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Posted: 1/12/2023 10:36:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By H4ppyB34r: Same place sells Head Lok screws https://www.loghomestore.com/product/log-hog-screws/ I love these, always keep a box or 2 in the truck. Amazing grip and pull out resistance, plus the big head\washer are nice Same manufacturer. But the headlocks are best for really hard material like OSB. I much prefer the 5/16 drive for the log hogs when it comes to the logs themselves. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 10:47:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FDC: Shutters of some type to keep animals out when you're not there? Obviously no real way to keep people out. Would be a bit easier than screwing plywood over the windows and then unscrewing it every trip. Yeah I’m going to make some hinged covers for the windows. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 11:01:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Usernames: Have you considered doing a youtube series on it to get some revenue to recoup some money's? There is probably several hours of video editing time for every 10-15 minute youtube video, if you know what you are doing with the editing software. There is a learning curve to most good editing software. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 12:03:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: You don’t want log spikes you need log hogs and for this they need to be 9” What species of wood are you using? The weight guestimations are pretty high. For instance I can lift a 6x12x16’ by myself and I am an out of shape middle-aged dude. Are these peeled or millled? I most definitely recommend milled. Those look nice. Definitely gonna order some of those. I was getting the weight specs off the local lumber place’s website. But haven’t gone there in person yet.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 12:04:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Usernames: Have you considered doing a youtube series on it to get some revenue to recoup some money's? I have considered it. Especially if we decide to live there full time for some extra income. Would have to make my wife the face of it. No one wants to watch me yammer for 20 minutes. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 12:05:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: Same manufacturer. But the headlocks are best for really hard material like OSB. I much prefer the 5/16 drive for the log hogs when it comes to the logs themselves. How far apart do you space them/how many do I need? |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 12:11:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Atropian_Defector]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FDC: Shutters of some type to keep animals out when you're not there? Obviously no real way to keep people out. Would be a bit easier than screwing plywood over the windows and then unscrewing it every trip. Illegal to lock the cabin anyways. People must be able to access in case of emergency ETA: Could be wrong, but this was per an Alaska State Trooper I know. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 1:03:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DoverGunner]
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Posted: 1/13/2023 1:37:35 AM EDT
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Who/what owns the land between your property line and that road?
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Posted: 1/13/2023 3:16:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Atropian_Defector: Illegal to lock the cabin anyways. People must be able to access in case of emergency ETA: Could be wrong, but this was per an Alaska State Trooper I know.  We lock our fish-camp up now. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 3:25:57 AM EDT
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Im excited to watch this play out! I’m in ANC, the wife and I got 10 acre in willow this past fall. Planning on building this summer as well. It’ll be fun watching yours come together!
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Posted: 1/13/2023 5:02:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BillofRights]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rosta97: Alright so let’s talk about the land I did get. So what was I looking for? Want a recreational cabin for now. Somewhere to spend weekends and a week or two here or there to disconnect from technology and reconnect with nature. My wife is hell bent on making it our permanent residence in the future but likely won’t be until the kids are grown. Wanted something off the beaten path with hunting and or fishing nearby. Ideally wanted something off the road system to avoid anyone just going by. Wanted something that we could easily get to on a Friday night after work so we could go on just a regular short weekend. For example we found an awesome cabin in Homer with an ocean view; but at 580 miles away it would be a once maybe twice a year thing. That distance is like if you lived in New York City and bought a cabin in Halifax Nova Scotia. So we decided we wanted something within about 120 miles from our house or so. So when the new land auction came out we reviewed all the options and there was really only one area we were interested in and it hand 8 or so parcels available in the area. The area is about 85 miles from our house up in the hills and in good hunting area(we found caribou remains on the property when we went to check it out). It seemed like a good balance of everything we wanted so we decided to bid on 2 adjacent parcels. One that was 18 acres and one that was 16. We ended up winning the 18 acre one and losing the 16 by about $500. Of course hind sight being 20/20 you kick yourself “of course I would have paid $500 more for it”. But remember it was sealed bid so you had no idea if anyone else even bid and you don’t really want to pay thousands over appraised value if you don’t have to. I kinda of went back and forth do I just eat the deposit and give up the 18 since I really wanted more acreage than 18. But ultimately decided 18 would be good enough. Looking around at land out there it seems a lot of people buy it and then never do anything with it. And seems most people don’t visit theirs in the winter at all. So hopefully won’t be an issue. So let’s talk a little more about the parcel I did get. Like I said it’s about 18 and a half acres. Has other land owners with similar size parcels on the left and right. But no one behind it for near as makes no difference forever(in reality it’s like 25 miles ). The parcel itself is about 75 miles from the Arctic circle. It sits at about 3,000ft of elevation and is entirely south facing. The closest town to the parcel is the town of Central, AK. Population 38. It’s a big gold mining town with the miners only living there in the summer for the most part. It has a bar/restaurant/gas station/ hotel/ general store/laundry mat(it’s all one business in the same building) and a post office. Central is about 50 road miles from my property. Fairbanks(where I live now) being the next closest at 90 miles or so. