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Posted: 7/20/2017 3:36:28 PM EDT
Kindof at a loss as to what to do except for continue what we are doing.
We adopted a GSD puppy about a month ago. GSD puppy was around 5 months old. The dog has been a great dog so far. He is very smart, very obedient, quick learner, very loveable, very friendly, great with kids and great with other dogs. We run him NON-STOP when we are home. We have about 4 acres and try to get as much energy out of him as possible all even/day/morning when we are home. He is also very socialized with out current older dog and the neighbor dogs. GSD is about 60 lbs now. We, me and my GF, both work. We started off crating him during the day. He did so well with this after a week or so we started to let him out during the day with the other dog and that went great so we kept it up. He was in the crate between 4-8 hours a day depending on things. Up until last week. So, one week in the crate, three weeks out of the crate. He has developed this habit of pulling stuff off the tables and chewing them. Not food or shoes or anything. Like kitchen knifes, decorations, anything really. It progressed badly into anything and everything was being pulled off really high structures and being chewed to bits. He has a ton of toys for him to chew too. He got into an alieve bottle and we took him to the vet and we knew he had to go into the crate again. The behavior is strange because he never tries to take things off the counter when we are around. He also never grabs things off the counter or the tables when we are in the house. Only when we are gone. We have a solid metal wire frame crate for him to be in. I even reinforced the entire exterior of the cage with 60lb zip ties. We put him in the crate every day this week. But only for about 4-5 hours. He did fine. Today, GF came home and the crate has been destroyed and the dog got himself out. He left a tornado of trash. Anything and everything is chewed. Remotes, beer cans, sun glasses, the rug, everything. So where should we go with his training past today? What can I do to work toward resolving this issue? |
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You have an obsessively, obscenely high-energy dog in a low energy environment.
You might as well try to bottle a lightning bolt on Adderall. |
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You have an obsessively, obscenely high-energy dog in a low energy environment. You might as well try to bottle a lightning bolt on Adderall. View Quote |
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If you're already exercising him, try using bitter spray.
You can get it from petstores and helps to dissuade dogs from chewing on things. Worked great for my lab when they were chewing on furniture. |
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He's throwing a tantrum for being left. Thats my guess. Separation anxiety. My first GSD did that to the trash can if we left it inside when we left him alone. It was his way of throwing a tantrum.
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He is a higher energy dog, i know that. But not obscenely high. Thats a bit hyperbolic. Border collies fit the category you mention. View Quote That fucker would literally run every second he was not awake. If you didn't keep him motivated, he would immediately turn OCD and start to pace, run around in circles, or just destroy shit. I would ride my bike around town and he would chase after me all day long. We didn't keep him in a crate, because he could eat his way out of just about anything. If those dogs aren't sleeping, you better be keeping them busy. Because they are an alligator with fur. |
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Is he still teething? Our old dog chewed the shit out of everything until he was done teething then he settled down. Getting them fixed helps, too. You need patience and a better crate.
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I adopted a psychotic female collie / terrier mutt. Had the same issues as you OP. I have no solutions for you either... we crated our dog until she grew outta it and now she's the best dog I've ever had.
ETA: we locked her in the bathroom one time to run to the grocery store quick... gone bout 30 min. Came back and she had ripped all the wood off the lower side of the door, window was literally cracked, shower curtain shredded, nothing on the counter anymore.. total disaster. I was fucking pissed and kinda laughing at the same time too |
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OP, both the GSD's I have went through a super destructive phase like that, then grew out of it soon after. Neither of them chew up anything anymore.
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Crate and outdoor kennel unless you are actually with him. Do this until about 1 year old give or take. My newest GSD just turned 1 year recently and he is now really trustworthy but still doesn't get free rein inside the house unless we are home and spends the daytime in a fenced in back yard with a shaded porch and pool.
Besides that they sheds to much to be in 24/7 |
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why do you leave him in the house? They have small 10ft x 10ft cages you know,,,,outside
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I adopted a psychotic female collie / terrier mutt. Had the same issues as you OP. I have no solutions for you either... we crated our dog until she grew outta it and now she's the best dog I've ever had. ETA: we locked her in the bathroom one time to run to the grocery store quick... gone bout 30 min. Came back and she had ripped all the wood off the lower side of the door, window was literally cracked, shower curtain shredded, nothing on the counter anymore.. total disaster. I was fucking pissed and kinda laughing at the same time too View Quote |
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You're expecting too much of the puppy. We have a rottweiler pup the same age. Our pup is smart and learns quickly but she's still a pup. A high drive dog at that age wil get into everything. Ours requires constant supervision to stop from having leather sofas and wooden furniture destroyed. She's already learned that the word, "no," spoken in a calm voice,means stop whatever she's doing. She's is well on her way to not chewing things we don't want chewed on. They will learn faster if they are monitored and corrected every time they are doing something you don't want them to do. When they get away with it because you aren't there to let them know it's not OK what they're doing, it delays the process. If you don't already know, positive reinforcement works best. Yelling at them scares them and hinders the learning process. When they do what you want them to do, or stop doing what you don't want them to do, tell them what a good dog they are in an excited voice and pet them. Food treats to reward good behavior and used in conjunction with learning basic obedience commands help too. We crate our dog when we're not home. I shudder to think what would happen if we didn't.
