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Posted: 3/12/2024 6:08:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: STJ]
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Posted: 3/12/2024 6:34:50 AM EDT
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Pentel P209 0.9mm is best mm
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Posted: 3/12/2024 6:35:12 AM EDT
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P207 user here. I have a Rotring 600, never really got into it.
I'll give the Berol a try. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 6:40:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By freeride21a: And dont forget about the OG best eraser! clic eraser! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/21179/s-l1600__1__jpg-3156860.JPG Originally Posted By MADMAXXX: Pencils are made for people who make mistakes and need to erase their work.  |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/12/2024 6:43:24 AM EDT
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Pass.
Ain't nobody manually drafting shit anymore. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 6:47:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Millennial: Pass. Ain't nobody manually drafting shit anymore.  people still sketch shit to hand to the drafters. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 6:50:41 AM EDT
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No rite in the rain mechanical pencil, no care.
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USA
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Posted: 3/12/2024 6:51:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HourOfAngle]
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A large part of my job is drafting structural steel for the shop and design work for the engineeer owner of the company. I do a lot of sketching in the field fixing the 3B's in the petro chemical field. Something broke down, something burned up, or something blew up.
I use a good old fashioned Ticonderogga number 2. That way when I drop it a couple hundred feet off the ground on a vessel or a tower I grab another out of my pack. Those below have hard hats on for a reason. Between me and engineer we order the pencils by the multiples of cases. I use write in the rain paper sometimes on my clipboard. Can write on it just fine with a regular pencil and it doesn't run and paper doesn't fall apart. Started using it when I worked for the US Forest Service. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 6:51:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Going_Commando]
[#9]
Pica Dry. Then again, most of my marking isn't done on paper at work.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 6:56:31 AM EDT
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Kind of an odd fetish but I’m actually going to check prices on Amazon
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Posted: 3/12/2024 7:03:46 AM EDT
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I’m a sketcher, not a draftsman.
Staedler 925 is pretty good. My favorite for sketching is the Pentel 120 A3 DX .5mm. I also have .7 and .3 versions. The .3 is always breaking leads on me so I just use it for fine details. Accompanied by the click eraser of choice.  |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 7:16:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 50cal: I write too hard to use a thin leaded pencil like that. I would be replacing leads at a furious rate. #METOO One of our apprentices (we’re electricians) at work is in charge of ordering all of our office supplies. As a goof he ordered me some 2.0mm pencils off Amazon. I actually kinda like them. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/12/2024 7:30:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Millennial]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MethaneMover: people still sketch shit to hand to the drafters.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MethaneMover: people still sketch shit to hand to the drafters.Drafters? We got rid of people "just drafting" like 15-20 years ago. We draw our own stuff because the CAD practically drafts your own stuff. And there's no miscommunication between what the designer/engineer wanted and what comes back from drafting. Think it up, model it, tolerance it, send it off to the analysts (when more detailed shock/vibe/thermal is needed), then draw it up ourselves. Heck, we're even getting away from 2D drawings now and just supplying vendors (or our internal shops) with 3D PDF and 3D drawings. 100% digital. Create a reduced dimension drawing that's as detailed or not detailed as you want, put all the relevant info in the 3D model you supply to the shop and slap this bad boy in any 2D drawing notes: NOTES (UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED): 1. REDUCED DIMENSION DRAWING. THE 3D SOLID MODEL IS THE SOLE AUTHORITY FOR BASIC FORM, LOCATION, ORIENTATION, AND DIMENSIONAL CHARACTERISTICS OF ALL FEATURES. DIMENSIONS DERIVED FROM THE MODEL ARE BASIC. THIS DRAWING CONTAINS NOTES, TOLERANCES, AND DEFINES DATUMS. SEE TABLE 1 FOR PART NUMBER, FILE NAME, AND REVISION WITH VERSION. ... Drafters?  |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 7:32:38 AM EDT
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Just as good
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Posted: 3/12/2024 7:42:52 AM EDT
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Pretty sure I had these pencils when I was a little kid. Haven’t they been around for 40 years or more?
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MD, USA
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Posted: 3/12/2024 8:13:19 AM EDT
[#16]
What about K&E?
