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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:29:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CreamCheesePizza: Gonna get my wife to get 100 embryos on ice at an IVF clinic and then claim them all as dependents. I love to watch you in your own thread show us you are a plant from the left-side that signed up on this site to cause issues without coming out an saying that. You clearly started this thread to push a "woman's choice" which began in history and always will be the communist leftist way of taking down this country, insidiously. This goes with increased taxes, government hand outs, illegal immigration, anything goes in sexual expression, the sexualization of our children in schools, etc. You are just carrying the flag of this agenda through a debate. Baby murder is not a "hill to die on" it is a fight included against everything evil. I won't give up and make no excuses for it. The tide is turning away from communism, look at Biden's poll numbers. Baby murder is not the defining issue in our country, inflation is. You don't hear young adults screaming about "my body my choice", they are worried about good paying jobs and being able to live comfortably on a decent salary. The ones screaming "my body my choice" are the social outcasts that need to be heard to validate their own pitiful existence. These are usually women that would never have the chance to be pregnant due to the fact they are homosexual, morbidly obese and above all, mentally ill. Those are the ones you are standing up for. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:30:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Rape, for starters. Ok, what about the other 99.9% of pregnancies. Don’t keep bringing up the rape thing like it’s a valid argument. It’s dishonest, try to be an honorable person at least once. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:30:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Abortion is the hill Republicans are going to die on. It cost them 2022 and it's going to cost them in 2024 Damnit! If only we could start being more like democrats and sacrificing our values for votes we could maybe start winning some elections. 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:33:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar_mcadams: No woman wants to be told what they can or cant do when a completely life changing event happens like a pregnancy . Im not agreeing with it or disagreeing with it. Im sure Ill get flamed for it but thats the facts. I like the idea of the morning after pill myself and even its being threatened. |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:34:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: It's insane to you. Many people, and many posters here, consider that murdering a baby and there isn't anything you can say to change their mind. Good thing many posters here would be considered insane by the average American voter. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:35:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Outside of the few fringe lunatics, hardly anybody celebrates abortion. It's not a good thing. People don't like it. But if they find themselves in an unfortunate or medically complicated situation, they want the right to choose for themselves. As they should. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:36:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CreamCheesePizza: Good thing many posters here would be considered insane by the average American voter. Which posters here would you call "insane", you know by your own ruler as compared to "the average American voter"? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:39:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ricky_45: Fact is, you despise infants in the womb and don't care that they are murdered. When you refuse to acknowledge the majority opinions, and resort to bullshit debate tactics like this, the pro-lifers will continue to lose. |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:40:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drw1006: I love to watch you in your own thread show us you are a plant from the left-side that signed up on this site to cause issues without coming out an saying that. You clearly started this thread to push a "woman's choice" which began in history and always will be the communist leftist way of taking down this country, insidiously. This goes with increased taxes, government hand outs, illegal immigration, anything goes in sexual expression, the sexualization of our children in schools, etc. You are just carrying the flag of this agenda through a debate. Baby murder is not a "hill to die on" it is a fight included against everything evil. I won't give up and make no excuses for it. The tide is turning away from communism, look at Biden's poll numbers. Baby murder is not the defining issue in our country, inflation is. You don't hear young adults screaming about "my body my choice", they are worried about good paying jobs and being able to live comfortably on a decent salary. The ones screaming "my body my choice" are the social outcasts that need to be heard to validate their own pitiful existence. These are usually women that would never have the chance to be pregnant due to the fact they are homosexual, morbidly obese and above all, mentally ill. Those are the ones you are standing up for. You have a delusional view of your opposition. Inflation was worse in 2022 than it was now and Pro-Life candidates got blown the fuck out in that election. Even in this Alabama seat there was a 32 point swing towards the Democrat who was running on abortion and IFV rights. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:40:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neostoicism: Ok, what about the other 99.9% of pregnancies. Don’t keep bringing up the rape thing like it’s a valid argument. It’s dishonest, try to be an honorable person at least once. It doesn't matter. Rape exists. And most voters do not believe a rape victim should be forced to carry and deliver the unwanted child that results from it. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:47:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: It doesn't matter. Rape exists. And most voters do not believe a rape victim should be forced to carry and deliver the unwanted child that results from it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By neostoicism: Ok, what about the other 99.9% of pregnancies. Don’t keep bringing up the rape thing like it’s a valid argument. It’s dishonest, try to be an honorable person at least once. It doesn't matter. Rape exists. And most voters do not believe a rape victim should be forced to carry and deliver the unwanted child that results from it. “Most voters are idiots and universal suffrage is a mistake.” - some South Carolinian that drinks white claws. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:48:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: It's definitely hurting Republicans a lot, but I'm not sure if it will cost them the 2024 election. Biden's incompetence and senility, plus backlash against illegals, has a chance to offset it. It's turned most every election win into one that's won by a point or two instead of by a country mile. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:48:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Techsan02: I’d wager that 99.87% of hardcore, black/white “pro-lifers” have never done a damn thing to help a needy child. But I guarantee that same 98.87% have bitched about “crotch fruit”. They are pro life not pro birth & pro child. If you really want to reduce the number of abortions there are public policy positions that will encourage women to deliver the child. