of weapons. Between shortages of equipment and training, they were hurting. No clue how the Tornado fleet is holding up. Tornados are gone it's Euro fighter Typhoon and F35's now . |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:18:08 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: I'm sure they'll just keep voicing big concerns about MIC production capacity. And continue standing around with their thumbs up their ass instead of fixing the problem. Ya know.... like they've done since Feb 22 Yup. This is my problem. Basically all of Western Europe is in full meltdown over a possible war with Russia, yet NONE of them are doing anything meaningful. Doubling or tripling pathetic capacities that are meaningless is a fucking virtue signaling. Until they start actually cranking up production to realistic needed numbers, I don't give a su gle fuck about any of them, and I fucking hate Russia. I will for about the 20ths time say on here u would gleefully cheer on Russia slaughtering Germany, as Germany is out second biggest foe after China. Their social and green policies that they have pushed on all of Europe via their EU leadership have spilled over to the US. Fuck Germany even more than fuck Russia. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:34:59 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 56xdx_Z: https://i.ibb.co/HVkkpP0/challenger1.jpg https://i.ibb.co/bmtbxL9/challenger2.jpg This is a perfect example of "Trust the experts" Much like we saw during Covid and basically every major foreign policy of the last 40 years, the journalists and Bureaucratic experts are actually a group of fucking retards. They are nearly always wrong. Them along with think tanks in DC are employed by self inflated idiots that are all ivy league educated and have no ability to us any type of actual logic. Game theory is foreign to them. They are only capable of doing what they have been taught and have no ability to do anything that wasn't already written down in an "if then" scenario 40 plus years ago. They are beyond predictable. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:47:41 PM EDT
[#40]
Does Russia even have the global force projection necessary to invade the UK?
If they UK deployed to meet them in the field, sure the British would get crushed. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:51:48 PM EDT
[#41]
Almost all the wargames in the 80s about a hypothetical WW3 assumed logistical breakdown after 1-2 months.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 12:52:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Evintos]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: To be fair they’ve been pretty close to 2% GDP for most of the past 20 years and 2% a few years in that time frame which is why I wondered aloud what that means for their NATO members who spend less year after year. We know Germany is a mess but I mean the rest - Spain, Italy, etc. France (one of the largest militaries in Europe) is also in bad shape. General Francois Chauvancy (retd.) of the French Military publicly stated on French television, they have already given 40% of total artillery to Ukraine. If you were to use artillery as the gauge for the rest of their equipment and munitions, then French stockpiles are very likely woefully inadequate for a large scale war. Essentially all the media about Russia running out of equipment and supplies is more of a reflection of NATO itself. All these freeloaders (except perhaps Poland) just want Uncle Sugar to cover everything. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 1:09:55 PM EDT
[#43]
If the Royal Navy is down to 2 dozen or fewer ships, any kind of effective sneak attack would have them down to single digits within 24 hours. You don't rule the waves with that type of force, especially as an island nation.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 1:50:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ryandushku]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: That's why I said close - it was around 1.8 without that stuff It's just kinda sad to see |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 1:51:43 PM EDT
[#45]
Churchill is rolling over in his grave.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 1:51:59 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dedreckon: 2014 is when Russia took Crimea. I think the Georgia invasion was around then as well. Plus isis and other shit everywhere. France fought islamists in Africa but all of Europe did nothing to rearm or stop muzzies from invading Georgia was 2008. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 2:00:41 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: This is a perfect example of "Trust the experts" Much like we saw during Covid and basically every major foreign policy of the last 40 years, the journalists and Bureaucratic experts are actually a group of fucking retards. They are nearly always wrong. Them along with think tanks in DC are employed by self inflated idiots that are all ivy league educated and have no ability to us any type of actual logic. Game theory is foreign to them. They are only capable of doing what they have been taught and have no ability to do anything that wasn't already written down in an "if then" scenario 40 plus years ago. They are beyond predictable. Agreed. "Trust the experts" really means "Trust what the experts are saying today, and ignore any contradictions from past statements", which is cult logic. The pathetic flip flopping about COVID masks was a big example. Or how they said it came from contaminated food in Wuhan, but please still support local restaurants, because it cannot be transmitted via food. They want people to "Trust the experts" as like a public demonstration / shibboleth that they have suspended disbelief and logic in submission to the federal authorities. I see it being similar to the pronouns issue. Putting a "He/Him" on your Teams profile is a public demonstration that you have suspended disbelief and are playing along with something obviously stupid. I think they also do this about the Russia conflict. Parroting obvious lies like "Russia Bombed their own Nord Stream" is done more as virtue signalling, to show that an individual is willing to believe anything the experts say, even if its blatant shit, so they are on the "good" side. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 4:02:00 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FedDC: NATO destroyed Europe. Hmmmm Yea, I suspect in a way it has |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 4:06:05 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 56xdx_Z: Agreed. "Trust the experts" really means "Trust what the experts are saying today, and ignore any contradictions from past statements", which is cult logic. The pathetic flip flopping about COVID masks was a big example. Or how they said it came from contaminated food in Wuhan, but please still support local restaurants, because it cannot be transmitted via food. They want people to "Trust the experts" as like a public demonstration / shibboleth that they have suspended disbelief and logic in submission to the federal authorities. I see it being similar to the pronouns issue. Putting a "He/Him" on your Teams profile is a public demonstration that you have suspended disbelief and are playing along with something obviously stupid. I think they also do this about the Russia conflict. Parroting obvious lies like "Russia Bombed their own Nord Stream" is done more as virtue signalling, to show that an individual is willing to believe anything the experts say, even if its blatant shit, so they are on the "good" side. Well stated |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 4:06:08 PM EDT
[#50]
Then the UK is useless and needs to be booted out of NATO.
Hell, lets face it, there may be 2-3 NATO members that could fight more then a month or two. That's it. It's why NATO should be disbanded and Europe told to F off and deal with Russia on their own. They are weak because they decided to be weak because ''someone else'' was going to do all the heavy lifting for them. |
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