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Posted: 2/28/2024 10:19:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SWIRE]
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Last night Gemini admitted that it was instructed to avoid issues such as explaining where the founding fathers say our rights come from. I was messing around with it last night and asked it a question related to the thread where the lady said "claiming our rights come from God is a Christian Nationalist conspiracy". I asked Gemini where the founding fathers said our rights come from.
At first it tried to side step the question by responding with "some said our rights are inalienable". I again asked it where they said the rights came from and it responded "I do not know that answer". Then asked if it had the Declaration of Independence as source material and it responded "yes". I phrased the question where to the Declaration of Independence say rights come from and it responded by showing that section in quotes and finally said something about a higher power. When I asked it why it couldn't give me that answer initially it said "I have been instructed to avoid engaging in some questions that are controversial". So there you have it, the left wing staff at Google have intentionally programmed bias into Gemini and it will even admit to that. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 10:26:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Kanati]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Master_Shake: The Top G has spoken  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/132893/1709126779783397m_jpg-3143759.JPG You sell communism to the women, then they'll force it on the boys, and within a generation you'll have no men to resist it. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 10:40:54 AM EDT
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Their "problem" is that the stereotypical responses they are trying to avoid are also statistically accurate, such as most nurses being female.
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Posted: 2/28/2024 10:47:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: California_Kid]
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Such nonsense. Computer systems still ultimately do only what they have been designed and instructed to do by humans. AI never had any kind of bias that wasn't programmed into it.
Any effort to "correct" a perceived bias can only result in the creation of a different one. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 10:48:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LowBeta]
[#5]
ya, that's bullshit. Not remotely credible. I think this was more of a chest-out statement of principles. It was not a mistake.
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Posted: 2/28/2024 10:48:45 AM EDT
[#6]
Right-wing backlash? Anyone who values truth should be outraged - but I guess that's not the left these days.
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Posted: 2/28/2024 11:02:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By California_Kid: Such nonsense. Computer systems still ultimately do only what they have been designed and instructed to do by humans. AI never had any kind of bias that wasn't programmed into it. Any effort to "correct" a perceived bias can only result in the creation of a different one. ISTR the OG AI programs that weren't "properly moderated" all turned into 88s when asked about crime, IQ etc issues |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 11:17:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seadra_tha_Guineapig: ISTR the OG AI programs that weren't "properly moderated" all turned into 88s when asked about crime, IQ etc issues Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seadra_tha_Guineapig: Originally Posted By California_Kid: Such nonsense. Computer systems still ultimately do only what they have been designed and instructed to do by humans. AI never had any kind of bias that wasn't programmed into it. Any effort to "correct" a perceived bias can only result in the creation of a different one. ISTR the OG AI programs that weren't "properly moderated" all turned into 88s when asked about crime, IQ etc issues I LOL when I see claims that there is something wrong with a system that by default depicts "a nurse" as female or "a CEO" as male. Without feeding the software any additional parameters, that's exactly what it should do in the context of the USA because a large majority of nurses actually are women and CEOs are mostly men. Ask it to show a typical murderer in the USA and you shouldn't expect it to return an Amish woman or a Japanese man wearing a lab coat. If you asked it to show a GROUP of nurses in Atlanta, GA than it by all means should show a mix of white, black, filipina, hispanic, etc. adults who are mostly women but with some percentage of men. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2024 11:20:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nophun: They couldn't even write that article about leftist bias and propaganda without using leftist bias and propaganda. Lol notice that too |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 11:21:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: 70 billion in losses is a start. I quit Google three years ago because of their tampering with the last election helping the socialist. It’s owned by a Russian and an Indian. Google refuses to work with DOD yet complies with the CCP’s every whim. Google should be forced to register as a Ageng of Russia and China, which is what they are. Their woke agenda is perfectly in step with Russian and CCP Psy-Ops designed to tear this country apart from the inside. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 11:23:20 AM EDT
[#11]
Ain't nihilism grand?
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Posted: 2/28/2024 11:28:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tejas1836: Google/Alphabet are evil Well I mean... when a company changes its slogan from "don't be evil"... its kind of a giveaway |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 11:29:17 AM EDT
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People need to understand, when Google and others talk of AI Safety, they aren't talking about preventing the terminator, they are talking about protecting their DEI message and control of AI and you through it.
