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Posted: 3/10/2024 9:38:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FDC]
[#1]
Originally Posted By 346ci: How are old ads moved over? Doesn't look like they are.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 10:23:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VacaDuck: I'm sure it will work out fine. There will be some pushback from members until they get used to the new format, but there always is when things change. Noooo. We all embrace change. Initial gripes and questions. Questions: I see the mention of email in the original post. Is this still using IMs or are we forced to go to email. I want to keep my arfcom on arfcom and not on email. What does this mean "The first thing to realize is this is a transactional system (finally!). This means with each sale we have a process to make that transaction easier from start to finish. This includes a 1:1 feedback, offers, sales, images for every item, historic data to compare to, improved tools, and more! In short, this opens a lot of options because of the way we handle the listings."? It would be nice to see a tutorial, so we don't get fucked into bad feedback because the new system is weird. IMO, since this is now a fee system a detailed tutorial should be expected. Gripes: Looking at ad creations, this seems to have taken much of the spirit of a classifieds section away. Way too formal. IMO the accepting offers button should go away as offers are always a thing. You don't have to accept. Also, the shipping information needs to either change or go away as it is cost prohibitive to ship non flat rate items to Alaska or Hawaii. I guess I can't sell a hat to anyone in Canada. Not sure what we're trying to get at here. |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 10:26:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FDC: Doesn't look like they are. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/new_JPG-3155200.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/old_JPG-3155201.JPG That is a major malfunction if so. 
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ME, USA
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Posted: 3/10/2024 10:28:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AbsoluteLemur]
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 346ci: That is a major malfunction if so. I think they simply haven't migrated listings from old EE to new EE yet. Depending on stuff like differing database schemas, they may not be able to - any plans to migrate listings @GoatBoy? |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 3/10/2024 10:29:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: scuba_steve]
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TN, USA
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Posted: 3/10/2024 10:30:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: scuba_steve]
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Posted: 3/10/2024 10:37:22 AM EDT
[#7]
Sounds like some great improvements. Has the team dialed down the hyper aggressive image compression yet? It's why I typically host images off site.
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Posted: 3/10/2024 10:44:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: scuba_steve]
[#8]
Folks, let's keep this thread productive. Feel free to post comments, suggestions, and/or complaints, but please keep it on topic. You will be removed from the thread if you are here just to bash the site or thread slide.
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Posted: 3/10/2024 10:58:53 AM EDT
[#9]
You're screwing up a good thing the EE was fine the way it was. This will not be a good thing.
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Posted: 3/10/2024 10:59:58 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By charliedontsurf: Sorry, but the old EE was better, alot easier to use, and less steps to navigate through the EE sub forum. I just don't get this place, it used to he the best online classified section to use and the easiest to navigate..... Hear! Hear! |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/10/2024 11:09:41 AM EDT
[#11]
How do we add new manufacturers? Dan Wesson is not in the list
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Posted: 3/10/2024 11:09:45 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vanquish: If I wanted to clean out my spare parts bin and sell let’s say 45 items individually priced, how would I go about doing that? Previously you could have one post with a list of all the items with a price next to each one. Looking at it now, that doesn’t seem to be an option unless I’m missing something. Would I have to create 45 different listings? ^This. I like most of these changes, as the form prevents sloppy or lazy people from leaving out important details. But the “one item per listing” has to go. Someone should be able to sell “Various P365 parts” without creating 16 listings. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/10/2024 11:10:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: You're screwing up a good thing the EE was fine the way it was. This will not be a good thing. Yep. Why mess with what works?
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USA
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Posted: 3/10/2024 11:10:10 AM EDT
[#14]
Sometimes you got to cut the grass to see the snakes...
