I was chatting with the local gun shop people the other day. I brought up the UN hearings upcoming in July. I was wondering his opinion on the matter. He said there are a lot of rumors and conspiracy theories about concentration camps. He said there are places set up, that are totally surrounded by fences around here (CA area).

What the hell is this crap? Is this true? I don’t want more theories. If you know some facts, please shed some light on this situation; just leave your tin foil hat on the TV set.

What are they going to use these supposed camps for? Put all the non gun turning over people in them?

I was reading about this, most of the theories are connected with FEMA since they have the ability to declare martial law and take away your civil rights.

[url]http://www.mt.net/~watcher/fema.html[/url]
[url]http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/1780/concentration.html[/url]
[url]http://www.guncontrolvictories.com/k_campslist.html[/url]
[url]http://www.sightings.com/political/campsfound.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.uhuh.com/control/camps.htm[/url]

Not fact- Good friends were telling me this same thing last year. They live in central WA and said the gubnint is building and buying land.
I thought it was a bit off myself, but nothing would surprise me.
My tinfoil has moved to my rifle also, my kids still wont wear one

We talked about this in the chat room, dude.  Check out WWN (weekly World News)  They had an article about that.  You shouldn't just disregard something because it sounds "tin-foilish" that's what they want you to think.  (you being "??")  Not for gun owners in particular, just re-education camps.  Like I said, it's going to be 1984 in truth.  Read Revelations also, alot of references to a one world goverment before the final coming (Godspeed Jesus, we need you man!)  This isn't Tin-foil stuff, it's real and happening.  Check out alot of the decommisioned military bases.  Call up locals in the area, or visit them yourself.  Those would be first choice in where to build a Concentration Camp.  There's a dark cloud on the horizon, get right with God, then be prepared to fight and die with bravery.  It may appear we lose, but in the end God will reign.   Si vis Pacem Para Bellum.   Liberatas vel Mors.

NSF  

NSFJojo makes some valid points in his post.

I have heard reports about people who have worked in government say that they have seen this with their own eyes and have participated in the set-up phase - but like so many things like this it is next to impossible to verify.

Would it surprise me?  Not in the least.

I have learned a lot in my many trips around the block and no longer blindly trust.  Like President Reagan once said "Trust - but verify"

Outstanding idea!


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[b]The Sniper

B.S.

OK guys, I just read all the info that was linked above and if this isn't the largest erector set of tin foil I've seen, I don't know what is.

What is the probability of the government turning on all the citizens of the US for no good reason? Even if this does happen, how many military and LEO type people are going to go along with this crap? There are enough people nation wide like you and me to stop this kind of crap cold.

Hell SteyrAUG could probably hold off a good 1/4 of them all by his lonesome. If this off the wall crap does come to pass, I'm going out shooting.

Well what I would like to know is why are we closing all of our military bases here in the states, yet there are military proving grounds in AZ. that have row upon row of soviet T-80 tanks, and I have seen things in Ms. that would make your hair stand up on your neck. If this does not sound like pre-postioning I don't know what is.

I've worked for them for more than twenty years! Believe me, there a whole much more F.cked up than they were in the 40's.[beer]

THIS IS NO BULL!  The camps exist, I have personally reconned one, in north central Pa.  Part of it is being used as a correctional 'boot camp,' at only 10% capacity.  In the middle of a mountainous area, a mile long, dead straight, dead level wide two lane road to nowhere, with the telephone poles at least 100 feet off the road, and no brush growing on the roadside, just like a runway....
I've said before, i'm not part of the tinfoil hat brigade, but this defies explanation.  I also found out that several of the Fed minimum security prisons are also at minimum capacity.  I know that this defies popular opinion, that we're running out of prison space, but my source is a 100% reliable contractor.  Who are 'they' (whoever 'they' are) planning to incarcerate in such large numbers???  This is the truth, and if you wish to see for yourself, I will gladly guide you to the spot...........

What I am curious about is where have all the militias gone?
Are they just lying low or have they all deserted?

I so totally distrust the current goverment. Just look at the McVeigh thing today. They withhold evidence in the most important federal case of this decade.

