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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:55:26 PM EDT

A fast action hunting rifle sounds dumb. What else did this guy revolutionize? Seems like that Clap guy who sells metal guns with the police chalk outline already made on the grips.

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:56:47 PM EDT

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Be right back with popcorn!

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:58:37 PM EDT

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The Bren Ten comes to mind..

Posted: 6/28/2017 11:59:30 PM EDT

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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:00:10 AM EDT

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Single stack full size handguns.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:01:49 AM EDT

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Was that the gun that was only cool in a TV show?

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:03:03 AM EDT

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I think Sonny Crockett had the only Bren Ten magazine in existence

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:04:41 AM EDT

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Yes. The production company kept a person just to collect the bren10 mags after a scene cause they were rare and stuff.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:05:09 AM EDT

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On the bright side OP, you and the COL are both currently putting out the same number of new, insightful ideas.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:08:30 AM EDT

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Glocks make great fighting handguns. Where do we both stand now?

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:08:56 AM EDT

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He was the Chris Costa of his time.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:11:23 AM EDT

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He was the Chris Costa of his time.

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Seems legit

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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:14:57 AM EDT

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A fast action hunting rifle sounds dumb. What else did this guy revolutionize? Seems like that Clap guy who sells metal guns with the police chalk outline already made on the grips.

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Before I answer, I need to know something--do you hunt big game?

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:16:36 AM EDT

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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:16:54 AM EDT

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He was the Chris Costa of his time.

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...and I was going to just eat popcorn and watch, until this post.

You will burn in hell for this one!!!!

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:19:00 AM EDT

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Didn't he take a single action revolver into combat when he could have had a 1911?

Firearms genius I tell you!

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:21:23 AM EDT

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This is some legit scouting. Sneaky as fuck

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:21:43 AM EDT

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On the bright side OP, you and the COL are both currently putting out the same number of new, insightful ideas.

Glocks make great fighting handguns. Where do we both stand now?

Your statement would put Cooper up one. Yours was neither new, nor insightful. And he's dead. You lost to a dead guy.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:24:07 AM EDT

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You made my SOCOM sad. End the .458 hate.*

*I've been drinking. Muchy

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:24:46 AM EDT

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Chuck Taylor
Robbie Barrkman
Louis Awerbuck
Clint Smith
Giles Stock

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:25:11 AM EDT

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Didn't he take a single action revolver into combat when he could have had a 1911?

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Only on his first landing to direct naval gunfire from his ship. He carried his personal 1911A1 after that. I think it was a prize from his Army ROTC unit for winning a rifle marksmanship competition. He had Bob Chow give it a trigger job when he was in San Francisco.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:25:19 AM EDT

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Your statement would put Cooper up one. Yours was neither new, nor insightful. And he's dead. You lost to a dead guy.

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On the bright side OP, you and the COL are both currently putting out the same number of new, insightful ideas.

Glocks make great fighting handguns. Where do we both stand now?

Your statement would put Cooper up one. Yours was neither new, nor insightful. And he's dead. You lost to a dead guy.

I said a reliable double stack handgun in 9mm works best. His handgun concept has actually killed manufactures.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:27:03 AM EDT

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Did he pioneer the "I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you" firearms trainer secret squirrel background to make himself more appealing to firearms enthusiasts?

"After a brief spell as a civilian, Cooper served through the Korean war in clandestine operations so covert that his oath of secrecy still prohibits him from discussing them. "
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/3/26/throwback-thursday-jeff-cooper/

I know he apparently sat out WW2 on a boat.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:28:16 AM EDT

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A fast action hunting rifle sounds dumb. What else did this guy revolutionize? Seems like that Clap guy who sells metal guns with the police chalk outline already made on the grips.

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Cooper's firearms innovations were out of date the day he made them.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:32:12 AM EDT

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Crunchenticker

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:32:54 AM EDT

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In his time most of the battle knowledge didn't really apply to civilian training and tactics.

The GWOT experience has produced a lot of viable tactics that translate well to civilian applications.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:36:15 AM EDT

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QFT.

The Scout Rifle would have been a great idea... in 1917.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:40:31 AM EDT

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He killed the guy who shot at him with a double stack 9.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:41:10 AM EDT

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Posted: 6/29/2017 12:41:30 AM EDT

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Couldn't have anything to do with tactics and training could it?

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:41:56 AM EDT

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Did he pioneer the "I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you" firearms trainer secret squirrel background to make himself more appealing to firearms enthusiasts?

"After a brief spell as a civilian, Cooper served through the Korean war in clandestine operations so covert that his oath of secrecy still prohibits him from discussing them. "
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/3/26/throwback-thursday-jeff-cooper/

I know he apparently sat out WW2 on a boat.

