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Posted: 3/27/2024 6:26:21 PM EDT
[#1]
Holding out on the abortion issue sure worked out for us here in Michigan. From "voting our morals" we got new abortion rights and a shitload of gun laws. I almost forgot the redistricting changes to insure Rs can't win again. Worked out great, if you're a commie.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 6:33:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macros73: What should be their punishment in that case? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macros73: Originally Posted By DDDDCheapAF: Brainwashed Whores . I wonder if they go to church on Sundays probably not . What should be their punishment in that case? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 6:34:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JimEb: Adapt or die. Just like gun control. If you don't like guns, fine. Don't own one. If you don't like abortion, fine. Don't get one. Just don't micromanage what I can do and own. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 6:35:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By T1NMAN: Worth it. If babies have to die to keep open a free market and personal liberty we're already damned. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By T1NMAN: Originally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Abortion is the hill Republicans are going to die on. It cost them 2022 and it's going to cost them in 2024 Worth it. If babies have to die to keep open a free market and personal liberty we're already damned. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 6:42:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dopple: Might as well let dems kill their babies, should reduce that part of the voter base. That's what the public education system is for - they'll just take yours. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 6:57:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmathew: Holding out on the abortion issue sure worked out for us here in Michigan. From "voting our morals" we got new abortion rights and a shitload of gun laws. I almost forgot the redistricting changes to insure Rs can't win again. Worked out great, if you're a commie. Yeah but you can defend yourself from theft of property. A baby in the womb can't protect itself from abortion. Sack up. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 7:05:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thunderw21: We've murdered over 70 million babies the last 50 years. How many more should we murder before Republicans start winning again? More then half would be Dem voters. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 7:09:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Millennial]
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drsalee: Semantics. When a woman wants to be pregnant, she ALWAYS refers to the bump at her belly as her BABY. They never say fetus or clump of cells. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drsalee: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Yep, that's the fundamental difference right there that nobody seems to catch. Everybody believes murder of a human is bad. Most people don't believe a fetus is a human. Cry tears saying that it is, isn't actually working. Texas didn't help - there was a case where a pregnant woman took the HOV lane, and had to pay a ticket. She claimed the fetus was a human, thus there were two humans in the car. Texas said that doesn't count as a human in the car. She had to pay the ticket. I thought it was a human Texas. Federal IRS taxes - same thing. It's not a human on your taxes, until its born. Somewhat hinky examples, but the point remains - a fetus is not defined and treated as a human. Until that is unerversally accepted that it is - this is a losing fight. So far, that isn't working - and I doubt it ever will. Semantics. When a woman wants to be pregnant, she ALWAYS refers to the bump at her belly as her BABY. They never say fetus or clump of cells. By no medical or even federal definition of person (1 U.S. Code § 8) is there a baby in her belly. Period. 1 U.S. Code § 8:Click To View Spoiler |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 7:58:59 PM EDT
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Except one is literally you decided to suck out a baby, limb by limb, and the other is owning an inanimate object. Also, the supreme court made this call. I guess we should stop filing suit over shit so we don't risk future elections. Fuck, I may as well sign up for the DNC at this rate. The Supreme Court made the call that abortion should be decided by the states, not the federal government. They did not rule on the legality or morality of abortion. Not sure why you would think otherwise. The Supreme Court has one job . .. to determine if laws, rules, or legislation are Constitutional. Just because you WANT to think they ruled against abortion does not make it so. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 7:59:29 PM EDT
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Sure, let's make a fair abortion law.
