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Posted: 8/20/2017 11:53:32 PM EDT
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Damn hope the missing sailors are able to be rescued.
Turns out this was the 4th incident this year according to Fake news site CNN... http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/20/asia/us-navy-destroyer-collision-singapore/index.html On June 17, the USS Fitzgerald collided with a container ship off the coast of Japan. That collision resulted in the deaths of seven US sailors. It will be transported to the US for repairs.
On May 9, the guided-missile cruiser USS Lake Champlain was struck by a small fishing boat off the Korean Peninsula. And in late January, the guided-missile cruiser USS Antietam ran aground while trying to anchor in Tokyo Bay. It seams to me that training has been lacking in the USN (for roughly 8 years I would guess) and needs to be corrected. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 11:54:39 PM EDT
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Aft IC hatch is right next to the berthing 5 entrance. One level up is berthing three and what was used as a mini gym on the DDG I was on. Above that is the main deck if I remember correctly. That IC space gets cold as fuck in there. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:04:31 AM EDT
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That's sad and nuts that this happened again so soon.
Question: How would a WWII era destroyer with several inches of armour plate and probably more steel plate throughout it's structure, take ship collisions like this? As I understand it, there is basically no reason to build the ships with heavy armor because missiles can easily punch through it, but what about things like general durability in bad seas and impacts like this? 
Out of curiousity, do our modern ships have thicker hulls than civilian vessels of similar size? I remember reading they use kevlar to add protrction. I can't help but feel that the navy went too far the other way choosing lightness/speed over armor and weapons. idk |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:05:14 AM EDT
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Maybe the Chinese have learned how to spoof the nav systems. Or maybe some sailors just need to do their jobs right. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:08:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:13:11 AM EDT
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I really don't think it is a coincidence, or an accident. It's probably easy to sabotage with a small merchant vessel and make it appear accidental. Given the speed and maneuverability advantage the USS McCain has, they should have been able to avoid the collision even if the merchant vessel was deliberately bearing down on them. Even if the McCain was the stand-on vessel it still has the obligation to avoid a collision. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:14:23 AM EDT
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Some of you fuck sticks are so caught up in your political narratives that you forgot about 10 missing USN sailors because you are too busy to tripping over yourselves to scream that this is Obama's fault or to shit on John McCain III (ship is named after I)
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:14:55 AM EDT
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I seem to recall the Ingersoll took a hard hit in or around that area in the 90's.
Busy sea lanes for sure. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:18:50 AM EDT
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Some of you fuck sticks are so caught up in your political narratives that you forgot about 10 missing USN sailors because you are too busy to tripping over yourselves to scream that this is Obama's fault or to shit on John McCain III (ship is named after I) |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:19:46 AM EDT
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I believe you're correct. That IC space gets cold as fuck in there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aft IC hatch is right next to the berthing 5 entrance. One level up is berthing three and what was used as a mini gym on the DDG I was on. Above that is the main deck if I remember correctly. That IC space gets cold as fuck in there. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:22:10 AM EDT
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Damn just saw where there are missing and injured sailors. Didn't think from the original article this was that serious.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:22:10 AM EDT
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Some of you fuck sticks are so caught up in your political narratives that you forgot about 10 missing USN sailors because you are too busy to tripping over yourselves to scream that this is Obama's fault or to shit on John McCain III (ship is named after I) We don't have to virtue signal like crazy as if we are libs. 