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/231690/A576D95A-5084-48B6-B08A-828E485F72D8_png-2668467.JPG The weather there can be unforgiving. It’s a cold windy bitch in the winter. Will hit -90 with wind chill a few times a winter. In the summer it’s nice. Wind keeps the mosquitoes away while it’s blowing. Blue berries everywhere. The winter starts early and end late. This is a picture I took near there in late September https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/231690/3EA0A876-9E75-4FCE-A48C-461E3143B665_jpe-2668482.JPG Common wildlife is caribou, moose, grizzlies, wolfs. So one of the better parts is in Alaska if you aren’t in a borough(think county) you don’t pay property tax and my property is just outside the borough line so there is no property tax. I have made an MS paint to illustrate this. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/231690/9FCBD1E1-F085-4C84-A0E1-86F2C81C887B_jpe-2668480.JPG The land isn’t road accessible; but the trail to it can be driven by a 4x4 truck or SUV in the summer. This is a big plus for hauling stuff out. I’m not sure if I’ll be able to get my trailer up it, but my truck will no problem. It isn’t plowed in the winter obviously so snowmachines are the only way to get to it in the winter. It is about 6 trail miles from the road. Here is approximately the property. The pin is the corner and I estimated the lines from there. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/231690/73AD27F6-9CE6-414D-B686-D7F96ED33ECF_jpe-2668483.JPG You can see the trail to get to it on the map as well. Here is a picture I took on the ground when I went to check it out. The land is approximately where I am pointing. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/231690/A9AAAA59-6DA6-4BA8-ADAF-3FB9158E3AE9_jpe-2668485.JPG That’s awesome Rosta97. Congrats. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 6:59:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: pdm]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By H4ppyB34r: Same place sells Head Lok screws https://www.loghomestore.com/product/log-hog-screws/ I love these, always keep a box or 2 in the truck. Amazing grip and pull out resistance, plus the big head\washer are nice I use Log hog or Wood pro depending on the application. I also use permachink from the same place, Log Home store. That stuff lasts forever….and a big tube goes a long way if you prep accordingly. Wow…just looked…it's almost doubled in price. I paid $180 for a case of the big tube a couple years ago. It's up around $350 now. Covid is the best thing that's ever happended to these companies bottom line it seems. Here's a link to the Woodpro in 6" that I usually buy for the work around here. If I need to I use a spade bit to countersink and get the right depth. I want to say that the 5/16 ones are equivelant to a 3/8" lag bolt in holding power. What's great about both is that they are recoverable….which is helpful when building with screws that cost on the order on $1/per. I have a box that I use over and over for projects and also a box or two of new ones for permanent applications. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 10:29:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Rosta97]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Atropian_Defector: Illegal to lock the cabin anyways. People must be able to access in case of emergency ETA: Could be wrong, but this was per an Alaska State Trooper I know. While a common etiquette; I’ve never heard of it being a law. And google doesn’t seem to find one supporting it either. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 10:30:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fulcrum-5: Who/what owns the land between your property line and that road? The state. All the parcels are set about 100m off the trail. It works out because the elevation starts to go down so you can’t see any cabins from the trail. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 10:32:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pdm: I use Log hog or Wood pro depending on the application. I also use permachink from the same place, Log Home store. That stuff lasts forever….and a big tube goes a long way if you prep accordingly. Wow…just looked…it's almost doubled in price. I paid $180 for a case of the big tube a couple years ago. It's up around $350 now. Covid is the best thing that's ever happended to these companies bottom line it seems. Here's a link to the Woodpro in 6" that I usually buy for the work around here. If I need to I use a spade bit to countersink and get the right depth. I want to say that the 5/16 ones are equivelant to a 3/8" lag bolt in holding power. What's great about both is that they are recoverable….which is helpful when building with screws that cost on the order on $1/per. I have a box that I use over and over for projects and also a box or two of new ones for permanent applications. Are you familiar with a fabric cloth type material to lay inbetween the logs? I don’t have a picture but it’s what I’ve seen used in the past. Certainly wasn’t really planning on $1,000 between caulk and screws. But I did pick up all the windows last night for $100. They aren’t great but they will do for now without spending $2,400 on new windows. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 2:07:07 PM EDT
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I do have at least one piece of the puzzle built. And that is the outhouse. My parents house came with what I can only assume is a shack built for kids to wait for the school bus in. But I’m repurposing it to my outhouse. Just going to need to cut a hole in the bench.