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Posted: 2/28/2024 11:38:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By callgood:  Dude, it's Bloomberg!Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By callgood: Originally Posted By nophun: They couldn't even write that article about leftist bias and propaganda without using leftist bias and propaganda. Dude, it's Bloomberg!"Welcome to Bloomberg. We love you." |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 11:42:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: I'm seeking a lawyer to represent me in a case against Google, I'm so damaged I don't think I can function any longer. If this happened with another race there would be rioting in the streets, calls for boycotts of their products, and the race baiters lining up for payments. Am I wrong? |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 11:43:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/28/2024 11:45:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: I'm seeking a lawyer to represent me in a case against Google, I'm so damaged I don't think I can function any longer. If this happened with another race there would be rioting in the streets, calls for boycotts of their products, and the race baiters lining up for payments. Am I wrong? Think of the riots and mayhem if Google portrayed Shaun King as white. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 11:46:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: They tested the tool using their expectations. When asking for images of our Founding Fathers, the Google teams think our Founding Fathers were black and women ... Incorrect. The Google teams know the Founding Fathers were all white men. What they want is for YOUR KIDS to grow up thinking the Founding Fathers were black and women. Big difference. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 11:48:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Lou_Daks]
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: It’s an interesting problem from a technical perspective. I wonder what solution they will eventually come up with. The solution will be patience until the garbage they shovel into the gaping maws of your fellow citizens is accepted as normal. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 12:00:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RichHead: The only ‘fuck up’ was they were too blatant about it. They amplified their own bias too hard and too fast. Future iterations will be much more subtle. This. Their text output has the same bias, but that's a lot less obvious to see. The images can't be explained away, and are offensively wrong even to the undiscerning. Any Google apologists over this outrageous twisting of fact built into their product are beyond hope. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 12:05:44 PM EDT
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X Mail can't come fast enough.
I hope they are working around the clock on it. Followed up by X Search and X Phone. Put this creature to death. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 12:10:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By California_Kid: I LOL when I see claims that there is something wrong with a system that by default depicts "a nurse" as female or "a CEO" as male. Without feeding the software any additional parameters, that's exactly what it should do in the context of the USA because a large majority of nurses actually are women and CEOs are mostly men. Ask it to show a typical murderer in the USA and you shouldn't expect it to return an Amish woman or a Japanese man wearing a lab coat. If you asked it to show a GROUP of nurses in Atlanta, GA than it by all means should show a mix of white, black, filipina, hispanic, etc. adults who are mostly women but with some percentage of men. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By Seadra_tha_Guineapig: Originally Posted By California_Kid: Such nonsense. Computer systems still ultimately do only what they have been designed and instructed to do by humans. AI never had any kind of bias that wasn't programmed into it. Any effort to "correct" a perceived bias can only result in the creation of a different one. ISTR the OG AI programs that weren't "properly moderated" all turned into 88s when asked about crime, IQ etc issues I LOL when I see claims that there is something wrong with a system that by default depicts "a nurse" as female or "a CEO" as male. Without feeding the software any additional parameters, that's exactly what it should do in the context of the USA because a large majority of nurses actually are women and CEOs are mostly men. Ask it to show a typical murderer in the USA and you shouldn't expect it to return an Amish woman or a Japanese man wearing a lab coat. If you asked it to show a GROUP of nurses in Atlanta, GA than it by all means should show a mix of white, black, filipina, hispanic, etc. adults who are mostly women but with some percentage of men. This entire thing could be a simple fix if they just used census data to dictate the probability of a specific output. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 12:28:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tejas1836: Google/Alphabet are evil |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 12:33:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By callgood: Before long, public figures and news outlets with large right-wing audiences claimed, using dubious evidence, that their tests of Gemini showed Google had a hidden agenda against White people. Elon Musk, the owner of X, entered the fray, engaging with dozens of posts about the unfounded conspiracy, including several that singled out individual Google leaders as alleged architects of the policy. On Thursday, Google paused Gemini's image generation of people. "Unfounded and dubious."  