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:22:48 AM EDT
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SOUTH CHINA SEA (NNS) -- UPDATE POSTED AUG. 20, 11:31 P.M. (EDT)
The guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain (DDG 56) was involved in a collision with the merchant vessel Alnic MC while underway east of the Straits of Malacca and Singapore on Aug. 21. There are currently 10 Sailors missing and five injured. Four of the injured were medically evacuated by a Republic of Singapore Navy Puma helicopter to a hospital in Singapore for non-life threatening injuries. The fifth injured Sailor does not require further medical attention. A family assistance center has been established. Families can call 011-81-46-816-1728 (international) or 243-1728 (DSN on base). The collision was reported at 6:24 a.m. Japan Standard Time, while the ship was transiting to a routine port visit in Singapore. The ship is currently sailing under its own power and heading to Changi Naval Base. At this point, no fuel or oil is visible on the water's surface near the ship. Search and rescue efforts are underway in coordination with local authorities. In addition to tug boats out of Singapore, RSN Fearless-class patrol ships RSS Gallant (97), RSS Resilience (82), RSN helicopters and Singaporean Police Coast Guard vessel Basking Shark (55) are currently in the area to render assistance. An MH-60S helicopter from the amphibious assault ship USS America (LHA 6) are in the area providing search and rescue assistance. An additional MH-60S helicopter and MV-22 Osprey are expected to arrive soon. Alnic MC is a Liberian-flagged 600-foot oil and chemical tanker with a gross tonnage of 30,000. Initial reports indicate John S. McCain sustained damage to her port side aft. Damage control efforts continue while the extent of damage is being determined. The incident will be investigated. More information to follow. http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=102034 |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:23:34 AM EDT
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News flash; asside from prayer there isn't anything most of us can reasonably do about those guys. We don't have to virtue signal like crazy as if we are libs. I call it being a fucking asshole. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:26:54 AM EDT
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News flash; asside from prayer there isn't anything most of us can reasonably do about those guys. We don't have to virtue signal like crazy as if we are libs. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:27:08 AM EDT
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Some of you fuck sticks are so caught up in your political narratives that you forgot about 10 missing USN sailors because you are too busy to tripping over yourselves to scream that this is Obama's fault or to shit on John McCain III (ship is named after I) |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:27:13 AM EDT
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Tag.
Hope the swimmers find some of those kids. Thanks for the info from our Naval vets. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:34:08 AM EDT
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Should be an open and shut case..the witnesses will sing like birds.
Edit: posted before reading the story....in all seriousness...prayers, for the missing, and wounded. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:35:14 AM EDT
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That's sad and nuts that this happened again so soon.
Question: How would a WWII era destroyer with several inches of armour plate and probably more steel plate throughout it's structure, take ship collisions like this? As I understand it, there is basically no reason to build the ships with heavy armor because missiles can easily punch through it, but what about things like general durability in bad seas and impacts like this?
Out of curiousity, do our modern ships have thicker hulls than civilian vessels of similar size? I remember reading they use kevlar to add protrction. I can't help but feel that the navy went too far the other way choosing lightness/speed over armor and weapons. idk A number of WWII-era Destroyers were cut in half by collisions with larger ships. For instance, the Frank E. Evans (Sumner-class) was cut in half by the HMAS Melbourne (Majestic class light carrier) Melbourne was a significantly smaller ship than either of the ships that have been involved in these collisions recently. (Of course, Burkes are much larger than Sumners, too...) |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:41:02 AM EDT
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That's sad and nuts that this happened again so soon.
Question: How would a WWII era destroyer with several inches of armour plate and probably more steel plate throughout it's structure, take ship collisions like this? As I understand it, there is basically no reason to build the ships with heavy armor because missiles can easily punch through it, but what about things like general durability in bad seas and impacts like this?
Out of curiousity, do our modern ships have thicker hulls than civilian vessels of similar size? I remember reading they use kevlar to add protrction. I can't help but feel that the navy went too far the other way choosing lightness/speed over armor and weapons. idk They were much smaller than even a modern coast guard cutter. I don't think they even had an armor belt unless you count 3/8" hull plating. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:41:06 AM EDT
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Fuck collision, that looks like a ramming. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:42:58 AM EDT
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You could start by showing some respect for those who most likely died to protect you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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News flash; asside from prayer there isn't anything most of us can reasonably do about those guys. We don't have to virtue signal like crazy as if we are libs. Fingers crossed for the best. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:44:36 AM EDT
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Too many ships....too little water.