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Posted: 3/12/2024 8:17:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By freeride21a: And dont forget about the OG best eraser! clic eraser! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/21179/s-l1600__1__jpg-3156860.JPG cleaning pad and brush too!! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/21179/cleaingpad_JPG-3156861.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/21179/brush_JPG-3156862.JPG Yep. Those were staples om my drafting desk. Right next to the Vemco drafting arm. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 8:23:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Neat - but I'm not a professional draftsman. For general purpose that you can put in your pocket and that won't tear through common and uncommon thin paper, .5mm is more general. For me: https://davesmechanicalpencils.blogspot.com/2006/08/pilot-vanishing-point-h1005-mechanical.html?m=1 https://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5470/2195/400/100_0779.jpg @lazyengineer knows his shit and if he lived around me he would get a bottle of good bourbon from me. The Pilot Vanishing point IS THE BEST mechanical pencil ever made. I had some in college and they disappeared. I want to get another one but they are going for over $100 on eBay. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 8:27:20 AM EDT
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Uni kurutoga is the best I've used.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 9:35:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Millennial: Drafters? We got rid of people "just drafting" like 15-20 years ago. We draw our own stuff because the CAD practically drafts your own stuff. And there's no miscommunication between what the designer/engineer wanted and what comes back from drafting. Think it up, model it, tolerance it, send it off to the analysts (when more detailed shock/vibe/thermal is needed), then draw it up ourselves. Heck, we're even getting away from 2D drawings now and just supplying vendors (or our internal shops) with 3D PDF and 3D drawings. 100% digital. Create a reduced dimension drawing that's as detailed or not detailed as you want, put all the relevant info in the 3D model you supply to the shop and slap this bad boy in any 2D drawing notes: Drafters? https://media1.tenor.com/m/_7W1bKKAA5AAAAAC/boomer-alert.gif Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Millennial: Originally Posted By MethaneMover: people still sketch shit to hand to the drafters.Drafters? We got rid of people "just drafting" like 15-20 years ago. We draw our own stuff because the CAD practically drafts your own stuff. And there's no miscommunication between what the designer/engineer wanted and what comes back from drafting. Think it up, model it, tolerance it, send it off to the analysts (when more detailed shock/vibe/thermal is needed), then draw it up ourselves. Heck, we're even getting away from 2D drawings now and just supplying vendors (or our internal shops) with 3D PDF and 3D drawings. 100% digital. Create a reduced dimension drawing that's as detailed or not detailed as you want, put all the relevant info in the 3D model you supply to the shop and slap this bad boy in any 2D drawing notes: NOTES (UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED): 1. REDUCED DIMENSION DRAWING. THE 3D SOLID MODEL IS THE SOLE AUTHORITY FOR BASIC FORM, LOCATION, ORIENTATION, AND DIMENSIONAL CHARACTERISTICS OF ALL FEATURES. DIMENSIONS DERIVED FROM THE MODEL ARE BASIC. THIS DRAWING CONTAINS NOTES, TOLERANCES, AND DEFINES DATUMS. SEE TABLE 1 FOR PART NUMBER, FILE NAME, AND REVISION WITH VERSION. ... Drafters? https://media1.tenor.com/m/_7W1bKKAA5AAAAAC/boomer-alert.gif Im not a drafter or engineer i just like the pencils. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 9:36:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 56cbr600rr: Pretty sure I had these pencils when I was a little kid. Haven’t they been around for 40 years or more? They haven’t probably been made since the early 2000’s. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/12/2024 9:42:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brandon_: I started with a red but will probably try a yellow after I lose the first one. Peak performance. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/247800/1000003652_png-3156886.JPG This guy gets it. Bic is peak performance. I say this as an owner of a Montblanc Meisterstuck owner, a $400 ball point pen. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 9:42:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/12/2024 9:47:38 AM EDT
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Zebra M-301 for life! Seriously, I have to buy these little bastards by the box because jealous people keep stealing them.
