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Link Posted: 3/27/2024 4:19:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ApacheScout:
In my 50 years of voting I've never seen a group disparage the presumptive nominee of their party like here on Arfcom. To what end? Is it sour grapes?  I don't get it.
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You're kidding right?  Is your memory so short that you have forgotten the rancor levied at Bush Romney or McCain??
Link Posted: 3/27/2024 4:20:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ApacheScout:
In my 50 years of voting I've never seen a group disparage the presumptive nominee of their party like here on Arfcom. To what end? Is it sour grapes?  I don't get it.
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Truth be told.   A "Shitty Person" is a "Shitty Person".  

As a Person, Trump is one of THE Shittiest people on the planet.  Cheated on his wifes (all three) & destroyed marriages made in vows before God.

Decades of Shady business practices including multiple bankruptcies' leaving others to pay the cost for his mistakes.  

Paid a porn starlet for sex, and then paid her again to keep quiet about it.  

Trump is just an absolute Shit person - no matter what the "Q" crewe think of him in their worship of him as "America's Savior".  

Trump is a Republican is on the Republican ballot for 2024.  

If a Republican President is in office, a Democrat can't name new justices to the SCOTUS.  

I will still vote straight ticket "Republican" for the PARTY and the NATION in 2024, but I'm certainly not voting FOR "Donald Trump" - Total Bag of Shit that he is.

Make no mistake, Joe Biden. & The Democrats are total & Complete Crap. They flat out suck!  But if actual Conservative Republicans will embrace a flip flopping "Populist" with no moral values like Trump instead of real actual.committed Conservatives then we are completely screwed both on the next election and for us down the line in future elections.

The Folks that Still Worship Donald Trump as being the Savior of the Nation and God's own Appointed come to Save Us All is laughable with such a terrible candidate whom the folks in the Middle (who decide elections) - just love to loath.  

Trump blew what should have been a easy win in 2020, and I believe Trump can be such a colossal ass he can do it all over again in 2024.

Bigger_Hammer
Link Posted: 3/27/2024 4:20:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AdLucem:

You're kidding right?  Is your memory so short that you have forgotten the rancor levied at Bush Romney or McCain??
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Originally Posted By AdLucem:
Originally Posted By ApacheScout:
In my 50 years of voting I've never seen a group disparage the presumptive nominee of their party like here on Arfcom. To what end? Is it sour grapes?  I don't get it.

You're kidding right?  Is your memory so short that you have forgotten the rancor levied at Bush Romney or McCain??



Yep. Fuck those pieces of shit as well.
Link Posted: 3/27/2024 4:21:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Those are legitimate questions, many of which have been addressed - not PROOF.
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

 Georgia was called by 11,779 votes.

 The second machine count was over 17,000 votes "short." Fulton County was instructed to "reconcile" the results by the Secretary of State, and recertified its results without divulging the extent of the vote deficiency to members of the Fulton County Board of Registrations and Elections.

 "Thousands of bogus votes" were ultimately added into the Election results via the second machine count. This includes 20,977 unsubstantiated votes of unknown origin. The results were missing 17,852 ballot images, and included 3,125 duplicate ballot images that were counted twice.

 At least 2,871 ballots were counted two or three times in the second machine count, totaling 6,118 questionable votes.

 Eighty-eight percent of Fulton County's precincts reported a different total number of votes between the first and second machine count.


Wisconsin was called by 20,682 votes.

 There were just 56,978 indefinitely confined votes in 2016, and roughly 70,000 43 in 2019. In 2020, however, there were 220,404 votes cast using indefinite confinement status. Over 77 percent of these individuals had never been listed as indefinitely confined before. The Wisconsin Legislative Audit Bureau identified 48,554 people who voted as indefinitely confined in November 2020 who had never provided photo identification or did not have photo identifications on file with clerks, which is more than twice the vote margin of 20,682.

 Pennsylvania was called by 80,555 votes.

 Republican lawmakers, led by State Representative Frank Ryan, were tracking the vote discrepancy in real time in the Statewide Uniform Registry of Electors (SURE) system. Ryan, a certified public accountant, initially reported that there were 170,830 more votes than voters in the Presidential race, more than twice the margin in Pennsylvania. "These numbers just don't add up, and the alleged certification of Pennsylvania's presidential election results was absolutely premature, unconfirmed, and in error," the lawmakers said.


ARIZONA  

 Arizona was called by a margin of 10,457 votes.   Maricopa County accepted 20,500 mail-in ballots after Election Day 2020, including 18,000   more than the entire election margin   on Nov. 4 picked up from the U.S. Postal Service. By law, ballots must be received no later than 7 p.m. on Election Day, which was Nov. 3.

 Since the findings were presented to the Arizona State Legislature, the number of egregious mismatches found has increased to 76,354, over seven times the election margin. This is an error rate of 9.30 percent of ballot envelopes reviewed.



 Michigan was called by 154,188 votes.

 As of December 2023, Michigan has 271,566 more votes than the number of voters listed in its Qualified Voter File for Nov. 3, 2020, more than one and a half times the Election margin.

And this is not even the tip of the iceberg. It's one tiny corner of a half an atom's worth of the meaningful indicators that "YOU NEED TO INVESTIGATE THIS" that we saw.

People will read this and invent crap excuses to ignore it.

Those are legitimate questions, many of which have been addressed - not PROOF.

See?

Exactly like I said it would be.

"But it's not what I arbitrarily call proof, so my mental house of cards is safe!"

And if you go down the rabbit hole, the next bit will be you saying how the courts didn't let any of the cases happen.

Than I'll tell you to go look and see why.

and you'll refuse.

