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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:23:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By toby1: Impress me, start producing 7.62x25. A man of culture 😎 |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:30:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whiskerz: I am good on 7.62x39. I have less than 1k rnds left  Would be nice if its cheaper than average brass cased |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:32:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Your1Savior: x39 is currently 65 cpr.  Basic math says you're wrong. Also, this was from the last time I ordered 762x39, over 15 years ago https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77724/1000021106-3169562.jpg How does basic math know what I paid? I’ll agree it’s all relative. My point is, I doubt the PSA price point will be cheap enough that it isn’t worth reloading brass, like it was in the past. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:36:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Donut777donut: How does basic math know what I paid? I’ll agree it’s all relative.  My point is, I doubt the PSA price point will be cheap enough that it isn’t worth reloading brass, like it was in the past. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Donut777donut: Originally Posted By Your1Savior: x39 is currently 65 cpr.  Basic math says you're wrong. Also, this was from the last time I ordered 762x39, over 15 years ago https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77724/1000021106-3169562.jpg How does basic math know what I paid? I’ll agree it’s all relative.  My point is, I doubt the PSA price point will be cheap enough that it isn’t worth reloading brass, like it was in the past. You're deep into an argument you invented in your own mind that no one else is aware of. You seem miserable, I'll pray for you. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:38:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Your1Savior: You're deep into an argument you invented in your own mind that no one else is aware of.  You seem miserable, I'll pray for you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Your1Savior: Originally Posted By Donut777donut: Originally Posted By Your1Savior: x39 is currently 65 cpr.  Basic math says you're wrong. Also, this was from the last time I ordered 762x39, over 15 years ago https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77724/1000021106-3169562.jpg How does basic math know what I paid? I’ll agree it’s all relative.  My point is, I doubt the PSA price point will be cheap enough that it isn’t worth reloading brass, like it was in the past. You're deep into an argument you invented in your own mind that no one else is aware of.  You seem miserable, I'll pray for you. Wow… please don’t pray for me. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:41:07 PM EDT
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Make best AK ammo. 5.45….
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:43:28 PM EDT
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PSA steps up and does something no one thought was possible. People still bitch.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:45:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jm0502: PSA steps up and does something no one thought was possible. People still bitch. Who thought what was impossible? It all comes down to price. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:47:42 PM EDT
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It won’t be pre-COVID pricing for shitty combloc ammo, and that’s ok. I don’t really want shitty combloc ammo. PSA seems to be carving out a niche making actually good ammo at a reasonable price, that will cost more and that’s ok.
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:51:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FistPeso]
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I am thankful for all that cheap Tula ammo. Hope it comes back.
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:51:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jellyfrosh: How much cheaper is steel cased ammo over brass cased when made in the USA? I would gladly buy another AK and pay 0.10 more a round for brass cased instead of shitty steel case for LARPers. The only reason people ran steel cased was because it was cheap and this is a golden opportunity to make brass cheaper. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jellyfrosh: Originally Posted By mancat: I would assume getting the production set up is the first step and most people want cheaper steel cased 7.62x39. Once they are running production they can probably offer brass cases as well. The number one issue with 7.62x39 is inconsistent bullet weight and powder quantity due to crap QC. I assume PSA will do much better here. How much cheaper is steel cased ammo over brass cased when made in the USA? I would gladly buy another AK and pay 0.10 more a round for brass cased instead of shitty steel case for LARPers. The only reason people ran steel cased was because it was cheap and this is a golden opportunity to make brass cheaper. Aren’t AKs designed to cycle steel cased ammunition, not brass? |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:51:41 PM EDT
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I hope pricing is good. I haven't shot any of my AKs in years
I think I still have around 8k left of Golden Tiger & 1k of Sliver Bear left
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:52:42 PM EDT
[#13]
They have a vested interest is making reasonably priced, reliable 7.62x39.
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:57:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Donut777donut: $185/k was not when it was cheap. 185 a k is cheap. The 99$ a case is never coming back. Never. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:01:52 PM EDT
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One of the bigger arguments against brass cased ammo (x39 & 5.45), is that AK extractors are rough on brass.
Brass fired from AK’s does not have an easy life. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:02:47 PM EDT
[#16]
545 please!
And it won't be cheap. Probably same as their 556 rn |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:03:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: 185 a k is cheap. The 99$ a case is never coming back. Never. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By Donut777donut: $185/k was not when it was cheap. 185 a k is cheap. The 99$ a case is never coming back. Never. I agree, but $99 is still when it was cheap. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:04:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaxxII: One of the bigger arguments against brass cased ammo (x39 & 5.45), is that AK extractors are rough on brass. Brass fired from AK’s does not have an easy life. I didn't know that. Why is that? |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:08:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: I didn't know that. Why is that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Originally Posted By MaxxII: One of the bigger arguments against brass cased ammo (x39 & 5.45), is that AK extractors are rough on brass. Brass fired from AK’s does not have an easy life. I didn't know that. Why is that? You literally just quoted when he told you why. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:09:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Donut777donut: You literally just quoted when he told you why. He didn't say why the extractor is hard on the brass. What are you talking about? Did I miss something? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:10:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: I don’t know if I can trust psa made 7.62x39. I’m sitting on about 16 cans of Barnaul 840rd spam cans. I’d rather buy commercial spec stuff from Romania, Poland, Bulgaria, etc. Ok, sounds good. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:10:55 PM EDT
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People seem to forget that the USD has lost about a third of its buying power this decade.
