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Posted: 3/24/2024 10:50:04 PM EDT
[#1]
Niche revolver caliber.
Most handgun owners are self defense oriented rather than hunting. Most people are better served with a SIg 365, Shield, Glock 19 for self defense rather than a 6 shot revolver with more blast and slower follow up shots. That is why. Said by someone with niche 10mm & 357 Sig semi auto calibers. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 10:53:23 PM EDT
[#2]
I like .41 in theorie but can by no chance justifiy it between 357 and 44
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Posted: 3/24/2024 10:55:46 PM EDT
[#3]
Seems reasonable, already have 9mm or smaller, .44 mag and .45 Colt and several things adjacent. I'd probably buy the gun before caring about the caliber.
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Posted: 3/24/2024 10:56:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Got any links to what you've read? Was it actual studies or weird internet people talk? .019 really going to make that big of a difference you think? 19 thousandths of an inch. no When you say need you mean something they do that nothing else does or something else? 10mm being one of the baddest things you can put in a conventional semi auto is noteworthy. 41 Mag basically needs the same stuff a 44 mag/45 Colt needs but you aren't really gaining anything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By Unlubed: Maybe not but at its top end does .41 pen more than .44? From what I've seen and read .41 is a better woods gun than the big three. Got any links to what you've read? Was it actual studies or weird internet people talk? .019 really going to make that big of a difference you think? 19 thousandths of an inch. Originally Posted By 03RN: Am I the only one who doesn't have a clue what you just said? no Originally Posted By Mindless: Gun writers who don't know a cylinder from a chamber and are bought by ad money doomed the .41 just like the 10 mm. Both of them fill a spot/need and have not gone away. When you say need you mean something they do that nothing else does or something else? 10mm being one of the baddest things you can put in a conventional semi auto is noteworthy. 41 Mag basically needs the same stuff a 44 mag/45 Colt needs but you aren't really gaining anything. If they could fit 6 rounds in an L frame, that would be sweet |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 10:57:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HammerHammer]
[#5]
.41 Mag is a great caliber. The reason why it’s not more popular is because of marketing - they did a poor job selling it when it came out, and it’s primary competitors were .44 Mag and .357 Mag. That’s a tough spot to start with.
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Posted: 3/24/2024 10:57:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CDW4ME: Niche revolver caliber. Most handgun owners are self defense oriented rather than hunting. Most people are better served with a SIg 365, Shield, Glock 19 for self defense rather than a 6 shot revolver with more blast and slower follow up shots. That is why. Said by someone with niche 10mm & 357 Sig semi auto calibers. The slower followup shots are kinda not really a thing. I mean yeah 0.2 is slower than 0.18 but it's really not relevant in the real world. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 11:01:38 PM EDT
[#7]
Great caliber
It just came out at the wrong time. If it was introduced before the .44 magnum it would be more popular It’s one of my bucket list revolver calibers |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 11:03:11 PM EDT
[#8]
Its a good cartridge, just didn't take off like 357 and 44 did.
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SD, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 11:05:32 PM EDT
[#9]
 Death Proof - Staggolee - Pacific Gas & Electric |
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BC, CAN
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Posted: 3/24/2024 11:18:06 PM EDT
[#10]
.44 doesn't really start to run away from the .41 until you get into +P and +P+ loadings, which don't really officially exist for the.41.
