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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:03:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lug1: Take the choker out for pancakes. Put a bottle of visine in his chocolate milk. What if OP is in Denver? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:03:58 PM EDT
[#2]
suggest your kid get better skills
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:04:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 80085: What if OP is in Denver? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:05:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Label: Cobra Kai! Tell your kid to sweep the leg.  Fear Does Not Exist In This Dojo | JOHNNY LAWRENCE EDIT ???? |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:06:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bbodiford: Dang, it’s almost like they’re at a place where they could be taught discipline and an understanding of how to do things the right way instead of immediately kicking them to the curb. Being new and not understanding is one thing, kids not paying attention, happens all the time, being assholes to each other is every day in class, but Aimless described an outright refusal to let go of a choke when the partner tapped and the instructor had to pry the kid off. If our gym knowingly lets that student continue to train, that is a lawsuit and the end of our gym. We are an MMA gym for reference here, not some bullshit Gracie barra either. It’s unacceptable risk to the gym and our students. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:06:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 80085: What if OP is in Denver? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 80085: Originally Posted By Lug1:. Take the choker out for pancakes. Put a bottle of visine in his chocolate milk. What if OP is in Denver? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:06:31 PM EDT
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I agree with whoever said to give the instructors leeway to handle this.
But seriously, tell your son that if the kid does it again, he needs to do whatever he has to do to get out of the choke. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:07:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By flyhack72: Or you could just pay some girls $5 and be done with it.  The Nice Guys - Main Trailer [HD] |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:07:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: Even the ladies' class looks like more than I could handle Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: Originally Posted By 80085: Is it a crime to accost and tell a minor in Utah that next time you'll choke his ass out and piss on him? That’s because they haven’t seen your mad nunchaku skills. Yet. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:07:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: Even the ladies' class looks like more than I could handle You should buy a Nice Purse and join those Ladies... 
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FM, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:07:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: flyhack72]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By randomhero97: My son's wrestling squad has a "choker." During practice, my son complained to me about getting choked when he was paired up for open mat. I told him next time he's paired up for open mat, get the take down and as you're getting top control drive your forearm into his neck. Hopefully, lesson learned. Probably not the best advice, but I would rather him handle on the mat. Teach him to spiral ride and don't be shy where his hand goes. If the opponent starts standing hit an elevator. Suck it up and in. The kid will be walking bowlegged after the match and he won't want to wrestle him again. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:09:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FuriousYachtsman: Are you gonna sue the instructor, the kid and/or Utah? Instructor did the right thing by intervening. Other kid should be grounded as punishment. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:11:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lug1: I must have missed 60 minutes. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:11:33 PM EDT
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Your child needs to develop a life long rivalry with the other child based on martial arts eventually forming different dojos and enlisting the support of other children decades from now to wage a private war against each other over a series of more and more complicated personal conflicts.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:12:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RikWriter: I agree with whoever said to give the instructors leeway to handle this. But seriously, tell your son that if the kid does it again, he needs to do whatever he has to do to get out of the choke. The problem is, if you are in a fully locked in rear naked choke, your only choice is tapping. The tap has to be respected in order for anyone to feel safe training in the gym. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:12:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: Denver banned listing soda and chocolate milk on kid's menus, like happy meals, this week. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: Originally Posted By Lug1: I must have missed 60 minutes. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:12:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bulldog1967: That's because they haven't seen your mad nunchaku skills. Yet. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:13:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar15-joe: If that happened in my kids BJJ class that kid would be gone. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:13:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: Your child needs to develop a life long rivalry with the other child based on martial arts eventually forming different dojos and enlisting the support of other children decades from now to wage a private war against each other over a series of more and more complicated personal conflicts. 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:14:03 PM EDT
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Get a lawyer. Oh, wait...
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:14:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EconProf: The problem is, if you are in a fully locked in rear naked choke, your only choice is tapping. The tap has to be respected in order for anyone to feel safe training in the gym. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EconProf: Originally Posted By RikWriter: I agree with whoever said to give the instructors leeway to handle this. But seriously, tell your son that if the kid does it again, he needs to do whatever he has to do to get out of the choke. The problem is, if you are in a fully locked in rear naked choke, your only choice is tapping. The tap has to be respected in order for anyone to feel safe training in the gym. This little bastard needs to be stopped! |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:14:48 PM EDT
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Wait, I thought you were about 70 years old and now you are telling us you have little kids?