A woman can abort her fetus at any time. In doing so, no one can be charged with her murder for any reason after that. What's good for the gosling is good for the goose or something like that. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:06:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Beer_Slayer]
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:14:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JupiterMaximus: God, you really are a That's not true. Conservatives who take this position just have no hope and are giving up. They realize the culture has changed and they're not going to get what they want in their lifetimes so they're quitting. The left has committed to their goals and embraced struggle across generations if that's what it takes and that's why they're winning. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:16:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thunderw21: We've murdered over 70 million babies the last 50 years. How many more should we murder before Republicans start winning again? I do not condone A LOT of stuff in this world. But at what point does my desire impede someone's pursuit of happiness? |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:17:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Beer_Slayer]
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:31:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR: I predict this thread coming to a close shortly…. Yep. They'd rather sling insults than make arguments. Sad state of affairs, that so-called Republicans/conservatives support this genocide but can't even make a case without name-calling. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:32:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thunderw21: Yep. They'd rather sling insults than make arguments. Sad state of affairs, that so-called Republicans/conservatives support this genocide but can't even make a case without name-calling. The case has been made. No name calling necessary. People want the government out of their lives when it comes to individual decisions about abortion, and republicans lose elections when they run on abortion restrictions. Simple as that. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:32:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thunderw21: Yep. They'd rather sling insults than make arguments. Sad state of affairs, that so-called Republicans/conservatives support this genocide but can't even make a case without name-calling. They want to win so badly they’re willing to compromise on everything and anything if they think it will help them “win”. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:34:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR: They want to win so badly they’re willing to compromise on everything and anything if they think it will help them “win”. I mean, imagine taking a position on the issue that values individual choice over government regulation. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:35:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I mean, imagine taking a position on the issue that values individual choice over government regulation. I dealt with you earlier. Goodnight. 
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:36:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I mean, imagine taking a position on the issue that values individual choice over government regulation. Imagine taking a position that protects the life and rights of the unborn child. You know, those things mentioned in the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:36:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FivespeedF150]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR:They want to win so badly they’re willing to compromise on everything and anything if they think it will help them “win”. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Originally Posted By thunderw21:Yep. They'd rather sling insults than make arguments. Sad state of affairs, that so-called Republicans/conservatives support this genocide but can't even make a case without name-calling. That said, I understand how someone would feel that way when faced with an accelerationist. ETA thus my earlier "virtue signal" comment. When presented with the political realities, society isn't at a point where hardline abortion abolition is a winner on the local level most places. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:37:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I mean, imagine taking a position on the issue that values individual choice over government regulation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR: They want to win so badly they’re willing to compromise on everything and anything if they think it will help them “win”. I mean, imagine taking a position on the issue that values individual choice over government regulation. Ayup, I certainly don’t want the government interfering with my individual choice to kill people that are inconvenient to me. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:40:41 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thunderw21: Imagine taking a position that protects the life and rights of the unborn child. You know, those things mentioned in the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. I understand the pro-life position perfectly. And I respect it. Ultimately you have to decide if you value a grown, developed, adult human more, or a non-viable developing fetus more. There are situations where you have to prioritize the well-being of one over the other. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:42:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK3110: Ayup, I certainly don’t want the government interfering with my individual choice to kill people that are inconvenient to me. When 12 year old Susie gets knocked up by uncle Cletus, most Americans have absolutely zero qualms about terminating that pregnancy if that’s what she wants. And I’m one of them. I understand not everybody agrees. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:45:44 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: When 12 year old Susie gets knocked up by uncle Cletus, most Americans have absolutely zero qualms about terminating that pregnancy if that’s what she wants. And I’m one of them. I understand not everybody agrees. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By MK3110: Ayup, I certainly don’t want the government interfering with my individual choice to kill people that are inconvenient to me. When 12 year old Susie gets knocked up by uncle Cletus, most Americans have absolutely zero qualms about terminating that pregnancy if that’s what she wants. And I’m one of them. I understand not everybody agrees. I’ll concede this very specific and rare scenario as long as we get to terminate Cletus as well. Now what about the other 99.99999% of abortions? |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:50:25 PM EDT
[#26]
OP’s acronym is literally CCP.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:50:43 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK3110: I’ll concede this very specific and rare scenario as long as we get to terminate Cletus as well. Now what about the other 99.99999% of abortions? That’s the thing. You can’t satisfactorily legislate a topic that includes the possibility for countless unknown or unforeseen circumstances. “Medical necessity”. Sounds great in theory. In reality, what does that mean? Who decides it? What if different doctors give different opinions? I don’t like abortion. I despise it actually, especially as a form of birth control. But what I despise even more is government regulation on things I believe they have no business regulating, and as such I will almost always err on the side of individual choice. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:58:06 PM EDT
[#28]
Smells fishy in here.