Although I'm sure there are "Ruger only" or "Freedom Arms only" handloads for the .41 that are a somewhat better match for the hottest .44 loads. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 11:20:41 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cascade-Dude: I've always wanted a Ruger Blackhawk in .41 magnum to carry on my hip, for bear and cougars. Do it. I love mine. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 11:22:55 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: If they could fit 6 rounds in an L frame, that would be sweet Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By Unlubed: Maybe not but at its top end does .41 pen more than .44? From what I've seen and read .41 is a better woods gun than the big three. Got any links to what you've read? Was it actual studies or weird internet people talk? .019 really going to make that big of a difference you think? 19 thousandths of an inch. Originally Posted By 03RN: Am I the only one who doesn't have a clue what you just said? no Originally Posted By Mindless: Gun writers who don't know a cylinder from a chamber and are bought by ad money doomed the .41 just like the 10 mm. Both of them fill a spot/need and have not gone away. When you say need you mean something they do that nothing else does or something else? 10mm being one of the baddest things you can put in a conventional semi auto is noteworthy. 41 Mag basically needs the same stuff a 44 mag/45 Colt needs but you aren't really gaining anything. If they could fit 6 rounds in an L frame, that would be sweet I'd be down for something like a .41 Special L-Frame, if that could actually be accomplished. Maybe +P, again if possible, because a 215-220gr SWC at about 950fps from a 4" barrel seems pretty OK to me |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 11:46:29 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RifleCal30m1n00b: I'd be down for something like a .41 Special L-Frame, if that could actually be accomplished. Maybe +P, again if possible, because a 215-220gr SWC at about 950fps from a 4" barrel seems pretty OK to me Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RifleCal30m1n00b: Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By Unlubed: Maybe not but at its top end does .41 pen more than .44? From what I've seen and read .41 is a better woods gun than the big three. Got any links to what you've read? Was it actual studies or weird internet people talk? .019 really going to make that big of a difference you think? 19 thousandths of an inch. Originally Posted By 03RN: Am I the only one who doesn't have a clue what you just said? no Originally Posted By Mindless: Gun writers who don't know a cylinder from a chamber and are bought by ad money doomed the .41 just like the 10 mm. Both of them fill a spot/need and have not gone away. When you say need you mean something they do that nothing else does or something else? 10mm being one of the baddest things you can put in a conventional semi auto is noteworthy. 41 Mag basically needs the same stuff a 44 mag/45 Colt needs but you aren't really gaining anything. If they could fit 6 rounds in an L frame, that would be sweet I'd be down for something like a .41 Special L-Frame, if that could actually be accomplished. Maybe +P, again if possible, because a 215-220gr SWC at about 950fps from a 4" barrel seems pretty OK to me Yeah, although honestly at that point I'd rather have a 10mm. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 11:52:44 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Or just load a 240gr swc at 1000fps for the .44 I absolutely agree with you, though what you're describing is basically a "warm" Special load. If I ever own an N-frame in .44 Mag that load you just delineated will be the hottest thing it will ever digest. I personally believe that the N-frame was never really enough for what the .44 Mag has become, and I also feel that there should never be a K or J frame revolver in .357 Mag. It's just pushing the respective envelopes too much, engineering wise. The .41 Mag can stretch its legs in an N-frame without the durability issues of its big brother. |
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Posted: 3/24/2024 11:55:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 50-140]
[#15]
The only loaded ammo in my area is HP, which is not appropriate for my use. I get 220 gr. SWC GC from Moyers Bullets and load my own.
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USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 11:58:25 PM EDT
[#16]
Good question since it’s the ideal pistol cartridge.