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Posted: 1/13/2023 2:28:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rosta97: I do have at least one piece of the puzzle built. And that is the outhouse. My parents house came with what I can only assume is a shack built for kids to wait for the school bus in. But I’m repurposing it to my outhouse. Just going to need to cut a hole in the bench. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/231690/17A9DA6B-FA8C-47C7-A0A7-39E0D96F48FC_jpe-2670502.JPG Don't forget the hidden emergency pistol/shotgun in the outhouse. Just In Case. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 2:33:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/13/2023 2:35:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rosta97: Are you familiar with a fabric cloth type material to lay inbetween the logs? I don't have a picture but it's what I've seen used in the past. Certainly wasn't really planning on $1,000 between caulk and screws. But I did pick up all the windows last night for $100. They aren't great but they will do for now without spending $2,400 on new windows. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 3:17:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akcaribouhunter: In all the alaska shows the people use foam rolls in between the logs. Yeah I guess foam is the better way to describe it. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 3:33:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pdm]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rosta97: Are you familiar with a fabric cloth type material to lay inbetween the logs? I don’t have a picture but it’s what I’ve seen used in the past. Certainly wasn’t really planning on $1,000 between caulk and screws. But I did pick up all the windows last night for $100. They aren’t great but they will do for now without spending $2,400 on new windows. There's all sorts of chinking techniques. Lots of folks use wire screen and mortar mix. For a hand built cabin I wouldn't suggest permachink as you'd go through a ton of it due to the inconsistencies of the log gaps. I'd still pick 2 or 3 big tubes though for use around the exterior…windows, doors, etc…I use it mainly for exterior log checks to keep water out of those cracks. Stuff is great for that. As for the screws….I'd buy a box or two even if you spike the logs….you're going to need them and they are handy. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 3:50:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pdm: There's all sorts of chinking techniques. Lots of folks use wire screen and mortar mix. For a hand built cabin I wouldn't suggest permachink as you'd go through a ton of it due to the inconsistencies of the log gaps. I'd still pick 2 or 3 big tubes though for use around the exterior windows, doors, etc I use it mainly for exterior log checks to keep water out of those cracks. Stuff is great for that. As for the screws .I'd buy a box or two even if you spike the logs .you're going to need them and they are handy. Hiemo and others on Last Alaskans used foam,moss and other local ways. My grandparents and great grandparents used moss and willow to China. Only later in life did they build with dimensional wood. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 3:58:49 PM EDT
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If you are chinking the logs, the absolute only material I can endorse is Perma-chink. It actually stays in like it should. But the logs you showed are milled and shouldn’t require it…depending on the profile.
As well they look to be D-logs? If so I would be doing dovetails. Additionally I prefer caulk between the logs as opposed to foam. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 4:21:43 PM EDT
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In on this build thread.
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Posted: 1/13/2023 4:23:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: If you are chinking the logs, the absolute only material I can endorse is Perma-chink. It actually stays in like it should. But the logs you showed are milled and shouldn’t require it…depending on the profile. As well they look to be D-logs? If so I would be doing dovetails. Additionally I prefer caulk between the logs as opposed to foam. I believe those prices are for 4 sided. But I’m going there tomorrow to talk to them and if they have D logs for cheaper those are what I will do. I know there are better methods than butt and pass. But it’s definitely the easiest and that’s what I’m going for since I’m trying to throw this up in a summer while I work full time. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 4:29:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Atropian_Defector: Illegal to lock the cabin anyways. People must be able to access in case of emergency ETA: Could be wrong, but this was per an Alaska State Trooper I know. Every non-public cabin I know of, including mine, is always locked. If you can't find it in the state statutes, it doesn't matter what some guy said. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 4:36:35 PM EDT
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My dad in front of our cabin, just west of Petersburg. Pretty close to your region. Will be following interesting thread
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Posted: 1/13/2023 6:38:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By taliv: Is rainwater collection something people do in alaska? If it’s snow It’s not going in the tank til spring right? Yes, many. Very common if you're not in town, especially in southeast Alaska which is a temperate rainforest |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 6:39:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rosta97: Certainly could melt snow in the winter. There are also a couple creeks nearby. But until/if it becomes a full time residence I’ll likely just be bringing water with me. If there's creeks nearby, you're good. We have a creek next to our cabin that's been the sole drinking water source for 100 years in our family. If you'd like to boil it, great. Unless the salmon are spawning, a fast moving creek will likely be the best water you've had |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 7:11:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BayEagle: Tag I watched Aviator's thread with interest. RIP. Same same. And Alaska is very much calling my name; haven't been yet, but plan to very soon. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 7:14:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rosta97: I do have at least one piece of the puzzle built. And that is the outhouse. My parents house came with what I can only assume is a shack built for kids to wait for the school bus in. But I’m repurposing it to my outhouse. Just going to need to cut a hole in the bench. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/231690/17A9DA6B-FA8C-47C7-A0A7-39E0D96F48FC_jpe-2670502.JPG Watch out for those degens from up country 
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Posted: 1/13/2023 7:15:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah: Same same. And Alaska is very much calling my name; haven't been yet, but plan to very soon. Careful; you might never leave. I haven’t been to every state. But I have been to 42 of them and the freedom here is unmatched. Not just guns but everything. I always joke Alaska’s motto should be “Alaska; you do what you want.” |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 1:54:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By withoutremorse42: My dad in front of our cabin, just west of Petersburg. Pretty close to your region. Will be following interesting thread https://i.imgur.com/cKGes5ch.jpg Petersburg is nowhere near his region… 
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Posted: 1/14/2023 2:29:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: southeast_scrounger]
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Posted: 1/14/2023 3:28:46 AM EDT
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OP, make sure you include bear boards and window shutters that are easy to deal with summer/winter, also, you need to seal the floor from underneath(think plywood) then overlay sheet metal to keep the animals from eating thru it...including on the lower walls as well...For restrooms..bottom 1/3rd of a 55 gallon drum in an outhouse is about the easiest way to deal with shit...just like the army, you burn it with diesel..we have been doing that with our cabins for years, everything else is just a headache that is going to cover you in shit sooner or later..