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:15:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: I've seen kids spinning nunchucks around in there. I almost asked to buy one. My son says he thinks they're hollow. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:16:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeS369: Wait, I thought you were about 70 years old and now you are telling us you have little kids? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:16:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: Your child needs to develop a life long rivalry with the other child based on martial arts eventually forming different dojos and enlisting the support of other children decades from now to wage a private war against each other over a series of more and more complicated personal conflicts. The only question is which kid is the car salesman. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:16:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lug1: Handfull of testicles and crush as hard as you can, if you can gather the where with all to do so. This little bastard needs to be stopped! You can’t grab someone by the gonads when you’re in a locked in RNC. Their legs are wrapped around the front of your legs ensuring a great nut to lower back seal! |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:17:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EconProf: You can't grab someone by the gonads when you're in a locked in RNC. Their legs are wrapped around the front of your legs ensuring a great nut to lower back seal! And no shit.... 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:18:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeS369: Wait, I thought you were about 70 years old and now you are telling us you have little kids? Some of the neighborhood boys were playing Minecraft and I heard my son say "It's okay lots of people think he's my grand dad" I yelled "I can hear you" and they shouted back "Sorry!" Lol |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:18:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Aimless: Some kid wouldn't stop choking my kid even after he tapped out. (These are elementary school age kids) The instructor told the kid to stop and he wouldn't, so the instructor had to break the kid's grip on my kid's neck. My kid was pissed and sat out the rest of the class. When we went to leave he had problems talking and got pretty upset. My other kid said the choker had been told he had "two strikes" before that but didn't know what happened. Choker has also jokingly thrown punches, but pulled short, at my other kid, I guess joking around. We've had good luck in Utah. The kids are nice and the classes are fun. My kids have been thrown around by some pretty big kids but they just laugh. The place in NY seemed like it had more mean kids, I don't, maybe my kids were just younger. I never took classes until I was 14 and never saw anyone have to be stopped choking someone. Maybe this shit happens in little kid classes but I haven't seen it before. I'm thinking about telling them my kids aren't wrestling with this kid anymore. I don't need my little kids getting choked unconscious. :/ My kids are in a ton of activities. I really think the time would be better spent on tennis lol. Oh my kids like karate better and want to keep going. Inevitably you're going to run into some little prick who has issues and/or shithead parents no matter where you live. I'd talk to the sensei privately about it and explain how it's affected your kid's attitude and desire to participate. Either the choker will get fixed or get booted. Hopefully the sensei does the right thing and doesn't try to blow it off. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:18:28 PM EDT
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Let them know you're the litigious type
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:20:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeS369: Wait, I thought you were about 70 years old and now you are telling us you have little kids?  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:20:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EconProf: You can’t grab someone by the gonads when you’re in a locked in RNC. Their legs are wrapped around the front of your legs ensuring a great nut to lower back seal! Nobody gets their hooks in right. Go for broke and get that ankle lock. 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:20:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: I'm not quite that old and I had kids later in life. Some of the neighborhood boys were playing Minecraft and I heard my son say "It's okay lots of people think he's my grand dad" I yelled "I can hear you" and they shouted back "Sorry!" Lol Ha! |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:20:31 PM EDT
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Seriously though, I have been teaching kids class for 4 years now and we have only dealt with this once, and I’m quite certain the kid we had to ban from the gym had a very bad home life, physical abuse and all.
That shit cannot be tolerated. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:20:31 PM EDT
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Maybe the other kid is from NY or NJ?
Anyway, he doesn’t sound like he wants to listen to the instructor, maybe he has behavioral problems and the parents thought judo would teach him some control. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:21:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EconProf: Being new and not understanding is one thing, kids not paying attention, happens all the time, being assholes to each other is every day in class, but Aimless described an outright refusal to let go of a choke when the partner tapped and the instructor had to pry the kid off. If our gym knowingly lets that student continue to train, that is a lawsuit and the end of our gym. We are an MMA gym for reference here, not some bullshit Gracie barra either. It’s unacceptable risk to the gym and our students. MMA gym as well, and this is easily handled within the gym by the instructor. If that doesn’t work for whatever reason, then yeah cancel the membership. Canceling membership isn’t the first step. Especially for a kid. The whole liability thing is a poor argument considering there is precedent that you can really get sued no matter what if an injury happens regardless of intent. Competent instructors can address this, overweight guys in GD that can’t fight, cannot. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:21:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: Your child needs to develop a life long rivalry with the other child based on martial arts eventually forming different dojos and enlisting the support of other children decades from now to wage a private war against each other over a series of more and more complicated personal conflicts. 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:22:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Nobody gets their hooks in right. Go for broke and get that ankle lock. Kids ankles and knees are unbreakable, it’s why we don’t teach them heel hooks
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:23:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EconProf: Kids ankles and knees are unbreakable, it’s why we don’t teach them heel hooks  Attached File
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:23:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EconProf: In our gym that’s automatic membership termination regardless of age. I would not continue to take your kids to that school if they do not take training partner safety seriously. This. The kid failing to respond to an instructor command and requiring physical interaction to break the hold is grounds for removal from the class. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:24:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pallas: Maybe the other kid is from NY or NJ? Anyway, he doesn’t sound like he wants to listen to the instructor, maybe he has behavioral problems and the parents thought judo would teach him some control.  The Karate Kid Little street in Newark | The Karate kid (1984) Movie Filming Location |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:24:53 PM EDT
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"My dads a lawyer! He'll sue you!"
