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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:33:06 PM EDT
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The California Secretary of State sued Home Depot (or maybe Lowes) about this, and won (in a California court). The now have to label all dimensional lumber with its actual size. 2 x 4's are now 1-1/2 x 3-1/2's. Plus, the store had to pay out a mega million dollar fine. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:33:14 PM EDT
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I've bought lumber in CA recently and they were marked 2x4, 4x4, etc (i.e. correctly) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't this already happen a couple years ago? |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:34:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYeah, that's how it's marked. Different than what you said initially though.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:34:58 PM EDT
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Ridiculous. Everyone knows a 2x4 isn't 2"x4"
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:35:40 PM EDT
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they should be permanently banned from doing home improvements or using lumber... if you're that fuckin stupid you sure as hell shouldn't be using the product... before long lumber is going to have idiot labels like lawn mowers
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:35:42 PM EDT
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Hmphh! I bet their 16d nails aren't to spec either!
Honestly, S4S lumber has been sized that way for years. A 2 x 4, 4 x 4, 2 x 6, etc. is the nominal size before finishing, if they have to go back to actual dimensions everything else will have to change with it. The entire building industry bases load calculations, sheathing sizes, insulation, etc. based on the actual size. Too many damn lawyers in this country!
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:35:48 PM EDT
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As someone who lives in CA and occasionally buys lumber, they are still marked as 2x4s and 4x4. It does however give the actual dimensions in small print under that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The California Secretary of State sued Home Depot (or maybe Lowes) about this, and won (in a California court). The now have to label all dimensional lumber with its actual size. 2 x 4's are now 1-1/2 x 3-1/2's. Plus, the store had to pay out a mega million dollar fine. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:36:08 PM EDT
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Industry standards. It's easier to say 2x4 than "one and nine sixteenths by three and a half" or whatever. 
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:37:26 PM EDT
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Lumber no doubt causes cancer in California anyway, so it shouldn't be sold anywhere in the state. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:38:02 PM EDT
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Ridiculous. Everyone knows a 2x4 isn't 2"x4"
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:38:12 PM EDT
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Everything causes cancer. As a result, nothing is sold here. You probably didn't know that our stores are actually empty. But...we don't have cancer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lumber no doubt causes cancer in California anyway, so it shouldn't be sold anywhere in the state.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:38:16 PM EDT
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Even with the “actual” dimensions, there’s surprisingly large variance. Now someone needs to sue because their 2x4 wasn’t actually 1.5x3.5 but was 1 7/16 thick.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:38:17 PM EDT
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I guess some people ARE really that clueless and dense. If I get a piece of flat stock it's the size it says it is. I like metal. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:40:21 PM EDT
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I think I started getting cancer just reading your post. Thanks a lot!
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Lumber no doubt causes cancer in California anyway, so it shouldn't be sold anywhere in the state.