And anything that doesn't fit (with what you say you want) that was not allowed to happen will never qualify in that script processor between your ears as "proof."

Anything, anything at all besides digging in and seeing what happened.

I can post you the links to the testimony.

You'll bitch and whine that you don't have the time.

edits in red.
Link Posted: 3/27/2024 4:23:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt:



Is SSI and the support of SSI communism or socialism?
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I'll quote myself here:

I'll grant you, they are not doctrinaire marxists, but they are following the same underlying thought processes.
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

I'll quote myself here:

I'll grant you, they are not doctrinaire marxists, but they are following the same underlying thought processes.
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Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt:



Is SSI and the support of SSI communism or socialism?

I'll quote myself here:

I'll grant you, they are not doctrinaire marxists, but they are following the same underlying thought processes.



The question stands.  You implied that SSI proponents are communists.  I question that assertation.
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Here's my problem with your claim: There is a tendency to blame everything on the government, where "the government" is seen as some evil nameless, faceless - and most importantly - monolithic entity. The government consists of thousands and thousands of INDIVIDUALS, each with their own opinions, morals, beliefs, etc. While the majority of them are probably Demoracts, there are a fair number of Republicans in the mix too. In order for "the government" to be capable of what it is accused of, you would have to have every single individual that makes up the government participate in said evil behavior, none of them speaking out against injustices. You don't think that there's a single person who is willing to speak out if a government program participated in domestic false flag or terrorist attacks, for example?
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Originally Posted By PatriotAr15:

Yeah... no reason to believe our government engages in false flag terror attacks/provoking and encouraging terrorist attacks.

Yeah I'm sure the court findings from the Curtis Culwell Center terrorist attacks, was all just "Muh Russian Propaganda". People like you will believe any allegation against Russia, if it makes Russia look bad. But if there was a literal mountain of evidence of wrongdoing by our own government, you just handwave it and go "LOL OK conspiratard".

Here's my problem with your claim: There is a tendency to blame everything on the government, where "the government" is seen as some evil nameless, faceless - and most importantly - monolithic entity. The government consists of thousands and thousands of INDIVIDUALS, each with their own opinions, morals, beliefs, etc. While the majority of them are probably Demoracts, there are a fair number of Republicans in the mix too. In order for "the government" to be capable of what it is accused of, you would have to have every single individual that makes up the government participate in said evil behavior, none of them speaking out against injustices. You don't think that there's a single person who is willing to speak out if a government program participated in domestic false flag or terrorist attacks, for example?
People *HAVE* spoken out.

Sometimes it blew wide open into a full fledged scandal that is now a matter of public record.
Sometimes, the Government does a good job of sweeping it under the rug and pretending nothing happened...discrediting the accusers.

Look, think about this logically. Only a small percentage of crimes ever get reported. Only a small percentage of those reported crimes, results in an actual arrest. Only a percentage of those, ends up with an actual conviction. What is our conclusion? That only crimes that have a corresponding conviction, ever happened? OR do we logically conclude, what has *ALWAYS* been widely known and not disputed... that the vast vast majority of crimes go unpunished. Most of these street crimes are committed by seriously low IQ people... yet they still manage to mostly get away with it the majority of the time.

Why is it so hard to believe this isn't the case with the government? Why is it so hard to believe that all the scandals that have been openly admitted because there was too much evidence to deny... are just "the tip of the iceberg"? The stuff we *KNOW* the government has done in the past, is bad enough.

Why don't people speak out against injusticies?
Many possible reasons. Not the least of which is the banality of evil.

In order to have someone become a whistleblower... they need to have several qualities and circumstances surrounding them for them to be capable of exposing anything with any level of success.

They need to have concrete evidence of the wrong doing. This can often be avoided by simple compartmentalization of duties.
They need to have upstanding moral character, and a desire for justice.
They need to have moral courage, to be willing to put their own life, and the lives of their FAMILY on the line.
They need to be ideologically opposed to the regime, and its actions... as such that they don't somehow "rationalize" away the injustice or come to the conclusion "Yea, it might be illegal/unconstitutional... but THEY DESERVE IT!" or "ITS FOR THE GREATER GOOD!"
They need to believe that their coming out, will have any affect. Remember, if you don't think you'll make an impact... would you be willing to put your life on the line, and those of your family for potentially no chance of success?
They need to be credible, and there not be any reason to doubt their testimony.

Then there is the aforementioned "Banality of evil". That there is a sort of "normalcy bias" and that some people start working somewhere, start to see some screwed up stuff going on... but just grow accustomed to it and think its fine.

By your argument, there never should be ANY scandals the US Government can get away with for decades at a time.
But history shows us thats not true.

Lets look at mostly undisputed scandals and conspiracies that have been proven true.

Northwoods Documents
Radiation experiments on poor people.
Tuskegee Experiments
That pro-western libyan family that was kidnapped by the intelligence community, and then handed off to Qadaffi as part of some screwed up backroom "deal" only for them to be tortured by Qadaffi.
MK Ultra Experiments (IIRC, Charles Manson had some connection to it)
Patriot ACT abuses/FISA court rubberstamping.
The Fives Eyes literally being nothing more than a loophole to allow western governments to claim they "dont spy on their own people"... because yknow,... they have their allies do it for them and just share the intel.
That missionary family that was shotdown by the CIA in south America, and for 10 years was lied about by our own government until finally admitting culpability.
Jeffrey Epstein/ Ghislaine Maxwell's connections to the intelligence community. Epstein had met with the current head of the CIA for "career advice" several years back. Ghislaine's father had Mossad connections.
The head of the Border Patrol union openly admitted that CBP is openly and knowingly facilitating child sex trafficking
Operation Mockingbird.
DHS engaging in mafia style "suggestions" to Social media giants to censor dissident thought.
The Curtis Culwell Center attack.