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:59:11 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OscarD: OP’s acronym is literally CCP. An extremely sketchy poster, to say the least. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:03:43 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: That’s the thing. You can’t satisfactorily legislate a topic that includes the possibility for countless unknown or unforeseen circumstances. “Medical necessity”. Sounds great in theory. In reality, what does that mean? Who decides it? What if different doctors give different opinions? I don’t like abortion. I despise it actually, especially as a form of birth control. But what I despise even more is government regulation on things I believe they have no business regulating, and as such I will almost always err on the side of individual choice. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By MK3110: I’ll concede this very specific and rare scenario as long as we get to terminate Cletus as well. Now what about the other 99.99999% of abortions? That’s the thing. You can’t satisfactorily legislate a topic that includes the possibility for countless unknown or unforeseen circumstances. “Medical necessity”. Sounds great in theory. In reality, what does that mean? Who decides it? What if different doctors give different opinions? I don’t like abortion. I despise it actually, especially as a form of birth control. But what I despise even more is government regulation on things I believe they have no business regulating, and as such I will almost always err on the side of individual choice. Almost all legislation is on topics that have countless unknowns and unforeseen circumstances. Take homicide for example. There is legal, justifiable homicide and illegal homicide (murder). A process exists to differentiate between the two. Legislators can surely craft law that defines medical necessity. In fact, the Florida law simply requires two doctors, any two, to agree on it’s necessity. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:09:37 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OscarD: OP’s acronym is literally CCP. I love you, not gay. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:06:15 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Yep, that's the fundamental difference right there that nobody seems to catch. Everybody believes murder of a human is bad. Most people don't believe a fetus is a human. Cry tears saying that it is, isn't actually working. Texas didn't help - there was a case where a pregnant woman took the HOV lane, and had to pay a ticket. She claimed the fetus was a human, thus there were two humans in the car. Texas said that doesn't count as a human in the car. She had to pay the ticket. I thought it was a human Texas. Federal IRS taxes - same thing. It's not a human on your taxes, until its born. Somewhat hinky examples, but the point remains - a fetus is not defined and treated as a human. Until that is unerversally accepted that it is - this is a losing fight. So far, that isn't working - and I doubt it ever will. Except if you murder a pregnant woman, you can be charged for double murder.... so which is it?! |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:54:42 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neostoicism: Once Republicans change all their values to be identical to Democrats “to win elections”, why should I vote for Republicans? Does a Republican holding a seat have any value if they vote the same way, and hold the same values as a Democrat? This is the correct answer |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:56:42 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thunderw21: Imagine taking a position that protects the life and rights of the unborn child. You know, those things mentioned in the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. I don’t recall anything in those documents about unborn fetuses. And moreover laws related to abortion didn’t even exist until the 1800’s. Abortion was widely known and practiced during the founding of this country yet it was never contemplated in the Declaration of Independence nor the Bill of Rights. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:00:03 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By foxxnhound: This abortion issue is dragging some conservative women towards the Democrats. This really pissed a lot of every day women off. Especially Idaho with outlawing all abortion, except in emergency. If abortion is dragging "conservative" women to the Democrats, how "conservative" was she to begin with? |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:10:48 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CreamCheesePizza: Should a woman be forced to give birth to their rapists child? Should a child who was raped forced to give birth? What about nonviable births? Births that may pose a risk to the life of the mother? is that child not a human being because his/her sperm donor was a rapist. By all means execute the rapist, but what was the child's crime? Birth's that pose a legitimate risk to the life of the mother (i.e. ectopic pregnancy)are not elective abortions. Non-viable births? Stillborn? Not elective abortion. Non-viable births? Not valued because the elites say your not worth it (i.e. Disabled.) You can play that game if you want. But if you set that precedent, one day they will come after you because you are too tall, too short, too fat, too skinny..... |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:10:49 PM EDT
[#37]
I think it's hilarious that people think that passing through a ring of muscle confers life upon a human.