And yes, my Swingline is from 1992.  Attached File |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/12/2024 9:49:04 AM EDT
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Very fine point mechanical pencils were extremely useful for land navigation in the Army back in the day.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 9:53:24 AM EDT
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Land surveyor here. Pentel graphgear 500 in 0.3 or 0.5 accept no substitutes.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/12/2024 9:57:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JVD: Rotring 600 for me. Rotring for me as well. Do they have a 2.0mm? I like having a pencil in the shop but normal lead doesn’t last. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:06:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lokifox]
[#28]
OP sorry that you don't drag your knuckles like the rest of us.
.9mm master race. Photo fail... Either way. .9mm. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:12:28 AM EDT
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Mine are Staedtler 925’s, the old ones before they made them fat and soft for weak people.
For pens, Zebra Sarasa Clip in 0.5mm, cobalt blue. And if I use black, rite in the rain metal pen with Fisher space pen refill. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:18:41 AM EDT
[#30]
OP, you spelled Kuru Toga wrong.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:31:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VACaver: I still use my Pentel that I bought in 1979. Can't beat it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/100647/Pentel_jpeg-3156966.JPG This. Interesting that your picture shows a blue .5mm. I thought those were .7mm and the black ones were .5mm? I prefer the .7mm myself. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:36:24 AM EDT
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Does it come in full auto lead advance or only semi?
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:38:57 AM EDT
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Imagine not using fine tip Sharpies for your writing needs.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:43:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By freeride21a: And dont forget about the OG best eraser! clic eraser! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/21179/s-l1600__1__jpg-3156860.JPG cleaning pad and brush too!! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/21179/cleaingpad_JPG-3156861.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/21179/brush_JPG-3156862.JPG Don't forget your Vyco mat  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:43:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Federov: No OP. The best is the six buck Japanese mechanical pencil that automatically rotates the lead when you lift it off the paper. https://www.amazon.com/Uni-Writing-neatly-Mechanical-M5-5591P-1/dp/B06XV3W6CT I can't remember the brand, but this made a huge difference when I was taking notes in college. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:45:34 AM EDT
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I bet they are great for writing cursive
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:46:43 AM EDT
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B013XBQKRO?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
These are the best pencils imo- it’s what I use for construction work- I haven’t bought a wood construction pencil in years after using these. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:47:11 AM EDT
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What kind of fragile mentally weak snowflake uses pencils?
I use ink exclusively because I believe in what I put to paper. #nomistakes |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:47:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: -Obsessed-]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Texas: I can't remember the brand, but this made a huge difference when I was taking notes in college. Kuru Toga had the Advance auto rotating pencil. I had one in 0.3mm but lost it. But it is certainly my vote for best mechanical pencil. Mine was made in Japan, not sure where they are made now. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:48:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:50:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frayedknot: What kind of fragile mentally weak snowflake uses pencils? I use ink exclusively because I believe in what I put to paper. #nomistakes My thoughts exactly. I haven’t made a mistake since ‘98 and don’t plan on changing that now. Pencils are for children. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:55:50 AM EDT
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I’ll stick with my Zebra M-701.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:56:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frayedknot: What kind of fragile mentally weak snowflake uses pencils? I use ink exclusively because I believe in what I put to paper. #nomistakes I have a lifetime supply of shitty mechanical pencils that I still use for work, on the lifetime supply of notepads they printed with the now defunct office address. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:58:08 AM EDT
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pencils are for mind changers and mistake makers...
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Posted: 3/12/2024 10:59:51 AM EDT
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I probably have half a dozen in a box somewhere.
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Posted: 3/12/2024 11:02:33 AM EDT
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AR, USA
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Posted: 3/12/2024 11:04:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Kuru Toga had the Advance auto rotating pencil. I had one in 0.3mm but lost it. But it is certainly my vote for best mechanical pencil. Mine was made in Japan, not sure where they are made now. I have a few of them and like them. The last one I bought was about a year ago and still made in Japan. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 11:04:48 AM EDT
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OP reminds me of the GDers who claim mechanical watches are superior because they paid more for them.
LOL. The yellow wood #2 pencil is perfection. It cannot be improved. |
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Posted: 3/12/2024 11:05:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/12/2024 11:09:23 AM EDT
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 I can't stand you poors. This is what I have. |
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