These are just subjects that have been spoken about publicly. Some of the things I mentioned, can often be found in literal school history books.
Some of these scandals happened over the period of *DECADES* before finally being exposed. In fact, in the case of the Tuskeegee experiments and radiological experiments... there even were internal memos where some staff openly questioned the ethics of what they were doing! But yet, we still never heard about it until decades later... this really pokes holes in your theory that these things can't happen because "Someone would talk".

Then there is the possibility that our government has probably gotten progressively better at figuring out what kind of people they can trust to do their dirty work, people they can destroy or easily discredit, or people who have shown a tendency of "Banality towards evil" .. if they go whistleblower. Or perhaps people who they themselves... were complicit and thus exposing the government's crimes would condemn themselves as well.

Didn't Anne Frank, at one point in her diary, mention an uncle who warned their family about death camps, and he was dismissed as being "crazy" by all of her family?
Remember not just the issue of the banality of evil, but also normalcy bias and how people.... even when faced with harsh oppression.... simply can't accept whats actually going on. It makes it far far easier for awful things to happen right under our noses, and be ignored.

Our leaders claim that we are so much better than Russia, that we don't spy on American citizens, that we dont censor dissident thought... but we do. If our leaders and our government cherished our constitutional rights... why do they work so damn hard to look for every possible loophole to get around them? Why does Joe Biden talk so much about how we need more hate speech laws? FFS, even Republicans are demanding more hate speech laws... and wanting to basically criminalize any criticism of Israel.

It is *OBVIOUS* that our leaders are every bit as power hungry, every bit as evil, as the Putins of the world. Their lust for power is only limited by real world consequences... and a relative difference in starting points of tyranny. Putin can do anything he wants with impunity... whereas our leaders are more likely to face some backlash and some serious consequences if they push too hard. The Russian government benefits from the fact that pretty much their entire history has been ruled by despots... with people not used to being free and basically having been battered into submission. They benefit from already having long standing institutions that strengthen their hold on power.

But believe me, if they had the same power as Putin... they'd abuse their power in much the same way. Their actions show that they're willing to abuse what little power they already.
Link Posted: 3/27/2024 5:10:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Seadra_tha_Guineapig:

yes and the maricopa county gope were in on it because she threatened to expose their complicity in the 2020 election fraud
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Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Aside from her claims on the recorder do you believe that Lake was the victim of election fraud?

yes and the maricopa county gope were in on it because she threatened to expose their complicity in the 2020 election fraud

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Link Posted: 3/27/2024 5:12:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:


If you have the evidence, you need to send it to her ASAP.

I don't think that an affidavit claiming "I believe there was fraud" will suffice.
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Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Aside from her claims on the recorder do you believe that Lake was the victim of election fraud?


If you have the evidence, you need to send it to her ASAP.

I don't think that an affidavit claiming "I believe there was fraud" will suffice.

2,000 Mules
Link Posted: 3/27/2024 5:15:18 PM EDT
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There have been many signed affidavits from people who worked at polling stations all over the country that they personally
witnessed voting fraud during 2020.
Not to mention 2000 mules and people like Crowder and crew actually going to addresses of voters where the address didn't exist or the person
--who voted--moved away long ago.

AR15.com is filled with trolls who spout DU talking points against Trump to try and discourage people from voting for him.
Every pro-Trump news is met with thread slides and purse swinging.

"Show me the proof"--are you kidding me?

"My eyes aren't blind but i can't see"--snowblind by Ozzie.
"Say a little truth with many lies"--Dio.

Mods need to come out that this is a pro 2A site and the only alternative  for 2024 is DJT.

The one just above who said he( or whatever you are) are pro 2A prove it.You are doing everything in your power for DJT to be defeated.Going to vote
R down the line-- sure buddy.


Link Posted: 3/27/2024 5:21:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bhart89:

2,000 Mules
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Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Aside from her claims on the recorder do you believe that Lake was the victim of election fraud?


If you have the evidence, you need to send it to her ASAP.

I don't think that an affidavit claiming "I believe there was fraud" will suffice.

2,000 Mules


Dinesh D'Souza is a liar and a grifter so I'm 0% surprised to see you reference him.

You guys will literally believe anything, so long as it's what you want to hear.  Holy shit, have some self respect, or a cogent thought at least.  God damn.
Link Posted: 3/27/2024 5:39:57 PM EDT
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Thank you for illustrating my point.
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First you convince yourself that something happened

Then you say that the thing happened because of a conspiracy to make it happen.  

Then, when you can't find any evidence of the thing, you say that proves the existence of the conspiracy.   Because if there wasn't a conspiracy, you could find the evidence




They've been primed to believe in grand conspiracies for decades now.  That, and the fact that in the post 9/11 world the government has greatly expanded it's monitoring processes, which gives credence to many conspiracy thoeries.

Yeah... no reason to believe our government engages in false flag terror attacks/provoking and encouraging terrorist attacks.

Yeah I'm sure the court findings from the Curtis Culwell Center terrorist attacks, was all just "Muh Russian Propaganda". People like you will believe any allegation against Russia, if it makes Russia look bad. But if there was a literal mountain of evidence of wrongdoing by our own government, you just handwave it and go "LOL OK conspiratard".


Thank you for illustrating my point.
Yep... totally dismiss whats been admitted in the court case.

Apparently that court must have been a fake court, run by Alex Jones or some bullshit.
Link Posted: 3/27/2024 5:47:32 PM EDT
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Yep... totally dismiss whats been admitted in the court case.