Better? But you're not in CA so you should be fine. People that live in CA, however should not read that post
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:40:56 PM EDT
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I only buy my lumber green, from the guy with the Harbor Freight saw mill. That way I know my 2x4s are really 2inches by 4 inches. Never mind my walls have gaps from shrinkage and what not. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:40:58 PM EDT
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The California Secretary of State sued Home Depot (or maybe Lowes) about this, and won (in a California court). The now have to label all dimensional lumber with its actual size. 2 x 4's are now 1-1/2 x 3-1/2's. Plus, the store had to pay out a mega million dollar fine. http://www.prosalesmagazine.com/news/dealers/lowes-2x4-case-documents-add-to-allegations-about-undersized-lumber_o http://www.sbcmag.info/news/2014/sep/district-attorney-lowes-case-dont-fret-using-2x4 |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:41:41 PM EDT
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I asked them if they had any 2x4 cripples and they told me I was insensitive to people with permanent disabilities.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:44:33 PM EDT
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Not surprised. Briggs and Stratton lost a lawsuit over misclaimed HP, and switched all their motors to torque. Monitor mfgs were sued because their x # of inches crt's weren't x" viewable (and some didn't even measure that at the ends of the tubes IIRC). Gotta have your shit wired tight in today's society.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:48:11 PM EDT
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Plaintiffs need a 2x4 shoved up their asses.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:48:13 PM EDT
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I'd be embarrassed I was so dumb. I was like what the hell and measured a single board. This does not measure 1x6... I told a friend and he just laughed at me and called me an idiot.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:48:51 PM EDT
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Didn't this already happen a couple years ago? |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:52:29 PM EDT
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Regardless--it's bullshit. For those who know nothing--a tree is cut down and sawn into boards. Those boards are cut to exact size--2"X4", 4"X4", etc. They are then dried in a kiln to a certain percentage of moisture. During this time they twist, warp, and crack. The are then planed to dimensional size, which is what is sold--1 1/2" X 3 1/2" for a "2X4", etc. It's been this way since transportation allowed such things to occur. In the long past you went to a local (very local if using a horse-drawn wagon) and bought a full 2" X 4" "rough cut" board because that's what was available. It wasn't dried and it ended up warping in most cases, especially if not nailed up immediately. The "good old days" weren't exactly "good" in many ways. Edit: To further clarify, there is such a thing as "5/4 lumber"--pronounced "five quarter"--for instances where full dimension is needed. It costs more, but is available. It is rough cut to 2 1/4" X 4 1/4" then planed to a finished dimension of 2" X 4". This is most often seen on deck boards, where you need a full 1" board in order to not need so much structure underneath.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:52:47 PM EDT
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Nobody tell them about 2x4s.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:53:22 PM EDT
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I grew up in a house built with true 2x4s, etc. - big difference in strength.
Houses used to last 100 years or more, not now. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:54:06 PM EDT
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Regardless--it's bullshit. For those who know nothing--a tree is cut down and sawn into boards. Those boards are cut to exact size--2"X4", 4"X4", etc. They are then dried in a kiln to a certain percentage of moisture. During this time they twist, warp, and crack. The are then planed to dimensional size, which is what is sold--1 1/2" X 3 1/2" for a "2X4", etc. It's been this way since transportation allowed such things to occur. In the long past you went to a local (very local if using a horse-drawn wagon) and bought a full 2" X 4" "rough cut" board because that's what was available. It wasn't dried and it ended up warping in most cases, especially if not nailed up immediately. The "good old days" weren't exactly "good" in many ways. Edit: To further clarify, there is such a thing as "5/4 lumber"--pronounced "five quarter"--for instances where full dimension is needed. It costs more, but is available. It is rough cut to 2 1/4" X 4 1/4" then planed to a finished dimension of 2" X 4". This is most often seen on deck boards, where you need a full 1" board in order to not need so much structure underneath. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:55:29 PM EDT
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I was dumb until I went and got a bunch of 1x6s to deck out my cheap lowes trailer. I had everything measured perfectly and had a large gap on each side after laying all the planks out. I was like what the hell and measured a single board. This does not measure 1x6... I told a friend and he just laughed at me and called me an idiot. 
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Posted: 6/22/2017 4:57:25 PM EDT
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I work in new construction and this is why I hate people. I have become so jaded that every time I get a call from a client I assume its going to be something even more ridiculous than this. Seriously this is just the tip of the iceberg for how retarded most folk are. Moronic levels of fucking stupid people who presume they are "experts".
ETA: Most of them are fucking boomers who should damn well know better... |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:01:21 PM EDT
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Lumber no doubt causes cancer in California anyway, so it shouldn't be sold anywhere in the state. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:01:35 PM EDT
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lol
They should look up European lumber dimensions. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:09:12 PM EDT
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Anyone too
Did these assclowns measure conduit and pipe too? |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:09:28 PM EDT
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They should have started with whatever size needed to get down to the final size of 2x4. Then all this could have been avoided Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Industry standards. It's easier to say 2x4 than "one and nine sixteenths by three and a half" or whatever. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:10:09 PM EDT
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That should be fun.