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He was part of the MarDet of the USS Pennsylvania. He saw shipboard action and was an officer in the ship's gunnery department. I think early on he commanded part of the secondary battery and then later on directed a section of the ship's AA guns. He saw combat at sea. He also did a number of landings to act as an FO to direct the ship's naval gunfire. His only personal combat in the war occurred during two of those landings. He had some sort of shoreside assignment near the end of the war, I forget if it involved training Marines or if it was something else. He went to the USMC Command and Staff College and went into Military Intelligence. He then served as an intelligence officer for an admiral's staff during a cruise to the Persian Gulf (I think it was that first postwar major cruise that led to the establishment of the squadron that would become the 5th Fleet) and after coming home went Reserve. During the Korean War he was called back into active service and trained ROC Army officers in the use of small arms and later was seconded to the Royal Thai Constabulary helping to deal with communist insurrection being fomented by the ChiComs or something like that. IIRC, he only actually had to shoot someone once doing that. After the war I think he had other intelligence duties and eventually trained both Marines and FBI agents in pistolcraft at Quantico, which according to him was important in starting him on the path to developing the Modern Technique. Sounded like he was learning things as he taught others and experimented with different techniques. I think not long after that he went back into the reserves and once he was eligible, went on the retired list (1960s, maybe).

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:45:36 AM EDT

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...and I was going to just eat popcorn and watch, until this post.

You will burn in hell for this one!!!!

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So you tell me, which one became popular by taking existing techniques from niche competition, and popularizing it with media and turned it into success over the years with tons of fans hanging onto what they said to the point of having the same gear they used which was predicated on concepts...

and which one did the exact same thing just with video's instead of print magazines?

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:47:02 AM EDT

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The Scout Rifle would have been a great idea... in 1917.

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It's still a good idea, if you get what it's about.

The Modern Technique was pretty avant garde back then, and schools like Gunsite were not exactly all that common. From what I understand, today's Isosceles technique is an amalgamation of the original Isosceles and his Modern Technique. IIRC, he also played a role in the creation of the IPSC and practical shooting in general. After leading the way for a while, he did seem to get set in his ways to a large extent, becoming somewhat stagnant, but he also got injured around that time on his last hunt in Africa. I don't think he was able to do a lot of practical shooting work after that and had also sold Gunsite and been pushed out of it around the same time, IIRC.

Posted: 6/29/2017 12:51:58 AM EDT

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It's still a good idea, if you get what it's about.

The Modern Technique was pretty avant garde back then, and schools like Gunsite were not exactly all that common. From what I understand, today's Isosceles technique is an amalgamation of the original Isosceles and his Modern Technique. IIRC, he also played a role in the creation of the IPSC and practical shooting in general. After leading the way for a while, he did seem to get set in his ways to a large extent, becoming somewhat stagnant, but he also got injured around that time on his last hunt in Africa. I don't think he was able to do a lot of practical shooting work after that and had also sold Gunsite and been pushed out of it around the same time, IIRC.

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The Modern Technique was developed over time through his study of what worked in competitions that he put together for that purpose. These competitions led directly to the creation of IPSC. Gunsite was the first of its kind.

Posted: 6/29/2017 1:01:20 AM EDT

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It's still a good idea, if you get what it's about.

The Modern Technique was pretty avant garde back then, and schools like Gunsite were not exactly all that common. From what I understand, today's Isosceles technique is an amalgamation of the original Isosceles and his Modern Technique. IIRC, he also played a role in the creation of the IPSC and practical shooting in general. After leading the way for a while, he did seem to get set in his ways to a large extent, becoming somewhat stagnant, but he also got injured around that time on his last hunt in Africa. I don't think he was able to do a lot of practical shooting work after that and had also sold Gunsite and been pushed out of it around the same time, IIRC.

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Not really.

The idea was seriously discussed in the '80's & a commercial offering wasn't made until the late 90's.

By then there were plenty of lightweight, reliable semi autos, making the bolt action unnecessary.

They all came with detachable box magazines, making the stripper clips unnecessary.

The scout rifle would have been great in the early 1900's. Not so much after.

Posted: 6/29/2017 1:33:02 AM EDT

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Not really.

The idea was seriously discussed in the '80's & a commercial offering wasn't made until the late 90's.

By then there were plenty of lightweight, reliable semi autos, making the bolt action unnecessary.

They all came with detachable box magazines, making the stripper clips unnecessary.

The scout rifle would have been great in the early 1900's. Not so much after.

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Like I said, if you know what it's about, which you don't give the impression that you do given what you emphasize. The concept didn't revolve around nor require a charger guide. The specs also weren't just about weight, although I think that even today you'd have a hard time making weight on a good self-loader that fires a full-power cartridge; it was one of the main criteria, though.

Posted: 6/29/2017 1:40:24 AM EDT

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Ha

Posted: 6/29/2017 1:46:11 AM EDT

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Like I said, if you know what it's about, which you don't give the impression that you do given what you emphasize. The concept didn't revolve around nor require a charger guide. The specs also weren't just about weight, although I think that even today you'd have a hard time making weight on a good self-loader that fires a full-power cartridge; it was one of the main criteria, though.

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Not really.

The idea was seriously discussed in the '80's & a commercial offering wasn't made until the late 90's.

By then there were plenty of lightweight, reliable semi autos, making the bolt action unnecessary.

They all came with detachable box magazines, making the stripper clips unnecessary.

The scout rifle would have been great in the early 1900's. Not so much after.