Apparently that court must have been a fake court, run by Alex Jones or some bullshit.
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First you convince yourself that something happened

Then you say that the thing happened because of a conspiracy to make it happen.  

Then, when you can't find any evidence of the thing, you say that proves the existence of the conspiracy.   Because if there wasn't a conspiracy, you could find the evidence




They've been primed to believe in grand conspiracies for decades now.  That, and the fact that in the post 9/11 world the government has greatly expanded it's monitoring processes, which gives credence to many conspiracy thoeries.

Yeah... no reason to believe our government engages in false flag terror attacks/provoking and encouraging terrorist attacks.

Yeah I'm sure the court findings from the Curtis Culwell Center terrorist attacks, was all just "Muh Russian Propaganda". People like you will believe any allegation against Russia, if it makes Russia look bad. But if there was a literal mountain of evidence of wrongdoing by our own government, you just handwave it and go "LOL OK conspiratard".


Thank you for illustrating my point.
Yep... totally dismiss whats been admitted in the court case.

Apparently that court must have been a fake court, run by Alex Jones or some bullshit.


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Dinesh D'Souza is a liar and a grifter so I'm 0% surprised to see you reference him.

You guys will literally believe anything, so long as it's what you want to hear.  Holy shit, have some self respect, or a cogent thought at least.  God damn.
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Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Aside from her claims on the recorder do you believe that Lake was the victim of election fraud?


If you have the evidence, you need to send it to her ASAP.

I don't think that an affidavit claiming "I believe there was fraud" will suffice.

2,000 Mules


Dinesh D'Souza is a liar and a grifter so I'm 0% surprised to see you reference him.

You guys will literally believe anything, so long as it's what you want to hear.  Holy shit, have some self respect, or a cogent thought at least.  God damn.

why don't you bring up the fact that he's a convicted felon as well?
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Trump blew what should have been a easy win in 2020, and I believe Trump can be such a colossal ass he can do it all over again in 2024.

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Don't forget he's going to lose in 2028 as well.

(Except he looked real rough in his bible commercial, squinty eyes and black pupils like Biden...so maybe he won't run in 2028).
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Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Aside from her claims on the recorder do you believe that Lake was the victim of election fraud?


If you have the evidence, you need to send it to her ASAP.

I don't think that an affidavit claiming "I believe there was fraud" will suffice.

2,000 Mules


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Is your contention that Rudy Gulianni did not sign and submit an affidavit admitting that he lied about voter fraud in Georgia, that Sidney Powell's attorney did not argue in court that no reasonable person would have ever believed her claims, that Fox news did not settle for hundreds of millions of dollars over their bullshit about the domininion machines...?
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In what court?


Is your contention that Rudy Gulianni did not sign and submit an affidavit admitting that he lied about voter fraud in Georgia, that Sidney Powell's attorney did not argue in court that no reasonable person would have ever believed her claims, that Fox news did not settle for hundreds of millions of dollars over their bullshit about the domininion machines...?
Is your contention that people don't do whatever they have to do to stay out of jail or face heavy fines?
You also believe them when they say they were wrong, but not when they made other claims?
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I will boot avowed communists on sight. Can you point me to the posts that identify them as such?
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I fucking hate commies, my family lost everything they had owned since the 1300s due to commies. But we all know that anyone who does not fall in line behind Trump is who they are speaking of. And for the record, I do not think most trump voters are like that, just a few misguided zealots.
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Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer:


Expect to hear ... Crickets ...    

Like "Stolen Election Claims" - Loud noises made, but when it is time to back up wild claims with any "Facts" or "Evidence" then, "The Whole System is Rigged Against Us because we have to have "Facts" & "Evidence"....

Is Poster claiming that Donald Trump knowingly hired porn starlet Stormy Daniels to gurgle his balls - illegally using campaign money to try to hush it, and that she is in fact a "communist"?

https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/how-stormy-daniels-can-bring-down-president-trump-2018-read-9fdbe84f-3fec-4e58-88a7-2b838ae14f34.jpg?w=1024


That would seem a very unwise security breach, indicating the Person is irresponsible & unfit for important office -  sort of like storing boxes of highly sensitive & classified intelligence documents in the bathroom of a public club ...

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The saddest part of all that is she's not even a hot porn star, she's one of those women you would see at a strip club on the nasty side of town. Where all the old used-up strippers go when they are past their prime. The last POTUS to have any taste in good-looking women was JFK, at least he was screwing around with Marlyn Monroe.
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I will boot avowed communists on sight. Can you point me to the posts that identify them as such?

Originally Posted By Alwaysright:
I fucking hate commies, my family lost everything they had owned since the 1300s due to commies. But we all know that anyone who does not fall in line behind Trump is who they are speaking of. And for the record, I do not think most trump voters are like that, just a few misguided zealots.
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The Trump Worshipers debase the English language.

When "everybody who doesn't love & worship a shitty person / politician like Donald Trump is a 'Commie' ",

That is when "Commie" as a word loses all useful meaning.

Just as when others say all "Conservatives are Nazis"

Bigger_Hammer
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Sounds like Rudy.
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Yeah, she's essentially admitting she lied and had no evidence to back her accusations of ballot stuffing...

Sounds like Rudy.
The Democrats reward the people who "take one for the team".  They wouldn't run her for office but they would get her a great paying job.
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Is your contention that people don't do whatever they have to do to stay out of jail or face heavy fines?
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lol most of us knew they were full of shit all along.
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Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer:


Truth be told.   A "Shitty Person" is a "Shitty Person".  

As a Person, Trump is one of THE Shittiest people on the planet.  Cheated on his wifes (all three) & destroyed marriages made in vows before God.

Decades of Shady business practices including multiple bankruptcies' leaving others to pay the cost for his mistakes.  

