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Posted: 5/3/2024 7:55:46 PM EDT
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Good to hear, let some stress go and enjoy the next few days.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 8:04:35 PM EDT
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Awesome! Now take a breath.
Ballpark, how much did this cost you out of pocket? |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 8:09:50 PM EDT
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Congrats.
Hopefully this is laid to rest and all involved can move forward with their lives. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 8:29:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/3/2024 8:40:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: Now this is some slimy I'll say perjury bullshit. How can the mom file with probate to keep the estate open for another year because of the upcoming trial. Then the NEXT DAY dismiss the suit? I find it hard to believe she didn't know her lawyers were filing to dismiss. She knew damn well there was not going to be a trial on the 21st. Maybe the parents really are going to keep looking for someone to refile against me? Good Luck. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/keep_open-3204609.jpg Is there any means to force closure of the estate? It's continued existence is doing measurable harm, and it's continued existence is fraudulent. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 8:45:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: The bad guys lawyers filed a R.41 dismissal. In Ohio that means they have 1 year to start it all over again, but as of today it's over. This entire thing was a bullshit bluff all along. We called them on it and didn't offer a penny in settlement. They knew they would never win at trial so they quit. They can refile, but their lawyers know its a lost cause and, and I can't imagine any other lawyers will want to pick this up and expect a different outcome. Thanks for all the support, it's been a wild ride, and fortunately the bad guys lost. To better understand how bad the trial would have gone for them read this - parents depositions. Imagine my attorneys cross examining them in front of a jury! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: The bad guys lawyers filed a R.41 dismissal. In Ohio that means they have 1 year to start it all over again, but as of today it's over. This entire thing was a bullshit bluff all along. We called them on it and didn't offer a penny in settlement. They knew they would never win at trial so they quit. They can refile, but their lawyers know its a lost cause and, and I can't imagine any other lawyers will want to pick this up and expect a different outcome. Thanks for all the support, it's been a wild ride, and fortunately the bad guys lost. To better understand how bad the trial would have gone for them read this - parents depositions. Imagine my attorneys cross examining them in front of a jury! Originally Posted By cornhskr: ADCO will come out victorious. I have spoken. Posted 04-15-2024 |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 8:45:55 PM EDT
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win!!!!!!!
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Posted: 5/3/2024 8:47:23 PM EDT
[#8]
Congratulations!
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Posted: 5/3/2024 8:57:48 PM EDT
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Out damn standing!!!!!!
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 8:58:29 PM EDT
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Glad to hear it! Congratulations and fuck those assholes.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:00:35 PM EDT
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Congratulations.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:00:43 PM EDT
[#12]
CONGRATS ADCO AND STEVE!
If only it could have been sooner and cheaper. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:01:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jayne_Cobb: It's a spite move. Keeping the estate open costs them almost nothing while costing you thousands. Rinse and repeat every year. Is there any means to force closure of the estate? It's continued existence is doing measurable harm, and it's continued existence is fraudulent. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jayne_Cobb: Originally Posted By bigbore: Now this is some slimy I'll say perjury bullshit. How can the mom file with probate to keep the estate open for another year because of the upcoming trial. Then the NEXT DAY dismiss the suit? I find it hard to believe she didn't know her lawyers were filing to dismiss. She knew damn well there was not going to be a trial on the 21st. Maybe the parents really are going to keep looking for someone to refile against me? Good Luck. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/keep_open-3204609.jpg Is there any means to force closure of the estate? It's continued existence is doing measurable harm, and it's continued existence is fraudulent. This. It reeks of abuse of process and an objective judge would likely not look favorably at the situation. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:01:54 PM EDT
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@bigbore
Does this mean I might be able to get the 1917 front seal?  Again, super glad you beat the bastards. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:04:07 PM EDT
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Yee Haw!!! That's great news, Congratulations...I'm sorry our legal system put you through all this.