To Open fire: Sorry you think that it is BS. It seems that concepts such as concentration camps should be totally alien to our way of life. In reality there are locations around the nation that are highly suspicious. One of those sites I have personally seen. It is in the Blue Diamond area outside Las Vegas. This particular area is off limits to anyone coming near, and the barbwire is facing in, not out. The layout is one that is for housing people since there is no industry there. Hell, the Jews and most Germans before Hitler took over had no idea that they would soon become the main item on the menu. Look at what our gov has done with Waco, Ruby Ridge as well as a host of other locations. Do you think that our gov. wouldn't resort to putting dissidents such as those who respect the rkba. They have been compling national databases of gun owners even though it is against the law. When the time comes, my star becomes a throwing star, and I become highly mobile. Never let your guard down or believe they would not resort to the unthinkable, power and control go hand in hand.

It was Mao that said all power eminates from the barrel of a gun! And if you think you are free in amerika, you just try to buy a piece of land and live off of it only growing what you need to eat, and generating your own electricity, and making anything you need with you own hands, and then do not pay taxes at the end of the year. They will take everthing away from you even though you do not use any of their services. I would say that is taxation with out representation, which is how this nation came about. Ironic don't you think?

First of all Ice15 - what makes you assume that this would be perpetrated against "all" citizens?  There would be no justification for this.  But what about a select part of our population that by virtue of their actions or opinions (much like the ones we voice publicly here...) would be considered enemies of the state and a threat to national security?

Do you think it is so far fetched in view of the current political trend to think that those who oppose gun control would not be considered "dangerous", "radicals", "a threat to law and order"?

We are already being painted this way on a daily basis by the media and many in high government offices.  I can't believe how much mindless rhetoric I hear repeated on a daily basis just over the last few years.  This train is picking up speed at a dizzying pace - make no mistake abou it!

Our grand-fathers would consider us a country of cowards today!

No - I personally can't prove this plan is in place but based on what I am seeing and hearing daily that I can hardly believe, I do not find it hard to imagine at all!

They will never take me alive - I would rather die free than live in as a slave to tyranny!


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[b]The Sniper

I saw the McVeigh thing today too and did you notice the investigative report they were advertising throughout the program?  It is a look into the militia which will air this Monday night on MSNBC at 8pm Eastern.  It will be interesting to see how they treat this subject.

The media seem to work hard to connect the militia concept to people like McVeigh.  They often show interviews with "Bubba the Redneck" militia member.  This makes all militia groups look ignorant.  They play up anything that is uncovered by the "authorities" that translates into an "overthrow plot" and for the most part refuse to air anything positive about militia groups.  The word "militia" continues to be villianized through every outlet.

Yeah... I imagine that most militia groups are keeping their heads down a bit and for good reason.


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[b]The Sniper

A couple more sites to add to the list:
[url]www.bahaifaith.net/us_secret_prisons.htm[/url]
[url]gulagamerika.homestead.com/StateIndex.html[/url]

There was also enough people nationwide like you and me that could have stopped the murders at Waco, but it didn't happen...

Are we going to wake up this time?

SOL

The militias - or more precisely those who would under other circumstances be part of a militia - have gone underground.  With the current hostility by the general public towards militias and the realization that being part of one makes you target number one, many have disassociated thamselves.  

There are still just as many people, or more, who are 'militia-minded' but instead of joining big militias, they are now part of the 'leaderless resistance' movement.  Two to five man teams of people who have known each other all their lives.  People they can trust implicitly.  This scares the Feds.  These kinds of groups are real hard to crack and they don't talk too much.  There is too much distrust.  

Crack one of these groups and all you've got is a couple of guys.  Look what Tim McVeigh did all by his lonesome (yeah right).  Most of these people are doing the same thing as they did before - just waiting.

When the time comes, I guess they will figure out what they are gonna do.

Is the militia movement dead?  Nah, just gone underground.

It takes a "unified" government to pull this off. Don't ever let that happen or we really will be running around digging up guns and capturing supplies. That will suck like nothing you have ever experienced. People you love will die.

Best bet is to load the government with so many Jesse Ventura type variables that they will NOT move as a cohesive unit. Also do your damdest to destroy CAREER politicians.