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Posted: 3/10/2024 11:21:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: scuba_steve]
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Comments after posting an ad:
Pictures: - Would be nice if at least one product picture was required - Dialog that opens for adding pictures is overly complex and does not fit vertically on screen. Top is cut off, even on a desktop with 1920x1080 res, although I am running Chrome at 110% magnification for arfcom. - To see if at least one picture was required, I posted an ad without any, which the site allows. When I later edited the ad to include pictures, the ad still did not get a thumbnail. Seems like requiring at least one picture is an easy way to solve this issue. - Nice that I can select multiple pictures for upload in one step, but when I selected four, one did not appear as a thumbnail, implying it was not uploaded, but did eventually appear in the ad. - Would like the ability to delete a picture after it has been uploaded and posted, which in my case was desired because I uploaded the same picture twice. The only way I could address was by deleting the ad. - Would prefer a far simpler image upload UI, where you can either browse for one or more images or alternately provide a URL where one is hosted offsite. If the server then chooses to retrieve that remote image and host it locally, so be it. - I don't think you need to display the user's image library by default because what are the odds they already have product pictures there? I'd estimate fairly low, for something that is taking up a lot of screen real estate. And the combined dialog almost implies you are uploading images to that library, which doesn't seem to be the case. - Drag and drop images would be even more user friendly. Shipping: - Shipping should have options for a seller-defined set price, buyer pays actual price, or free shipping (potentially with a seller-provided caveat, for shipping type, lower 48 only, etc.) - What about FTF sales? Would like to have explicit options for "FTF sale only" or "open to FTF" when the seller is open to FTF but also willing to ship. - Why ask for zip code? So a buyer can estimate shipping cost for buyer pays? Or to see if FTF transaction is possible? - If seller is including shipping and isn't open to FTF, I don't see any reason to collect zip code, unless this is an eye toward eventually collecting sales tax (which would really suck) Payments: - Include Zelle and Venmo as options Potential future fees: - I believe bronze or higher members should always have free access to sell a limited number of items at any one time. That should be a benefit of site membership. - Non-paying site members should also have some level of free access to sell, perhaps marginally lower than paid members, and perhaps after some minimum length of site membership (~1 year?) so scammers just don't register a new account to get around verification. - I don't believe a buyer should ever have to pay a fee. The last thing you want to do is discourage buyers, as Armslist did. |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 11:24:28 AM EDT
[#16]
It's all great minus the fees. Membership should bypass the fee schedule, just like the ads.
Remember when you tried to put ads on paying members? That didn't go over well. "The plan for now" sounds like it will land eventually. |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 11:39:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Napalmsticks]
[#17]
Looks ok, but if all sales are being placed in one system there will be a ton of ads to wade through.
Is it possible to separate items into categories like they are now in EE? Like add a flag to the sale ad that buyers can filter by? I don't always go into EE knowing exactly what I'm looking for. If I'm looking for a scope I will just go into the scope section and look around. ETA: Also, if fees are added I would assume sellers will just mark up the item. In many cases there is no point of buying used equipment if the prices increase to nearly that of new. That was the beauty of listing on the EE here, being that there were no fees. |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 11:45:12 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spud: It's all great minus the fees. Membership should bypass the fee schedule, just like the ads. Ouch. I originally read it as no fees for team members, but it clearly says no fees to purchase. I guess team members have to pay to sell, but it's still free to browse and buy. It's either a poorly worded rule or we're legit charging team members for the EE. Why do we buy memberships again?  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 11:50:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JustDaniel]
[#19]
I see that there are benefits to the new system but essentially the best gun classified section online has been converted to a bastardized eBay. At least on eBay, a seller can post multiples of an item in each listing. I think that feature, or lack there of, is going to hurt traffic to the EE. Hopefully once enough pain is felt, admin will reconsider and correct that.
ETA: Also the seller fee thing, if I’m understanding it correctly, is not going to go over well. I hope I’m wrong but you guys may have just shot the EE in the head. Time will tell I guess |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 11:50:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Napalmsticks]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FDC: Ouch. I originally read it as no fees for team members, but it clearly says no fees to purchase. I guess team members have to pay to sell, but it's still free to browse and buy. It's either a poorly worded rule or we're legit charging team members for the EE. Why do we buy memberships again? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/Capture_JPG-3155273.JPG I read this as "If you are not a team member you need to validate." From reading the FAQ it seems that team members can buy and sell for free. Eta: For now at least. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 3/10/2024 11:55:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: You're screwing up a good thing the EE was fine the way it was. This will not be a good thing. Yup…  The new EE is dog shit bad. The layout sucks, it doesn’t appear to hotlink images (and the ones I tried to upload all did so sideways or upside down…), and it takes extra steps to get to the same place as before. Also: “nEw AcCoUnTs ArE lImItEd To 2000 wOrDs Or LeSs!!1!” What a crock of shit. I’ve been here for over two decades, and now they want to squeeze money out of me to put up with this ass?  Whoever decided this change was a good idea should be fired…  The regular ol’ EE was fine. Go back to it.
