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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:40:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Our long range stuff would put MAJOR hurt on China but the problem is we'd run out of it in 4 to 6 weeks time 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:55:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JRBL1A1: For all you panty wastes crying about defending Taiwan from China, I get it. The "big bad bankers" are funding another war for profit, etc. But... we had better figure out how to get all of our CPU needs elsewhere then. Either get Japan set up, or Europe, or ... **gasp** get it figured out here in the US. If people think Kuwait and oil was an issue... just wait until we can't build a new model friggin' smart phone thanks to no cpu chips.... So edgy… |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:03:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: China doesn't need to invade, they just need to wait. All this talk of military action, or going to war for Taiwan without any mention of what the population of Taiwan wants, and where they are heading politically, is just a symptom of bad diplomacy and selective reporting. China can afford to remove TSMC factories in Taiwan via exothermic reactions, TSMC can not afford to lose its Chinese customers. This is a very complex issue, but the Ukraine conflict has shown how retarded the Biden state department is and how they can fuck everything up. China has actually done a great job with culture shifting in Taiwan. Most of the younger generation are educated in Mandarin rather than Hokkien, and Chinese media in Taiwan has pushed the idea that Taiwan is China long enough that a lot of younger Taiwanese consider themselves Chinese. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:04:05 AM EDT
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It's laughable that people think if we go to war in China we'll be without chips for a while until several years later until manufacturing gets spun up here. You know what you need to build a chip plant? (or ANY manufacturing plant for that matter). CHIPS.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:07:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagoth-Ur: How many world wars and millions have to be fought and have to die before you people stop fighting and dying for bankers? apparently a lot since everyone still seems to be jacking off to going to war at every opportunity..... i mean if only a book was written about it..."War Is a Racket"....oh well never mind And we really should go die by the millions to save an island that we legally admit is part of China....you know, because Globohomo assholes like the Bush's gave them Our most Profitable industry back in the 70s, because "muh labour costs...." |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:09:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: Back in the real world, fights may come to you whether you want them or not. We have assets on Guam that are likely to be targeted immediately by China if they invade Taiwan. Is it your opinion we should withdraw all assets from the Pacific preemptively so we can be sure our assets won't be struck? they'd strike Guam immediately based on what? the predictions of our planners who have been perennial losers since WW2? give me ONE, just ONE prediction they got correct and maybe i'd believe them.... |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:14:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Stones throw from Taiwan https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3548692/austin-says-us-committed-to-defending-japan-including-senkaku-islands/ not really a "stones throw", not even the same scenario, Japan is a real country with a real military, Taiwan pretends its the legitimate government of CHINA LOL....just because we were dumbe enough to give away our semi-conductor industry to Taiwan doesn't mean we hve to go die by the miillions for some assholes who have bunkers and want us to eat bugs Taiwan had 80 years to install a strong 2nd AMendment, they didn't, they can fuck off and fight their own wars... I don't care about taiwan, china or japan...i care about America! Rest of the world can fuck off |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:14:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomad07: they'd strike Guam immediately based on what? the predictions of our planners who have been perennial losers since WW2? give me ONE, just ONE prediction they got correct and maybe i'd believe them.... I don't know that China will strike Guam. I do think it's a possibility. I think China would prefer Taiwan to voluntarily capitulate, but that doesn't seem likely anytime in the next decade. Xi is getting older, if he wants to have reunification as part of his legacy he will have to take actions to force it. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:15:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog1911: I need to have an idea of how large an impact to not only the US, but to the world, a sudden stoppage of all of the integrated circuits, and other systems, would be. ya...almost like pissing away our industry to taiwan back in the 70s was a bad idea...we should compound it by going to war on the other side of the world....should fix shit really good |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:17:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: We should be ramping production of munitions right now. Overall we are not. Look at the line by line breakdowns for FY 24 and 25 along with previous 2022 and 2023. There are some exceptions but imo not to the degree required to give anyone the warm and fuzzies. It’s all baby steps, day late dollar short Tons of delays, cost overruns, etc. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:22:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomad07: they'd strike Guam immediately based on what? the predictions of our planners who have been perennial losers since WW2? give me ONE, just ONE prediction they got correct and maybe i'd believe them.... ? North Korea obtaining nukes which GD mocked for a decade then that North Korea would obtain ICBMs which GD mocked for a decade. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:23:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomad07: not really a "stones throw", not even the same scenario, Japan is a real country with a real military, Taiwan pretends its the legitimate government of CHINA LOL....just because we were dumbe enough to give away our semi-conductor industry to Taiwan doesn't mean we hve to go die by the miillions for some assholes who have bunkers and want us to eat bugs Taiwan had 80 years to install a strong 2nd AMendment, they didn't, they can fuck off and fight their own wars... I don't care about taiwan, china or japan...i care about America! Rest of the world can fuck off You do you |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:37:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost: Should we preemptively move all US forces out of the Pacific and let China know they are free to take Taiwan and it will not be contested by the US? Originally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Isolationism won’t work in the long run. It will only make it worse. I don’t think we have a real choice if China makes that move if they don’t strike US assets in the initial phase of an operation. They strike Taiwan and US ? It’s on. 2025 to 2026 are going to be interesting years I'm not getting wound up about Taiwan. At least not to involve the military. I think any move on our territories or bases would get me there though. Same with the Ukraine. It's a local dispute. If Russia moves on a country with a us military base with intentions to take it then it's go time. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:44:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: I'm not getting wound up about Taiwan. At least not to involve the military. I think any move on our territories or bases would get me there though. Same with the Ukraine. It's a local dispute. If Russia moves on a country with a us military base with intentions to take it then it's go time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By jaqufrost: Should we preemptively move all US forces out of the Pacific and let China know they are free to take Taiwan and it will not be contested by the US? Originally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Isolationism won’t work in the long run. It will only make it worse. I don’t think we have a real choice if China makes that move if they don’t strike US assets in the initial phase of an operation. They strike Taiwan and US ? It’s on. 2025 to 2026 are going to be interesting years I'm not getting wound up about Taiwan. At least not to involve the military. I think any move on our territories or bases would get me there though. Same with the Ukraine. It's a local dispute. If Russia moves on a country with a us military base with intentions to take it then it's go time. What you’re saying is that you haven’t the smallest clue how strategically important Taiwan is to US interests… |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:50:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomad07: not really a "stones throw", not even the same scenario, Japan is a real country with a real military, Taiwan pretends its the legitimate government of CHINA LOL....just because we were dumbe enough to give away our semi-conductor industry to Taiwan doesn't mean we hve to go die by the miillions for some assholes who have bunkers and want us to eat bugs Taiwan had 80 years to install a strong 2nd AMendment, they didn't, they can fuck off and fight their own wars... I don't care about taiwan, china or japan...i care about America! Rest of the world can fuck off In aircraft and ship travel 100 miles is a stones throw. That’s not even a 2 hour drive on I-5 or I-95  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:51:53 PM EDT
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I'd be OK going to war to defend Japan/Korea/Tiawan, as they actually mean something. I think China going after Tiawan would kick off N Korea going after S. Korea and Japan would wind up getting sucked into it. At that point, we are all in on that fight.
In other news, Ukraine is Europe's problem, Iran is Israel & Saudi's problem. They should handle their business, and we should stay out of it. -ZA |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:56:18 PM EDT
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No.