Paid a porn starlet for sex, and then paid her again to keep quiet about it.  

Trump is just an absolute Shit person - no matter what the "Q" crewe think of him in their worship of him as "America's Savior".  

Trump is a Republican is on the Republican ballot for 2024.  

If a Republican President is in office, a Democrat can't name new justices to the SCOTUS.  

I will still vote straight ticket "Republican" for the PARTY and the NATION in 2024, but I'm certainly not voting FOR "Donald Trump" - Total Bag of Shit that he is.

Make no mistake, Joe Biden. & The Democrats are total & Complete Crap. They flat out suck!  But if actual Conservative Republicans will embrace a flip flopping "Populist" with no moral values like Trump instead of real actual.committed Conservatives then we are completely screwed both on the next election and for us down the line in future elections.

The Folks that Still Worship Donald Trump as being the Savior of the Nation and God's own Appointed come to Save Us All is laughable with such a terrible candidate whom the folks in the Middle (who decide elections) - just love to loath.  

Trump blew what should have been a easy win in 2020, and I believe Trump can be such a colossal ass he can do it all over again in 2024.

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Originally Posted By Alwaysright:



The saddest part of all that is she's not even a hot porn star, she's one of those women you would see at a strip club on the nasty side of town. Where all the old used-up strippers go when they are past their prime. The last POTUS to have any taste in good-looking women was JFK, at least he was screwing around with Marlyn Monroe.
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Originally Posted By Alwaysright:
Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer:


Expect to hear ... Crickets ...    

Like "Stolen Election Claims" - Loud noises made, but when it is time to back up wild claims with any "Facts" or "Evidence" then, "The Whole System is Rigged Against Us because we have to have "Facts" & "Evidence"....

Is Poster claiming that Donald Trump knowingly hired porn starlet Stormy Daniels to gurgle his balls - illegally using campaign money to try to hush it, and that she is in fact a "communist"?

https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/how-stormy-daniels-can-bring-down-president-trump-2018-read-9fdbe84f-3fec-4e58-88a7-2b838ae14f34.jpg?w=1024


That would seem a very unwise security breach, indicating the Person is irresponsible & unfit for important office -  sort of like storing boxes of highly sensitive & classified intelligence documents in the bathroom of a public club ...

Bigger_Hammer



The saddest part of all that is she's not even a hot porn star, she's one of those women you would see at a strip club on the nasty side of town. Where all the old used-up strippers go when they are past their prime. The last POTUS to have any taste in good-looking women was JFK, at least he was screwing around with Marlyn Monroe.



LOL!  With Trump Money & his "influence" in various beauty pageants you'd have expected him to have salted away a few super hot side pieces instead of a nasty used up "porn starlett" who's had more "pricks" than 20 acres of cactus🌵.

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Originally Posted By Alwaysright:



I fucking hate commies, my family lost everything they had owned since the 1300s due to commies. But we all know that anyone who does not fall in line behind Trump is who they are speaking of. And for the record, I do not think most trump voters are like that, just a few misguided zealots.
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Originally Posted By Alwaysright:
Originally Posted By Zhukov:

I will boot avowed communists on sight. Can you point me to the posts that identify them as such?



I fucking hate commies, my family lost everything they had owned since the 1300s due to commies. But we all know that anyone who does not fall in line behind Trump is who they are speaking of. And for the record, I do not think most trump voters are like that, just a few misguided zealots.


My wife's father grew up near the border of China in what is now North Korea. One day the commies lined up his family and executed them while he hid with his sister. His sister starved to death, but my father-in-law fled south and was taken in by an American GI who found him housing and paid for all of his school.

All the retards claiming commies are everywhere on this site are a special type of stupid, and belittle the suffering actual commies inflicted upon people.
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Originally Posted By Thrasymachus:


My wife's father grew up near the border of China in what is now North Korea. One day the commies lined up his family and executed them while he hid with his sister. His sister starved to death, but my father-in-law fled south and was taken in by an American GI who found him housing and paid for all of his school.

All the retards claiming commies are everywhere on this site are a special type of stupid, and belittle the suffering actual commies inflicted upon people.
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They truly are no better than the ones on the other side who think if you chop off your dick that makes you a woman. Or like another poster stated above when the left says all conservatives are Nazis. It's the same illogical thinking.
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With a corrupt DOJ and FBI we will never see the evidence. It's out there, just look at how the election went down and how the counts went. Blocked windows and kicked out the poll watchers. Yea totally legit..
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Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt:




They could have just asked Donald for the evidence/proof

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/463094/IMG_5395_jpeg-3171022.JPG



With a corrupt DOJ and FBI we will never see the evidence. It's out there, just look at how the election went down and how the counts went. Blocked windows and kicked out the poll watchers. Yea totally legit..
Since when, at any time in history, have they STOPPED counting votes, in ANY state? Let alone 5 strategic, key, swing states?

why did they stop? Were they just tired? Who told them to?
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Since when, at any time in history, have they STOPPED counting votes, in ANY state? Let alone 5 strategic, key, swing states?

why did they stop? Were they just tired? Who told them to?
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Did the counting stop, or did the reporting slow down?
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Originally Posted By Alwaysright:



They truly are no better than the ones on the other side who think if you chop off your dick that makes you a woman. Or like another poster stated above when the left says all conservatives are Nazis. It's the same illogical thinking.
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Originally Posted By Alwaysright:
Originally Posted By Thrasymachus:


My wife's father grew up near the border of China in what is now North Korea. One day the commies lined up his family and executed them while he hid with his sister. His sister starved to death, but my father-in-law fled south and was taken in by an American GI who found him housing and paid for all of his school.