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Your going to have people recommend xanax and a therapist. How about a dog proof crate to start.
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You're expecting too much of the puppy. We have a rottweiler pup the same age. Our pup is smart and learns quickly but she's still a pup. A high drive dog at that age wil get into everything. Ours requires constant supervision to stop from having leather sofas and wooden furniture destroyed. She's already learned that the word, "no," spoken in a calm voice,means stop whatever she's doing. She's is well on her way to not chewing things we don't want chewed on. They will learn faster if they are monitored and corrected every time they are doing something you don't want them to do. When they get away with it because you aren't there to let them know it's not OK what they're doing it delays the process. If you don't already know, positive reinforcement works best. Yelling at them scares them and hinders the learning process. When they do what you want them to do, or stop doing what you don't want them to do, tell them what a good dog they are in an excited voice. Treats to reward good behavior and used in conjunction with learning basic obedience commands help too. View Quote |
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I Think he is still teething. He got fixed about two weeks ago. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Is this dog proof enough for you? I even zip tied every edge touching another edge and permanently closed one of the doors with zip ties. Theres probably 30 of them on there. https://www.ruralking.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/0/8000-0209.jpg View Quote Impact Dog Crates Or for the Houdini of dogs there is always something like this... Houdini Crate |
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Is this dog proof enough for you? I even zip tied every edge touching another edge and permanently closed one of the doors with zip ties. Theres probably 30 of them on there. https://www.ruralking.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/0/8000-0209.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Your going to have people recommend xanax and a therapist. How about a dog proof crate to start. https://www.ruralking.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/0/8000-0209.jpg |
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Is this dog proof enough for you? I even zip tied every edge touching another edge and permanently closed one of the doors with zip ties. Theres probably 30 of them on there. https://www.ruralking.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/0/8000-0209.jpg View Quote |
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Is this dog proof enough for you? I even zip tied every edge touching another edge and permanently closed one of the doors with zip ties. Theres probably 30 of them on there. https://www.ruralking.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/0/8000-0209.jpg View Quote |
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why do you leave him in the house? They have small 10ft x 10ft cages you know,,,,outside View Quote It has been a great relief not worrying about the dog in a small crate during the day when we are at work, and it keeps her out of trouble with plenty of fresh air. We even put a webcam in it so we can check in on her. She is currently sleeping next to several large sticks we tossed in there in case she wants to chew on something. |
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Forget about folding crates if he's an escape artist. Use a drop pin or a heavy duty aluminum crate. I'd say that he is WAY too young to have free run of the house during the day. Impact Dog Crates Or for the Houdini of dogs there is always something like this... Houdini Crate View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is this dog proof enough for you? I even zip tied every edge touching another edge and permanently closed one of the doors with zip ties. Theres probably 30 of them on there. https://www.ruralking.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/0/8000-0209.jpg Impact Dog Crates Or for the Houdini of dogs there is always something like this... Houdini Crate Obviously yours doesn't so see above for a solution. It's also helpful to put them in the crate when you're home, walk away, then come back and reward them for not physically touching the crate. That might not work at this point but I dunno |
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Is this dog proof enough for you? I even zip tied every edge touching another edge and permanently closed one of the doors with zip ties. Theres probably 30 of them on there. https://www.ruralking.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/8/0/8000-0209.jpg View Quote I plan on bringing my bolt cutters along. Then making my own crate. Then find a sheet metal shop to bend me up a pan or tray for the bottom. I have used tie wire like for rebar to reinforce the corners on crates like you have pictured above. My next best piece of advice is to get three or four of those Kong toys... the black ones... fill with peanut butter set in freezer over night give him a PB filled Kong in his crate right before you leave. Psychologically the theory is that since dogs came from wolves, and your dog considers you part of the pack....he thinks you or the rest of the pack is abandoning him. EDIT: I use carabiners on the doors. like someone up above said....their pup learned to use his nose to push the door bolts open |
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Try getting an RC toy truck or car and make it so the puppy can't outrun it then play with it, puppy with lose a lot of energy just chasing it around.
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My GSD had the same problem when she was young. Chewed on couches ,walls, rugs and everything in between. Final out grew that issue and one of the best dogs I ever had. Longer then normal puppy stage for sure.