We should destroy TWSC though if China is about to seize Taiwan. TWSC cannot fall into the hands of China and we should be prepared to evacuate all key personnel from TWSC to the USA that wish to do so. If possible and such an invasion is impending we should get as much of the tooling from TWSC as possible and destroy the rest. TWSC is the company that makes the majority of high end semiconductors and we cannot allow China to somehow take that facility in one piece and all its key personnel. Otherwise, it is best not to get into a direct engagement with China that would disrupt international commerce in the Pacific to any greater degree. We simply are not in a position to do so and as hard a pill as that is to swallow for the chest thumpers here it's the God's honest truth. If you want to go around kicking the #$%* out of every guy that looks at your crossways than you'd need to put some time in at the gym and in the dojo or boxing ring. If you had that attitude and spent all your free time eating Bacon Burgers, drinking beer, and being a disgusting fat body with soft hands you'd learn some hard lessons pretty quickly about your actual limits. Well, the USA hasn't put in the work necessary to go starting fights and we've let ourselves go to such a significant degree now with our dependence on foreign trade and weakened society that if we keep running to every fire for a fight we're going to learn some hard lessons pretty quickly about our actual limits. If you are a conservative "hawk" and want the USA dropping bombs everywhere than you better do something about the piss poor state of our nation. The USA is basically "Fat Thor" we can get strong again, but we got a lot of work to do first and we're not going to be able to do that in time to have an impact on a war with China if we wait until one starts to get our act together. You can see with Ukraine right now how hard it is to get your act together if you wait until an actual war starts, the prep time has to be done during peace time. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:58:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: In aircraft and ship travel 100 miles is a stones throw. That’s not even a 2 hour drive on I-5 or I-95 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_1889_jpeg-3170910.JPG I’ll admit I didn’t read the whole thread. How many other island chains beyond Senkaku does China claim to own? If they have Taiwan then a few smaller island chains will be their’s in short order. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:08:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagoth-Ur: How many world wars and millions have to be fought and have to die before you people stop fighting and dying for bankers? Or he may have grown more powerful with more land and resources, and came for us next. At some point we have to knock down the bully or the bully will keep bullying. Russia will take this country, then that country, then the next country. At some point we have to stand up because this is a long game. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:10:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:12:04 PM EDT
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This is above my pay grade so I will not speculate. If nukes are involved then no f---ing way.
We need to be building the f--- out of some semiconductor fabs here in the states though... |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:12:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: What you’re saying is that you haven’t the smallest clue how strategically important Taiwan is to US interests… Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By jaqufrost: Should we preemptively move all US forces out of the Pacific and let China know they are free to take Taiwan and it will not be contested by the US? Originally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Isolationism won’t work in the long run. It will only make it worse. I don’t think we have a real choice if China makes that move if they don’t strike US assets in the initial phase of an operation. They strike Taiwan and US ? It’s on. 2025 to 2026 are going to be interesting years I'm not getting wound up about Taiwan. At least not to involve the military. I think any move on our territories or bases would get me there though. Same with the Ukraine. It's a local dispute. If Russia moves on a country with a us military base with intentions to take it then it's go time. What you’re saying is that you haven’t the smallest clue how strategically important Taiwan is to US interests… Everything could be strategically important. I think it would probably be cheaper to set up chip manufacturing in the US than to go to war with chiba over it. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:13:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: I’ll admit I didn’t read the whole thread. How many other island chains beyond Senkaku does China claim to own? If they have Taiwan then a few smaller island chains will be their’s in short order. Korea China and Japan also all contest a rock that fit some reason works them all up into such a tizzy they do weird shit that hits news headlines overseas sometimes. Japan is still currently bitching at Russia over northern islands disputes These places are so close that it’s a tinderbox which some fervent jackass could spark at any moment |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:15:28 PM EDT
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Everyone saying build microchips in USA please watch Chris Miller FREE YouTube video “Chip wars” or at least read news on USA fab status in U.S. news every month