All the retards claiming commies are everywhere on this site are a special type of stupid, and belittle the suffering actual commies inflicted upon people.



They truly are no better than the ones on the other side who think if you chop off your dick that makes you a woman. Or like another poster stated above when the left says all conservatives are Nazis. It's the same illogical thinking.



Ayup
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Those are legitimate questions, many of which have been addressed - not PROOF.
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You think all of those "errors", enough to sway the outcome, were just a coincidence?

How cute.
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Page one and all the DU folks are already in here.
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Did the counting stop, or did the reporting slow down?
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Are you really asking that?  Pepper your angus.
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Originally Posted By ApacheScout:
In my 50 years of voting I've never seen a group disparage the presumptive nominee of their party like here on Arfcom. To what end? Is it sour grapes?  I don't get it.
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The same people who pulled the lever for Bush2, McCain, and Romney, because muh GOP!!!

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The question stands.  You implied that SSI proponents are communists.  I question that assertation.
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Did this suddenly become the old hens sitting on the porch gossping about everyone and backstabbing where it doesn't matter what a person said or did?

I generally tend to try and avoid implying anything. I usually either say it or I say nothing, I've had mods tell me to change thread titles because I've said stuff too bluntly.  In other words, that's just not my habit.

The "screw you, pay me, it's right when the government steals from you to give to me, and it's right because it was wrong for the government to do it to me, I want mine" are operating on envy and hate of others and a serious entitlement complex.

Communists operate on the same basic motivations and with the same mental structures.   I pretty clearly said that's what I was talking about - the fact that you're having to go down the route of "well you implied..."

It's something else to see threads that complain about how workplaces full of females play word games and backstab, and than we turn around do exactly that.

Maybe don't do that?
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In my 50 years of voting I've never seen a group disparage the presumptive nominee of their party like here on Arfcom. To what end? Is it sour grapes?  I don't get it.
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In your 50 years of voting, have you seen a republican run for re-election after increasing the debt 8.4 trillion USD in a single 4 year term?  In your 50 years of voting, have you ever seen anyone flip flop harder than those who called out Obama's wreckless spending during his term, whom then vehemently defend and support Trump running for re-election after he spent at a rate TWICE that of Obama?  And then these same people call anyone who doesn't support Trump a communist.
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Originally Posted By Low_Country:


Did the counting stop, or did the reporting slow down?
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Originally Posted By JarheadPatriot:
Since when, at any time in history, have they STOPPED counting votes, in ANY state? Let alone 5 strategic, key, swing states?

why did they stop? Were they just tired? Who told them to?


Did the counting stop, or did the reporting slow down?
You have a very selective memory.
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

That's some circular logic right, as has already been pointed out:
  • Claim that fraud occurred
  • Asked to provide proof
  • Provides evidence of allegations
  • Called out that proof doesn't exist
  • Get told that asking for proof is proof that it happened and that providing proof "is really hard".
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

See?

Exactly like I said it would be.

"But it's not what I arbitrarily call proof, so my mental house of cards is safe!"

And if you go down the rabbit hole, the next bit will be you saying how the courts didn't let any of the cases happen.

Than I'll tell you to go look and see why.

and you'll refuse.

And anything that doesn't fit (with what you say you want) that was not allowed to happen will never qualify in that script processor between your ears as "proof."

Anything, anything at all besides digging in and seeing what happened.

I can post you the links to the testimony.

You'll bitch and whine that you don't have the time.

edits in red.

That's some circular logic right, as has already been pointed out:
  • Claim that fraud occurred
  • Asked to provide proof
  • Provides evidence of allegations
  • Called out that proof doesn't exist
  • Get told that asking for proof is proof that it happened and that providing proof "is really hard".


Circular?

Ok, where was I using the thing I was trying to prove as proof that it is true? Use the quote button, use my own words, exactly what they mean, and hit me in the face with them.

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"Called out that proof doesn't exist"

Nice of you to repetitively ignore where I said the courts (wrongfully ) refused to allow people to (legally) get discovery.

In simple explicit terms so you can't avoid it: we can't get the proof of that type because bad actors refused to allow it to be gotten.

What we DO have is more than enough markers that scream "THIS NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED" and I even listed a tiny few of them in the thread.

I believe you know the courts didn't allow the cases to happen, meaning you probably know that nobody could cite evidence that normally only shows up in court cases.

You're asking for something you KNOW cannot be reasonably given and you know it's safe for you to do it.

You *might* be unaware of the abusive bullcrap the courts pulled to refuse the cases, but than, I've been telling everyone that's reading my posts in this thread over and over again that it happened that way. AFAIK nobody has even told me I'm wrong about that, yall just aren't touching it.

When I do post all the markers that indicate fraud and the like may have happened and we'd better bloody well look at it, people crap their diapers and whine and say it's too hard of an ask, too much to read, too much to watch, too much to listen to.

Than we go off to other threads and  whinge about how the election system is busted.

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Originally Posted By bikedamon:


Dinesh D'Souza is a liar and a grifter so I'm 0% surprised to see you reference him.

You guys will literally believe anything, so long as it's what you want to hear.  Holy shit, have some self respect, or a cogent thought at least.  God damn.
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Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Aside from her claims on the recorder do you believe that Lake was the victim of election fraud?


If you have the evidence, you need to send it to her ASAP.

I don't think that an affidavit claiming "I believe there was fraud" will suffice.

2,000 Mules


Dinesh D'Souza is a liar and a grifter so I'm 0% surprised to see you reference him.

You guys will literally believe anything, so long as it's what you want to hear.  Holy shit, have some self respect, or a cogent thought at least.  God damn.

