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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:05:35 PM EDT
[#1]
Yep.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:10:49 PM EDT
[#2]
 Missing footage: Rand Paul "Right to Healthcare" would result in slavery for doctors. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:11:48 PM EDT
[#3]
As a libertarian I believe it is personal responsibility.
As a nurse I believe that public health is vital to a functioning society. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:12:24 PM EDT
[#4]
FBHO
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:13:50 PM EDT
[#5]
Racist!
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:14:31 PM EDT
[#6]
Pretty sure GD has already figured this out several times.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:15:30 PM EDT
[#7]
You do not have the right to someone else's labor.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:18:17 PM EDT
[#8]
Both choices suck (excepting pie).
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:18:20 PM EDT
[#9]
neither... it's a service
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:22:00 PM EDT
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Assuming that healthcare is a right at all (which is debatable - do I have the right to seek medical care - yes, does someone else have the obligation to provide that care, free of charge, if I cannot or choose not to pay for it?), I don't see how it could be a group right. Health involves the individual, not some group. You could argue that health INSURANCE is a group right if it is obtained via (for instance) collective bargaining on a contract, but even then the individual health care involved would become an individual right for the insured.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:22:49 PM EDT
[#11]
Specious poll - it's neither. Healthcare is not a privilege, it's a product; if you pay for it, you can get some.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:25:45 PM EDT
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People have a right to have access to healthcare, they do not have a right to have health insurance provided to them.
We need do some things we don't like in terms of risk sharing for those with pre-existing conditions. They should pay more as well. People that have the means to pay for health insurance and elect not to DO NOT have a right to ask the rest of us to pay for them to be cared for. They should face the ordinary consequences of bad financial decisions like quitting your job and failing to pay your house and car payments...bankruptcy. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:26:25 PM EDT
[#13]
You cannot have a right to someone else s job.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:27:27 PM EDT
[#14]
You have a right to healthcare, you don't have a right to force someone else to pay for it.
Where's my taxpayer funded machine guns and printing presses? |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:27:32 PM EDT
[#15]
It's a service
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:30:09 PM EDT
[#16]
I'm always reading the hate towards paying other people's healthcare, and I get it. But not much anger about our taxes paying for the establishment healthcare and pensions. Until they start with the cuts at the top I'm kinda meh on the issue. IMO I wish it was all cut out but until then what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:32:06 PM EDT
[#17]
Is anything a "collective" right?
As a society we decide to use our tax dollars for some things and not for others. They are not "collective" rights, or even rights at all. We have just determined that spending money collectively on some things is better for our society than not spending the money (eg the military, roads). We could choose to do the same on healthcare, or not. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:33:52 PM EDT
[#18]
Neither
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:34:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:35:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
As a libertarian I believe it is personal responsibility. As a nurse I believe that public health is vital to a functioning society. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:38:13 PM EDT
[#21]
Healthcare is a service provided by healthcare professionals. Lawn care is a service provided by lawn care professionals. Do you have a right to lawn care? Of course not, that would be foolish.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:41:51 PM EDT
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As a libertarian I believe it is personal responsibility. As a nurse I believe that public health is vital to a functioning society. But 'information," not free healthcare. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:48:01 PM EDT
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What about this:
I've just come down with leukemia and I cannot afford to pay for treatment and I don't have health insurance. Should I be allowed to die? What if I told you I was the 5 year old son of a Waffle House waitress in Toccoa, GA... |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:49:40 PM EDT
[#24]
Privvy, but pie got my vote
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:50:44 PM EDT
[#25]
Buy all you want and can afford.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:51:43 PM EDT
[#26]
It's a service. Neither right nor privilege.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:53:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
As a libertarian I believe it is personal responsibility. As a nurse I believe that public health is vital to a functioning society. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:54:03 PM EDT
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... I'll just remind you of this; even though there were fringe problems then, health care was not even on the radar when I was a child - do the math
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:57:27 PM EDT
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Half the country doesn't wash their hands after dropping a deuce. Start a hygiene promotion campaign if you are worried about public health. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Half the country doesn't wash their hands after dropping a deuce. Start a hygiene promotion campaign if you are worried about public health. Quoted:
Should the government broadcast information about public health? I am a libertarian and I think that would fall under a proper government use. But 'information," not free healthcare. Quoted:
As a nurse, is it not generally the case the the people who get care at no cost to themselves abuse the healthcare system we have mostly because they dont feel that their health is a personal responsibility? I still care for those patients though, that's why I got into healthcare. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 3:58:46 PM EDT
[#30]
I think access to healthcare is a social responsibility in a first world country, as well as programs to help manage payments and prevent runaway billing.
Hard to implement that though and keep it free market. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 4:04:19 PM EDT
[#31]
It's a operating expense, and it's what YOU can afford.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 4:08:24 PM EDT
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You do not have the right to someone else's labor. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 4:11:49 PM EDT
[#33]
Let's play devil's advocate here.
Let's pretend the healthcare IS a right. Hell, let's pretend that it is even a right protected by the U.S. Constitution. Tell me, my right to freedom of speech means that the government is obliged to fund a book I'd like to write? My right to bear arms is protected by the Constitution, does that mean that the government is obligated to buy me an SR-25? No, of course not. Rights in America are protected from government interference and infringement. Nothing more. The rest is up to the individual. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 4:13:05 PM EDT
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As a libertarian I believe it is personal responsibility. As a nurse I believe that public health is vital to a functioning society. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 4:20:58 PM EDT
[#35]
The healthcare system should have 2 different types of facilities.