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Posted: 3/25/2024 12:06:37 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Unlubed: I would wager realistically it could replace all three of those and weigh less than .44... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Unlubed: Originally Posted By DevilDog0402: For me, it doesn't do anything I can't do with .357 mag, .44 mag, or 10mm. If I was rich, I'd probably have a couple just for fun though. I would wager realistically it could replace all three of those and weigh less than .44... This is 100% true. But variety is the spice of life so get them all. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 12:07:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Yeah, although honestly at that point I'd rather have a 10mm. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By RifleCal30m1n00b: Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By Unlubed: Maybe not but at its top end does .41 pen more than .44? From what I've seen and read .41 is a better woods gun than the big three. Got any links to what you've read? Was it actual studies or weird internet people talk? .019 really going to make that big of a difference you think? 19 thousandths of an inch. Originally Posted By 03RN: Am I the only one who doesn't have a clue what you just said? no Originally Posted By Mindless: Gun writers who don't know a cylinder from a chamber and are bought by ad money doomed the .41 just like the 10 mm. Both of them fill a spot/need and have not gone away. When you say need you mean something they do that nothing else does or something else? 10mm being one of the baddest things you can put in a conventional semi auto is noteworthy. 41 Mag basically needs the same stuff a 44 mag/45 Colt needs but you aren't really gaining anything. If they could fit 6 rounds in an L frame, that would be sweet I'd be down for something like a .41 Special L-Frame, if that could actually be accomplished. Maybe +P, again if possible, because a 215-220gr SWC at about 950fps from a 4" barrel seems pretty OK to me Yeah, although honestly at that point I'd rather have a 10mm. Which, frankly, is why the 10mm GP100 MC is on my "maybe someday" list. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 12:09:02 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dyezak: Really. What can 41 do that the more popular options cant? If you ask that sort of question, you won't understand. You can forget about anyone showing you the secret handshake now. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 12:18:05 AM EDT
[#20]
I got into .41 Mag for deer hunting back in the 80s. I practiced every week, 50 rounds offhand, full power 210 gr JHPs, on a 12"x12" steel plate at 100 yards. After 50 rounds, I wasn't sore and didn't have a flinch. If I had done that with a .44 Mag and full power 240 gr ammo, I would have been sore. I handloaded for .357, .41, .44, and .45.
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Posted: 3/25/2024 12:32:17 AM EDT
[#21]
My 2nd comment on this post…..lots of good comments, lots of facts, lots of opinions. I doubt if any of us change anyone’s opinions, and that’s OK.
I just like different, or unusual, or niche calibers. I started reloading in 1975, so niche ammo isn’t a problem for me. I bought a .280 Remington 700 when everyone else was buying .270’s in the 70’s. Before that I was shooting two .25-06’s 98 Mausers when everyone else was shooting .243’s. I shot IHMSA silhouettes in the 80’s using a 7-30 Waters TC Contender which required fire forming .30-30 cases before factory brass was readily available. Late 70’s/early 80’s (?) I bought my first Model 58 .41 mag when an Okla county stopped supporting their deputies carrying .41 mag and one turned up in a pawn shop. In ‘88 I bought a 10mm 1911 b/c of Miami Vice. I recently rebarrrled one of my 6.5 Grendel’s to a .224 Predator (.22 Grendel). There’s an old saying….Variety is the spice of life. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 12:53:05 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wideglidejoe:Variety is the spice of life. There it is. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 1:14:11 AM EDT
[#23]
I dunno, I like the idea of a 327 J frame. But I guess that’s a bit like a 30 super carry m&p Shield. Failed upon release
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 1:34:44 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Unlubed: I would wager realistically it could replace all three of those and weigh less than .44... 41 mag 48.1 oz 44 mag 46.3 oz |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 8:16:38 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: If they could fit 6 rounds in an L frame, that would be sweet I once saw a Colt Python converted to .41 magnum it was a consignment sale that sat in the display case for several months The owner of the gunshop said it was built by a well known gunsmith and perfectly safe |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 9:02:35 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Colt653: I once saw a Colt Python converted to .41 magnum it was a consignment sale that sat in the display case for several months The owner of the gunshop said it was built by a well known gunsmith and perfectly safe Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Colt653: Originally Posted By 03RN: If they could fit 6 rounds in an L frame, that would be sweet I once saw a Colt Python converted to .41 magnum it was a consignment sale that sat in the display case for several months The owner of the gunshop said it was built by a well known gunsmith and perfectly safe I would’ve jumped all over that, unless the price was ridiculous! An old Army buddy of mine became a county sheriff in rural KY, his Sam Browne duty rig carried two 4” Colt Pythons. I remember watching him practice his fast draw at 5 or 7 yards. He was drawing both Pythons simultaneously and placing one shot from each gun on target, then another drill doing double taps from each gun on target. It was impressive! |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 9:04:44 AM EDT
