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Posted: 6/16/2017 5:46:19 PM EDT
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Here, I'll hotlink it <Removed -40xb>
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-naval-vessel-collides-merchant-ship-southwest-japan-n773521 |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 5:48:03 PM EDT
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Here, I'll hotlink it <Removed -40xb>.[/url] |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 5:48:56 PM EDT
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How many billions do those things cost?
And it started flooding because it ran into a civilian boat? That does not bode well |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 5:51:15 PM EDT
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Captain had better get the number for that truck driving school from Goose.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 5:51:32 PM EDT
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It's not the first at sea collision and won't be the last. It happens, and yes careers end.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 5:53:07 PM EDT
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Well, aren't you all kinds of special? LOL |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 5:53:34 PM EDT
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Ive seen a Sailors career end over him crashing his dinghy into a base commanders civilian wife
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Posted: 6/16/2017 5:57:33 PM EDT
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Similar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehime_Maru_and_USS_Greeneville_collision |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 5:58:13 PM EDT
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CNN has some brief video. Damage to the starboard side with a list. Multiple pumps discharging overboard.
ETA: video at the link us-navy-destroyer-collides-with-merchant-ship-japan |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:01:09 PM EDT
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Captain had better get the number for that truck driving school from Goose. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:03:27 PM EDT
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I will add, normally it's not a case of not "seeing" the other vessel, every collision I've read about the USN boat was tracking the other ship and knew of its existence, but one ship or both makes a maneuver or two that makes collision unavoidable. I'll also say it's almost always the civilian vessel that screws up, as the officer of the deck on a USN ship is most assuredly competent and capable in navigation and rules of navigation.
I spent my USN career in CIC and was on the sea and anchor detail as qualification. I even steered the boat a couple times (in open ocean) 
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:05:24 PM EDT
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Navy boat people doing navy boat people things.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:05:52 PM EDT
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It's not the first at sea collision and won't be the last. It happens, and yes careers end. Good God...you just do NOT hit a ship like this in a high-tech marvel like a US Navy Destroyer. Freaking idiots get every bad thing coming their way. I just hope they did not kill and/or injure any of the crew of their ship or the Jap ship. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:07:19 PM EDT
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Life's better when you only see his posts if someone quotes him, he's one of the bigger fools around arf these days. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:09:08 PM EDT
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CNN has some brief video. Damage to the starboard side with a list. Multiple pumps discharging overboard. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:09:31 PM EDT
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CNN has some brief video. Damage to the starboard side with a list. Multiple pumps discharging overboard. I've never understood how a twin screw gas turbine destroyer with bridge control of the engines can get themselves into a situation like that. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:10:29 PM EDT
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Life's better when you only see his posts if someone quotes him, he's one of the bigger fools around arf these days. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, aren't you all kinds of special? LOL Posting a topic and not hotlinking is lazy bullshit, and when people are on a phone it sucks trying to copy and paste the link to go read the actual story. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:12:37 PM EDT
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I will add, normally it's not a case of not "seeing" the other vessel, every collision I've read about the USN boat was tracking the other ship and knew of its existence, but one ship or both makes a maneuver or two that makes collision unavoidable. I'll also say it's almost always the civilian vessel that screws up, as the officer of the deck on a USN ship is most assuredly competent and capable in navigation and rules of navigation. I spent my USN career in CIC and was on the sea and anchor detail as qualification. I even steered the boat a couple times (in open ocean) |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:15:02 PM EDT
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does hiding in the engine room while everyone thinks you went into the drink hurt your career as well ?
