Originally Posted By JarheadPatriot:
Oh, I understand. I'm just saying, we're
coming up on the 19th anniversary of that debacle, and it's the first I'm reading anything like that.

Originally Posted By S-1:


Brent Tucker is a Delta guy. He spends his time talking about NSW's dirty laundry and getting clicks. Maybe he should talk about his own units wrong doings as there is plenty.

An active or very recently retired A Squadron guy didn't have good things to say about Brent. Pretty interesting.

Originally Posted By RandyLahey01:


Understood, thanks for clarifying. This is the first time I’ve heard it too. The axleson situation was never really clearly spoken of. It’s a sad situation and I hope the families find peace and love.

Originally Posted By Rebel31:

They were a SDV team that didn't have a lot of land warfare experience. This mission was shopped around and this SEAL team took it.

They didn't have the right equipment and the mission was poorly planned. Prior to 9/11 the SDV teams were where you didn't want to go as a new SEAL.

The whole thing about being attacked by dozens to hundreds of fighters is pure embellishment. Well respected authors and war writers have gone over loads of evidence and put the number of enemy fighters at 15 at most.

Originally Posted By Usernames:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dquy8wR6JkU


I remember thinking it made no sense while reading the book when it first came out.

You have to hold some impromptu vote rather than having an sop?

Amongst other things.

Then the video by the ambushers came out.


The story just didn't pass the smell test.

Originally Posted By Josh:
Lone Survivor is a work of fiction.

A great deal of what's being bandied about as "new information" in this thread is also fiction.

Originally Posted By Charlie556:
I wanted to post something in this thread but I didn’t want to be disrespectful to the people who have way more insight into this than me or sound callous about the subject or the person involved. I’ve never been there or done that but I have a couple of questions.

Why was it important that the survivor was found having loaded mags in his carrier’s? Did he claim to be out of ammunition at some point and that it affected his actions or decisions?

It’s said now that he was running away at some point. Was this during a fight or after or what?

I’ve never read the book or seen the movie I’m just going on different things I’ve seen and read over the years.

Thanks for any answers I get.

RIP to those men. I think they deserved better than they got from the people who were supposed to be supporting them.

Originally Posted By PabloMcGlock:



Because if true it means his entire team died in a firefight and he never fired a round.

Originally Posted By SuperHeavy:



Marine mission for a relatively low priority target.

Marines don't have the proper equipment or training to fly there during that time of the month do to low/no light

Find out 160th will/can do it, but 160th is SOF and mainly worked with SEALs at the time, so SEALS were chosen for the RECCE mission

When they get found by shephards, SOP was to call in and ask,  they can't get in contact. So they cut loose immediately.

Come under fire, cannot get in contact, they've made all their radio checks, so word on the street is the TOC got lax and were outside playing and not constantly watching.

Murphy has to call Virginia with sat phone so they could call the TOC. Finally word gets to their help.

USMC already had QRF planned/ready, but SF wanted to keep internal. Shithooks loaded up and at last second  1st tier SEALS get pulled off the chopper because supposedly command knew of the SA7 threat but didn't tell anyone and pulled their guys so they didn't die.

Chinook is hit right in the engine, typical of a SA7 not an inaccurate RPG.

Other bird sees "swirling object" hit it. AKA a missed under guidance making corrections.

Second bird was ready to offload help but get ordered back.

During recovery of the downed bird get a signal from Marcus, guys stripped down and haul ass down there to find the village. When they get there they bring Marcus out.

Marcus is found to be unhelpful and basically told them all his teammates are dead, and couldn't really tell them where exactly to find them. Marcus walked himself to the helicopter.

Marcus telling him they're all dead put a hault to finding them ASAP so the recovery was slow rolled... they didn't want to risk more lives.

8-10 days later when SEALS from Germany arrive (again USMC still not asked for help) they FINALLY share the Rally Point position with the recovery teams.

Find Axelson leaned up to a tree no too far away and he was supposedly only dead for 2 days when they found him.

I missed the part where he kept repeating Marcus said on live air during a CNN interview in the early days, when Murphy called out for help he dropped his rifle, covered his ears and ran.

Supposedly there is Predator video of him running away



I probably missed some, typed on a phone, so probably lots of errors

Originally Posted By feudist:

The podcast interviewer fully endorses an investigative reporter that did the expose on ST6 "Code Over Country." in another podcast where he goes after Rob O'Neil with everything but the kitchen sink.
The podcast twat wearing sunglasses literally creams at all the conspiracy theories.

Originally Posted By feetpiece:That's the other thing, I've never met a retired SEAL who who shit on one of their own outside of their community. Deming naming the SEAL Commander responsible for Roberts Ridge and Lone Survivor while t-bagging Jocko and Chris Kyle was eye opening.

Originally Posted By feetpiece:


IMO the murder of SSG Logan Melgar motivated a lot of dudes to speak out and this is just the beginning.

Click To View Spoiler

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/11/16/us/politics/16dc-commando-print/merlin_130069019_6f345eb7-1aad-404a-a6d9-e3ebdd979bbe-superJumbo.jpg

Originally Posted By RealityCheck0311:
Or how the Afghan guy that helped was treated later, I'm sure there is two sides to that story.

Originally Posted By AzzFaceKillah:



That's one thing. John Chapman was a dude. Probably killed 15 or 16 Checnens or Uzbeks.

Originally Posted By FivespeedF150:
Based on that alone I’m not inclined to take the dude at face value barring corroboration.

Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:

Glad I'm not the only one - could that dude look like more of a colossal douche canoe?

