Originally Posted By Coopmandu:
That sounds like a confession.  Usually projection is.

There's a bunch of self loathing closeted gays in this thread.

Originally Posted By TheAffiliate:


No one is "born"gay. Just like no one is born to murder. We may have the capacity of such things but there was much much more that brings us to those realities. There are situations as a child develops their identity. No child has a physical attraction to a peer. Your brother did not conclude at 6, "I am not attracted to females". What happened was a disassociation. They are identifying markers/ sorted/misplaced/held frozen, and trauma has a way of mistepping memories and our identifying core of who we are/who we see ourselves as/who we become. May I ask, was there trauma of any kind, death, separation,overpowering caregiver, abuse...?

Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:


There is plenty of deviance and perversion practiced and openly celebrated by "straight" members here. If one were to argue a ladder theory, would make sense to start there.

There's a social mindset issue at play. Those who reject the values and "restriction" imposed by historical mores seek any opportunity to overturn what they see as repressive and backward attitudes and practices. Such people won't stop... anywhere, really. But, to somehow fixate on same sex attraction as the cause is just... odd. There's something else at play here.

Originally Posted By floridahunter07:


Spot-on. I've got probably half a dozen gay friends, some are acquaintances and some are die-hard, lifelong family friends (known them for 20+ years, done almost $1.7M in business with them, stayed in their homes on vacation, had them at our holiday dinners and been invited to theirs, been invited to come visit whenever I want with my family when they moved out of the country last year to be closer to their own families again, etc). To a man/woman, they just want to be left alone. A few of them, I had no idea were even gay until years after I met them because they were single. I don't go around discussing someone else's sex life or relationship issues, outside of very close friends who share that information when necessary because they want an opinion on something.

Somehow we landed on this topic one time when I was at the one couples' house that I've done business with before - I'll never forget when he laughed about it being a choice (something I also think is ridiculous, I could not "choose" to be attracted to men anymore than I could choose to fly to the moon without mechanical assistance) and asked if people really thought they'd go through all the hate and hassle they face if it were a CHOICE. Kinda struck a chord with me and stayed in the back of my mind as a solid point for the last decade or so.

I've also met "the alphabet people" in terms of the organized crowd, and they're totally different animal that uses protected status to claim victimhood while they try to pit people against those they hate (other minorities, whites, cops, whatever the flavor of the week is). I don't put all people of the same sexual orientation in the same group simply because of those experiences, but... there's no way EVERY gay person is a pedophile. I find it kind of ironic that the same people who claim that, become absolutely irate when you point out the amount of child sexual abuse that has occured at the hands of entities like the Catholic church.