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:08:43 PM EDT
[#22]
Looking forward to it
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:08:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: scuba_steve]
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:10:09 PM EDT
[#24]
The biggest positive takeaway from the new EE is that it will force people to post a picture of the item for sale. It seemed lazy at minimum for people not to include a pic of what they were selling.
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:13:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Slimjim]
[#25]
Didn’t you guys try this like 10 years ago and the backlash made it go back to the way it is now and always has been?
I sell stuff here because i don’t want to deal with Gunbrokers fees. But now you guys want to become gunbroker? I am sure there are other members who deal mostly on here when they want to sell one or two items. |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:16:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Cardplayer]
[#26]
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2. Is it possible for the site to automatically give a buyer(mostly seller) + fb after a certain time period? I know it's petty but, it takes 5 seconds to let members know it was a good transaction and there still are members that are to lazy to do it. |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:17:15 PM EDT
[#27]
I just reposted an add onto the new EE and closed the old add. No problems doing so and it was pretty straightforward.
Initially I had some questions about editing or how to quickly navigate to your add but I figured it out by playing with it a little. I think it will be fine once folks get over the change. Good job. |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:24:35 PM EDT
[#28]
Adding fees means a new website needs to be utilized for sales is the simple opinion
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:34:06 PM EDT
[#29]
I haven't gotten a chance to explore very much, but if limited to one "item" per listing ( old system allowed many items per ad), is there a way to subscribe to certain sellers to know when they update listings or add new ones? These are sellers I follow that update/add to things like brass sales.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:36:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: craqas18]
[#30]
Can you explain the auto bump for listings?
Just wondering for those who forget to close their listings and/or those whom are MIA, with an open listing. Also just my opinion, not a fan of the best offer option. I believe negotiating should take place via PMs. Keep it simple. Thanks! |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:38:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: awdsuperstar]
[#31]
I just listed an item for sale. I received a message saying someone accepted the price. So I had to message them and ask how they wanted to pay. They then asked for more pictures and had questions. Meanwhile, my ad is closed and waiting on the buyer to decide if he is buying.....
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:39:20 PM EDT
[#32]
I hate change.
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AR, USA
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:43:35 PM EDT
[#33]
Nice.
That sounds like some much-needed improvements. Thanks GB |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:47:40 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By awdsuperstar: I just listed an item for sale. I received a message saying someone accepted the price. So I had to message them and ask how they wanted to pay. They then asked for more pictures and had questions. Meanwhile, my ad is closed and waiting on the buyer to decide if he is buying..... That is messed up that your ad is closed when you haven't even secured the funds. Quit trying to reinvent the EE.... |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:49:11 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By awdsuperstar: I just listed an item for sale. I received a message saying someone accepted the price. So I had to message them and ask how they wanted to pay. They then asked for more pictures and had questions. Meanwhile, my ad is closed and waiting on the buyer to decide if he is buying..... Wow. |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:52:10 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By awdsuperstar: I just listed an item for sale. I received a message saying someone accepted the price. So I had to message them and ask how they wanted to pay. They then asked for more pictures and had questions. Meanwhile, my ad is closed and waiting on the buyer to decide if he is buying..... If the potential buyer changes his mind, is that an automatic welch? |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 12:53:32 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SC4eyes: Nice. That sounds like some much-needed improvements. Thanks GB What where some of the challenges in your 2 transactions? |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 1:02:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: awdsuperstar]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 67Firebird: If the potential buyer changes his mind, is that an automatic welch? By him saying he wanted it, my ad got marked as sold. I just check his feedback, big surprise, he has negatives for saying he wanted it then asking for more pictures and then not buying. Edit: I think I screwed myself by hitting accept before researching the "buyer". Lesson learned Edit 2: When I clicked accept, it marked it sold. |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 1:05:07 PM EDT
[#39]
Sounds like lots of welching to me.