The 15cpr new production rifle ammo is in the same place as the dollar menu double cheeseburgers and the $30k nicely optioned crew cab V8 half ton trucks: the past. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:11:35 PM EDT
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I miss cheap Tula and wolf.
We will see how this AAC stuff goes. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:12:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Donut777donut]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: He didn't say why the extractor is hard on the brass. What are you talking about? Did I miss something? I would infer that the design of the ak steel extractor exerts force on the softer brass case damaging the brass from what he said. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:12:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akguy1985: I have 11k of x39. Back when SG ammo kept warning us about Russian ammo sanctions I was buying a case a week before covid. The writing was on the wall then. I just moved 16K of x39 into a Conex getting ready for a remodel of my house. I’m actually embarrassed to say how much ammo I have moved in the last 5 days. It is well north of 200K rounds of various ammo, with another 100K of components. At the rate I shoot, I try to tell myself (and my wife) that I’m not actually a hoarder, just well-prepared. But I’m not really sure. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:13:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11boomboom]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Donut777donut: I would infer that the design of the ak steel extractor exerts force on the softer brass case damaging the brass from what he said. Â So physics. That doesn't tell me anything. I'm curious why the AK extractor does it when other firearms don't. If it's something that can be fixed or adjusted, that would be neat. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:15:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Donut777donut]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: That doesn't tell me anything. I'm curious why the AK extractor does it when other firearms don't. If it's something that can be fixed or adjusted, that would be neat. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Originally Posted By Donut777donut: I would infer that the design of the ak steel extractor exerts force on the softer brass case damaging the brass from what he said. That doesn't tell me anything. I'm curious why the AK extractor does it when other firearms don't. If it's something that can be fixed or adjusted, that would be neat. AKs are also over gassed. They beat up brass, it’s not the only design that does. KNS adjustable piston helps. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:17:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Donut777donut: AKs are also over gassed. They beat up brass, it’s not the only design that does.  Adjustable piston helps. I noticed that with my first AK, before I got rid of it. I almost got the KNS piston for it, but like I said, I sold it. I wanted to reload with it because it got pretty good accuracy, but it would beat up the brass. I figured it was just the bolt speed and how violently they were getting thrown out. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:23:43 PM EDT
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Deal only if they are $89 for 1000 crate of 7.62x39 russian ammo.
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:24:34 PM EDT
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After getting my suppressor I just got approved after a few days and shooting some of the brown bear subs I bought years ago for a form1 can I was gonna build before the atf shut down form 1ing. If I was psa my number 2 7.62x39 ammo I started producing would be exactly that 170-200grn subs. Shit would sell like hot cakes at .50 a shot.
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:34:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: I don't know if I can trust psa made 7.62x39. I'm sitting on about 16 cans of Barnaul 840rd spam cans. I'd rather buy commercial spec stuff from Romania, Poland, Bulgaria, etc. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:38:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Donut777donut: $185/k was not when it was cheap. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:52:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Donut777donut: I would infer that the design of the ak steel extractor exerts force on the softer brass case damaging the brass from what he said. Go check your AR. Extractor is also steel. Most folks are full of shit. AKs run brass case fine. Only "hard on brass" part is some of them launch the brass into the dust cover and dent the brass. Just size it, load it and shoot it again. I've been running the same brass cases through my ARs and AKs for a while. Brass is no worse off after AK use. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:55:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 300WinMagGuy: I wanna be excited but it will never be cheap, compared to what it was four or so years ago when my LGS had it for $185/k. Â I'd bet it will still be around .39-.45 cent a round. Especially if it's marked AAC. I hope I'm wrong. Exactly what I was thinking. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:58:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By d16man: They have 2 flavors of 7.62x39 on the website, listed out of stock. Â Usually it appears on the website a few weeks before it is for sale. The fact they have two flavors (typical 122 grain FMJ AND a "SABRE Blade Black Tip" which I hope is a decent expanding bullet that would be awesome. 7.62x39 is 'meh' in typical FMJ, but when you get a decent expanding bullet it greatly increases the usefulness of 7.62x39 for hunting and defense. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 12:03:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Silver bear Brown bear Golden bear Am I missing one? https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.YIh-TB7xykH1BSZlOavNxwHaE3&pid=Api&P=0&h=220 I have this patch up on my wall, ironically. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By 1BMF: Then they can knock off their own line and call it Silver Fox, making it rip off of Silver Bear. lol I just loved those little boxes they came in. Silver bear Brown bear Golden bear Am I missing one? https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.YIh-TB7xykH1BSZlOavNxwHaE3&pid=Api&P=0&h=220 I have this patch up on my wall, ironically. Did you forget Golden Tiger ?   