By this logic, my dick dies every time I fuck some chick. Over and over again. Radical thought: It's okay to force someone not to murder a kid. Even using the government to do it. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:13:59 PM EDT
[#38]
Women want freedom from consequences like men want freedom to make themselves valuable.
Women with babies have responsibilities & accountability and are less valuable to men too. Win Democrats |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:16:05 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dogsoldier03: Except if you murder a pregnant woman, you can be charged for double murder.... so which is it?! It is admittedly hypocrisy. That said, it’s a legal stance which honors the parents intent. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:22:18 PM EDT
[#40]
If all the right needs to do to win is concede on child murder and condone it may this country epically crash and burn because we are already too far gone. We deserve what’s coming.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:28:26 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CreamCheesePizza: Should a woman be forced to give birth to their rapists child? Should a child who was raped forced to give birth? What about nonviable births? Births that may pose a risk to the life of the mother? I believe only the state of Florida keeps or kept states on this and 1/10 of a percent IIRC met your examples criteria. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:30:16 PM EDT
[#42]
Lmao, gotta love this place. The same people that spent years saying that the Orange Man would destroy the GOP by supporting DNC policy positions are now telling you to support DNC policy positions.
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MO, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:39:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SavedByTheBlood: If all the right needs to do to win is concede on child murder and condone it may this country epically crash and burn because we are already too far gone. We deserve what’s coming. Which is ultimately true. If one really believes that they will have to stand before God and account their actions in their life, I guess they have to ask how it will go over when they say "yeah I supported murdering children in the womb...but it was a political calculation..." You have the side that pretty much supports murdering children, maiming them, and ultimately will be pushing fucking them. And the other side, well it really isn't a side since a nice chunk of that is never going to compromise on murdering the unborn. So they aren't on the "same side" as the secular conservative who thinks that abortion is fine as there is a good chance the kids murdered will grow up to be liberals, and maybe they left will not assault their rights quite has hard. Maybe buy a few more years before that Glock 19 is illegal after all. A few million more dead babies is a small price to pay right? You have the left pushing abortion until the moment of birth, and not the fringe. as long as one toe is in the mother go ahead and kill it no matter how viable. But that will be a compromise I guess that has to be made as well. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:43:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: grambosc]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: When 12 year old Susie gets knocked up by uncle Cletus, most Americans have absolutely zero qualms about terminating that pregnancy if that’s what she wants. And I’m one of them. I understand not everybody agrees. That's a South Carolina specific scenario, and one that the state can deal with at its own level. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:47:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:47:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jb1001: What a stupid hill to die on. This. Who cares if democrats want to kill their offspring. 70m aborted? Imagine if all those people were voting today? Because I don’t see many republicans having an abortion. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:57:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zombiehunter: This is the correct answer Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zombiehunter: Originally Posted By neostoicism: Once Republicans change all their values to be identical to Democrats “to win elections”, why should I vote for Republicans? Does a Republican holding a seat have any value if they vote the same way, and hold the same values as a Democrat? This is the correct answer People with black and white thinking (always, never, all, none…) will always fail. Whether it’s just a simple debate or in politics. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 12:04:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDDDCheapAF: I wonder if they go to church on Sundays probably not . Oh, they do. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 12:08:40 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 80085: I don’t recall anything in those documents about unborn fetuses. And moreover laws related to abortion didn’t even exist until the 1800’s. Abortion was widely known and practiced during the founding of this country yet it was never contemplated in the Declaration of Independence nor the Bill of Rights. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 80085: Originally Posted By thunderw21: Imagine taking a position that protects the life and rights of the unborn child. You know, those things mentioned in the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. I don’t recall anything in those documents about unborn fetuses. And moreover laws related to abortion didn’t even exist until the 1800’s. Abortion was widely known and practiced during the founding of this country yet it was never contemplated in the Declaration of Independence nor the Bill of Rights. Abortions were taking place when Jesus walked the earth. It seems he might have mentioned something about it if it was so evil. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 12:16:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Abortion is the hill Republicans are going to die on. It cost them 2022 and it's going to cost them in 2024 |
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