Notice what you didn't do:

You didn't even begin to say how anything in that content is false.

Instead, you pulled the leftoid npc trick: UNAPPROVED SOURCE, MUST BASH.
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Originally Posted By bikedamon:


Dinesh D'Souza is a liar and a grifter so I'm 0% surprised to see you reference him.

You guys will literally believe anything, so long as it's what you want to hear.  Holy shit, have some self respect, or a cogent thought at least.  God damn.
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Originally Posted By bikedamon:
Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Aside from her claims on the recorder do you believe that Lake was the victim of election fraud?


If you have the evidence, you need to send it to her ASAP.

I don't think that an affidavit claiming "I believe there was fraud" will suffice.

2,000 Mules


Dinesh D'Souza is a liar and a grifter so I'm 0% surprised to see you reference him.

You guys will literally believe anything, so long as it's what you want to hear.  Holy shit, have some self respect, or a cogent thought at least.  God damn.


I don't actually know, but I have a copy of 2000 mules and have meant to watch it.  Before I got to doing so, basically this is what I've heard, that it's pretty much Ancient Alien's level quality and completely debunked.  So I kind of lost interest and haven't bothered.  I guess you would agree then, that it's not credible?  As time as gone on, and essentially every single Election Fraud accuser has admitted that they made it up and lied, and here's a check - I've pretty much completely lost interest.  

I still have it, but it's going to take a compelling case to bother watching it for me now.  This thread isn't helping.
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This thread is a great who's who of democrat operatives.

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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

Well it's a darned good thing that you only have to read about 3-4 paragraphs or so of the text to get an idea about it.

The easiest way to manipulate suckers in america: Say exactly what you mean... but use more than 2 paragraphs and use multisyllabic words.
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Because she made claims and has been unable to get access to evidence.

She might also be running out of money to fight.

She's probably burned millions trying to fight this and suspect she's running our of money


So she filed for discovery and they refused to provide it, defying the courts order or did it just not exist?



In order to prove what she alleges, you would have to trace every ballot back to a valid voter.  With the way the mail in process works, it's impossible to do that.  The "voter" "certifies" their ballot by signing the envelope.  The very first thing that they do when they receive the ballots for counting, is to open up the envelope, and separate the envelope from the ballot.  This sanitizes the ballot and makes it impossible to confirm it's validity!  Once they have been separated, the ballot is assumed to be valid and there is no way to even determine who cast that ballot.

It's a perfect setup for cheating at a grand scale if you do not have robust accountability at the counting places.  Which explains the ones where Republicans were thrown out.




https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/463094/IMG_5395_jpeg-3170865.JPG

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1742670648433090764.html

Warning. WALL of text.

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https://cdn.nucleusfiles.com/e0/e04e630c-63ff-4bdb-9652-e0be3598b5d4/summary20of20election20fraud20in20the20swing20states.pdf



Leading with links to cdn.nucleusfiles.com (whoever that is), with a wall of text starting with "KanekoaTheGreat", isn't the best start.

Well it's a darned good thing that you only have to read about 3-4 paragraphs or so of the text to get an idea about it.

The easiest way to manipulate suckers in america: Say exactly what you mean... but use more than 2 paragraphs and use multisyllabic words.


So... no - I didn't, and am not going to.  I have literally 1000 hours of inputs per day I should study.  One's like this with sourcing like that aren't going to make the cut.  I wasted enough time a couple years ago chasing medical research papers being quoted as an authority here once, that were actually written by a high-school kid for Godsake; with a false-premise that isn't coming true, that half this forum is still convinced is true, yet isn't actually showing up.  It was an absurd waste of time and so no - I'm not reading random-fuck sourced monologs as authoritarian reference material.
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In your 50 years of voting, have you seen a republican run for re-election after increasing the debt 8.4 trillion USD in a single 4 year term?  In your 50 years of voting, have you ever seen anyone flip flop harder than those who called out Obama's wreckless spending during his term, whom then vehemently defend and support Trump running for re-election after he spent at a rate TWICE that of Obama?  And then these same people call anyone who doesn't support Trump a communist.
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Originally Posted By ApacheScout:
In my 50 years of voting I've never seen a group disparage the presumptive nominee of their party like here on Arfcom. To what end? Is it sour grapes?  I don't get it.


In your 50 years of voting, have you seen a republican run for re-election after increasing the debt 8.4 trillion USD in a single 4 year term?  In your 50 years of voting, have you ever seen anyone flip flop harder than those who called out Obama's wreckless spending during his term, whom then vehemently defend and support Trump running for re-election after he spent at a rate TWICE that of Obama?  And then these same people call anyone who doesn't support Trump a communist.

I don't like trump, did vote for him, hate that his picks were so crappy, and will vote for him over biden this time around because I think there's a decent chance he will make federal government and office of the presidency matter less in the future ...

and ...

Reagan increased the deficit by (reportedly) 1.6 trillion (in 80s dollars, I believe).

I'd be surprised if at least some of that didn't happen in his first term.

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And yes, we are more tribal in our politics. It's like trump's egotism and wild way of saying things broke the dam and everyone's gone nuts with the way they say stuff.
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So... no - I didn't, and am not going to.  I have literally 1000 hours of inputs per day I should study.  One's like this with sourcing like that aren't going to make the cut.
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You're right.

Go directly to the source testimony of the people who were first hand involved in the election process and election night and thereafter.

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There you go. The testimony of the people who were there. It had to be given in state hearings because the courts pontius-pilated their way out of it.

Pick one, any one, and be just a hair less biased and better than the average mainstream reporter and listen. Yeah, the audio is miserable and they're long.

If you're not just saying it to say it, that's as close as you're going to get without being directly involved (at least that I know of).