Chinese are involved? Yes. It's the end of August and the start of Christmas shipping. Lotsa stuff beginning to move. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:47:11 AM EDT
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Everyone is blaming the Navy ship (as of pg 2), but what if some idiot civi crew decided to drink and play xbox and went into them? The damage seems consistant with someone else hitting them. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:54:47 AM EDT
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@ winstonsmith
That's how you fucking answer a question so other ignorant to the subject can fucking instantly understand. Out standing sir... Join date post count of mine |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:55:25 AM EDT
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How do you know the crew didn't do everything reasonably expected of them to avoid this collision? vs. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/USS_John_S._McCain_DDG-56.jpg/300px-USS_John_S._McCain_DDG-56.jpg  |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:58:24 AM EDT
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He has a boat named after him?  |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:08:02 AM EDT
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Turns out this was the 4th incident this year according to Fake news site CNN...
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:11:38 AM EDT
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Strait of Malacca is pucker factor 10.
Godspeed shipmates. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:16:39 AM EDT
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How do you know the crew didn't do everything reasonably expected of them to avoid this collision? I can navigate big city rush traffic and expect my Navy to be able to operate in any ocean on the planet. Unacceptable. Thanks Obama.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:20:15 AM EDT
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Was the senator at the wheel?
Ed |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:29:33 AM EDT
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There comes a point where a multi-million dollar war vessel should be able to eyeball it coming and step on the gas to get out of the way of what is more or less a cow trundling along through the ocean. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone is blaming the Navy ship (as of pg 2), but what if some idiot civi crew decided to drink and play xbox and went into them? The damage seems consistant with someone else hitting them. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:31:36 AM EDT
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2hrs since last update from Navy. Figuring the worst for the missing sailors.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:41:29 AM EDT
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Some of you fuck sticks are so caught up in your political narratives that you forgot about 10 missing USN sailors because you are too busy to tripping over yourselves to scream that this is Obama's fault or to shit on John McCain III (ship is named after I)
I expect my Navy paid for with my tax dollars to be able to navigate any and all Oceans on the planet. Obummer gutted Mil leadership and those chickens are coming home to roost. 10 missing sailors only adds tremendously to the disaster, it does make this shit acceptable or cool. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:44:25 AM EDT
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Shit Johnie Wet Start has ship named after him. Caused the death of 154 sailors on the USS Forestall and a traitor to the POW/MIA cause. and a North Vietnamese informant know as the "SONG BIRD"....no wonder this country is screwed with idiots like that in Congress...! Nothing but a POS RHINO who sleeps with Soros and any muslum for a dollar donation to his McCain FOUNDATION slush fund.... He's an asshole for sure, but his assholeness doesn't need gilding. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:48:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:52:05 AM EDT
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We went through the Shimonoseki Strait a couple of times and that was scary as anything we ever did. This was before more modern navigation systems, as in just one surface search radar. Really. We didn't get a Raytheon but it was planned for us to augment the SPS-10. So repeaters were used for tracking contacts and navigating off the same radar. You couldn't track all the contacts and you had to depend on no one else doing anything completely insane. And like city traffic, there are never any accidents. Because everybody is that good and there are no mechanical failures. Ever. Of course, we all know accidents happen in traffic all the time for a variety of reasons. So no way to tell what happened yet. Although I'd guess there were some people failures (perhaps on both ships) as opposed to mechanical or electronic system "failures." After I got out, I know my ship was involved in a collision in a high traffic area. I'd expect they had an augmented watch in this area and the impact point suggests several scenarios but it's all guessing now.