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269084/Screenshot_20240327_073849_YouTube_jpg-3170709.JPG

Originally Posted By Usernames:
Jessica lynch rescue
Pat Tillman
Robert's ridge and John Chapman
Redwings

Some big time propaganda and cover up shit.

Originally Posted By feetpiece:


Click To View Spoiler



I was 2-15FA and there were more than a few 2-14 dudes playing OPFOR for us during Mountain Peak 97 and they did not fuck around. Suppression of there side of BHD to glorify Gothic Serpent is no different than NSW giving 2/3 the finger twelve years later:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qec1xfi-eA



That's the other thing, I've never met a retired SEAL who who shit on one of their own outside of their community. Deming naming the SEAL Commander responsible for Roberts Ridge and Lone Survivor while t-bagging Jocko and Chris Kyle was eye opening.

Originally Posted By S-1:


Again... NSW generates "clicks" as they are the popular thing right now. There is a LOT of shit that has happened with SF and Delta guys too. Drug trafficking, drug use, rape, sex trafficking, murders, dui's severely injuring kids etc etc.

Speaking of Tier 1 guys killing Green Berets. Go down the rabbit hole of William Lavigne and that cover up by the unit.

Originally Posted By MFP_4073:



not even if he tried

guys like that -- to me -- come off as the Uncle Rico of veterans.  Glory days back when I could throw a pigskin a quarter mile.  Get over it.

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:



is it a bigger issue that people are beating up on the Navy or that no one from the Navy has decided to start doing the same towards the Army?

Originally Posted By R0N:



There is something wrong with the SEAL culture, I worked with some awesome ones but you do run into many of the younger ones that take the position if you don’t have a trident, you are worthless.

Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR:



is it a bigger issue that people are beating up on the Navy or that no one from the Navy has decided to start doing the same towards the Army?

Originally Posted By DvlDog:


NO. The mission was NOT shopped around. It was a USMC mission handed to a scout/sniper team but they needed rotary wing that could function in high density altitude. The SEAL det commander owned the chinooks. The Navy commander refused the support request to allow the chinooks under his command to insert the scout/snipers and told the Marine officer to hand over the mission or it wouldn’t get done at all.

I was there for the planning of the Marine mission and in the Fusion Cell and TOC as this was going down. Everytime this story gets told theres more bad guys. They got fucked up by 8-12 guys

Originally Posted By feetpiece:


I doubt anyone with direct access could comment here without fear of retribution.

Originally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver:


Marcus helped the afghan come over, but then cut contact when he wouldn't go along with marcus' retelling of events

The afghan said the seals were ambushed by a small group of about 7 guys. The afghani said the insurgents heard the helicopters and immediately knew there were troops above the town. The seals didn't see it coming and the fight itself only lasted a couple minutes, with most seals getting hit within the first 30 seconds. There were no insurgent bodies seen while recovering the seals, implying none of them were killed. Which was also what the afghan said.

The sheep farmer was actually just an insurgent scouting them to verify their location.

The families of the seals who died were aware of this and asked marcus to not make the movie. And he did anyways.

I think the military was trying to cover up their incompetence with a story of a hero.

The real hero who earned a movie was Chapman.

Originally Posted By Wineraner:


This gets better.  So, per your last paragraph, were you in or around the TOC when the team declared they'd been compromised, and needed to be extracted?  If so, were the radio calls from the team missed because those nets weren't being monitored?  And only were monitored, and the extraction request received, after receiving information from whoever was on the other end of the team's satellite phone call that the team was calling for help?

All of the above are supposedly claims made in this podcast.

Originally Posted By DvlDog:


I wasn’t really paying attention. It wasn’t some super hot mission that riveted us. I was there for other reasons. I had my own job to do and came and went a few times. Everyone knew they were going up there with shit comms. The Marine radio chief was so uneasy about it he sent CYA emails to his entire chain detailing the conversations with the team regarding what he wanted them to take versus what they wanted to take. The original Marine plan had the Scout/Snipers inserting much, much farther away with other Marines inserting into re-trans sites. They went up there with shit coms BY CHOICE because they were fucking stupid.

People began paying attention when it went sideways and all hell broke loose but even then I can remember not caring too much until the bird got hit. That was the “oh shit” moment that I remember


Edited to add:

Get some kids walkie-talkies.
Turn them on.
Give one to your wife
Get in your car and drive 10mi away.
Get frustrated that your wife doesn’t answer.
Drive home and accuse her of not monitoring the net

Originally Posted By Usernames:
Jessica lynch rescue
Pat Tillman
Robert's ridge and John Chapman
Redwings

Some big time propaganda and cover up shit.

Originally Posted By AzzFaceKillah:


Do you believe that?
It is possible, I'd like not to think that.
Have you ever killed anyone?

I'm only asking, cause I don't believe you have.

I on the other hand.

I ain't happy about it. Just a fact of the matter. I'd take it back if I could.

Originally Posted By DvlDog:


I wasn’t really paying attention. It wasn’t some super hot mission that riveted us. I was there for other reasons. I had my own job to do and came and went a few times. Everyone knew they were going up there with shit comms. The Marine radio chief was so uneasy about it he sent CYA emails to his entire chain detailing the conversations with the team regarding what he wanted them to take versus what they wanted to take. The original Marine plan had the Scout/Snipers inserting much, much farther away with other Marines inserting into re-trans sites. They went up there with shit coms BY CHOICE because they were fucking stupid.

People began paying attention when it went sideways and all hell broke loose but even then I can remember not caring too much until the bird got hit. That was the “oh shit” moment that I remember


Edited to add:

Get some kids walkie-talkies.
Turn them on.
Give one to your wife
Get in your car and drive 10mi away.
Get frustrated that your wife doesn’t answer.
Drive home and accuse her of not monitoring the net