[#27]
Originally Posted By 03RN: Yeah, although honestly at that point I'd rather have a 10mm. I’d think if they could do it they would have already. It would be interesting to see all the math they use to figure out the safe minimums. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 9:07:39 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: The slower followup shots are kinda not really a thing. I mean yeah 0.2 is slower than 0.18 but it's really not relevant in the real world. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By CDW4ME: Niche revolver caliber. Most handgun owners are self defense oriented rather than hunting. Most people are better served with a SIg 365, Shield, Glock 19 for self defense rather than a 6 shot revolver with more blast and slower follow up shots. That is why. Said by someone with niche 10mm & 357 Sig semi auto calibers. The slower followup shots are kinda not really a thing. I mean yeah 0.2 is slower than 0.18 but it's really not relevant in the real world. You can accomplish those splits, but you are more skilled than most shooters. How about someone who goes to the range maybe twice a year like my wife. She is way better off with a Glock 19 than a 41 Mag. What I said is valid for most people. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 9:13:59 AM EDT
[#29]
Keep in mind the .44 had a series of five 90-120 minute commercials between the 70s and the 90s, saying it was the most powerful handgun in the world, and will take your head clean off.
Clint ia a powerful spokesman. Hell, there are still people who think the .44 is the most powerful in the world. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 9:14:51 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmateurLuthier: https://imageshack.com/i/polMrmMHj Currently have a Blackhawk in.41. If Colt would make a .41 Anaconda, I would throw money at them. Love the grips! |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 9:22:15 AM EDT
[#31]
It's been said but, the juice ain't worth the squeeze. 10mm offers larger capacity with fast reloads. If you're going with a revolver, might as well go 44.
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Posted: 3/25/2024 9:47:12 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By curiomatic: I got into .41 Mag for deer hunting back in the 80s. I practiced every week, 50 rounds offhand, full power 210 gr JHPs, on a 12"x12" steel plate at 100 yards. After 50 rounds, I wasn't sore and didn't have a flinch. If I had done that with a .44 Mag and full power 240 gr ammo, I would have been sore. I handloaded for .357, .41, .44, and .45. Yep. I find the difference in recoil to be significant, too. I find .41 magnum to be fun to shoot in (reasonable) volume, and .44 magnum... isn't. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:09:06 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Unlubed: I would wager realistically it could replace all three of those and weigh less than .44... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Unlubed: Originally Posted By DevilDog0402: For me, it doesn't do anything I can't do with .357 mag, .44 mag, or 10mm. If I was rich, I'd probably have a couple just for fun though. I would wager realistically it could replace all three of those and weigh less than .44... except it's a unicorn to find ammo for was an idea that just didn't take. It's a cool range toy - come to that revolvers in general are cool range toys that can be pressed into service as defensive tool in extremis when a better tool isn't at hand |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:11:49 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DevilDog0402: For me, it doesn't do anything I can't do with .357 mag, .44 mag, or 10mm. If I was rich, I'd probably have a couple just for fun though. I might be getting a Ruger .44 mag rifle, |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:15:05 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CDW4ME: You can accomplish those splits, but you are more skilled than most shooters. How about someone who goes to the range maybe twice a year like my wife. She is way better off with a Glock 19 than a 41 Mag. What I said is valid for most people. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CDW4ME: Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By CDW4ME: Niche revolver caliber. Most handgun owners are self defense oriented rather than hunting. Most people are better served with a SIg 365, Shield, Glock 19 for self defense rather than a 6 shot revolver with more blast and slower follow up shots. That is why. Said by someone with niche 10mm & 357 Sig semi auto calibers. The slower followup shots are kinda not really a thing. I mean yeah 0.2 is slower than 0.18 but it's really not relevant in the real world. You can accomplish those splits, but you are more skilled than most shooters. How about someone who goes to the range maybe twice a year like my wife. She is way better off with a Glock 19 than a 41 Mag. What I said is valid for most people. Let's make America great again. America was once a bastion of masculine stoicism when the m19 was the preeminent police and carry gun. Add in the men among men who did rough work outside and they carried N frames. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:19:29 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chaingun: Agree, .357 covers the bases I might be getting a Ruger .44 mag rifle, |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:36:33 AM EDT
[#37]
One of the 58’s was heavily modified before I found it. It has a bobbed hammer (DAO), converted to round butt, and the right side of the trigger guard has been “scalloped”, making it more convenient to lay your trigger finger straight alongside the trigger.