There’s a huge disconnect on what you all assume and what is the case |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:15:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Chadnutz]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomad07: apparently a lot since everyone still seems to be jacking off to going to war at every opportunity..... i mean if only a book was written about it..."War Is a Racket"....oh well never mind And we really should go die by the millions to save an island that we legally admit is part of China....you know, because Globohomo assholes like the Bush's gave them Our most Profitable industry back in the 70s, because "muh labour costs...." It is Russia, China, Iran, and NK jacking off about going to war. If these countries behaved like normal countries, we would NEVER talk about going to war. So just remember, somewhere, some country has a plan to kill you. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:16:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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90 minute video you can listen to while doing laundry or making dinner or driving and update yourself on microchips for the USA
 Professor Chris Miller - “Chip War: The Fight for the World's Most Critical Technology” |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:17:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: War or no war China attempting a military take over of Taiwan results in global depression not recession, depression as in 1930s style America not Obama 2009-2016 A Great Depression, 7 to 10 trillion economic loss and trade with Japan and South Korea lost for the rest of the century https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-01-09/economy-risks-latest-taiwan-war-would-cost-world-10-trillion https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_1678_jpeg-3170201.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By Birddog1911: I need to have an idea of how large an impact to not only the US, but to the world, a sudden stoppage of all of the integrated circuits, and other systems, would be. War or no war China attempting a military take over of Taiwan results in global depression not recession, depression as in 1930s style America not Obama 2009-2016 A Great Depression, 7 to 10 trillion economic loss and trade with Japan and South Korea lost for the rest of the century https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-01-09/economy-risks-latest-taiwan-war-would-cost-world-10-trillion https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_1678_jpeg-3170201.JPG It's sad how so few people understand that military conflict would be preferable to a situation like that. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:17:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KaerMorhenResident]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Korea China and Japan also all contest a rock that fit some reason works them all up into such a tizzy they do weird shit that hits news headlines overseas sometimes. Japan is still currently bitching at Russia over northern islands disputes These places are so close that it’s a tinderbox which some fervent jackass could spark at any moment Well, and that is the wild card. Xi, has consolidated power and he's been in power for a very long time which has a tendency to make human beings weird and detached from reality. Xi coudl wake up on the wrong side of the bed one day and the whole world will go up in flames. Too much chest thumping, too much military build up by all sides, and we could end up in WW3 over two fishermen from different nations having a water fight. There are fewer and fewer adults in charge around the world. We're all living at the mercy of some very unimpressive and increasingly weird folks |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:19:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chadnutz: It isn't us jacking off about going to war. It is Russia, China, Iran, and NK jacking off about going to war. If this countries behaved like normal countries, we would NEVER talk about going to war. So just remember, somewhere, some country has a plan to kill you. When someone paints a narrative that mirrors Chinese state news by using their parameters and word choices, I’m pretty sure it ain’t Joe voter on main street USA Im dealing with online. It’s the internet, people from bunga bunga can log on and interact with people from Xanadu |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:22:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion10182011: This is above my pay grade so I will not speculate. If nukes are involved then no f---ing way. We need to be building the f--- out of some semiconductor fabs here in the states though... If I had to point to one positive thing that was passed under Biden, then it would be the CHIPS Act. I'm sure there's greed and incompetence in the execution of the bill, but we need to pull in chip plant manufacturing. It won't be fast enough, more than likely. Building chip plants are some of the hardest, most expensive, and time consuming projects there is. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:22:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Birddog1911: It's sad how so few people understand that military conflict would be preferable to a situation like that. It’s an absolute shitty situation in which millions may suffer over PRIDE It’s the geopolitical equivalent of some inner city black kid shooting another kid for stepping on his air Jordan’s accidentally or “disrespecting him” The Chinese are still holding onto that hurt from the 19th century instead of letting the past stay in the past |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:25:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Everything could be strategically important. I think it would probably be cheaper to set up chip manufacturing in the US than to go to war with chiba over it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By jaqufrost: Should we preemptively move all US forces out of the Pacific and let China know they are free to take Taiwan and it will not be contested by the US? Originally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Isolationism won’t work in the long run. It will only make it worse. I don’t think we have a real choice if China makes that move if they don’t strike US assets in the initial phase of an operation. They strike Taiwan and US ? It’s on. 2025 to 2026 are going to be interesting years I'm not getting wound up about Taiwan. At least not to involve the military. I think any move on our territories or bases would get me there though. Same with the Ukraine. It's a local dispute. If Russia moves on a country with a us military base with intentions to take it then it's go time. What you’re saying is that you haven’t the smallest clue how strategically important Taiwan is to US interests… Everything could be strategically important. I think it would probably be cheaper to set up chip manufacturing in the US than to go to war with chiba over it. We are building plants, but if war happens within the next 10 years, then we won't have them operational fast enough. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:28:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Well, and that is the wild card. Xi, has consolidated power and he's been in power for a very long time which has a tendency to make human beings weird and detached from reality. Xi coudl wake up on the wrong side of the bed one day and the whole world will go up in flames. Too much chest thumping, too much military build up by all sides, and we could end up in WW3 over two fishermen from different nations having a water fight. There are fewer and fewer adults in charge around the world. We're all living at the mercy of some very unimpressive and increasingly weird folks Exactly |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:31:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite: If I had to point to one positive thing that was passed under Biden, then it would be the CHIPS Act. I'm sure there's greed and incompetence in the execution of the bill, but we need to pull in chip plant manufacturing. It won't be fast enough, more than likely. Building chip plants are some of the hardest, most expensive, and time consuming projects there is. Already delays for every company and that’s not factoring the DEI shit. The timeline to reverse 30 years of losing what was already not a very huge market share for USA microchips way back in the 1990s is daunting and complicated. Let alone ever matching South Korea & Taiwan today. They’ve had 30+ years to get where they got |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:34:27 PM EDT
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Biden leap frogging off Trump microchip policies trying to take a victory lap for the election while victory is not even in eyesight of 2024
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/19/technology/semiconductor-chip-factories-delays.html  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:44:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Korea China and Japan also all contest a rock that fit some reason works them all up into such a tizzy they do weird shit that hits news headlines overseas sometimes. Japan is still currently bitching at Russia over northern islands disputes These places are so close that it’s a tinderbox which some fervent jackass could spark at any moment Kind of what I remembered. Even if the island doesn’t have mineral reserves or strategic importance “saving face” is a big issue. They literally may be willing to go to war over a worthless rock |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 2:01:58 PM EDT
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I hate to be cynical, but I was never confident that the CHIPS Act was anything more than a money laundering operation to pay off corporate political donors in the tech / chip industry.
I drive by a plant with several fabs that used to manufacture DRAM, but they moved operations overseas. The fabs sit idle. Why aren’t they being brought back online? Then I hear Biden’s DEI requirements are making the beneficiaries of the legislation reconsider following through with domestic production. Surprise! Where did the infrastructure for Intel, AMD, TI, Micron and others go? Why can the existing fabs not be equipped with new tooling for renewed production? I used to talk to the regional VP for AP Jeff Fletcher at FAB 3 where I worked. Does Applied Materials not exist anymore? I met him the first time as an A-6 pilot giving CAS training at Ft Sill but lost contact with him. The workforce was probably 95% worker bees and 5% engineers, so surely it’s not like finding educated engineers to do the grunt work in wet tech, dry tech, production control, etc. is holding up production. Something doesn’t add up. What’s going on? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 2:40:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: At a bare minimum 87% of GD would not be involved in any fighting against China. Honestly more like 99.9% 100% of the politicians that will be sending our kids off to die won't be involved either. So what's your point? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 2:41:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By staringback05: Is it strategically important in terms of chips? Or can we produce substantial quantities on our own? That's the answer We can't. Though we are building fabs as a contingency. Probably too f---ing late though. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 2:44:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: killstick_engaged]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: We should be ramping production of munitions right now. Lol. It's too late. Sitting fedgov is not serious about any conflicts they can't launder money through. Arming and supplying Taiwan would put naval assets at risk as well. The will simply isn't there. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 2:59:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Our long range stuff would put MAJOR hurt on China but the problem is we’d run out of it in 4 to 6 weeks time Long range anti ship misses are in very short supply. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:02:59 PM EDT
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If they strike US assets retaliation is in order, that can't go unchecked.