I've followed this thread since the beginning and hoped it would be a positive outcome. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:04:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: @bigbore Does this mean I might be able to get the 1917 front seal? Again, super glad you beat the bastards. email me, I'll send find one of my spare personal o-rings and shims. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:06:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: email me, I'll send find one of my spare personal o-rings and shims. Wow, man I really appreciate that. Only if it isn't putting you out. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:09:29 PM EDT
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Congrats. I read the disposition of the "expert" witness and wow what a clown. It's crazy that the attorneys even presented him for the disposition. I can just imagine them face-palming themselves reading it...
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:09:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: If your friend truly wants to extend greetings and salutations, all that info is public and available at the docket link I posted above. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By hawkin: So when this is all over will we have addresses and phone numbers made available to send gifts and words of encouragment calls to the prosecuting attorney and deranged family? Asking for a friend… If your friend truly wants to extend greetings and salutations, all that info is public and available at the docket link I posted above. TIMLEY BUMP
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:13:21 PM EDT
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I was recently offered to opportunity to buy a successful turnkey LGS. I turned it down, knowing I would eventually face the same bullshit OP has had to deal with.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:15:37 PM EDT
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Good deal for you bad deal for me I was looking forward to your trial updates.
Now to find another thread to leave open in a tab on my phone and computer for months. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:17:04 PM EDT
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Glad the outcome was in your favor but it was way too long.
Lawfare is a thing. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:17:24 PM EDT
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Congrats. ADCO is one of the better industry sponsors. They have a lot of interaction on the forums. My favorite is someone trying to get a pinned flash hider off by themselves. Not saying this can't be done but if you are asking questions in GD you probably are gonna have issues. They pop in and say hey we offer this service for x amount. 2-3 pages later smash cut to a ruined barrel.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:17:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: The bad guys lawyers filed a R.41 dismissal. In Ohio that means they have 1 year to start it all over again, but as of today it's over. This entire thing was a bullshit bluff all along. We called them on it and didn't offer a penny in settlement. They knew they would never win at trial so they quit. They can refile, but their lawyers know its a lost cause and, and I can't imagine any other lawyers will want to pick this up and expect a different outcome. Thanks for all the support, it's been a wild ride, and fortunately the bad guys lost. To better understand how bad the trial would have gone for them read this - parents depositions. Imagine my attorneys cross examining them in front of a jury! What a sad story - and I'm only on page 39. Our politics certainly differ, but I wouldn't wish the loss of a child on anyone. Sounds like mental illness runs in the family. Thank God they finally threw in the towel. Congratulations, OP! |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:19:44 PM EDT
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Glad to learn this.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:22:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aod886: Awesome! Now take a breath. Ballpark, how much did this cost you out of pocket? Depends on how you calculate it. In checks written just for "lawsuit stuff" under $15K. I had to close my shop to attend the depositions, court ordered meetings, drive downtown and pay for parking. Lost business and lost personal time has a value to me, but not sure how to price that. I paid an extra $10K a year in insurance the last 2 years that I don't believe I'd be paying if this didn't happen. Actually, the insurance carrier I found to replace my carrier that dropped me - also dropped me last month. (No one wants you if you have an open claim with a death) I did find another carrier at the last minute, at an even higher rate. With my new carrier, my next premium is due before the year expires so I'll count that as another 10K if they renew. By my math - my bank account will have at least $50K less in it because of this lawsuit - *If I get reasonable insurance when this really over. That money has to come from somewhere, and I see it as coming from my annual SEP (retirement) contribution. So the kick in my nuts at the end of the day is this will cost me a year of my life that I will have to delay retirement to compensate to meet my retirement funding goals. And don't ask my wife about the lost sleep, nightmares, "parts not working as they should" etc in the first few months as I was trying to figure out what I did wrong. I was convinced they had to have something on me to do this, and it ate me up because I couldn't think of anything they could have. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:27:25 PM EDT