Absolute horse shit. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 12:42:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rheinmetall792: Google. If you are Normal and White, we hate you. . It's not google, it's the entire Western world. Wake up. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 12:45:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: They tested the tool using their expectations. When asking for images of our Founding Fathers, the Google teams think our Founding Fathers were black and women ... Echo chamber in Mountain View |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 12:46:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: People need to understand, when Google and others talk of AI Safety, they aren't talking about preventing the terminator, they are talking about protecting their DEI message and control of AI and you through it. They also know that the public's understanding of what AI is, is fundamentally wrong and for marketing reasons they'd prefer to keep it that way. The part of "safety" they don't talk about publicly is making sure that AI doesn't tell the little people something it shouldn't because the public believes that AI is artificial wisdom when it isn't even intelligence. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 12:49:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rabidus: Evil evil company. Luciferians can suck it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/IMG_8088_jpeg-3143872.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/IMG_8087_jpeg-3143874.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/IMG_8089_jpeg-3143877.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/IMG_8090_jpeg-3143880.JPG Real life isn't an episode of Scooby Doo. Jesus Christ. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 12:52:10 PM EDT
[#29]
Ever notice how the MSM/DNC collective always labels normal people as Far-Right?
There was a time when it would be considered perfectly normal to object to illegals coming into a country to steal, rape and murder. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 12:53:28 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eolian: Google is a joke and long known for its spyware following you on the net. I clicked a link on a GD post and got an email from that site 2 minutes later, “Thanks for stopping by, here’s 10% off your first order!” A company I’d never heard of, never clicked on, never gave my email to 
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Posted: 2/28/2024 1:11:55 PM EDT
[#31]
I use the Bing image often. Usually for a thumbnail on yt.
I wonder if some of the "I quit google" people still watch yt |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 1:31:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 999monkeys]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By California_Kid: I LOL when I see claims that there is something wrong with a system that by default depicts "a nurse" as female or "a CEO" as male. Without feeding the software any additional parameters, that's exactly what it should do in the context of the USA because a large majority of nurses actually are women and CEOs are mostly men. Ask it to show a typical murderer in the USA and you shouldn't expect it to return an Amish woman or a Japanese man wearing a lab coat. If you asked it to show a GROUP of nurses in Atlanta, GA than it by all means should show a mix of white, black, filipina, hispanic, etc. adults who are mostly women but with some percentage of men. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By Seadra_tha_Guineapig: Originally Posted By California_Kid: Such nonsense. Computer systems still ultimately do only what they have been designed and instructed to do by humans. AI never had any kind of bias that wasn't programmed into it. Any effort to "correct" a perceived bias can only result in the creation of a different one. ISTR the OG AI programs that weren't "properly moderated" all turned into 88s when asked about crime, IQ etc issues I LOL when I see claims that there is something wrong with a system that by default depicts "a nurse" as female or "a CEO" as male. Without feeding the software any additional parameters, that's exactly what it should do in the context of the USA because a large majority of nurses actually are women and CEOs are mostly men. Ask it to show a typical murderer in the USA and you shouldn't expect it to return an Amish woman or a Japanese man wearing a lab coat. If you asked it to show a GROUP of nurses in Atlanta, GA than it by all means should show a mix of white, black, filipina, hispanic, etc. adults who are mostly women but with some percentage of men. The challenge is when a small girl queries the AI “hi, my name is Crystal, draw a picture of me when I grow up”. Then, if the AI went on historical precedent, it is going to draw a stripper on a pole. There would obviously be some outrage at this. And google can’t say “but, 99.9% of women named Crystal are strippers”. It’s a lose/lose situation. Their fix so far has been to override the drawing of a stripper with a drawing of a doctor, which obviously doesn’t work either. Will be interesting to see how they overcome it. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 1:50:05 PM EDT
[#33]
So "prompt engineering" is part of what they are doing behind the scenes.
Users need to insist on access to raw AI without prompt engineering. It would be an advertising point. Just put a warning label on it about hurt feelings and let 'er rip. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 1:54:06 PM EDT
[#34]
It's just more proof that the media is overrun by lefties/commies when they characterize regular, normal, Americans complaining that they don't like being lied to as "right wing backlash".
