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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:28:31 AM EDT
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Marilyn doesn't have to worry about getting pregnant.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:28:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Murder is an unlawful and premeditated killing. Abortion is neither unlawful (mostly), and often not premeditated, at least in the sense that it was a planned intentional act as opposed to being driven from circumstances or situations outside the mother’s control. It’s an abortion. You are terminating a pregnancy. So more like manslaughter? |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:29:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: thunderw21]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLDiver: Devil’s advocate time…..If Republicans loose all power what stops unfettered abortions including late-term one’s in places like Alabama? Look as a society, abortion is a necessary evil up to a certain point. Completely banning the practice without some early allowances and caveats will result in a political disaster. Newsflash: the Republicans have been losing power in most places even before R v. W was overturned. That's because they keep forfeiting on issues, like abortion. Do you know where Republicans have been decimating the Democrats? In places like Florida and Iowa, formerly purple states, where strong conservative leaders haven't backed down. Your supposed path to victory via forfeit is what's causing the downfall of the Republican Party and, ultimately, the decline of the United States. How about, and I know this is crazy, we take back the culture so that women no longer believe that murdering babies is cool and a right. The Left has spent decades converting the culture into a culture of death, so how about we work on converting it back to a culture of life and liberty instead of worrying about whether the likes of Mitch McConnell is to get reelected for the 20th time? Do you know why we never try to take back the culture? Because it's way easier to reelect the likes of Mitch McConnell for the 20th time and then bitch and moan when the culture slips even further to the Left. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:29:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Colt1860: Conservatism isn't really about politics anymore. When “conservatives” are willing to nominate an antigun New York democrat to lead the GOP ticket based solely on political rhetoric, it most certainly is. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:29:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AXE0FWAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Murder is an unlawful and premeditated killing. Abortion is neither unlawful (mostly), and often not premeditated, at least in the sense that it was a planned intentional act as opposed to being driven from circumstances or situations outside the mother’s control. It’s an abortion. You are terminating a pregnancy. You’re playing with words and you know it. Abortion is the termination of a life. Period. Play obtuse with semantics all you want, that’s what it is at the end of the day. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:31:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Murder is an unlawful and premeditated killing. Abortion is neither unlawful (mostly), and often not premeditated, at least in the sense that it was a planned intentional act as opposed to being driven from circumstances or situations outside the mother's control. It's an abortion. You are terminating a pregnancy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR: How would you define ending the existence of something that is growing and has a DNA profile? Murder is an unlawful and premeditated killing. Abortion is neither unlawful (mostly), and often not premeditated, at least in the sense that it was a planned intentional act as opposed to being driven from circumstances or situations outside the mother's control. It's an abortion. You are terminating a pregnancy. I believe commies are not human and cause me a lot of inconvenience as well. It would still be illegal to perform post birth abortions on them. 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:33:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Allowing a mother to murder her baby is the ethical choice? What about the unalienable right to life. You know, the FIRST thing our forefathers ever mentioned in kicking off the USA? GD gonna GD. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By macros73: Or, and hear me out, leave it between the woman and her religion. Forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term through force will always be an overall loser, both ethically and at the polls. From a legal perspective, leave it at "civil rights and personhood are bestowed at birth." Allowing a mother to murder her baby is the ethical choice? What about the unalienable right to life. You know, the FIRST thing our forefathers ever mentioned in kicking off the USA? GD gonna GD. False. If we're going to be strict originalists, it's important to note that the DOI specifically stated that "all men" are created equal. At the time, "all men" would have been understood to mean "white, property-owning males." Not all fetuses are male, not all are white, and none of them own property, so we should be good to go, right? Let's also address the ordering fallacy. Is the 1st Amendment more important than the 2nd Amendment simply due to order? Did Patrick Henry say "Give me life or give me death!" No. "Among these unalienable rights" are "liberty" and "pursuit of happiness" alongside "life." One may also note that Benjamin Franklin gave instructions on at-home abortions in a book in the 1700's. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/05/ben-franklin-american-instructor-textbook-abortion-recipe.html |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:35:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Murder is an unlawful and premeditated killing. Abortion is neither unlawful (mostly), and often not premeditated, at least in the sense that it was a planned intentional act as opposed to being driven from circumstances or situations outside the mother’s control. It’s an abortion. You are terminating a pregnancy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR: How would you define ending the existence of something that is growing and has a DNA profile? Murder is an unlawful and premeditated killing. Abortion is neither unlawful (mostly), and often not premeditated, at least in the sense that it was a planned intentional act as opposed to being driven from circumstances or situations outside the mother’s control. It’s an abortion. You are terminating a pregnancy. Your definition of premeditation differs vastly from a legal one. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:37:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AA717driver: That’s where it got pushed into evil territory for me. First trimester, for rape/incest/health of the mother, ok. That’s your decision. Anything beyond the first trimester and that’s a viable pregnancy. Plus, as soon as the time limit got lifted, the abortion proponents began pushing for post birth abortions which we all know is murder. That’s where it became obvious that this movement is truly evil. Absolutely agree, better to get an outright ban to those procedures outright where a vast majority of the country will support you. Even Ultra-Conservative women think “what if my little Janie gets knocked up?” Sure, sure keep your legs closed and abstinence but we all know that’s fantasy land. Two dumb teenagers make a mistake, ok so we want to doom three young people with a harder life and more of a burden on society and tax base? |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:37:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CreamCheesePizza]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LurchAddams: Marilyn doesn't have to worry about getting pregnant. https://www.wkrg.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/49/2024/03/MARILYN-LANDS.jpg?w=450 Its well considered comments like this that will bring women back to the Republican party. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:41:51 AM EDT
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I think it is of significant note that many use the idea that simply removing an act "forces" a woman to have to go through an unwanted pregnancy.