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:26:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bbodiford: MMA gym as well, and this is easily handled within the gym by the instructor. If that doesn’t work for whatever reason, then yeah cancel the membership. Canceling membership isn’t the first step. Especially for a kid. The whole liability thing is a poor argument considering there is precedent that you can really get sued no matter what if an injury happens regardless of intent. Competent instructors can address this, overweight guys in GD that can’t fight, cannot. I don’t know man, sure we could probably help the kid, but that’s a fuck load of liability you’re accepting. At the end of the day, our business, our rules. We are very clear on day one, any refusal to let go of a choke or a limb will result in termination of membership. That is told to the parents and to all the kids. Like I said in an earlier post, this has only been an issue one time in my 4 years of coaching kids. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:27:31 PM EDT
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Golf will serve your kids 100 times more in life.
When was the last time you asked your friends if they wanted to fight? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:29:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bbodiford: Dang, it’s almost like they’re at a place where they could be taught discipline and an understanding of how to do things the right way instead of immediately kicking them to the curb. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bbodiford: Originally Posted By EconProf: I’m also a purple belt, and I run the kids class at our gym. Any legitimate refusal to let go of a submission when they see or hear their partner tap is automatic membership termination. This has only been an issue one time. If a kid can’t respect a tap they aren’t mature enough to train at our gym and are a huge liability/potential lawsuit. Dang, it’s almost like they’re at a place where they could be taught discipline and an understanding of how to do things the right way instead of immediately kicking them to the curb. As noted in the OP, the kid has two strikes already, this is not immediately kicking to curb, it's a bad position of a serious injury occurs due to a kid who has been told repeatedly it's inappropriate and fails to heed the instructor . |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:31:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Bigdog: Golf will serve your kids 100 times more in life. When was the last time you asked your friends if they wanted to fight? Golf has been my family’s pastime for generations. Kelly Slater and Noel Salas love to golf too but Kelly studies Jujitsu when he has time |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:32:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ManiacRat: "My dads a lawyer! He'll sue you!" Sue Fu! |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:33:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RatherBeLifting]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bbodiford: MMA gym as well, and this is easily handled within the gym by the instructor. If that doesn’t work for whatever reason, then yeah cancel the membership. Canceling membership isn’t the first step. Especially for a kid. The whole liability thing is a poor argument considering there is precedent that you can really get sued no matter what if an injury happens regardless of intent. Competent instructors can address this, overweight guys in GD that can’t fight, cannot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bbodiford: Originally Posted By EconProf: Being new and not understanding is one thing, kids not paying attention, happens all the time, being assholes to each other is every day in class, but Aimless described an outright refusal to let go of a choke when the partner tapped and the instructor had to pry the kid off. If our gym knowingly lets that student continue to train, that is a lawsuit and the end of our gym. We are an MMA gym for reference here, not some bullshit Gracie barra either. It’s unacceptable risk to the gym and our students. MMA gym as well, and this is easily handled within the gym by the instructor. If that doesn’t work for whatever reason, then yeah cancel the membership. Canceling membership isn’t the first step. Especially for a kid. The whole liability thing is a poor argument considering there is precedent that you can really get sued no matter what if an injury happens regardless of intent. Competent instructors can address this, overweight guys in GD that can’t fight, cannot. ETA: Sorry, I misread that as "can't get sued". |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:36:39 PM EDT
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Discuss with the instructor teaching ways to break the choke hold. Talk to the owner about the problem.
 Escaping The Standing Rear Naked Choke: 3 Proven Techniques |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:36:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bbodiford]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EconProf: I don’t know man, sure we could probably help the kid, but that’s a fuck load of liability you’re accepting. At the end of the day, our business, our rules. We are very clear on day one, any refusal to let go of a choke or a limb will result in termination of membership. That is told to the parents and to all the kids. Like I said in an earlier post, this has only been an issue one time in my 4 years of coaching kids. Put him with bigger and better partners after speaking with him, have him get thrashed by someone slightly older and be taught a lesson, burpees, etc. People (kids included) have poor judgment and make mistakes all the time. At the end of the day, no one got hurt or was really on the verge of serious injury because it’s a kids class and that’s what instructors are there for. This is significantly lighter than say someone ripping a heel hook on a hobbyist and potentially sidelining them and taking food off of their table. And folks looks at that situation as “part of the game”, but a kid, who literally is being taught nonstop in life, can’t be corrected after making bad decisions because of “liability” is odd to me. BJJ may be the only structure that kid has in life. |
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