1. Hospitals and doctors offices for the responsible people who pay for insurance or are wealthy enough to pay for their healthcare. 2. Hospitals and doctors offices for people on welfare and those who never had the forethought to plan for medical issues. I imagine the option 2 place would have a serious backlog and the smell would be terrible. Hopefully this would assist in teaching future generations that medical insurance is more important than iPhones, tattoos, cigarettes, and being a lazy detriment to society. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 4:22:41 PM EDT
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Yes, so it's important that citizens be responsible for themselves. Otherwise they are a detriment to society. I've had homeless people come into our clinic that we've care for. One homeless woman with bacterial vaginosis had no money to pay and didn't want to waste the ERs time. So she came into our clinic, but didn't have enough money for the prompt pay visit. The doctor and I assessed her and gave her antibiotics that would likely treat her infection. We had nothing to gain from helping this woman, but I felt it would be too cold hearted to turn her away. I agree, it is a detriment to society however they are still human beings. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 4:28:18 PM EDT
[#37]
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Do you believe yourself to be a christian? I've had homeless people come into our clinic that we've care for. One homeless woman with bacterial vaginosis had no money to pay and didn't want to waste the ERs time. So she came into our clinic, but didn't have enough money for the prompt pay visit. The doctor and I assessed her and gave her antibiotics that would likely treat her infection. We had nothing to gain from helping this woman, but I felt it would be too cold hearted to turn her away. I agree, it is a detriment to society however they are still human beings. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 4:29:20 PM EDT
[#38]
It sure ain't a right.
It would really be extra nice if beetus-ridden fatties (and similar money pit patients) were vigorously discharged from the insurance system, so that the rest of us did not pay for their poor choices. But don't worry Trump said he's gonna cover everybody. Better and cheaper. 
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Posted: 8/20/2017 4:29:57 PM EDT
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Individual charity is different from government mandated tyranny |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 4:38:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
The healthcare system should have 2 different types of facilities. 1. Hospitals and doctors offices for the responsible people who pay for insurance or are wealthy enough to pay for their healthcare. 2. Hospitals and doctors offices for people on welfare and those who never had the forethought to plan for medical issues. I imagine the option 2 place would have a serious backlog and the smell would be terrible. Hopefully this would assist in teaching future generations that medical insurance is more important than iPhones, tattoos, cigarettes, and being a lazy detriment to society. He said if there was a way he could have paid to get bumped up in line he would have. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 4:40:03 PM EDT
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As a libertarian I believe it is personal responsibility. As a nurse I believe that public health is vital to a functioning society. you possess? |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 4:40:27 PM EDT
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I wish I could see lines as clear as you, for me the lines are blurred. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 4:41:16 PM EDT
[#43]
The Second Amendment protects a right but that doesn't mean the government is covering the cost for my CCW piece, shotgun, rifle, ammunition, and training.
You have the right to all of the healthcare you want - as long as you're the one paying the bills. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 4:49:02 PM EDT
[#44]
Noone has a right to anyone else's services or income/property. Government was designed as a monopoly of force by the founders to protect undue forces from taking those, in addition to infringing on our liberties.
-- Big L libertarian, CR |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 5:04:47 PM EDT
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Do you believe yourself to be a christian? I've had homeless people come into our clinic that we've care for. One homeless woman with bacterial vaginosis had no money to pay and didn't want to waste the ERs time. So she came into our clinic, but didn't have enough money for the prompt pay visit. The doctor and I assessed her and gave her antibiotics that would likely treat her infection. We had nothing to gain from helping this woman, but I felt it would be too cold hearted to turn her away. I agree, it is a detriment to society however they are still human beings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, so it's important that citizens be responsible for themselves. Otherwise they are a detriment to society. I've had homeless people come into our clinic that we've care for. One homeless woman with bacterial vaginosis had no money to pay and didn't want to waste the ERs time. So she came into our clinic, but didn't have enough money for the prompt pay visit. The doctor and I assessed her and gave her antibiotics that would likely treat her infection. We had nothing to gain from helping this woman, but I felt it would be too cold hearted to turn her away. I agree, it is a detriment to society however they are still human beings. I believe there does need to be a medicare / medicaid system because there will always be a percentage of people that are unemployable / debilitated / unable to make a living. As a society however it is in our best interests to raise children that feel a responsibility to contribute to society - not leach on society. The current system at best tolerates, if not outright encourages, leaches that should be able to provide for themselves. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 5:05:39 PM EDT
[#46]
Completely 100% a personal responsibility.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 5:11:32 PM EDT
[#47]
Fist; expense/affordability is different than accessibility.
Second; it doesn't have to be an enumerated constitutional right for society to decide that they want to foot the bill to make some general level of care available to everyone. We basically do this already and society has shown that they would rather have that care available than not so the issue is about how to structure and pay for it and what level of care should be provided by default. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 5:15:42 PM EDT
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Every single time we have one of these threads is makes me sad that so many otherwise smart people, don't even know what rights actually are.
Rights aren't free products. They never were and never will be. Rights are things the government can't take from you without a really good reason. Can the government take your ability to go to the doctor away from you? Yes or no? If the answer is yes, then it isn't a right. If the answer is no, then it is. That is what a "right to healthcare" actually means. Can the government pass a law that keeps people from going to the doctor? If you are going to reply that people think "a right to something means it is free, so we are going to let those dumbasses frame the argument", then you are stupid. Don't be stupid. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 5:18:33 PM EDT
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Society has decided that in at least some cases Health care is a Right or at least a service that must be provided. A prime example is that if you come into an ER with a gun shot wound you are getting treated no matter what. Whether you walk in on your own or are carried in a stretcher that care will not be denied for any reason. There are many other examples of this.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 5:29:03 PM EDT
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Meanwhile, my son-in-law retired USA has a fucked up spine, bulged disks, and shooting pains in his back, legs, testicles, can't get the fucking VA to give him the time of day.
No such thing as an ER visit resulting in an MRI. 
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