I’d love to see some photos. I have an SAPD marked model 58. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:29:17 AM EDT
[#38]
Because 10mm Mag is better.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 12:14:14 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnowMexican: Although I'm sure there are "Ruger only" or "Freedom Arms only" handloads for the .41 that are a somewhat better match for the hottest .44 loads. No, there is not. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 12:27:39 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeSearson: No, there is not. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeSearson: Originally Posted By SnowMexican: Although I'm sure there are "Ruger only" or "Freedom Arms only" handloads for the .41 that are a somewhat better match for the hottest .44 loads. No, there is not. To a small degree there is. Elmer Keith recommended 20 grains of 2400 for Ruger Blackhawks, and 19 grains for S&Ws. Not a great deal of difference, but it is a difference. Even 19 grain loads kick pretty good from a M58. On a warm day, they will break 1300 FPS, not bad for a 4" barrel. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 1:00:29 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dorobuta: I want to add one to my stable...   Attached File |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 1:07:02 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Unlubed: I don't think with home reloaded options. 45 colt is in the same conversation as .357, .41, and .44. I love the round, but I don't think that big of a case and the fact Blackhawks exist makes it relevant. Kind of like factory only 10mm shooters vs. Reloaders.  |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 1:14:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/25/2024 1:31:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sandblaster]
[#44]
Sheriff Pusser concurs. Model 58 .41 Magnum as carried by Buford Pusser.
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Posted: 3/25/2024 1:35:06 PM EDT
[#45]
I've always wanted a 41.
It was designed as a police round, and at one time they offered factory reduced power loads intended for police use. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 1:57:42 PM EDT
[#46]
At this point it's probably almost like a Catch 22 type situation.
More people don't buy them because the guns and ammo are expensive. The guns and ammo are expensive because more people don't buy them. I would eventually like to have one, but I have a long list ahead of it. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 2:02:35 PM EDT
[#47]
I don’t know but I want one, there’s used ones around here because it was standard issue in San Antonio back in the 70s and 80s.
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Posted: 3/25/2024 2:05:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: floof]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PR361: One of the 58’s was heavily modified before I found it. It has a bobbed hammer (DAO), converted to round butt, and the right side of the trigger guard has been “scalloped”, making it more convenient to lay your trigger finger straight alongside the trigger. I’d love to see some photos. I have an SAPD marked model 58. Not his, but mine is very similar to what he described. Model 58, bobbed hammer, trigger work, VZ grips.  Attached File Attached File |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 2:06:31 PM EDT
[#49]
“This is a .41 Magnum, NOT the most powerful handgun in the world…”
Doesn’t roll of the tongue like .44 magnum. 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2024 2:11:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JohnnyLoco]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fugitive: It's been said but, the juice ain't worth the squeeze. 10mm offers larger capacity with fast reloads. If you're going with a revolver, might as well go 44. I agree with this, at least here in the Hill Country, 10mm, .45 acp and .357 mag and sig are adequate hog guns and we only have the occasional bear sighting. Heck even my 10mms and 686 plus are heavy to carry so I just opt for my hk45c with +ps. I tend to think if you need a .41 mag, a .44 mag is not much different at .43. |
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