[#27]
Good to hear that you’re getting some closure with the dismissal.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:32:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: Depends on how you calculate it. In checks written just for "lawsuit stuff" under $15K. I had to close my shop to attend the depositions, court ordered meetings, drive downtown and pay for parking. Lost business and lost personal time has a value to me, but not sure how to price that. I paid an extra $10K a year in insurance the last 2 years that I don't believe I'd be paying if this didn't happen. Actually, the insurance carrier I found to replace my carrier that dropped me - also dropped me last month. (No one wants you if you have an open claim with a death) I did find another carrier at the last minute, at an even higher rate. With my new carrier, my next premium is due before the year expires so I'll count that as another 10K if they renew. By my math - my bank account will have at least $50K less in it because of this lawsuit - *If I get reasonable insurance when this really over. That money has to come from somewhere, and I see it as coming from my annual SEP (retirement) contribution. So the kick in my nuts at the end of the day is this will cost me a year of my life that I will have to delay retirement to compensate to meet my retirement funding goals. And don't ask my wife about the lost sleep, nightmares, "parts not working as they should" etc in the first few months as I was trying to figure out what I did wrong. I was convinced they had to have something on me to do this, and it ate me up because I couldn't think of anything they could have. Glad this round is over, and I hope you don't have to step up for another round. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:47:53 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jchewie1: Glad this round is over, and I hope you don't have to step up for another round. I'm not worried about round 2, it will just be a hassle. None of the facts will be any different. I'd imagine we could start off with another motion addressing the improper nunc pro tunc and any other judge should end it right there. Anyone considering filing against me knows that as well. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:48:33 PM EDT
[#30]
Congratulations, brother.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:50:11 PM EDT
[#31]
Excellent news! So glad to hear it, this stuff is ridiculous.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:51:07 PM EDT
[#32]
Another example of parents not having their child involuntarily committed to a mental institution.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:53:33 PM EDT
[#33]
I liked how your attys went down the 4473 question list one after another.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:55:38 PM EDT
[#34]
Congratulations!!
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Posted: 5/3/2024 9:58:12 PM EDT
[#35]
our legal system is so fucked. you cant touch the guy legally because hes dead and broke, but the family can sue the shit out of you and cause you damages. I assume you cant go after the family?
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:04:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryCongrats brother. I hate that you had to go through all this stress, money, and inflated insurance costs - but thankfully it's over. Order placed 
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:05:16 PM EDT
[#37]
Glad to hear it. It sucks that they can just decide to burn $50k of your money, though. Do you have any recourse?
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:16:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OSUBeaver]
[#38]
I've read almost this entire thing. Holy crap OP. TL;DR it is batshit crazy and kind of goes like Q: Was your daughter crazy? A: Nope Q: Was she ever in a mental institution? A: Well there was a couple times Q: Did she ever talk about killing herself A: Well she said she wanted to die That's not an accurate account, but it is that crazy. A whole lot of attempts to deflect and "not remember," and blame anybody else other than the batshit crazy family. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:41:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: By my math - my bank account will have at least $50K less in it because of this lawsuit So what I'm hearing is you need 100 people to buy an ADCO hat with a signed copy of the dismissal order for $500? |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:42:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: Depends on how you calculate it. In checks written just for "lawsuit stuff" under $15K. I had to close my shop to attend the depositions, court ordered meetings, drive downtown and pay for parking. Lost business and lost personal time has a value to me, but not sure how to price that. I paid an extra $10K a year in insurance the last 2 years that I don't believe I'd be paying if this didn't happen. Actually, the insurance carrier I found to replace my carrier that dropped me - also dropped me last month. (No one wants you if you have an open claim with a death) I did find another carrier at the last minute, at an even higher rate. With my new carrier, my next premium is due before the year expires so I'll count that as another 10K if they renew. By