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Posted: 3/22/2024 12:11:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Russian victory parameters include the subjugation of Ukraine including Kyiv. Ukrainian victory parameters do not include that Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By ottodog8: Crimea liberated yet? Russian victory parameters include the subjugation of Ukraine including Kyiv. Ukrainian victory parameters do not include that Blah Blah Blah Blah |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 12:13:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnoGoRider: Blah Blah Blah Blah Am I wrong or not? Looking at this factually. Russia has repeatedly claimed all of Ukraine. That is documented not only in their victory declaration but their statements since then. |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 12:18:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: Well a turbo prop strategic bomber isn't somthing you see everyday...goes to show how shitty the Russian military is |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 12:20:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: We need to give Ukraine long range munitions to take out those bombers. Russia has lost several bombers so far to Ukrainian drones. Right now the focus seems to be on refineries. Those have been getting hit a lot recently. Taganrog was just hit again a few hours ago, unsure of results. Gas and general oil production is down a good bit and is negatively impacting the Russian oil and gas industry. |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 12:33:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: Targeting civilians, again. Putin is one evil sob. Originally Posted By 03RN: Are you OK with the allies firebombing Germany or us nuking Japan? Considering Facts that: (A) Germany Started the European Portion of World War Two. (B) Japan started the Asian Portion of World War 2 and (C) that both Germany & Japan had zero restraint from deliberate terror bombing civilian cities & populations (Warsaw, Rotterdam, Coventry, London, Nanking, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Manilia, ect ... Germany & Japan were prime examples of Fuck Around & Find Out. I can't find a single tear for anyone who cries "Unfair" when the Germans & Japanese started their Wars and set the tone. Oddly, I don't recall columns of Ukrainian Tanks rolling across the borders invading "Putin's Peaceful & Innocent Russia", nor waves of Ukrainian Bombers & Missiles targeting Russian Civilians. Putin & the Russians are nothing but murderous Goons & I pray I love long enough to see him swinging by his heels from a lamppost someday.  Bigger_Hammer  |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 12:33:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FistPeso: They aren’t spending cruise missle money on targeting civilians. They are attacking military targets specifically. Just like the Ukrainians continue to do to the Russians. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FistPeso: Originally Posted By DVCER: Targeting civilians, again. Putin is one evil sob. They aren’t spending cruise missle money on targeting civilians. They are attacking military targets specifically. Just like the Ukrainians continue to do to the Russians. Russian weapons are so bad it’s hard to tell. For instance they blew up a shopping center 500m from a rail yard. My guess is they aimed for the rail yard. |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 12:34:24 AM EDT
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Sounds like Russia fired several months production of guided munitions.
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Posted: 3/22/2024 9:58:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: What’s also breaking is that in year 3 of the 2 day “smo” Russia is being liberated. @nomad07 uh huh |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 10:15:29 AM EDT
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We should pay them to lay off Ukraine and bomb the Mexican border for us.
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Posted: 3/22/2024 11:44:14 AM EDT
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 Russia Says West Pushed It To "State Of War", Pounds Ukraine; US Asks Kyiv To Halt Energy Attacks? |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 4:10:17 PM EDT
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Russian cruise missile strikes Dnipro power plant.
 Moment Russian missile strikes Dnipro power plant |
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Posted: 3/23/2024 3:55:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nomad07: uh huh Russians were in retreat from bilgorod and waving the white flag. Clearly winning 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:05:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Am I wrong or not? Looking at this factually. Russia has repeatedly claimed all of Ukraine. That is documented not only in their victory declaration but their statements since then. Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania to follow, and then a long hard look at Poland |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:08:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Sounds like Russia fired several months production of guided munitions. You keep claiming that, then they keep firing more outside your timeline. The longest gap has been 44 days between major strikes, yet you still bloviate with made up numbers. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:12:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: Targeting civilians, again. Putin is one evil sob. What is the value in targeting civilians? I don't believe what you say is true, but assuming it is, why attack your regular Igor? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:22:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cash50: What is the value in targeting civilians? I don't believe what you say is true, but assuming it is, why attack your regular Igor? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cash50: Originally Posted By DVCER: Targeting civilians, again. Putin is one evil sob. What is the value in targeting civilians? I don't believe what you say is true, but assuming it is, why attack your regular Igor? Launch a missile at a military target It gets shot down Things that get shot down don't evaporate, they land somewhere Sometimes where civilians are PUTIN IS TARGETING LE CIVILIANS!!! |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:49:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: You keep claiming that, then they keep firing more outside your timeline. The longest gap has been 44 days between major strikes, yet you still bloviate with made up numbers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Sounds like Russia fired several months production of guided munitions. You keep claiming that, then they keep firing more outside your timeline. The longest gap has been 44 days between major strikes, yet you still bloviate with made up numbers. And yet their rate of use of precision missiles tends to be right around the estimated production rate, over time. I wonder why that might be. Btw we have numbers now and the Russian strike was lighter than what we used against the Houthis. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 4:06:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: And yet their rate of use of precision missiles tends to be right around the estimated production rate, over time. I wonder why that might be. Btw we have numbers now and the Russian strike was lighter than what we used against the Houthis. So, they consistently use "several months worth of missiles" every couple weeks or so? I didn't go to math school, but I think your figures are off. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 4:21:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: So, they consistently use "several months worth of missiles" every couple weeks or so? I didn't go to math school, but I think your figures are off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: And yet their rate of use of precision missiles tends to be right around the estimated production rate, over time. I wonder why that might be. Btw we have numbers now and the Russian strike was lighter than what we used against the Houthis. So, they consistently use "several months worth of missiles" every couple weeks or so? I didn't go to math school, but I think your figures are off. ...pretty evident by his opinion that Ukraine is "winning". |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 4:29:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 9divdoc: We should pay them to lay off Ukraine and bomb the Mexican border for us. That actually seems like a Win - Win... Cuba really needs the cash so they will let the Russians fly from their bases. US to Mexico "Hey Amigos!!! It isn't Uncle Sam bombing your Border cities - It's those danged Ruskies... Don't you feel stupid for pissing off your only hope at any air defense? Now, are you going to do what we asked & close down your Southern & Northern borders to "migrants" or is that evil Uncle Valdimir going to continue to fly TU-95s wingtip to wingtip carpet bombing across your whole border region?" 9DivDoc for Secretary of State! @9divdoc Bigger_Hammer
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Posted: 3/27/2024 4:32:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: So, they consistently use "several months worth of missiles" every couple weeks or so? I didn't go to math school, but I think your figures are off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: And yet their rate of use of precision missiles tends to be right around the estimated production rate, over time. I wonder why that might be. Btw we have numbers now and the Russian strike was lighter than what we used against the Houthis. So, they consistently use "several months worth of missiles" every couple weeks or so? I didn't go to math school, but I think your figures are off. Some months they use 180 missiles. Some months they use 90. Depending on the time period they usually average 110-130 or so which is consistent with production estimates. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 4:32:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: ...pretty evident by his opinion that Ukraine is "winning". Did I say that? Show me where |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 4:41:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Some months they use 180 missiles. Some months they use 90. Depending on the time period they usually average 110-130 or so which is consistent with production estimates. Oh so we're using my production estimates now? You argued vehemently against a rate consistent with that in previous threads. Those statistics have only held true for a handful of months, because they keep increasing. 90 days from now they will have grown again. They are also using a lot more guided munitions than just missiles. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 7:16:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Oh so we're using my production estimates now? You argued vehemently against a rate consistent with that in previous threads. Those statistics have only held true for a handful of months, because they keep increasing. 90 days from now they will have grown again. They are also using a lot more guided munitions than just missiles. No, I previously was using production figures that were higher. Every serious source that considers whether the Russian stockpile is expanding or contracting concludes its…stable. Usually at 700-900. Which is what usually happens even to us—consumption falls to replacement rate. And yes of course they have other munitions. Glide bombs have a long targeting cycle and a short range making them mostly a tactical tool. OWA drones with a long targeting cycle, high intercept rate, small payload and inability to penetrate structures before exploding. Their recent dramatic improvements in targeting have to use ballistic or to a lesser extent cruise missiles to close the loop. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:08:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Joe731: Launch a missile at a military target It gets shot down Things that get shot down don't evaporate, they land somewhere Sometimes where civilians are PUTIN IS TARGETING LE CIVILIANS!!! There are tons of missiles that aren’t hit by air defense that hit strictly Civilian targets. 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:17:34 PM EDT
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If UKR is too successful hitting Russian energy, oil pops over $100/bbl and FJB is fucked in November. So UKR will probably dial that back to keep the billions rolling in.
Maybe they go after Russian energy grids and plants instead. At the distances they are flying the drones, not a lot of payload. And they can only insert so many special forces inside Russia to shorten the flight. Either way, no fun being a soldier on either side in that shit war. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 2:40:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By atavistic: If UKR is too successful hitting Russian energy, oil pops over $100/bbl and FJB is fucked in November. So UKR will probably dial that back to keep the billions rolling in. Maybe they go after Russian energy grids and plants instead. At the distances they are flying the drones, not a lot of payload. And they can only insert so many special forces inside Russia to shorten the flight. Either way, no fun being a soldier on either side in that shit war. Hold up, there has been new aid approved? I missed that, @atavistic |
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