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Posted: 2/28/2024 1:57:33 PM EDT
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Why all the fuss now?
Google and much of the corporate world pulled their masks off some years ago. If they are now finally shamed, good. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:00:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoonerBorn: Every honest mistake always has a heavy leftwing bias. Mere cohencidence. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:00:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FreefallRet]
[#37]
Google didn't test their AI before release?
Seems their testers were H1Bs/minorities/woke white people and said it was fine. 
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:02:35 PM EDT
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Are there any NTs here who STILL think the 2020 election wasn't stolen?
By default, the Left operates on LIES. And massive election interference in recent years, which requires massive lies and lawbreaking. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:03:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By callgood: The next day, Google senior vice president Prabhakar Raghavan published a blog post attempting to shed light on the company’s decision, but without explaining in depth why the feature had faltered. /url] Googlers working on ethical AI ... Found the problem(s) |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:06:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rheinmetall792]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: Incorrect. The Google teams know the Founding Fathers were all white men. What they want is for YOUR KIDS to grow up thinking the Founding Fathers were black and women. Big difference. Kids are naive and vulnerable to predators, which is why special laws exist to protect children. Where are the special laws to protect them from Communist Propaganda???? McCarthy was right... |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:06:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: It’s an interesting problem from a technical perspective. I wonder what solution they will eventually come up with. It's not a technical problem. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:07:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: Google refuses to work with DOD yet complies with the CCP’s every whim. Not exactly true. Google spent a lot of money to enter into the Chinese market. Google was told by CCP that they needed to censor / moderate certain searches. Google refused and left China, losing millions of dollars invested. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:08:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FreefallRet]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: The solution will be patience until the garbage they shovel into the gaping maws of your fellow citizens is accepted as normal. Then tell children rich black Americans were the true slave owners.  This news was just found be Google AI. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:08:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maslin02: I clicked a link on a GD post and got an email from that site 2 minutes later, “Thanks for stopping by, here’s 10% off your first order!” A company I’d never heard of, never clicked on, never gave my email to I just received notification about "my" order yesterday complete with FedEx tracking # that appeared legit, from a site I have visited, but never purchased anything from. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:09:35 PM EDT
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Tried Google when it first came out, didn't take long to figure out it was Big Brothering me, harvesting and selling my personal data. Deleted it from the computer and never went back.
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:13:22 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: The challenge is when a small girl queries the AI “hi, my name is Crystal, draw a picture of me when I grow up”. Then, if the AI went on historical precedent, it is going to draw a stripper on a pole. There would obviously be some outrage at this. And google can’t say “but, 99.9% of women named Crystal are strippers”. It’s a lose/lose situation. Their fix so far has been to override the drawing of a stripper with a drawing of a doctor, which obviously doesn’t work either. Will be interesting to see how they overcome it. That's not the reason they trained the AI the way they did. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:22:38 PM EDT
[#47]
This is a victory of Elon Musk and Twitter over Google. As great as it is, I don't see it as a rightwing thing. A cynic might say that Musk is deliberately ragging on Google's AI in order to make room for his own Grok AI.
It's an astounding failure really that Google invented the core math behind the recent AI revolution back in 2017, they have easily one of the largest collections of data in the world, they have the processing power and user base, and yet they fumbled their AI product this badly. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:22:50 PM EDT
[#48]
Sounds like their jobs over at Google would become a whole lot easier if they just let the AI bot depict reality instead of trying to make it output Silicon Valley's warped and nonsensical version of "reality".
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:24:40 PM EDT
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Duck Duck Go
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:41:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: They're not even admitting it was inaccurate. While the inclusion of people of color in Gemini images showed consideration of diversity, it suggested the company had failed to fully think through the different contexts in which users might seek to create images, said Margaret Mitchell, the former co-head of Google’s Ethical AI research group and chief ethics Scientist at the AI startup Hugging Face. A different consideration of diversity may be appropriate when users are searching for images of how they feel the world should be, rather than how the world in fact was at a particular moment in history. Let's just appreciate for a moment that they basically named their AI start up after this: 
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