Removing the act of chopping up a baby in the womb by "doctors" and their support staff is not "forcing" anyone to do anything. You simply are not given that avenue as a choice. Do women murder their children, yes, but removing an entire industry based on the revenue from it is not "forcing" anything on anyone. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:42:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:42:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lazyengineer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CreamCheesePizza: There were 26,000 rape related pregnancies in Texas in the 16 months since they enacted their abortion ban. https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-abortion/researchers-claim-texas-leads-country-in-rape-related-pregnancies-after-dobbs-decision/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CreamCheesePizza: Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Let's first agree that the other 99.7% of abortion is wrong. Can we agree on that? Let's save 99.7% of the lives and then we can bicker on the rest. Stop using the extreme minority case as the rule. Also, you know there are pills that can prevent conception after rape, right? Right? There were 26,000 rape related pregnancies in Texas in the 16 months since they enacted their abortion ban. https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-abortion/researchers-claim-texas-leads-country-in-rape-related-pregnancies-after-dobbs-decision/ I have a doubt. Texas nominally had 50,000 abortions a year, prior to stuff. Rape and incest make up nominally about 1-2% of abortions (or around that level). If that ~25k number were true, then obviously the agencies doing the abortions have systemized false rape claiming for the allowance of such by state law. I don't see something that significant going unreported at all. Either Rape increased 1000 fold in Texas - which would be quite the headline, or there's rampant fraud for kill'n da babies - which I also can't see unreported. So basically, I'm with others, who have a doubt at that number in that article. As to the sentiment of this being a rather challenging topic for Republicans - why yes, it is. I am curious if we end up with a Trump win (because Biden really is that bad), and a Democrat sweep of House and Senate over this. They already have the Senate over this, and everywhere this issue has come up - have basically TRASHED the Pro-Life option by epic proportions, in even the most hard-core conservative of places. There's a reason on the last Texas ballot to the voters, we got to vote on if farmers have the right to farm, and they didn't dare put abortion on there for the voters to decide on. Anyone who doesn't think this is wrecking the R's politically is dreaming. Anyone who is fixated on WhateverTheCost - has forgotten the lesson of Prohibition, where asking for it all, got you all of nothing. If you define life of a human beginning at conception (most people don't - so those tears don't actually work - but sure, we'll say that); the question to ask is: what is the route that will minimize termination of that over the next 20 years? Here's a tip - sticking to complete absolutism on the topic, ain't going to be it. If the play is, start with it all and then slowly compromise to the necessary, that will go farther. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:42:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK3110: Those women aren’t conservative. oh yes they are, some way more so than me. They dont want daddy government telling them what they can and cant do with their own body |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:45:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDDDCheapAF: So more like manslaughter? Call it what you want. But whatever you call it doesn’t change the fact that the majority of Americans, even many right-leaning ones, value the rights of a woman to choose over whatever right you ascribe to an unborn fetus. People don’t want the government making reproductive and related healthcare decisions for them. It’s as simple as that. And failure to recognize this will continue to hand elections to democrats. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:46:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR: You’re playing with words and you know it. Abortion is the termination of a life. Period. Play obtuse with semantics all you want, that’s what it is at the end of the day. Sure it is. Lots of killing is not murder. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:47:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Call it what you want. But whatever you call it doesn’t change the fact that the majority of Americans, even many right-leaning ones, value the rights of a woman to choose over whatever right you ascribe to an unborn fetus. People don’t want the government making reproductive and related healthcare decisions for them. It’s as simple as that. And failure to recognize this will continue to hand elections to democrats. Its a touchy subject and im not a woman so we continue on into some sort of twisted morals no mans land . |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:47:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drw1006: I think it is of significant note that many use the idea that simply removing an act "forces" a woman to have to go through an unwanted pregnancy. Removing the act of chopping up a baby in the womb by "doctors" and their support staff is not "forcing" anyone to do anything. You simply are not given that avenue as a choice. Do women murder their children, yes, but removing an entire industry based on the revenue from it is not "forcing" anything on anyone. 100% this. The pro-aborts can mince words all they want, but this is the reality. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:49:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MK3110]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: oh yes they are, some way more so than me. They dont want daddy government telling them what they can and cant do with their own body Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Originally Posted By MK3110: Those women aren’t conservative. oh yes they are, some way more so than me. They dont want daddy government telling them what they can and cant do with their own body Are they ok with daddy government telling them they can’t smoke the devil’s lettuce? Can’t exchange sex for $? Can’t marry someone of the same sex? Can’t go all stabby stabby on a baby outside of the womb? It is a proper roll of government to prohibit one from “using their own body” to directly harm others. ETA: most of the “conservative” women I know find abortion abhorrent. Even those of child bearing age. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:50:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Sure it is. Lots of killing is not murder. Killing a baby is way better than murdering one. 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:51:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDDDCheapAF: Its a touchy subject and im not a woman so we continue on into some sort of twisted morals no mans land . Outside of the few fringe lunatics, hardly anybody celebrates abortion. It’s not a good thing. People don’t like it. But if they find themselves in an unfortunate or medically complicated situation, they want the right to choose for themselves. As they should. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:52:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CouchCommando22: This country and its people sure love murdering innocent babies. When we hit 100 million babies murdered do we get a party? Yep, the theme of the party will be "Judgement Day." Our judge will be harsh upon those who angered Him. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:53:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Call it what you want. But whatever you call it doesn’t change the fact that the majority of Americans, even many right-leaning ones, value the rights of a woman to choose over whatever right you ascribe to an unborn fetus. People don’t want the government making reproductive and related healthcare decisions for them. It’s as simple as that. And failure to recognize this will continue to hand elections to democrats. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By DDDDCheapAF: So more like manslaughter? Call it what you want. But whatever you call it doesn’t change the fact that the majority of Americans, even many right-leaning ones, value the rights of a woman to choose over whatever right you ascribe to an unborn fetus. People don’t want the government making reproductive and related healthcare decisions for them. It’s as simple as that. And failure to recognize this will continue to hand elections to democrats. Seems like a shit ton of Americans supported ACA, which directly involves the government in health/reproductive care. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:53:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Killing a baby is way better than murdering one. Believe it or not, not everybody puts an unborn fetus at the same moral or biological level as a living, breathing, grown human. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:55:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Believe it or not, not everybody puts an FIFY See how easy it is to murder people when you dehumanize them? |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:56:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thunderw21: We've murdered over 70 million babies the last 50 years. How many more should murder before Republicans start winning again? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thunderw21: Originally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Abortion is the hill Republicans are going to die on. It cost them 2022 and it's going to cost them in 2024 We've murdered over 70 million babies the last 50 years. How many more should murder before Republicans start winning again? Well, until enough elections are won and there's a majority, to do something about it, all of them that were destined to, will. Originally Posted By olivers_AR: This, win first, implement policy after you win a majority and the POTUS. This. Gotta win to implement change. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:57:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Believe it or not, not everybody puts an unborn fetus at the same moral or biological level as a living, breathing, grown human. Ok, and? My point remains the same while you try to divert to the side of the field where your obtuse semantics didn’t get your “point” spanked. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:58:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Believe it or not, not everybody puts an unborn fetus at the same moral or biological level as a living, breathing, grown human. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Killing a baby is way better than murdering one. Believe it or not, not everybody puts an unborn fetus at the same moral or biological level as a living, breathing, grown human. Yep, that's the fundamental difference right there that nobody seems to catch. Everybody believes murder of a human is bad. Most people don't believe a fetus is a human. Cry tears saying that it is, isn't actually working. Texas didn't help - there was a case where a pregnant woman took the HOV lane, and had to pay a ticket. She claimed the fetus was a human, thus there were two humans in the car. Texas said that doesn't count as a human in the car. She had to pay the ticket. I thought it was a human Texas. Federal IRS taxes - same thing. It's not a human on your taxes, until its born. Somewhat hinky examples, but the point remains - a fetus is not defined and treated as a human. Until that is unerversally accepted that it is - this is a losing fight. So far, that isn't working - and I doubt it ever will. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:58:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: It's definitely hurting Republicans a lot, but I'm not sure if it will cost them the 2024 election. Biden's incompetence and senility, plus backlash against illegals, has a chance to offset it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Originally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Abortion is the hill Republicans are going to die on. It cost them 2022 and it's going to cost them in 2024 It's definitely hurting Republicans a lot, but I'm not sure if it will cost them the 2024 election. Biden's incompetence and senility, plus backlash against illegals, has a chance to offset it. My opinion, that is a short sighted outlook. What about all the senate and house seats, this isn't just a POTUS problem. Most people will blame one person and not the party of doom they chose, that person seems to be Xiden at this point. If the Dems hold congress it won't matter, if they happen to get 2/3rds we are fucked. It will only be a matter of time until 4 years are up and they will hit the "nuke it all button" to the Constitution as we know it. 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:59:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Believe it or not, not everybody puts an unborn fetus at the same moral or biological level as a living, breathing, grown human. Is this you? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:00:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Abortion is the hill Republicans are going to die on. It cost them 2022 and it's going to cost them in 2024 Well worth it. Prove me wrong. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:00:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tparker241: Yep, the theme of the party will be "Judgement Day." Our judge will be harsh upon those who angered Him. When discussing a political topic....retreating into "we'll have the last laugh, when God kicks their asses, so who cares if we lose the Election!" isn't a useful comment. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:01:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: thunderw21]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Caeser2001: Well, until enough elections are won and there's a majority, to do something about it, all of them that were destined to, will. This. Gotta win to implement change. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Caeser2001: Originally Posted By thunderw21: Originally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Abortion is the hill Republicans are going to die on. It cost them 2022 and it's going to cost them in 2024 We've murdered over 70 million babies the last 50 years. How many more should murder before Republicans start winning again? Well, until enough elections are won and there's a majority, to do something about it, all of them that were destined to, will. Originally Posted By olivers_AR: This, win first, implement policy after you win a majority and the POTUS. This. Gotta win to implement change. Like when Republicans controlled congress for 2 years while Trump was president? They got a lot done then, didn't they? No doubt Republicans had a majority other times during the 50 years R v. W stood. Here's the truth: Republicans could control the entire government and they still wouldn't end abortion because 1.) they profit from it being an issue and 2.) we aren't pressuring them enough to end it. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:01:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Yep, that's the fundamental difference right there that nobody seems to catch. Everybody believes murder of a human is bad. Most people don't believe a fetus is a human. Cry tears saying that it is, isn't actually working. Texas didn't help - there was a case where a pregnant woman took the HOV lane, and had to pay a ticket. She claimed the fetus was a human, thus there were two humans in the car. Texas said that doesn't count as a human in the car. She had to pay the ticket. I thought it was a human Texas. Federal IRS taxes - same thing. It's not a human on your taxes, until its born. Somewhat hinky examples, but the point remains - a fetus is not defined and treated as a human. Until that is unerversally accepted that it is - this is a losing fight. So far, that isn't working - and I doubt it ever will. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Killing a baby is way better than murdering one. Believe it or not, not everybody puts an unborn fetus at the same moral or biological level as a living, breathing, grown human. Yep, that's the fundamental difference right there that nobody seems to catch. Everybody believes murder of a human is bad. Most people don't believe a fetus is a human. Cry tears saying that it is, isn't actually working. Texas didn't help - there was a case where a pregnant woman took the HOV lane, and had to pay a ticket. She claimed the fetus was a human, thus there were two humans in the car. Texas said that doesn't count as a human in the car. She had to pay the ticket. I thought it was a human Texas. Federal IRS taxes - same thing. It's not a human on your taxes, until its born. Somewhat hinky examples, but the point remains - a fetus is not defined and treated as a human. Until that is unerversally accepted that it is - this is a losing fight. So far, that isn't working - and I doubt it ever will. If that same women was murdered and the “fetus” died, the perp would be charged with two counts of murder. While I agree there needs to be consistency regarding how to legally account for human, that has little bearing on the moral obligation to protect innocent human life. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:02:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Colt1860: Getting 100% of what you want and denying the other side everything has never been how politics works. We've never had a situation where we won an election so the other side had to get on boats and leave the country. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:02:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macros73: Or, and hear me out, leave it between the woman and her religion. Forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term through force will always be an overall loser, both ethically and at the polls. From a legal perspective, leave it at "civil rights and personhood are bestowed at birth." Some will be looking forward to post birth abortions........legally.... |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:03:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By foxxnhound: This abortion issue is dragging some conservative women towards the Democrats. This really pissed a lot of every day women off. Especially Idaho with outlawing all abortion, except in emergency. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:04:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Abortion is the hill Republicans are going to die on. It cost them 2022 and it's going to cost them in 2024 Washington Generals doing what they were created to do....LOSE! |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:05:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Yep, that's the fundamental difference right there that nobody seems to catch. Everybody believes murder of a human is bad. Most people don't believe a fetus is a human. Cry tears saying that it is, isn't actually working. Texas didn't help - there was a case where a pregnant woman took the HOV lane, and had to pay a ticket. She claimed the fetus was a human, thus there were two humans in the car. Texas said that doesn't count as a human in the car. She had to pay the ticket. I thought it was a human Texas. "Texas Penal Code §19.03 states that a person commits the offense of capital murder if the person intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual and the person murders an individual under 10 years of age. The Texas Penal Code further defines an individual as “a human being who is alive, including an unborn child at every stage of gestation from fertilization until birth” in §1.07(26)." |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:06:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Ok, and? My point remains the same while you try to divert to the side of the field where your obtuse semantics didn’t get your “point” spanked. Ok, and? The point is simple. You may be staunchly pro-life. And that’s fine. But most Americans aren’t - they want access to abortions should they find themselves in an unfortunate or unforeseen situation. They don’t want you, or anybody else, telling them what they can and cannot do with their reproductive healthcare decisions. And until republicans can come up with a competent and comprehensive platform on the issue which address it, they will continue to lose elections. You don’t have to like it, but you sure shouldn’t ignore it. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:11:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK3110: If that same women was murdered and the “fetus” died, the perp would be charged with two counts of murder. While I agree there needs to be consistency regarding how to legally account for human, that has little bearing on the moral obligation to protect innocent human life. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK3110: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Killing a baby is way better than murdering one. Believe it or not, not everybody puts an unborn fetus at the same moral or biological level as a living, breathing, grown human. Yep, that's the fundamental difference right there that nobody seems to catch. Everybody believes murder of a human is bad. Most people don't believe a fetus is a human. Cry tears saying that it is, isn't actually working. Texas didn't help - there was a case where a pregnant woman took the HOV lane, and had to pay a ticket. She claimed the fetus was a human, thus there were two humans in the car. Texas said that doesn't count as a human in the car. She had to pay the ticket. I thought it was a human Texas. Federal IRS taxes - same thing. It's not a human on your taxes, until its born. Somewhat hinky examples, but the point remains - a fetus is not defined and treated as a human. Until that is unerversally accepted that it is - this is a losing fight. So far, that isn't working - and I doubt it ever will. If that same women was murdered and the “fetus” died, the perp would be charged with two counts of murder. While I agree there needs to be consistency regarding how to legally account for human, that has little bearing on the moral obligation to protect innocent human life. True - sometimes in some states violent acts resulting in termination of the pregnancy are considered murder. It's one reason why the pro-abortion folks actually fight against passage of such laws, because they know where that is going. But both points remain - including yours; is that there are inconsistencies on this. And at its heart, strong conviction amongst folks that a fetus is really a human, doesn't actually convince others that a fetus is a human. And it's one of those dicey topics that will be with us forever, because it's true / it's not true. I will say this - simple phrases of "abortion is murder", are counter productive because they get one insta-dismissed based on a non-shared definition of what is actually a human - and yelling it louder doesn't help that. The campaigns to try and define a fetus as a human IMHO are the more effective route, but in generally poorly done. Billboard campagn images of something that looks like a tadpole might be beautiful to some, but freak out others as some kind of chestburster out of Aliens. With the Aliens anology worth pondering - if you want to defeat your enemy, you have to know your enemy - and that scene out of Aliens with the colonist glued to the wall asking "kill me", is pretty close to exactly what women see happening to them AND OTHERS LIKE THEM, when they are told they can't have an abortion. That's the other error, dismissing old diddies who can't get pregnant, is a very foolish dismissal, as Sista's will dedicate their lives to protecting the other sista's. And not a one of them are thinking about "so they can party". Eveyr one of them is scared shitless about rape or just a bad decision to themselves or one of theirs. Dismissal of that is how you get a Democrat Senate with a US Senator who can't even dress himself. |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:11:50 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drw1006: "Texas Penal Code §19.03 states that a person commits the offense of capital murder if the person intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual and the person murders an individual under 10 years of age. The Texas Penal Code further defines an individual as “a human being who is alive, including an unborn child at every stage of gestation from fertilization until birth” in §1.07(26)." Gonna get my wife to get 100 embryos on ice at an IVF clinic and then claim them all as dependents. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:19:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ruin: Oh, I don’t know… they could be staunch supporters of a balanced budget, a strong border, a way forward on MJ, propose meaningful law enforcement changes, support gun rights… Nah, fuck all that. Abortion is it. When did the Republicans balance the budget? When did they close the border? When did they do anything about MJ? When did they do anything about law enforcement? They’ve barely been able to keep what gun rights we already have. You’re creating a list of campaign promises that the Republicans blow up your ass, then proceed to roll over when they’re in office. When the Republicans hold power, they don’t do anything. Why? Because they know the right in this country will roll over and never push back. The right will never take action. Because the right is afraid and weak. Afraid that standing on principle makes us unpopular. And so we continue to move less, electing the “less evil” option and patting ourselves on the back. It’s disgusting. The right has no principle they won’t sacrifice to win an election. No one respects that. It’s laughable that so many people think that we can vote harder and take back this nation. The right either grows a backbone or we continue to slide left. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:21:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Abortion is the hill Republicans are going to die on. It cost them 2022 and it's going to cost them in 2024 |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:21:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Murder is an unlawful and premeditated killing. Abortion is neither unlawful (mostly), and often not premeditated, at least in the sense that it was a planned intentional act as opposed to being driven from circumstances or situations outside the mother’s control. It’s an abortion. You are terminating a pregnancy. How is getting pregnant outside the mother’s control? Are these all immaculate conceptions? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:22:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neostoicism: How is getting pregnant outside the mother’s control? Are these all immaculate conceptions? Rape, for starters. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:23:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neostoicism: Once Republicans change all their values to be identical to Democrats “to win elections”, why should I vote for Republicans? Does a Republican holding a seat have any value if they vote the same way, and hold the same values as a Democrat? Democrats like food. A real Republican should starve himself? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:26:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: oh yes they are, some way more so than me. They dont want daddy government telling them what they can and cant do with their own body My mom, my wife, my daughters, my sister, my sister in law. They all vote anti abortion. We need to stop this fallacy that all women are pro-abortion or even pro-choice. Many conservative women are anti-abortion. If all the females in your life are pro abortion, perhaps you need to associate with higher quality women. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:26:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CreamCheesePizza: Roe vs. Wade concealed peoples real views on abortion and reproductive rights. Now that the SC took the hood off, I think its pretty clear that Americans by and large support abortion rights. Especially now that some of those evangelical states dipped too deeply and started going after the pill and IFV, which is frankly an insane thing to do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CreamCheesePizza: Originally Posted By thunderw21: Ah, so roll over like a bitch and hope something happens, like we've done for decades?When do we actually get to talk about it? Republicans had control of congress 2 years under Trump and nothing happened. Republicans aren't going to abolish abortion because they profit from it being an issue. We let abortion exist for 50 years. We were too gutless to do anything then, and over 70 million babies were murdered. We tried that strategy and it led to a genocide. We need to talk about it constantly. Never stop talking about it. Confront the culture. Let the gutless Republicans lose. They weren't going to do anything anyways. Winnow the chaff from the wheat. Roe vs. Wade concealed peoples real views on abortion and reproductive rights. Now that the SC took the hood off, I think its pretty clear that Americans by and large support abortion rights. Especially now that some of those evangelical states dipped too deeply and started going after the pill and IFV, which is frankly an insane thing to do. It's insane to you. Many people, and many posters here, consider that murdering a baby and there isn't anything you can say to change their mind. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:28:30 AM EDT
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A lot of selfish people here living life, but not caring one bit about murdered babies. He's the thing; those of us who want to abolish abortion, we are winning over the "pro lifers" one day at a time. And we are not going to stop advocating for abolishing abortion and jailing those who murder their babies. It's a growing sect.
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