What we do know is there injured and missing sailors. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:55:16 AM EDT
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2hrs since last update from Navy. Figuring the worst for the missing sailors. when watertight doors are sealed is there any air supply to Berthing? I understand the need to prevent flooding but say the boys were just trapped behind a flooded compartment (if this is even possible on a Burke?), would they run out of oxygen similar to the Kursk? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:58:06 AM EDT
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same outcome as the Fitz is likely, poor guys sacked out and the deck watch murders them, hope I'm wrong when watertight doors are sealed is there any air supply to Berthing? I understand the need to prevent flooding but say the boys were just trapped behind a flooded compartment (if this is even possible on a Burke?), would they run out of oxygen similar to the Kursk? If the compartment is completely flooded, that's not going to matter much. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:59:26 AM EDT
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same outcome as the Fitz is likely, poor guys sacked out and the deck watch murders them, hope I'm wrong when watertight doors are sealed is there any air supply to Berthing? I understand the need to prevent flooding but say the boys were just trapped behind a flooded compartment (if this is even possible on a Burke?), would they run out of oxygen similar to the Kursk? 'The navy says that them thar ship lookers didn't do their job an the capn' was a sleepin so he done need fired also caus was bad shippin' Ya, right. The Navy hasn't told us shit because they don't want anyone to know for sure what happened. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 2:05:05 AM EDT
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Massive floating drilling rig, generally speaking. I was part of a design team for one. They don't move easily. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/21/2017 2:14:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/21/2017 2:17:56 AM EDT
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 Tomorrow Never Dies - South China Sea |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 2:56:07 AM EDT
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For starters because they hit another ship. I can navigate big city rush traffic and expect my Navy to be able to operate in any ocean on the planet. Unacceptable. Thanks Obama. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:12:44 AM EDT
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same outcome as the Fitz is likely, poor guys sacked out and the deck watch murders them, hope I'm wrong when watertight doors are sealed is there any air supply to Berthing? I understand the need to prevent flooding but say the boys were just trapped behind a flooded compartment (if this is even possible on a Burke?), would they run out of oxygen similar to the Kursk? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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2hrs since last update from Navy. Figuring the worst for the missing sailors. when watertight doors are sealed is there any air supply to Berthing? I understand the need to prevent flooding but say the boys were just trapped behind a flooded compartment (if this is even possible on a Burke?), would they run out of oxygen similar to the Kursk? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:16:37 AM EDT
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So 10 sailors missing means this bullshit is some how acceptable?
I expect my Navy paid for with my tax dollars to be able to navigate any and all Oceans on the planet. Obummer gutted Mil leadership and those chickens are coming home to roost. 10 missing sailors only adds tremendously to the disaster, it does make this shit acceptable or cool. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of you fuck sticks are so caught up in your political narratives that you forgot about 10 missing USN sailors because you are too busy to tripping over yourselves to scream that this is Obama's fault or to shit on John McCain III (ship is named after I)
I expect my Navy paid for with my tax dollars to be able to navigate any and all Oceans on the planet. Obummer gutted Mil leadership and those chickens are coming home to roost. 10 missing sailors only adds tremendously to the disaster, it does make this shit acceptable or cool. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:18:04 AM EDT
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The Navy hasn't actually told us what happened on the Fitz and it probably won't tell us what happened here. 'The navy says that them thar ship lookers didn't do their job an the capn' was a sleepin so he done need fired also caus was bad shippin' Ya, right. The Navy hasn't told us shit because they don't want anyone to know for sure what happened. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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same outcome as the Fitz is likely, poor guys sacked out and the deck watch murders them, hope I'm wrong when watertight doors are sealed is there any air supply to Berthing? I understand the need to prevent flooding but say the boys were just trapped behind a flooded compartment (if this is even possible on a Burke?), would they run out of oxygen similar to the Kursk? 'The navy says that them thar ship lookers didn't do their job an the capn' was a sleepin so he done need fired also caus was bad shippin' Ya, right. The Navy hasn't told us shit because they don't want anyone to know for sure what happened. We are the most transparent of all the services in our investigations. Investigations take time and people's rights have to be preserved as fact-finding is done. Once it's done, most Navy investigations are released in some form, if not the results from them are publicly explained. We don't cover shit up. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:23:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/21/2017 3:45:50 AM EDT
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AGAIN? Starting to sound like The hunt for the Red October
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Posted: 8/21/2017 4:47:08 AM EDT
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