CAREER Polititians ???

Don't almost all politicians fall under this description ???

Look up REX 84. That is how close things came to actually putting those camps to use. The cover story was to round up illegal aliens, BUT if you read the rest of the plan it also called for the incarceration of known "troublemakers".
Other martial law contingency plans were CABLESPLICE and GARDENPLOT.

Everyone that keeps doubting that it can happen ignores the fact that the media will go along with pretty much anything the government wants as the more sensationalized coverage the more viewers they will have. In other words more advertising $'s. Remember a little incident where they whole country was whipped up to the point of wanting the feds to go in and kill a group of "child molesting religious fanatics" in a place called Mount Carmel?  That is one example of the power of the media over the sheeple.

How many out there felt a little duped when after Waco we began to find out some of the facts concerning the allegations instead of what we were lead to believe by the news reports?

They still have no proof of weapons violations and this supposedlly was the reason that they wanted to take Koresh into custody.  We now know that the ATF watched Koresh the night before hang around in town - alone.  Why didn't they take him into custody then and there?  Why did they wait until the next day when he was "safe" inside the compound which was filled with women and children?

Now when you consider a government that operates this way - is it really that hard to imagine what this thread is about?


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[b]The Sniper

I can hear the black choppers over my house right now. They must know i'm reading this thread. Damn gubmint!

I bet that alot of these executive orders relating to FEMA and martial law are nothing more than Cold War relics that need to be discarded.  You can bet your ass that the Feds were going to take over everything, or, whatever was left after a nuclear strike from the Soviets.

exactly...

Steyr,

I'm sorry that you've been mislead into believing that Jesse is some kind of "maverick politician". The fact of the matter is that he nothing more than a puppet for his socialist chief of staff. Sure, he gets to go on talk shows and talk trash, but when it comes to actual policy he is rarely the one making the decisions.

When he campaigned, he ran largely on a conservative platform. He has yet to keep a single promise he made during the election.

Don't believe everything you watch on T.V.

You think that's bad.. check into the United Nations "Biospheres". I have heard stories about fellow Gold Prospectors coming upon soldiers wearing UN uniforms and kicking people off BLM land because it is now a Biosphere.

These are areas in the US (47 of them) that have been set aside to have no human contact with the natural animals and plants. The government is also buying up land around these places for "buffer zones". You think I am kidding it is ON the UN web site.


Aviator

I live in CA. And I don't find the issue of FEMA constructing concentration ("detention camps": to use a politically correct term) to be absurd.

Consider: During WWII Japanese Americans were interned in such camps. For example: 15 miles south of Lone Pine, CA. is the remains of one such camp called Manzanar.


Government Agencies do crazy things. They break laws, violate the constitution, etc. They do things that if we did them we would be thrown into jail so fast our head would spin.

For example: Ruby Ridge,1992. During Randy Weaver's trial in the aftermath..the FBI was caught witholding evidence from the defense as well as attempting to fabricate evidence.

Waco, 1993. After killing 80 some odd people (the majority of whom were women and children) the ATF and FBI bulldozed the site, and refused to cooperate with an investigation led by the Texas Rangers into this incident.
During the several congressional hearings, the FBI repeatedly changed their story.

But people who were claiming that the Government was lying or were covering it up, were branded by the press and government spokesmen as being a bunch of "right-wing kooks".

A similar case happened throughout the 60's and 70's where people were claiming that the government were conducting radiation experiments on people. They also were slandered as "nutcases"..for decades. Until in 1994 the DOE (Dept. of Energy) Secretary released previously classified documents which supported such claims. And she admitted that the DOE had done so during a press conference as well.

What is my point ? The pattern is well established. Governments (the US Government is no different than any other Government) will do anything to remain in power. They will commit atrocities, they will conduct secret radiation, chemical and biological experiments on unwitting victims.

Should we trust the government to protect us ? No more than we should trust a violent well armed criminal.

HMMMM....Government ?...Violent well armed criminal ?...

Aren't they both one in the same ???

I'd sooner trust a violent well armed criminal...At least they don't make laws to protect themselves from prosecution...