Oh, and I'll tell you ignore the dog and pony show with the expert colonel or whatever.

Just listen to what the people who were directly involved had to say. Start adding that stuff up. See what the outline in the wall they give starts to look like.

ETA: and If I'm wrong in saying that their testimony collectively SCREAMS "you should investigate this!" ... come tell me.

I want to know if I'm wrong.
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

I give up. Bad actors all along the way only fudged things in favor of the Democrats. Every single judge, court official, etc. Thousands of people were involved along the way in numerous allegations, they all worked in perfect sync across liberal and conservative constituencies, and managed to completely cover it up.

You win.
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:


Circular?

Ok, where was I using the thing I was trying to prove as proof that it is true? Use the quote button, use my own words, exactly what they mean, and hit me in the face with them.

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"Called out that proof doesn't exist"

Nice of you to repetitively ignore where I said the courts (wrongfully ) refused to allow people to (legally) get discovery.

In simple explicit terms so you can't avoid it: we can't get the proof of that type because bad actors refused to allow it to be gotten.

What we DO have is more than enough markers that scream "THIS NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED" and I even listed a tiny few of them in the thread.

I believe you know the courts didn't allow the cases to happen, meaning you probably know that nobody could cite evidence that normally only shows up in court cases.

You're asking for something you KNOW cannot be reasonably given and you know it's safe for you to do it.

You *might* be unaware of the abusive bullcrap the courts pulled to refuse the cases, but than, I've been telling everyone that's reading my posts in this thread over and over again that it happened that way. AFAIK nobody has even told me I'm wrong about that, yall just aren't touching it.

When I do post all the markers that indicate fraud and the like may have happened and we'd better bloody well look at it, people crap their diapers and whine and say it's too hard of an ask, too much to read, too much to watch, too much to listen to.

Than we go off to other threads and  whinge about how the election system is busted.

I give up. Bad actors all along the way only fudged things in favor of the Democrats. Every single judge, court official, etc. Thousands of people were involved along the way in numerous allegations, they all worked in perfect sync across liberal and conservative constituencies, and managed to completely cover it up.

You win.

You even find a way to give up that's screwed up and doesn't represent what I posted.

You're talented.

No, this is where you go find one instance, cherry pick your best, and say "but look at this case and why the court wouldn't let them have a case."

Since when did we all get so weak?

Have some fire in your belly.

Want to prove me wrong by using my own words to do it and than try to do it. What's the worst that happens? You waste some time?

Yes, fellow thinkers act like fellow thinkers.

The amount of action you see that is alike and not organized from the top seems to generally depend on people thinking and feeling alike.

How many democrats in heavy D districts in swing states hated trump with an absolute burning fire and wanted him to lose, no matter what?

That's how many people you'd get all trying to have exactly that happen. AND we have all sorts of evidence that exactly that did, it's bursting out at the seams and everywhere.

For pete's sake, time magazine even BRAGGED about it.

eta: get off the mat rocky. If I'm really saying and doing what you think I am, I deserve it. <---- I don't mean this sarcastically in the slightest bit. If you're right, rehtorically knock my teeth out with the truth.
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You even find a way to give up that's screwed up and doesn't represent what I posted.

You're talented.

No, this is where you go find one instance, cherry pick your best, and say "but look at this case and why the court wouldn't let them have a case."

Since when did we all get so weak?

Have some fire in your belly.

Want to prove me wrong by using my own words to do it and than try to do it. What's the worst that happens? You waste some time?

Yes, fellow thinkers act like fellow thinkers.

The amount of action you see that is alike and not organized from the top seems to generally depend on people thinking and feeling alike.

How many democrats in heavy D districts in swing states hated trump with an absolute burning fire and wanted him to lose, no matter what?

That's how many people you'd get all trying to have exactly that happen. AND we have all sorts of evidence that exactly that did, it's bursting out at the seams and everywhere.

For pete's sake, time magazine even BRAGGED about it.

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Mark Twain was correct.  It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
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Originally Posted By MikeJGA:

Mark Twain was correct.  It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
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Originally Posted By MikeJGA:
Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

You even find a way to give up that's screwed up and doesn't represent what I posted.

You're talented.

No, this is where you go find one instance, cherry pick your best, and say "but look at this case and why the court wouldn't let them have a case."

Since when did we all get so weak?

Have some fire in your belly.

Want to prove me wrong by using my own words to do it and than try to do it. What's the worst that happens? You waste some time?

Yes, fellow thinkers act like fellow thinkers.

The amount of action you see that is alike and not organized from the top seems to generally depend on people thinking and feeling alike.

How many democrats in heavy D districts in swing states hated trump with an absolute burning fire and wanted him to lose, no matter what?

That's how many people you'd get all trying to have exactly that happen. AND we have all sorts of evidence that exactly that did, it's bursting out at the seams and everywhere.

For pete's sake, time magazine even BRAGGED about it.

eta: get off the mat rocky. If I'm really saying and doing what you think I am, I deserve it. <---- I don't mean this sarcastically in the slightest bit. If you're right, rehtorically knock my teeth out with the truth.

Mark Twain was correct.  It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Here's the silver lining:

After you roll that boulder up the hill just a little bit you find out the stupid pedestrian everyday tactics that people pulled ... and they are not giant untouchable things, stuff that can't be meaningfully fought.

If we wanted to, we could get in there and make that stuff miserably hard for them to do.

It is NOT hopeless.

But you have to suffer to learn what they did to know it.

This stuff can be pushed back on the most local of local levels and from every direction.

ETA: and if I'm just a delusional hack and I didn't see what I saw?

Ok. so you made the election process more honest.
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