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:48:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neostoicism: Ok, what about the other 99.9% of pregnancies. Don’t keep bringing up the rape thing like it’s a valid argument. It’s dishonest, try to be an honorable person at least once. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neostoicism: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Rape, for starters. Ok, what about the other 99.9% of pregnancies. Don’t keep bringing up the rape thing like it’s a valid argument. It’s dishonest, try to be an honorable person at least once. 99.9% of AR15s aren’t ever used for self defense. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:49:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macros73: What should be their punishment in that case? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macros73: Originally Posted By DDDDCheapAF: Brainwashed Whores . I wonder if they go to church on Sundays… probably not . What should be their punishment in that case? Just like it’s been since time began. Living with a child without government assistance . |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:50:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thunderw21: We've murdered over 70 million babies the last 50 years. How many more should murder before Republicans start winning again?  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:51:30 AM EDT
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They talk about the evils of abortion but you dont see them adopting lol.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:52:56 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK3110: “Most voters are idiots and universal suffrage is a mistake.” - some South Carolinian that drinks white claws. There isn't the slightest thing which is mutually exclusive about those two realities. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:53:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Been trying to tell them. But for some, it’s the hill to die one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By foxxnhound: This abortion issue is dragging some conservative women towards the Democrats. This really pissed a lot of every day women off. Especially Idaho with outlawing all abortion, except in emergency. Been trying to tell them. But for some, it’s the hill to die one. Some people cut off the nose to spite the face. For the time being, there are only 2 outcome choices for any office at a significant level or in a purple area. 1. D gets elected and the A word is legal (at least for first trimester) 2. R gets elected and the A word is legal (at least for the first trimester). Choose wisely. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:53:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Let's first agree that the other 99.7% of abortion is wrong. Can we agree on that? Let's save 99.7% of the lives and then we can bicker on the rest. Stop using the extreme minority case as the rule. Also, you know there are pills that can prevent conception after rape, right? Right? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By CreamCheesePizza: Should a woman be forced to give birth to their rapists child? Should a child who was raped forced to give birth? What about nonviable births? Births that may pose a risk to the life of the mother? Let's first agree that the other 99.7% of abortion is wrong. Can we agree on that? Let's save 99.7% of the lives and then we can bicker on the rest. Stop using the extreme minority case as the rule. Also, you know there are pills that can prevent conception after rape, right? Right? The kind of rape you are talking about is not the kind of rape that is a real issue in the abortion access debate. The rapes that matter in the abortion access debate are children being abused in the home or other isolated communities. They are prevented access to police, social workers and doctors. Their pregnancies go unnoticed until Ester or Juanita show up to middle school in the fall three months pregnant with their father or uncles child. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:54:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HAMBURGERATTACK: They talk about the evils of abortion but you dont see them adopting lol. You got $40k lying around? That’s how much it cost six years ago when my wife and I looked into it. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:54:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HAMBURGERATTACK: They talk about the evils of abortion but you dont see them adopting lol. You got $40k lying around? That’s how much it cost six years ago when my wife and I looked into it. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:55:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: It's definitely hurting Republicans a lot, but I'm not sure if it will cost them the 2024 election. Biden's incompetence and senility, plus backlash against illegals, has a chance to offset it. scorned hoes dont care about biden's incompetence....just their body their choice. it is a losing formula for republicans no matter where you look at it |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:55:44 AM EDT
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[#24]
triple tap lol
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:55:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CreamCheesePizza: You have a delusional view of your opposition. Inflation was worse in 2022 than it was now and Pro-Life candidates got blown the fuck out in that election. Even in this Alabama seat there was a 32 point swing towards the Democrat who was running on abortion and Okay democrat, show me the states after Roe V. Wade that banned or severely limited abortion since that decision to throw it back to the states. Was the wave to increase the access to this service or was it removed? I think you know the answer. And citing one little CNN/MSBC talking point about some special run off winner that supports your left-sided agenda isn't awe inspiring. "Marilyn is a wife, mother, and community advocate whose "Christian values" deeply influence her life and work. Yea okay.... And here is a sad fact for you, no matter what she thinks or won, Alabama still has a ban on baby murder as LAW. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:56:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: intercooler]
[#26]
triple tap
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:56:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: intercooler]
[#27]
holy triple tap batman
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:57:03 AM EDT
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[#28]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By guyknight: Originally Posted By thunderw21: We've murdered over 70 million babies the last 50 years. How many more should murder before Republicans start winning again? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/this-gif-793.gif Again, what is being heard from the other side is basically "Masterbation is Murder". Until that's understood and addressed, we will continue to be dismissed as zealotss seeking to impose our will for feelz, and keep losing. The problem with being dismissed as a zealot, is there's no interest in even having a conversation, because it's assumed it's not possible to have a conversation. You just wait until you have the majority (which they will), and slam through full force the entire wish list (which they do). |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:57:45 AM EDT
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The all or nothing mentality with anti-abortion zealots is going to cost us a lot of rights down the road. They either don't see it, or don't care. Let me guess: "how many non-viable zygotes have to murdered for your rights?"