Like I said, if you know what it's about, which you don't give the impression that you do given what you emphasize. The concept didn't revolve around nor require a charger guide. The specs also weren't just about weight, although I think that even today you'd have a hard time making weight on a good self-loader that fires a full-power cartridge; it was one of the main criteria, though.

lol

Why don't you educate me there champ.

Posted: 6/29/2017 1:52:44 AM EDT

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"Stripper clips" is getting up there with "1 button mouse."

Posted: 6/29/2017 1:53:40 AM EDT

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The scout rifle was a good idea. Still a good idea. You have to go to the target. When you get there the target may be moving.
You will see the wisdom of his idea in the field.

Posted: 6/29/2017 1:54:07 AM EDT

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Why don't you educate me there champ.

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Not really.

The idea was seriously discussed in the '80's & a commercial offering wasn't made until the late 90's.

By then there were plenty of lightweight, reliable semi autos, making the bolt action unnecessary.

They all came with detachable box magazines, making the stripper clips unnecessary.

The scout rifle would have been great in the early 1900's. Not so much after.

Like I said, if you know what it's about, which you don't give the impression that you do given what you emphasize. The concept didn't revolve around nor require a charger guide. The specs also weren't just about weight, although I think that even today you'd have a hard time making weight on a good self-loader that fires a full-power cartridge; it was one of the main criteria, though.

lol

Why don't you educate me there champ.

This is easily the fourth Cooper thread this past week or so, and you've been in them.

That strawman is made of brick, it ain't going any where, regardless.

Posted: 6/29/2017 1:54:46 AM EDT

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It wasn't tarded at the time.

I blame Aimless for all of the recent scout rifle threads.

Posted: 6/29/2017 1:56:35 AM EDT

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Posted: 6/29/2017 1:59:13 AM EDT

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You opened a new portal to the universe where guys carry mediocre rifles in Africa so they can hunt big game and Nazis.
Similar to the Hitlerverse but different.

Posted: 6/29/2017 2:29:43 AM EDT

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You opened a new portal to the universe where guys carry mediocre rifles in Africa so they can hunt big game and Nazis.
Similar to the Hitlerverse but different.

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You opened a new portal to the universe where guys carry mediocre rifles in Africa so they can hunt big game and Nazis.
Similar to the Hitlerverse but different.

Cooper read a lot about, and part of the idea of the scout rifle as mentioned was based on Burnham.

Burnham was the progenitor of the boy scouts.

What if these boy scout rifle advocates are advanced scouts from the Rhodesiaverse coming to take back saigamantx who clearly escaped to come live in our world?

Posted: 6/29/2017 2:31:58 AM EDT

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Cooper read a lot about, and part of the idea of the scout rifle as mentioned was based on Burnham.

Burnham was the progenitor of the boy scouts.

What if these boy scout rifle advocates are advanced scouts from the Rhodesiaverse coming to take back saigamantx who clearly escaped to come live in our world?

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Do we get a reward for turning him in?

Posted: 6/29/2017 2:35:46 AM EDT

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Cooper read a lot about, and part of the idea of the scout rifle as mentioned was based on Burnham.

Burnham was the progenitor of the boy scouts.

What if these boy scout rifle advocates are advanced scouts from the Rhodesiaverse coming to take back saigamantx who clearly escaped to come live in our world?

Do we get a reward for turning him in?

Honestly at this point I'm more worried about your multiverse theory. I mean do all the knuckle draggers who think mosins are great guns for shtf come from some weird stalinverse?

Posted: 6/29/2017 2:39:34 AM EDT

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Not really.

The idea was seriously discussed in the '80's & a commercial offering wasn't made until the late 90's.

By then there were plenty of lightweight, reliable semi autos, making the bolt action unnecessary.

They all came with detachable box magazines, making the stripper clips unnecessary.

The scout rifle would have been great in the early 1900's. Not so much after.

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Let's go pig hunting in California. Do you have a gun for that?

Or bear hunting in Canada.

Or hunting in Namibia.

Posted: 6/29/2017 2:39:52 AM EDT

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So you tell me, which one became popular by taking existing techniques from niche competition, and popularizing it with media and turned it into success over the years with tons of fans hanging onto what they said to the point of having the same gear they used which was predicated on concepts...

and which one did the exact same thing just with video's instead of print magazines?

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To be fair, Cooper pioneered and helped invent the "niche competition" from which those techniques were taken... that puts him ahead of somebody like Costa.

Posted: 6/29/2017 2:40:06 AM EDT

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"Stripper clips" is getting up there with "1 button mouse."

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Better than detachable mags if you aren't blocking the loading port.

Posted: 6/29/2017 2:46:40 AM EDT

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Honestly at this point I'm more worried about your multiverse theory. I mean do all the knuckle draggers who think mosins are great guns for shtf come from some weird stalinverse?

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Well it will take further study but current data shows that each universe is overrun with Mosin fanboys. They do not stem from any single universe.
I believe they are part of an omnipotent evil entity hell bent on propagating shitty rifles throughout the multiverse. That's the only explanation I can think of that explains why there's so many mosins and idiots that think they're sniper rifles. Mosin owners are minions of the Great Dark Rifle Gods of Chaos.

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