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Posted: 1/14/2023 3:32:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Atropian_Defector: Illegal to lock the cabin anyways. People must be able to access in case of emergency ETA: Could be wrong, but this was per an Alaska State Trooper I know. Sort of...Ours are locked and the state has zero issues with it... but I was done with people stealing shit...leaving food and bring bears in..we leave a map on the wall of the outhouse, 5 gals gas, a blanket and 2 bottles of water...they can survive if they are smart... |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 3:33:47 AM EDT
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I need to tag and subscribe to this thread.
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Posted: 1/14/2023 4:25:10 AM EDT
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awesome, Thats a dream of mine
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Posted: 1/14/2023 10:56:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rosta97: Careful; you might never leave. I haven't been to every state. But I have been to 42 of them and the freedom here is unmatched. Not just guns but everything. I always joke Alaska's motto should be "Alaska; you do what you want." It seems to have everything important to me: endless space, lax gun laws, epic alpine climbing, pumping waves, off-the-charts beauty... What's not to like? 
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Posted: 1/14/2023 1:47:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Atropian_Defector: Petersburg is nowhere near his region… Coffman cove is 56 miles south, not far at all in Alaska miles |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 2:17:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
It seems to have everything important to me: endless space, lax gun laws, epic alpine climbing, pumping waves, off-the-charts beauty... What's not to like? /quote]High fucking prices of everything!  How rural do ya want to go?  |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 2:19:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By withoutremorse42:
Originally Posted By Atropian_Defector: Petersburg is nowhere near his region [/quoteCoffman cove is 56 miles south, not far at all in Alaska miles[/quote OP is in the Interior near North Pole/Fairbanks. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 2:26:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FDC: Shutters of some type to keep animals out when you're not there? Obviously no real way to keep people out. Would be a bit easier than screwing plywood over the windows and then unscrewing it every trip. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 2:33:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akcaribouhunter: Originally Posted By withoutremorse42: Originally Posted By Atropian_Defector: Petersburg is nowhere near his region [/quoteCoffman cove is 56 miles south, not far at all in Alaska miles[/quote OP is in the Interior near North Pole/Fairbanks. Aah, I was going off the state land sale document, assumed that was the specific parcel OP was buying |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 3:17:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akcaribouhunter: High fucking prices of everything! How rural do ya want to go? I wanna be rural... but not R-U-R-A-L. I can totally see how costs could get pretty outta hand up in those parts. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 3:33:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By withoutremorse42: Aah, I was going off the state land sale document, assumed that was the specific parcel OP was buying Yeah that was just a random parcel I screen grabbed. Mine is near Central. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 4:28:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rosta97: Yeah that was just a random parcel I screen grabbed. Mine is near Central. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rosta97: Originally Posted By withoutremorse42: Aah, I was going off the state land sale document, assumed that was the specific parcel OP was buying Yeah that was just a random parcel I screen grabbed. Mine is near Central. Roger that. The interior is still pretty cool, even if not SE cool  Definitely have to worry about bigger critters up there, a grizzly trying to get into a cabin is a hell of a force. Will be watching the thread with interest, even if I lack accuracy in my assumptions 
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Posted: 1/14/2023 6:48:39 PM EDT
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Went around to the lumber places and what not today. $4.81 a foot for 3 sided 6x6x20ft logs with a 6-8 week wait for them. So gonna put that order in this week.
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Posted: 1/14/2023 6:49:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rosta97: Went around to the lumber places and what not today. $4.81 a foot for 3 sided 6x6x20ft logs with a 6-8 week wait for them. So gonna put that order in this week.   |
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