Going to war with/for Taiwan is a lot more complex than that. How bad does Taiwan want to be independent, how hard will they fight and how much have they invested in their ability to defend themselves. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:07:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: So we agreeing upon a wager? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By Vikingsouthpaw: They will be 2nm and build in Phenoix, AZ and Columbus, Ohio. So we agreeing upon a wager? Unfair trade. A lame, unproven 2023 account for a content MVP? |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:21:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fullautoguy: Chinese Christians are only slightly higher up the oppression ladder than the Uyghurs and are in far less numbers so they won’t be doing anything close to revolution other than the dying part. The Chinese military is massive and is primarily for internal use and unless large parts of that military decides that they have had enough of the CCP nothing is going to change other than the faces in the party. The one and only silver lining about relationship that the US and China is that if we went to war it would do a hell of a lot more damage to them economically and socially to them than us. We could limp along for a while and yes it would suck but eventually chip fabs would come back and be on us soil and we could produce our own rubber dog shit locally or at least have it produced in places like Mexico that currently have no ability militarily to cause us issues and pretty much never will. I understand that we pretty much set all of this in motion years ago with Nixon getting buddy buddy with the ccp and opening up much larger trade with them, but the part I have never understood other than people being greedy is why we ever let chip manufacturers to off shore production of critical national assets to a nation that its neighbor had an axe to grind with them and constantly threatens to invade. IMO, the bold is not true anymore. The key is Europe. If Europe joins the US in sanctions & embargoes on China, China loses. If Europe does not, US loses. It's that simple, and the loss would be more profound that most of GD can grasp. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:29:43 PM EDT
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Dammit! Got mixed up between threads with similar titles.
Merger? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:36:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Unfair trade. A lame, unproven 2023 account for a content MVP? True but having fun implying that distinction. The subtle pro China talking points in posts and eventually blatant pro China posts will only increase the closer we get to actual war. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:40:12 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nicodemus7: If they strike US assets retaliation is in order, that can't go unchecked. Going to war with/for Taiwan is a lot more complex than that. How bad does Taiwan want to be independent, how hard will they fight and how much have they invested in their ability to defend themselves. Hard to defend yourself with weapons you paid for when Trump was President still not delivered  US$19 Billion in U.S. Weapons to Taiwan Still Delayed | TaiwanPlus News |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 4:02:28 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Already delays for every company and that’s not factoring the DEI shit. The timeline to reverse 30 years of losing what was already not a very huge market share for USA microchips way back in the 1990s is daunting and complicated. Let alone ever matching South Korea & Taiwan today. They’ve had 30+ years to get where they got Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By whollyshite: If I had to point to one positive thing that was passed under Biden, then it would be the CHIPS Act. I'm sure there's greed and incompetence in the execution of the bill, but we need to pull in chip plant manufacturing. It won't be fast enough, more than likely. Building chip plants are some of the hardest, most expensive, and time consuming projects there is. Already delays for every company and that’s not factoring the DEI shit. The timeline to reverse 30 years of losing what was already not a very huge market share for USA microchips way back in the 1990s is daunting and complicated. Let alone ever matching South Korea & Taiwan today. They’ve had 30+ years to get where they got I can't deny that... |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 4:06:21 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Everything could be strategically important. I think it would probably be cheaper to set up chip manufacturing in the US than to go to war with chiba over it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By jaqufrost: Should we preemptively move all US forces out of the Pacific and let China know they are free to take Taiwan and it will not be contested by the US? Originally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Isolationism won’t work in the long run. It will only make it worse. I don’t think we have a real choice if China makes that move if they don’t strike US assets in the initial phase of an operation. They strike Taiwan and US ? It’s on. 2025 to 2026 are going to be interesting years I'm not getting wound up about Taiwan. At least not to involve the military. I think any move on our territories or bases would get me there though. Same with the Ukraine. It's a local dispute. If Russia moves on a country with a us military base with intentions to take it then it's go time. What you’re saying is that you haven’t the smallest clue how strategically important Taiwan is to US interests… Everything could be strategically important. I think it would probably be cheaper to set up chip manufacturing in the US than to go to war with chiba over it. You’re totally not paying attention to this thread, and once again have no clue what you’re talking about. You should catch up before posting. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 4:12:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: True but having fun implying that distinction. The subtle pro China talking points in posts and eventually blatant pro China posts will only increase the closer we get to actual war. So just like the cadre of Putinbros, we're going to see more Xibros getting more pushy. Great. 
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