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:57:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HAMBURGERATTACK: They talk about the evils of abortion but you dont see them adopting lol. Well maybe a white newborn. But not an 11-year old black male with behavioral problems. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:59:36 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By intercooler: scorned hoes dont care about biden's incompetence....just their body their choice. it is a losing formula for republicans no matter where you look at it Can't tell if you're triggered posting this four times, or having a stroke. Let us know that you're okay. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:59:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drw1006: Okay democrat, show me the states after Roe V. Wade that banned or severely limited abortion since that decision to throw it back to the states. Was the wave to increase the access to this service or was it removed? I think you know the answer. And citing one little CNN/MSBC talking point about some special run off winner that supports your left-sided agenda isn't awe inspiring. "Marilyn is a wife, mother, and community advocate whose "Christian values" deeply influence her life and work. Yea okay.... And here is a sad fact for you, no matter what she thinks or won, Alabama still has a ban on baby murder as LAW. The Virginia and Ohio elections in 2023 should have opened some eyes. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:00:31 PM EDT
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lol no the screen froze
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:02:04 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: There isn't the slightest thing which is mutually exclusive about those two realities. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By MK3110: “Most voters are idiots and universal suffrage is a mistake.” - some South Carolinian that drinks white claws. There isn't the slightest thing which is mutually exclusive about those two realities. Agree. But using what most idiots (voters) think as the foundation of your argument is not compelling. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:02:10 PM EDT
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The majority of Americans are braindead and easily brainwashed, just look at the sports crowd. With that said for decades women have been told abortion is a Constitutional Right the same as owning firearms. They see it as an attack on their Right just like we would if instead of abortion it was firearms. Couple that with the fact that the majority are demoralized and no matter what you say or show them nothing will change their mind. You can present the facts to the pro-abortion people in a concise manner that a retarded person would understand yet these people don't care and won't listen. Brainwashing is real, it's not a sideshow hypnotism thing but a real science.
The subject should have been dropped but the do gooder church crowd wants to push it. Well reap the whirlwind you created. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:02:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Inquisitive_Spaniard: You got $40k lying around? That’s how much it cost six years ago when my wife and I looked into it. Major props to you both for looking into it at all. Wish more attention was given to saving those kids from the abhorrent foster care system than to abortion legislation. The 2x women I've known who had to go through that system were horribly abused. |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:02:28 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drw1006: Okay democrat, show me the states after Roe V. Wade that banned or severely limited abortion since that decision to throw it back to the states. Was the wave to increase the access to this service or was it removed? I think you know the answer. And citing one little CNN/MSBC talking point about some special run off winner that supports your left-sided agenda isn't awe inspiring. "Marilyn is a wife, mother, and community advocate whose "Christian values" deeply influence her life and work. Yea okay.... And here is a sad fact for you, no matter what she thinks or won, Alabama still has a ban on baby murder as LAW. I don't think a couple ruby red states implementing abortion restrictions is the red wave you're thinking of. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:04:11 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: It doesn't matter. Rape exists. And most voters do not believe a rape victim should be forced to carry and deliver the unwanted child that results from it. “It doesn’t matter” = I refuse to acknowledge anything that would counter my argument. So, you believe that the vast majority of women have no control over becoming pregnant? That’s pretty misogynistic. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:04:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HAMBURGERATTACK: Major props to you both for looking into it at all. Wish more attention was given to saving those kids from the abhorrent foster care system than to abortion legislation. The 2x women I've known who had to go through that system were horribly abused. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HAMBURGERATTACK: Originally Posted By Inquisitive_Spaniard: You got $40k lying around? That’s how much it cost six years ago when my wife and I looked into it. Major props to you both for looking into it at all. Wish more attention was given to saving those kids from the abhorrent foster care system than to abortion legislation. The 2x women I've known who had to go through that system were horribly abused. I will heavily agree with this. The foster and adoption systems in the US are nothing short of horrific. if we had a better system and route for those who wished for kids, to get them from those who find they do not, that would be the place for everyone on all sides to focuse their energies on. That's the future America should be talking about. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:04:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CreamCheesePizza: I don't think a couple ruby red states implementing abortion restrictions is the red wave you're thinking of. See gentlemen, this guy uses terms like "Ruby states" and "red wave". He is a leftist plant on this site. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:05:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Inquisitive_Spaniard: You got $40k lying around? That’s how much it cost six years ago when my wife and I looked into it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Inquisitive_Spaniard: Originally Posted By HAMBURGERATTACK: They talk about the evils of abortion but you dont see them adopting lol. You got $40k lying around? That’s how much it cost six years ago when my wife and I looked into it. Make adoption expenses 100% tax deductible. Or even better, a tax credit. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:06:05 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLDiver: Devil’s advocate time…..If Republicans loose all power what stops unfettered abortions including late-term one’s in places like Alabama? Look as a society, abortion is a necessary evil up to a certain point. Completely banning the practice without some early allowances and caveats will result in a political disaster. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLDiver: Originally Posted By thunderw21: We've murdered over 70 million babies the last 50 years. How many more should murder before Republicans start winning again? Devil’s advocate time…..If Republicans loose all power what stops unfettered abortions including late-term one’s in places like Alabama? Look as a society, abortion is a necessary evil up to a certain point. Completely banning the practice without some early allowances and caveats will result in a political disaster. Bro, don’t bring reality into this. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:07:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Millennial]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macros73: … One may also note that Benjamin Franklin gave instructions on at-home abortions in a book in the 1700's. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/05/ben-franklin-american-instructor-textbook-abortion-recipe.html Ben Franklin? LOL. The practice of abortion *literally* predates biblical times, even being mentioned in the code of Hammurabi. And yet the Bible is oddly ambiguous on the whole subject matter despite it being widely known/practiced in the Roman culture. IMO, the almost complete lack of mention of abortion in the Bible speaks louder than anything Ben Franklin adds to the conversation. The most you’ll get out of the Bible is that anyone who causes an unwanted miscarriage/abortion just owes the surviving woman a fee (ie: loss of property reparations). Fetuses and newborns in biblical times were basically property… not people. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:07:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK3110: Agree. But using what most idiots (voters) think as the foundation of your argument is not compelling. The foundation of the argument is that the government has no business legislating reproductive and healthcare decisions that should be made entirely by the woman, in consultation with whomever she deems appropriate. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:08:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neostoicism: “It doesn’t matter” = I refuse to acknowledge anything that would counter my argument. So, you believe that the vast majority of women have no control over becoming pregnant? That’s pretty misogynistic. You really should stop putting words in people's mouth that they didn't say. Strawmen make you look foolish. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:08:43 PM EDT
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I f we're going to concede on abortion rights and say a woman can kill her baby, we need to campaign on mens' rights instead.
Currently a woman can get an abortion and never tell her husband she was pregnant. The same woman can insist on keeping the baby and saddling the man with child support. Pass a law saying if the male is the one who adamantly does not want a child, his responsibility ends at his half of the current cost of an abortion. I would never call someone who would do this a "man" but equality goes both ways. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:09:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Abortion is the hill Republicans are going to die on. It cost them 2022 and it's going to cost them in 2024 Not true. Abortion is the hill America upon which we be judged. Genocide is not a road to morality, prosperity, nor humanity. China thought it was a great idea in the 50s, 60's and 70's. Now it threatens the sustainability of the country's economy. Briliant! |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:12:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CreamCheesePizza: Please stop forcing women to give birth against their will. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CreamCheesePizza: Originally Posted By thunderw21: Nice subjective morality. Please stop supporting genocide. Please stop forcing women to give birth against their will. Maybe they shouldn't fuck if they that adamantly don't want kids. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:12:58 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: You really should stop putting words in people's mouth that they didn't say. Strawmen make you look foolish. Then answer the question: Do 99.9% of women have control over whether they become pregnant? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:13:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: Not true. Abortion is the hill America upon which we be judged. Genocide is not a road to morality, prosperity, nor humanity. China thought it was a great idea in the 50s, 60's and 70's. Now it threatens the sustainability of the country's economy. Briliant! |
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