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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:25:55 PM EDT
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nice, I'd be curious to see how those stack up to others. KAC CQB > AAC Mini 4 > Surefire Mini Recently acquired some Brevis cans in a larger lot, so I'm actually interested in testing those out. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:30:09 PM EDT
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My opinion: Previous training is more important than any other circumstance when choosing shotgun vs rifle.
Like me, if you were trained in the military on the M4 and spent a good deal of time carrying and shooting the M4, but the Corps never trained you on shotguns at all, an AR pattern rifle is probably a better choice. If you spent a lot of your life shooting shotguns while hunting or skeet shooting, and feel very familiar and intuitive with a shotgun, but never had formal carbine training, a shotgun is probably a better choice. I spent several years carrying and shooting an M4. So if Alex Jones turns out to be right and interdimensional shapeshifting pedophile vampires kick down my door, I'll grab the AR15. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:30:15 PM EDT
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He said the feds helped him relocate, didn't say witness protection or anything in detail but kinda seemed like something like that. He also said something like the next person he will kill will be in his house. I just don't believe he's that stupid. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:30:20 PM EDT
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He also said he stopped carrying pistols in combat, but does like the p320.
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:32:07 PM EDT
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Anybody saying that a shotgun is inadequate for HD is a fool. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:32:53 PM EDT
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why do you hate your ears so much? Those things suck. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:33:23 PM EDT
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He lives out West.
He's way more worried about Grizzlies kicking in his door than ISIS. 12ga Slugs > 5.56 for Yogi's 
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:40:26 PM EDT
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In before rustedace 
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:41:38 PM EDT
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There's a difference between a former Navy Seal with a shotgun and an average Joe with no training with a shotgun for home defense, just saying. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:42:25 PM EDT
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That's why I chose this for my first GD thread 
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:42:45 PM EDT
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He also said he stopped carrying pistols in combat, but does like the p320. Edit: He says he LOVED The Sig and he had no problems with the Sig. No 320 talk 
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:43:00 PM EDT
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Even though he was talking about the flashlight, the reality is the muzzle report at your ears won't be any louder than the port pop with a full sized can, so it's a wash. Either way it will sound about like firing a 22lr in your house. A little painful but better than a 12ga and not your biggest problem that day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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why do you hate your ears so much? Those things suck. But I can shoot mag after mag with my AAC full size cans and be fine, but 10 rounds through the surefire mini will leave me ringing for hours. I know "science" and all that, but there has to be something else coming into factor with it vs an ejection port noise, such as SPL's. Is it better than no can, yes. Is it hearing safe-ish, not in my experience. But I don't claim to be an expert either, just saying what I've noticed in person. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:43:09 PM EDT
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the capacity tidbit seems pretty relevant...
and what if one 'needs' barrier penetration... the AR pattern can easily spit a lot more than 5.56... esp for HD... .277wolv, .300blk, .458soc, .450bush, 50beo |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:45:15 PM EDT
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But.....a guy at the range said I could walk through my house racking the slide on an empty shotgun and it would make the bad guys fall down catatonic in a pool of their own pee.