my math - my bank account will have at least $50K less in it because of this lawsuit - *If I get reasonable insurance when this really over. That money has to come from somewhere, and I see it as coming from my annual SEP (retirement) contribution. So the kick in my nuts at the end of the day is this will cost me a year of my life that I will have to delay retirement to compensate to meet my retirement funding goals. And don't ask my wife about the lost sleep, nightmares, "parts not working as they should" etc in the first few months as I was trying to figure out what I did wrong. I was convinced they had to have something on me to do this, and it ate me up because I couldn't think of anything they could have. Thanks for the reply. It saddens me not only on the financial loss, but the emotional stress on you, your family, and employees. I've followed this topic quietly from the beginning. I think it's time for this community to come together and help refill your coffers. We lack the brotherhood other organizations shine at. The same ones that try to silence us and the ideals we have, are very good at collecting and organizing. I don't understand why we fail at that? I don't have the answers. But I'm willing to help. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:26:50 PM EDT
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I read all 195 pages of depositions from the parents and the expert. Good Lord. What a bunch of fools.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:29:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: braapJob]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OSUBeaver: I've read almost this entire thing. Holy crap OP. TL;DR it is batshit crazy and kind of goes like Q: Was your daughter crazy? A: Nope Q: Was she ever in a mental institution? A: Well there was a couple times Q: Did she ever talk about killing herself A: Well she said she wanted to die That's not an accurate account, but it is that crazy. A whole lot of attempts to deflect and "not remember," and blame anybody else other than the batshit crazy family. It was fucking insanity. I had to read the addlebrained dad’s responses 2-3 times because he just kept avoiding any and all accountability with an actual answer. The last lawyer asking “how did we get from suing Jerry to suing Steve/ADCO” made me want to rip out whats left of my hair. Simple question, mental gymnastics non-answer. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:36:04 PM EDT
[#43]
God DAMN but that is good news!
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:47:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
[#44]
Im thrilled this ordeal is done for you!
Fuck those shitty assholes who put you through this. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:57:00 PM EDT
[#45]
Best news of Friday 5/24
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Posted: 5/4/2024 12:01:52 AM EDT
[#46]
Wow! Great news!!!!
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Posted: 5/4/2024 12:38:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OSUBeaver: I've read almost this entire thing. Holy crap OP. TL;DR it is batshit crazy and kind of goes like Q: Was your daughter crazy? A: Nope Q: Was she ever in a mental institution? A: Well there was a couple times Q: Did she ever talk about killing herself A: Well she said she wanted to die That's not an accurate account, but it is that crazy. A whole lot of attempts to deflect and "not remember," and blame anybody else other than the batshit crazy family. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OSUBeaver: I've read almost this entire thing. Holy crap OP. TL;DR it is batshit crazy and kind of goes like Q: Was your daughter crazy? A: Nope Q: Was she ever in a mental institution? A: Well there was a couple times Q: Did she ever talk about killing herself A: Well she said she wanted to die That's not an accurate account, but it is that crazy. A whole lot of attempts to deflect and "not remember," and blame anybody else other than the batshit crazy family. My favorite part of that was how his lawyer walked through the 4473 questions, and the old lady had no idea. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 12:44:26 AM EDT
[#48]
Ha ha! Wonder how much time the plaintiff's lawyers wasted on this case. I lost two (combined basically) cases on motion once and I'm still pissed decades later lol
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Posted: 5/4/2024 12:44:46 AM EDT
[#49]
While I don’t know you personally OP, I have followed this thread since its inception.
I am genuinely happy for you. I am glad to see that there is still some “good” in this world. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/4/2024 12:54:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: The bad guys lawyers filed a R.41 dismissal. In Ohio that means they have 1 year to start it all over again, but as of today it's over. This entire thing was a bullshit bluff all along. We called them on it and didn't offer a penny in settlement. They knew they would never win at trial so they quit. They can refile, but their lawyers know its a lost cause and, and I can't imagine any other lawyers will want to pick this up and expect a different outcome. Thanks for all the support, it's been a wild ride, and fortunately the bad guys lost. To better understand how bad the trial would have gone for them read this - parents depositions. Imagine my attorneys cross examining them in front of a jury! Best news I have heard all week. |
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