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Try getting an RC toy truck or car and make it so the puppy can't outrun it then play with it, puppy with lose a lot of energy just chasing it around. View Quote |
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I have a GSD mix, about 15 months old. She gets biked 3-4 miles a day, Ran and walked. Still destroys stuff. I leave her in the back yard. Its fenced and about 6000 sf. It has a large covered patio area, but she destroys everything. all the stuff you named and every window screen and garden hose I have.
this dog will go after the sprinklers as well. ate a teak table, 3 rocking chairs, and going after teak sofa, all outdoor furniture is chewed. I cant help you but feel your pain. |
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I am thinking of going to Rural King and buying a wire horse panel or a wire hog panel. I plan on bringing my bolt cutters along. Then making my own crate. Then find a sheet metal shop to bend me up a pan or tray for the bottom. I have used tie wire like for rebar to reinforce the corners on crates like you have pictured above. My next best piece of advice is to get three or four of those Kong toys... the black ones... fill with peanut butter set in freezer over night give him a PB filled Kong in his crate right before you leave. Psychologically the theory is that since dogs came from wolves, and your dog considers you part of the pack....he thinks you or the rest of the pack is abandoning him. EDIT: I use carabiners on the doors. like someone up above said....their pup learned to use his nose to push the door bolts open View Quote |
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In my opinion he's too young to be left out if you don't want to come home to a disaster. My 10 month old still gets crated. Just recently been able to trust him well enough to not fuck shit up during the night so he doesn't get crated at night all the time anymore.
Baby steps man. You went from crawling to sprinting. |
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Is he still teething? Our old dog chewed the shit out of everything until he was done teething then he settled down. Getting them fixed helps, too. You need patience and a better crate. View Quote Place peanut butter inside cone in far corner. Encourage him to chew that. Don't react to anything else he chews just encourage the Kong Toy with peanut butter. If you try to punish him for other stuff it may be he will take the bad attention just as well as the positive. |
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It is a GSD puppy. It is what they do. Welcome to Hell. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Is he still teething? Our old dog chewed the shit out of everything until he was done teething then he settled down. Getting them fixed helps, too. You need patience and a better crate. Once she turned about a year and a half old, she grew out of it. Now, five years later, she's a great dog. |
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Mine ruined a $4000 dining room table and chair set.
And here I thought I had an understanding with him if I left him alone in my home. lol it happens |
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Dog is bored or has separation anxiety.
My 1.5 y/o GSD pup will run 24-fucking-7 if I would let him. Literally from 5am to midnight he is wide-fucking-open. He will still chew shit up if left alone for an extended period of time. Luckily we have a part of the house where we put a baby gate up to keep him contained from chewing up the rugs and remotes. Best dag I've ever had, but GD he is high energy |
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I had a similar issue with a second dog that I brought into my house... A rescued female who was "approximately 2 years old" per the shelter, as well as heart worm positive = restricted activity, so no running it out of her... She turned out to be closer to 10 months old and extremely active and destructive
I did just like you, "oh she's doing good, let's leave her out..." She became destructive, so I secluded her. More destructive, so I crated her in a shitty ass wire crate like you have. She escaped and destroyed more shit. So I zip tied the hell out of the crate to keep her in; she bent the door, got out, and destroyed more shit. I ended up having to zip tie the door shut with multiple ties DAILY while gone, in addition to the other zip ties After a lot of research and review reading: I bought a Rough Tuff brand kennel, Primo Pads crate pad (she destroyed all other pads and beds instantly), and a few Goughnut brand toys to toss in with her. Rough Tuff kennels were the cheapest I could find that appeared strong enough to keep her in. There are other, but significantly more expensive, options available. Both the Primo Pads crate pad and Goughnuts toys are designed for tough and destructive dogs, as well as warrantied against it.... I can not recommend the above mentioned products enough. Toys (Kong extremes included) and other dog supplies typically last minutes, hours at best, in my house. The Primo Pad, Goughnuts, and Rough Tuff kennel are all still looking brand new, holding together, are functional, and escape free.... |
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The black Kong ball is something our vet suggested. I'll pick up today along with carabineers. View Quote Look up Ian Dunbar's "After Getting Puppy" Its free online. I don't agree with everything the man says (especially for GSDs) but read the chapter on creating a "chew toy addict". It will help with a great many things. Start feeding him from the Kong and make it hard for him to get the food. It will entertain him physically as well as mentally. |
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Buy another one so they can keep each other busy Yes, the cat kept him company, but, wasn't enough. At 2 years of age I came home one day to find that someone had poisoned him while I was at work all day. Took him to the vet, but, he didn't survive. Never found out who did it, but, animal control put out fliers (after I reported it) that someone was putting rat poison in raw hamburger meat and tossing it over fences in my neighborhood. |
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Just enjoy it OP. It's a puppy thing and he'll grow out of it. I lost my best friend a few days ago and I remember those days. If you love him stay the course and he'll stop as he matures.
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