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:51:18 PM EDT
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From my Personal Experience KAC CQB > AAC Mini 4 > Surefire Mini Recently acquired some Brevis cans in a larger lot, so I'm actually interested in testing those out. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:53:26 PM EDT
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Anybody saying that a shotgun is inadequate for HD is a fool. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:56:58 PM EDT
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What do you think about the full sized surefire cans? I really like their mounting system but I've never had a chance to hear them in comparison to SiCo/AAC etc @narphenal If I couldn't own surefire, I would have a Dead Air Sandman S or Saker ASR 556K. If I wanted a versatile can I would go with the SilencerCo Omega. Surefire are usually louder than similar cans, but usually are shorter. I don't really evaluate my cans on a dB basis, but more as a total package. In my experience, the Omega is usually the best can for the average guy, but if you're doing high round count firing that's where I would recommend Sandman/Saker. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 7:57:19 PM EDT
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What do you think about the full sized surefire cans? I really like their mounting system but I've never had a chance to hear them in comparison to SiCo/AAC etc @narphenal Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From my Personal Experience KAC CQB > AAC Mini 4 > Surefire Mini Recently acquired some Brevis cans in a larger lot, so I'm actually interested in testing those out. ETA..Not trying to start an argument narphenal, just giving my opinion. If shorter is more important, then I see your stance. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 8:01:03 PM EDT
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Surefire is my favorite rifle can for 556. They are overpriced for what they are, and most people are better served with other options. If I couldn't own surefire, I would have a Dead Air Sandman S or Saker ASR 556K. If I wanted a versatile can I would go with the SilencerCo Omega. Surefire are usually louder than similar cans, but usually are shorter. I don't really evaluate my cans on a dB basis, but more as a total package. In my experience, the Omega is usually the best can for the average guy, but if you're doing high round count firing that's where I would recommend Sandman/Saker. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 8:12:40 PM EDT
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O'Neill has a legitimate reason to believe his life is in danger from a whole fucking religion and he chooses a shotgun first but hey you #nevershotgunners keep ranting. So, he tells the world his HD setup plus their locations and you believe him? He and everyone else involved deserve to live the lives of Kings in America. SMH |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 8:20:35 PM EDT
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At 3:00 a.m. when my door gets kicked in, any gun in my hands is better than nothing... |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 8:28:09 PM EDT
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Anybody saying that a shotgun is inadequate for HD is a fool. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 8:29:45 PM EDT
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But mostly it's hard to look like an Opr8r when you post a dozen pics of your HD kit when you've got an 870 instead of a MK18A28 Mod 1186.8 sitting on a pile of the worlds cleanest multicam gear. 
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Posted: 7/18/2017 8:40:24 PM EDT
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Some SEAL on m4carbine said to shoot burglars with birdshot . Guessing they don't use shotguns in fights much. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IDK, its kinda hard to argue with a real life been there, done that guy |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 8:43:58 PM EDT
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I didn't hear that, He said when he did carry a pistol he used to carry a Sig (assuming his time in it would have been the 226) and when Stern asked something like "why a Sig, I thought they jammed?" O'Neill said because they won a .gov contract. Then went on to say he liked the Sig but because of the altitude he worked in he didn't think a pistol was worth the extra weight. Edit: He says he LOVED The Sig and he had no problems with the Sig. No 320 talk Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He also said he stopped carrying pistols in combat, but does like the p320. Edit: He says he LOVED The Sig and he had no problems with the Sig. No 320 talk |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 8:50:01 PM EDT
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He's a soulless ginger I'll never trust what he says.
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Posted: 7/18/2017 8:50:19 PM EDT
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IDK, its kinda hard to argue with a real life been there, done that guy Joe-blow America who has not been tested under fire would be better off with a magazine-fed rifle. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 8:56:54 PM EDT
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So you're saying the .mil personality whose advice you idolize stopped carrying a pistol because his cardio was so shit/he was too high speed meanwhile grunt fucks hump at that altitude all day long? But they were higher drag so pistols we're otayy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He also said he stopped carrying pistols in combat, but does like the p320. Edit: He says he LOVED The Sig and he had no problems with the Sig. No 320 talk 
It was what HE SAID IN THE INTERVIEW. And for you, who are you? To judge him when you have no idea what his job was when he made that choice is comical. 
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Posted: 7/18/2017 8:57:26 PM EDT
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Sorry, he lost me at Robert O’Neill....  |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 8:57:33 PM EDT
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Think I'll stick with my SR15 over a shotgun.
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:01:57 PM EDT
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Do you have any idea how stupid you sound saying that I am speaking for O'Neill
It was what HE SAID IN THE INTERVIEW. And for you, who are you? To judge him when you have no idea what his job was when he made that choice is comical.