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:16:54 PM EDT
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I wonder how a young Nimitz would have fared in today's Navy with his grounding incident.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:17:59 PM EDT
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Nobody can be fired if they're hiding in an engineering space.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:18:48 PM EDT
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I will add, normally it's not a case of not "seeing" the other vessel, every collision I've read about the USN boat was tracking the other ship and knew of its existence, but one ship or both makes a maneuver or two that makes collision unavoidable. I'll also say it's almost always the civilian vessel that screws up, as the officer of the deck on a USN ship is most assuredly competent and capable in navigation and rules of navigation. I spent my USN career in CIC and was on the sea and anchor detail as qualification. I even steered the boat a couple times (in open ocean) |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:26:24 PM EDT
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I will add, normally it's not a case of not "seeing" the other vessel, every collision I've read about the USN boat was tracking the other ship and knew of its existence, but one ship or both makes a maneuver or two that makes collision unavoidable. I'll also say it's almost always the civilian vessel that screws up, as the officer of the deck on a USN ship is most assuredly competent and capable in navigation and rules of navigation. I spent my USN career in CIC and was on the sea and anchor detail as qualification. I even steered the boat a couple times (in open ocean) 
we civilian mariners have a saying "if it's painted grey, stay away" |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:27:04 PM EDT
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Damage on the starboard side? Oh, that's extra not good. Buh bye for the OOD, JOOD, TAO, SWO, XO and CO. I've never understood how a twin screw gas turbine destroyer with bridge control of the engines can get themselves into a situation like that. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:27:49 PM EDT
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Damage on the starboard side? Oh, that's extra not good. Buh bye for the OOD, JOOD, TAO, SWO, XO and CO. I've never understood how a twin screw gas turbine destroyer with bridge control of the engines can get themselves into a situation like that. How quickly can a Burke crash stop? In its own length? |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:30:48 PM EDT
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Ya-coask-ka Japan
That shit ain't gonna' buff out. Major failure of a bunch of people - there would have been a whole watch team that should have seen this coming. 
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:31:22 PM EDT
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I will add, normally it's not a case of not "seeing" the other vessel, every collision I've read about the USN boat was tracking the other ship and knew of its existence, but one ship or both makes a maneuver or two that makes collision unavoidable. I'll also say it's almost always the civilian vessel that screws up, as the officer of the deck on a USN ship is most assuredly competent and capable in navigation and rules of navigation. 
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:34:25 PM EDT
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we civilian mariners have a saying "if it's painted grey, stay away" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I will add, normally it's not a case of not "seeing" the other vessel, every collision I've read about the USN boat was tracking the other ship and knew of its existence, but one ship or both makes a maneuver or two that makes collision unavoidable. I'll also say it's almost always the civilian vessel that screws up, as the officer of the deck on a USN ship is most assuredly competent and capable in navigation and rules of navigation. I spent my USN career in CIC and was on the sea and anchor detail as qualification. I even steered the boat a couple times (in open ocean)
we civilian mariners have a saying "if it's painted grey, stay away" I will say as someone that's trained several former active SWOs moving over the the merchie side, shiphandling was always their biggest weakness. Paperwork and navigation stuff was usually fine and they tend to be pretty conscientious about things in general, it usually just took a while before I felt comfortable turning them loose in port(especially Fourchon). |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:39:28 PM EDT
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Kek. I will say as someone that's trained several former active SWOs moving over the the merchie side, shiphandling was always their biggest weakness. Paperwork and navigation stuff was usually fine and they tend to be pretty conscientious about things in general, it usually just took a while before I felt comfortable turning them loose in port(especially Fourchon). Put yokahamas out EVERYWHERE. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:41:01 PM EDT
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Kek. I will say as someone that's trained several former active SWOs moving over the the merchie side, shiphandling was always their biggest weakness. Paperwork and navigation stuff was usually fine and they tend to be pretty conscientious about things in general, it usually just took a while before I felt comfortable turning them loose in port(especially Fourchon). |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:45:01 PM EDT
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I'm surprised there is a demand for SWOs in the MM fleet, considering the number of Merchant Marine academies.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:47:32 PM EDT
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How many billions do those things cost? And it started flooding because it ran into a civilian boat? That does not bode well |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:50:52 PM EDT
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Captain had better get the number for that truck driving school from Goose. ETA: Holy crap. FOX just showed pictures. Medivacing some of the injured and towing to port. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:55:04 PM EDT