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Posted: 3/10/2024 1:06:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By awdsuperstar: By him saying he wanted it, my ad got marked as sold. I just check his feedback, big surprise, he has negatives for saying he wanted it then asking for more pictures and then not buying. Negative fb that is not resolved should not have the ability to sell or purchase in the EE. |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 1:08:11 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cardplayer: Negative fb that is not resolved should not have the ability to sell or purchase in the EE. I agree |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 1:09:52 PM EDT
[#42]
Easy rule - no pics, no bumping. That includes "text/email for pics"
People who are lazy should get zero benefit outside of the initial listing. |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 1:10:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mindfull]
[#43]
What was wrong with the old EE?
Why was a complete change even needed? The old EE was smooth, simple and idiot proof. Honestly, this looks like more of a way for arfcom to make $ on EE ads(which is completely fine by me, people got to make money). But thats how its coming across to me. |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 1:18:51 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mindfull: What was wrong with the old EE? Why was a complete change even needed? The old EE was smooth, simple and idiot proof. I'm curious about this as well. |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 1:21:22 PM EDT
[#45]
Looks like parts bin sales/listings of multiple items in one ad is over with. That's a bummer.
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Posted: 3/10/2024 1:29:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NotIssued: When that 2 months or so is up, are all current ads getting deleted? Are we carrying over our feedback ratings? Where do we manage our new ads? Sorry folks needed sleep and catching up now. Fededback will remain. Current ads will remain for a while, but months is a rough window to motivate moving to the new system. New system has new tools to manage everything. Old manager still exists as well for old listings. |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 1:30:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cda97: I can't edit my for sale ad Old or new system and what happens? Link to listing? |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 1:32:46 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sorry_Your_Girl_Lost: Sounds pretty good. What does 1:1 feedback mean, can you further explain this? Just means that since this is transactional now feedback is related specifically to an item being listed and sold. You could see offers and select the one you want and those two parties are tied to the feedback. No random feedback to manage or manipulate. Easier to create reminders for folks to leave feedback as part of a deal. |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 1:34:41 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LongTrang: I can’t even post in the wtb section. Miss the old one already. WTB / WTT are no longer limited to a single category so now you list it in the category you want. This allows easy filtering/searching and to see them all, you can click on the button at the top for the type of sale you are looking for. (WTB for example.) |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 1:35:01 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoatBoy: We have thought about items like mags and need to find a solution that makes sense, but you are right for some items a higher quantity is logical. Right now the plan would be to re-list the ad once it's sold. Users can also sell them as a lot, if you had 10 mags you were selling as a single listing. "Pack of 10 Magpul Gen1 Magazines (Black)". The best long term solution would be to limit quantity based on item value. So an item of less than $10 can have a max quantity of 20, but an item of $10-$20 has a quantity limit of 10. We will play around with it and see what makes sense. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoatBoy: Originally Posted By charliedontsurf: So, if I have 20 mags for sale, I would have to sell one at a time because I'm a non Team member now? That's crazy. We have thought about items like mags and need to find a solution that makes sense, but you are right for some items a higher quantity is logical. Right now the plan would be to re-list the ad once it's sold. Users can also sell them as a lot, if you had 10 mags you were selling as a single listing. "Pack of 10 Magpul Gen1 Magazines (Black)". The best long term solution would be to limit quantity based on item value. So an item of less than $10 can have a max quantity of 20, but an item of $10-$20 has a quantity limit of 10. We will play around with it and see what makes sense. The simpler answer would be to allow certain categories of the EE to have different quantity limits. So if someone is selling mags, for instance, the quantity is higher than if someone is selling rifles. Changing these scaled attributes makes more sense. From a software perspective, your solution doesn't make a ton of sense to me. |
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