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He also said he stopped carrying pistols in combat, but does like the p320. Edit: He says he LOVED The Sig and he had no problems with the Sig. No 320 talk
It was what HE SAID IN THE INTERVIEW. And for you, who are you? To judge him when you have no idea what his job was when he made that choice is comical.
If you want to build straw men, please provide who you are first. I'm sure you won't, but I'll extend myself first, I am not employed by the United States Armed Force's or any Other governmental agency. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:03:19 PM EDT
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Sure he's BTDT. So it stands to reason he's well trained and tempered under fire and will never short-stroke or fumble a reload, anticipate recoil, etc while under duress. Joe-blow America who has not been tested under fire would be better off with a magazine-fed rifle. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:04:49 PM EDT
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Case and point your assumptions off of a personality interview. Your entire thread. If you want to build straw men, please provide who you are first. I'm sure you won't, but I'll extend myself first, I am not employed by the United States Armed Force's or any Other governmental agency. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He also said he stopped carrying pistols in combat, but does like the p320. Edit: He says he LOVED The Sig and he had no problems with the Sig. No 320 talk
It was what HE SAID IN THE INTERVIEW. And for you, who are you? To judge him when you have no idea what his job was when he made that choice is comical.
If you want to build straw men, please provide who you are first. I'm sure you won't, but I'll extend myself first, I am not employed by the United States Armed Force's or any Other governmental agency. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:06:18 PM EDT
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I like shotguns. Think they could be just fine. Doesn't mean they are ideal. Just because one bad mother fucker uses one for home defense doesn't mean it's ideal.
I know a recon marine that carries a 22 revolver too. Doesn't mean it's the best choice. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:06:28 PM EDT
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I don't agree, SG are not so terribly hard to manipulate and people kill each other every damn day, why do some feel it is this monumental task. Have you ever looked at the mug shots of all these people killing other people or even the people that successfully defended themselves with lethal force they aren't exactly tier 1 operators yet they get the job done. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sure he's BTDT. So it stands to reason he's well trained and tempered under fire and will never short-stroke or fumble a reload, anticipate recoil, etc while under duress. Joe-blow America who has not been tested under fire would be better off with a magazine-fed rifle. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:06:57 PM EDT
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He also said he stopped carrying pistols in combat, but does like the p320. Edit: He says he LOVED The Sig and he had no problems with the Sig. No 320 talk
It was what HE SAID IN THE INTERVIEW. And for you, who are you? To judge him when you have no idea what his job was when he made that choice is comical.
If you want to build straw men, please provide who you are first. I'm sure you won't, but I'll extend myself first, I am not employed by the United States Armed Force's or any Other governmental agency. Eta# Who are you? |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:07:04 PM EDT
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The thread started well past autistic, it's full blown retarded to begin with. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:14:22 PM EDT
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Not yet, but if I #ShotGunned I'm sure I'd be Tier-Drunk. Eta# Who are you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He also said he stopped carrying pistols in combat, but does like the p320. Edit: He says he LOVED The Sig and he had no problems with the Sig. No 320 talk
It was what HE SAID IN THE INTERVIEW. And for you, who are you? To judge him when you have no idea what his job was when he made that choice is comical.
If you want to build straw men, please provide who you are first. I'm sure you won't, but I'll extend myself first, I am not employed by the United States Armed Force's or any Other governmental agency. Eta# Who are you? Sure, I did assume one point but also clearly said it was my opinion. But that wasn't even what triggered you lol I'm embarrassed for you. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:22:59 PM EDT
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He also said he stopped carrying pistols in combat, but does like the p320. Edit: He says he LOVED The Sig and he had no problems with the Sig. No 320 talk
It was what HE SAID IN THE INTERVIEW. And for you, who are you? To judge him when you have no idea what his job was when he made that choice is comical.