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Right? IMO KP (a taxpayer funded school) should be shut down. The state schools are more than capable of supplying green 3rds who think they know everything to the MM. MARAD is an interesting beast. As a person who thinks about mobilization issues, its a budget-dust investment in maintaining the ability to man non-Jones Act shipping, if the situation calls for it. I'd love a robust American merchant fleet a la the 1950s. I just don't know how to do it, now. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:56:45 PM EDT
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I'm thinking just from the damage shown in the CNN clip that someone was ignoring a red light. The container ship had the green light. How quickly can a Burke crash stop? In its own length? |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:56:58 PM EDT
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Navigating on the surface at night ain't no joke even with all the tools available.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:57:15 PM EDT
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Most expensive artificial reef build in a long while
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:57:31 PM EDT
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I'd say the opposite, though I'm pretty biased. The State MMAs are the anachronism. At least the KPers are learning a trade. I've heard some interesting (though completely self-serving) anecdotes about KPers in the Fleet recently. MARAD is an interesting beast. As a person who thinks about mobilization issues, its a budget-dust investment in maintaining the ability to man non-Jones Act shipping, if the situation calls for it. I'd love a robust American merchant fleet a la the 1950s. I just don't know how to do it, now. We simply couldn't do a mass mobilization. Marad would go into vapor lock. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:59:09 PM EDT
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I wonder how a young Nimitz would have fared in today's Navy with his grounding incident. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:02:28 PM EDT
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You must be a KP kid. We simply couldn't do a mass mobilization. Marad would go into vapor lock. Oh, we'd have issues across the board in a mass mob scenario. If you think MARAD sucks in such a scenario, swing by the rest of the DOD sometime. I honestly don't think there are 10 people within the USAF who would what to do with CRAF, and that's on the shelf, with a massive highly competent fire-and-forget civilian infrastructure, and has been exercised. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:08:09 PM EDT
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Similar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehime_Maru_and_USS_Greeneville_collision |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:08:16 PM EDT
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CIVLANT on the spot.... well, after finishing his commitment as MWR Officer in Keflavik anyhow. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder how a young Nimitz would have fared in today's Navy with his grounding incident. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:10:03 PM EDT
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You must be a KP kid. We simply couldn't do a mass mobilization. Marad would go into vapor lock. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd say the opposite, though I'm pretty biased. The State MMAs are the anachronism. At least the KPers are learning a trade. I've heard some interesting (though completely self-serving) anecdotes about KPers in the Fleet recently. MARAD is an interesting beast. As a person who thinks about mobilization issues, its a budget-dust investment in maintaining the ability to man non-Jones Act shipping, if the situation calls for it. I'd love a robust American merchant fleet a la the 1950s. I just don't know how to do it, now. We simply couldn't do a mass mobilization. Marad would go into vapor lock. 
Maine Maritime Academy '02D 1600 Ton Master, Unlimited Third Mate and Master of Towing Vessels upon Oceans |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:10:05 PM EDT
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Folks, knock of the insults. They are not allowed and will result in warnings. Read the CoC.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:11:48 PM EDT
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In my experience, Kings Pointers got what they paid for in an education.
Maine Maritime Academy '02D 1600 Ton Master, Unlimited Third Mate and Master of Towing Vessels upon Oceans
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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:14:19 PM EDT
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It is not the just the Captain's career that will be over. It will include the OOD and the Navigator, probably the petty officer driving the boat and a number of others. Good God...you just do NOT hit a ship like this in a high-tech marvel like a US Navy Destroyer. Freaking idiots get every bad thing coming their way. I just hope they did not kill and/or injure any of the crew of their ship or the Jap ship. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:16:13 PM EDT
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we civilian mariners have a saying "if it's painted grey, stay away"
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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:19:12 PM EDT
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That raises questions as to whether the current practice is really the best practice. Nimitz got to learn from his mistake and become a capable officer. I wonder if there were any officers with real potential who got everything cut short over a mistake. I can understand, on the other hand, not cutting senior officers slack when they screw up badly; they ought to know better. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:21:45 PM EDT
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Still worried about being pressed? We don't do that any more. But you guys wouldn't want me anyway. 
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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:21:54 PM EDT
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It isn't the best practice, for sure. But zero-defect is the mentality that has been decreed. I suspect it came from Uncle Hymie and his nuclear nerds. |
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