Slimeball lawyer "So Mr Defendant, why did you lie about the size of your 4x4's?" Menards guy "The Federal Government told me to." |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:10:38 PM EDT
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They should not be labeled anything but the true measurements.
It doesnt matter how long it has been wrong, it should be corrected. ETA- not a menards, home depot etc.. specific issue. Should be law of the land. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:13:20 PM EDT
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They should not be labeled anything but the true measurements. It doesnt matter how long it has been wrong, it should be corrected. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:16:07 PM EDT
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I hope nobody measures the diameter of a piece of 1/2-inch pipe.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:23:06 PM EDT
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They should not be labeled anything but the true measurements. It doesnt matter how long it has been wrong, it should be corrected. ETA- not a menards, home depot etc.. specific issue. Should be law of the land. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:24:13 PM EDT
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I hope nobody measures the diameter of a piece of 1/2-inch pipe. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:24:18 PM EDT
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People that bring these lawsuits up should be drawn and quartered. Any real man knows what the actual measurements are. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:26:18 PM EDT
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I hope nobody measures the diameter of a piece of 1/2-inch pipe.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:27:29 PM EDT
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Lumber companies need to do the McDonalds thing..... Quarter pound pre-cooked weight.
It was a 2x4 before it was planed and dried. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:27:41 PM EDT
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People are really fucking stupid.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:28:34 PM EDT
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Which is fucking idiotic considering there are no fucking damages in the first place. Experience has taught us the true measurements, but there are unsuspecting, naïve new homeowners and others who actually believe the measurements and are surprised that nothing fits after building their projects. They don't know; they weren't taught. They get to learn the hard way and buy materials twice in some instances. There are your damages. AND, get into an old enough building and you WILL find "real" 2X4s, etc Lumber is unique where "nominal" isn't explained verses "actual". |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:29:21 PM EDT
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Didn't this already happen a couple years ago? |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:34:01 PM EDT
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I grew up in a house built with true 2x4s, etc. - big difference in strength. Houses used to last 100 years or more, not now. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:35:48 PM EDT
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Uhhhhh
1x6= 3/4"x 5-1/2" 1x8= 3/4"x 7-1/4" I'm gonna sue 
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:36:18 PM EDT
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Been done before with hard drives too.
https://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2006/06/7174-2/ |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:36:50 PM EDT
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Not exactly. Experience has taught us the true measurements, but there are unsuspecting, naïve new homeowners and others who actually believe the measurements and are surprised that nothing fits after building their projects. They don't know; they weren't taught. They get to learn the hard way and buy materials twice in some instances. There are your damages. AND, get into an old enough building and you WILL find "real" 2X4s, etc Lumber is unique where "nominal" isn't explained verses "actual". Lots of dickheads think building and remodeling is so easy until they fuck something important up. Then it is someone elses fault. |
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:38:18 PM EDT
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Regardless--it's bullshit. For those who know nothing--a tree is cut down and sawn into boards. Those boards are cut to exact size--2"X4", 4"X4", etc. They are then dried in a kiln to a certain percentage of moisture. During this time they twist, warp, and crack. The are then planed to dimensional size, which is what is sold--1 1/2" X 3 1/2" for a "2X4", etc. It's been this way since transportation allowed such things to occur. In the long past you went to a local (very local if using a horse-drawn wagon) and bought a full 2" X 4" "rough cut" board because that's what was available. It wasn't dried and it ended up warping in most cases, especially if not nailed up immediately. The "good old days" weren't exactly "good" in many ways. Edit: To further clarify, there is such a thing as "5/4 lumber"--pronounced "five quarter"--for instances where full dimension is needed. It costs more, but is available. It is rough cut to 2 1/4" X 4 1/4" then planed to a finished dimension of 2" X 4". This is most often seen on deck boards, where you need a full 1" board in order to not need so much structure underneath.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:38:24 PM EDT
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Not only were 50 year old 2x4s actually 2"x4" - they were harder wood too. And to think real carpenters used hand saws and made straight cuts.
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Posted: 6/22/2017 5:40:43 PM EDT
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Hope those folks don't have to buy any pipe.
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