If you want to build straw men, please provide who you are first. I'm sure you won't, but I'll extend myself first, I am not employed by the United States Armed Force's or any Other governmental agency. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:26:52 PM EDT
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For his sake, I hope so, cause he can wake up sober instead of still stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He also said he stopped carrying pistols in combat, but does like the p320. Edit: He says he LOVED The Sig and he had no problems with the Sig. No 320 talk
It was what HE SAID IN THE INTERVIEW. And for you, who are you? To judge him when you have no idea what his job was when he made that choice is comical.
If you want to build straw men, please provide who you are first. I'm sure you won't, but I'll extend myself first, I am not employed by the United States Armed Force's or any Other governmental agency. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:28:56 PM EDT
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Some SEAL on m4carbine said to shoot burglars with birdshot . Guessing they don't use shotguns in fights much. https://youtu.be/_F_KuFzjOGA?t=1m14s |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:35:52 PM EDT
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I think if you did a poll of the entire membership, most of us would be in the AR camp. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:38:47 PM EDT
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Oh Lawdy....Shitz about to get real in here
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:40:07 PM EDT
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Chick gets shot in chest with birdshot and just walks off. https://youtu.be/_F_KuFzjOGA?t=1m14s |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:49:23 PM EDT
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I like my ARs, and my shotguns.
An experienced duck or goose hunter can, using a 12ga 3", 3 1/2" or 3 1/2" 10ga drop two or even thee ducks or geese at a time, with capacity limited to three rounds by federal law for migratory birds... International trap and skeet are doubles games... But somehow the recoil of a shotgun becomes prohibitive when some ahole is in your house? Really, sissies? And somehow that pump shotgun the duck and goose or dove hunter or deer hunter has shot thousands of times at clays and birds, deer, maybe rabbits, squirrels, quail, crows and other stuff suddenly becomes too complex to shuck? Please... And btw, the greater the recoil the easier and quicker to cycle. Thousands of deer are killed with shotguns every year, many in states where 223/5.56 is illegal because it is believed insufficiently lethal for quick, humane kills... And I'll point out that the U.S. investigated the high incidence of head shots in Iraq, discovering, again, that the 5.56 is not a reliable stopper in CQB and that soldiers and marines were using an extra round to ensure their targets were stopped... |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:50:34 PM EDT
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He probably lives somewhere where an AR is forbidden, hence the shotgun.
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:52:02 PM EDT
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So can I use my m1 super 90 for HD?
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:52:57 PM EDT
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Story says he killed one guy and wounded another with the same shot and wounded one more person with a second shot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Story says he killed one guy and wounded another with the same shot and wounded one more person with a second shot. Ybarra shot Paul Lee in the back of the head with a double-barreled shotgun outside Otto Miller Hall. Some of the shot pellets struck Thomas Fowler, who was standing several feet away. |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:53:03 PM EDT
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I like my ARs, and my shotguns. An experienced duck or goose hunter can, using a 12ga 3", 3 1/2" or 3 1/2" 10ga drop two or even thee ducks or geese at a time, with capacity limited to three rounds by federal law for migratory birds... International trap and skeet are doubles games... But somehow the recoil of a shotgun becomes prohibitive when some ahole is in your house? Really, sissies? And somehow that pump shotgun the duck and goose or dove hunter or deer hunter has shot thousands of times at clays and birds, deer, maybe rabbits, squirrels, quail, crows and other stuff suddenly becomes too complex to shuck? Please... And btw, the greater the recoil the easier and quicker to cycle. Thousands of deer are killed with shotguns every year, many in states where 223/5.56 is illegal because it is believed insufficiently lethal for quick, humane kills... And I'll point out that the U.S. investigated the high incidence of head shots in Iraq, discovering, again, that the 5.56 is not a reliable stopper in CQB and that soldiers and marines were using an extra round to ensure their targets were stopped... |
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Posted: 7/18/2017 9:57:00 PM EDT
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He killed Osama, he can say anything he wants and I'll agree.
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