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 12:07:45 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless: Did you forget Golden Tiger ? Â https://cdn-secure.luckygunner.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/420x420/41d0c0a185e665f622943c2dede1b651/t/i/tiger-7.62-2_2.jpg https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/137B4/production/_95169797_acea979d-13a7-416a-b014-9bb52f0dd3c9.jpg 
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Posted: 3/26/2024 12:08:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: $79 spam cans was when it was cheap. I too remember that Chinese copperwashed steel case steel core 7.62x39 ammo on SKS Stripper clips of a case of 1,200 rounds. 
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Posted: 3/26/2024 12:13:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Donut777donut: Originally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless: Did you forget Golden Tiger ? Â https://cdn-secure.luckygunner.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/420x420/41d0c0a185e665f622943c2dede1b651/t/i/tiger-7.62-2_2.jpg https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/137B4/production/_95169797_acea979d-13a7-416a-b014-9bb52f0dd3c9.jpg https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/805/363/dc4.jpg   |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 12:17:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: 185 a k is cheap. The 99$ a case is never coming back. Never. $185 a case is never coming back. Never I bet this will be at least $399.99 plus shipping. on GB 1000rds of 7.62x39 goes for 450-500+ a case. even if they could sell it for less... WHY? |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 12:41:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By deanwormer: $185 a case is never coming back. Â Never I bet this will be at least $399.99 plus shipping. on GB 1000rds of 7.62x39 goes for 450-500+ a case. Â even if they could sell it for less... WHY? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By deanwormer: Originally Posted By fadedsun: 185 a k is cheap. The 99$ a case is never coming back. Never. $185 a case is never coming back. Â Never I bet this will be at least $399.99 plus shipping. on GB 1000rds of 7.62x39 goes for 450-500+ a case. Â even if they could sell it for less... WHY? One could argue to sell more PSA AKs. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 1:22:05 AM EDT
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Don't worry. I was assured by people in the firearm community that I was over reacting to Biden's presidency, and that we'd see cheap ammo prices again |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 1:50:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BlackTaco]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blue2golf: Norinco please. Scored this about 10 years back on the cheap. Along with 2 brand new in the box Norinco NHM91’s….I think about $300 ea.  Attached FileAnd a few crates of some other 762x39 that I forgot what it is.   Attached File |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 2:16:23 AM EDT
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Doubt it will be cheaper than the other offerings like Igman, ATS, Norma, and New Republic.
But at least supply is guaranteed now. There was a moment last year where 5.45 only had 3 listings on Ammoseek.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 2:24:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: fadedsun]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Donut777donut: I agree, but $99 is still when it was cheap. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Donut777donut: I agree, but $99 is still when it was cheap. I should have kept my AKs and SKS rifles and simply worked a little more. Originally Posted By FreefallRet: I think some of my AK ammo is older than my son. I remember when you were FreefallE6 then Freefalle7.  Originally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless: Did you forget Golden Tiger ? Â https://cdn-secure.luckygunner.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/420x420/41d0c0a185e665f622943c2dede1b651/t/i/tiger-7.62-2_2.jpg https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/137B4/production/_95169797_acea979d-13a7-416a-b014-9bb52f0dd3c9.jpg I was just limiting myself to the bear brand, but I knew of Golden Tiger. Was there a brown tiger/silver tiger line? |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 2:55:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: I should have kept my AKs and SKS rifles and simply worked a little more. I remember when you were FreefallE6 then Freefalle7. I was just limiting myself to the bear brand, but I knew of Golden Tiger. Was there a brown tiger/silver tiger line? No. GT was a completely different plant from anything the Bear line brought in. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 2:56:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackTaco: Scored this about 10 years back on the cheap. Along with 2 brand new in the box Norinco NHM91’s….I think about $300 ea. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/126656/IMG_3660_jpeg-3169674.JPG And a few crates of some other 762x39 that I forgot what it is. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/126656/IMG_3659_jpeg-3169675.JPGI remember the good old days of 1200 rounds of Chinese 7.62x39 ammo $79 a case out the door. The green one you got there I think that is Yugoslavian, I know there are 7.62x54 silver tip LPS came in the green crates. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 3:09:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By juan223: No. GT was a completely different plant from anything the Bear line brought in. Vympel, I believe. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 3:12:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Per Jamin, the initial steel case plans are 7.62x39, 7.62x54r, and 5.45x39 Why the hell are they doing steel cased though? Just do cheap brass cased, so we can reload it easily! I guess if they did steel with boxer primers it would be OK (not ideal, but can be reloaded with primers we can actually source) but why not just go with brass? Their steel won’t be cheap enough to compete with imports. I do factor in the cost of throwing away the expended casings, vs being able to reload it when I buy ammo… |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 3:13:10 AM EDT
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2005- 2007 the golden years. AK kits out the ass with barrels.
$80-100 OTD on 7.62x39 for a 1k case at the local gun show. Also remember buying that Czech silver tip 7.62x54 for $60 a crate the same time. Sucks I was only making $10-14/hour just out of school for that timeframe |
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