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Link Posted: 6/9/2017 7:49:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By helmet91:
I've got to wonder how a hypothetical SEAL spouting this BS would be addressed by GD?

Do prior CAG operators get a free pass?
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Ask everyone how they feel about Brandon Webb. 
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 7:50:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 7:57:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Riafdnal:


No, I said we have to work together. All of us pro 2A people are on the same team. I repeated this at the end too.

All of this eating our own at the first sign of disagreement is weakening us as a whole.
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You may have said that but a lot of us heard you blaming this whole mess on those who were upset with the what Pat said rather than the person who actually said it.

I also only heard lots of excuses but never really heard an apology.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 8:09:27 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Riafdnal:


No, I said we have to work together. All of us pro 2A people are on the same team. I repeated this at the end too.

All of this eating our own at the first sign of disagreement is weakening us as a whole.
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Telling anti-gunners to fuck off isn't eating our own. They're not on the team. They can go anti with Everytown. If they're a pro poser they best keep their trap shut. 2A folks are tired of taking it in the ass the last 80 years.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 8:09:28 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 8:12:38 AM EDT
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Dupe. Already covered.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 8:15:58 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/9/2017 8:26:47 AM EDT
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I'm glad the guy could be the stand-in man for 2A supporters on national TV and tell the antis what they wanted to hear then double down on social media, just so he could "clear the air" with the exact opposite opinion on a sympathetic podcast that only a relatively tiny number of people will ever listen to.

Nutgarglers have already assembled in this thread and been righteously slapped down for their dumbassery, thankfully. The same nutgarglers that show up every time some trainer NDs into his family member or fucks up in some other spectacular way to tell us how "in the know" they are and what a great guy the trainer is, and how you wouldn't tell the trainer how wrong he was to his face (because apparently they're all mentally unstable and would kick your ass over a disagreement?)

I'm not saying the guy is an anti-gun loon and the second coming of Sarah Brady, but that was fucking dumb, especially when you're tapped to be an example of the pro-gun side of things, and especially when it's about one of the things that anti-gunners do occasionally win a legislative battle over. He clearly doesn't share my opinion on the issue, which makes him wrong about the 2A in my opinion. Doesn't make him evil or stupid, but it is very poor form to go on national television and crap on what is one of the more contentious gun issues in many areas.

At the same time, firearms trainer and 2A advocate definitely don't have to mesh and clearly don't entirely. Had plenty of training exercises and classes where the trainer mentioned something that showed a disapproval for some level of civilian gun ownership and carrying. Its rare and typically just an offhand comment, but by no means does "instructor" mean "2A advocate". I don't take HSLD celebrity courses though and just do what work sends me to or allows me to take, and definitely isn't an impressive resume.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 8:58:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Deadmeat3344:
The guy who asked the question has accepted Pat's answers in the stream FWIW
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I tipped my hat to P&S and thanked them for giving up the evenings podcast to dedicate to the topic. It was getting late for me and I needed to go to bed. Been catching up on the modcast this morning.

Originally Posted By Master_Shake_TX:
I think that was more in regards to Pat accusing him of being the same guy throwing out death threats. We corrected the error in the comments and they mentioned that it was not him on the stream.
That being said, he said that his support of mandatory wait periods was based off threats on his life and not thinking clearly. The only problem with that is those threats happened long after the question was asked and the answer was given...
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This. I wanted to make it clear I simply asked a question. Last thing I want is people thinking I'm making death threats.

I still respect Pat for what his service and his capabilities. The dude is a great shooter and is clearly in better shape than me. Haha. We do STILL disagree though.
I know he says he doesn't support UBC & waiting periods, but he supports those people who DO think that way and says they're not wrong. I disagree. I think they and he are wrong.

Would you mind a three day waiting period to write an opinion on the internet? Or to walk out your door and hold up a sign? We don't regulate other rights this way.

I do think he general supports the Second Amendment and I understand getting in front of a camera and doing an interview they'll snip and splice how they want.
It's unfortunate how it all played out. I don't think he supports the referenced as a whole, which is good but like I said, I think he's wrong to tell others that DO support it that they're NOT wrong. We're "pretty much" on the same page.

Originally Posted By Smithy:
So, The guy asked a question and it was answered straight up. Then a crawfish and the guy that asked the question accepts the crawfish? That's rich.
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Not quite. But take it as you will.

Originally Posted By Deadmeat3344:
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@Deadmeat3344 Thanks, learned a new feature. Didn't know you could tag on here.


I was going to post a second post but since this one is long already I wanted to bring up a couple other things that were mentioned by the line up.

I’ve volunteered many hours to 2A events here in MI. I’m active with participating in legislation locally. Was on the Board of Directors for Michigan Gun Owners. Organized and attend 2A rallies at our capitol. Write, call and talk with our elected officials. Have given Project Child Safe classes.
Hell, I’ve even done my own local TV interview.

Also attend as much training as I can afford.

Yes, I’m Joe Blow who likes guns but I’m not just sitting on my ass posting to the internet.

Anyway. Back to business as usual. Time to go make some gunporn.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 9:00:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:

http://i.imgur.com/ss1ciW9.jpg

Map has slightly changed. But it gets the point across. Not all states get to skip point of sale background with a CCW.
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Michigan should be green.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 9:53:01 AM EDT
IMO, he is looking for some fame and I guess it wasn't coming so he sided with an anti 2A comedy central show.

He can say he was edited all he wants but after the couric 2A hit piece you'd have to be a fucking moron to go on a CC show NOT expecting to be the punch line.

And, he better hope he isn't lying about being edited because i'm sure the producers of that shit show could give a rats ass about him and would be happy to release the full unedited segment to prove what his opinion is.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 10:02:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Pyzik:
Michigan should be green.
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Originally Posted By Pyzik:
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:

http://i.imgur.com/ss1ciW9.jpg

Map has slightly changed. But it gets the point across. Not all states get to skip point of sale background with a CCW.
Michigan should be green.
Hence why I said map has changed. I couldn't find a current 2017 map.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 10:04:52 AM EDT
Fuckin A, why doesn't Pat have his lawyer order a cease a desist on CC's hit piece then? That little bit most definitely is having an impact on his livelihood and business, and I'd damn sure be speaking to my lawyers for the liberal shitbags taking advantage of my position and stature for their own agenda. 

The lack of a legal response from him is ringing my BS meter, cause I damn sure wouldn't stand for some cuck whitebread motherfucker ruining my training business.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 10:15:27 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By azindude:
Fuckin A, why doesn't Pat have his lawyer order a cease a desist on CC's hit piece then? That little bit most definitely is having an impact on his livelihood and business, and I'd damn sure be speaking to my lawyers for the liberal shitbags taking advantage of my position and stature for their own agenda. 

The lack of a legal response from him is ringing my BS meter, cause I damn sure wouldn't stand for some cuck whitebread motherfucker ruining my training business.
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In the practical order, if he did, he would only waste money on attorney fees.

I was ammused by his response that he wasn't going to tell the antis, they are wrong. I don't know the man, but he does not come off as a shrinking violet that is afraid to confront someone.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 10:18:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By skifast:


In the practical order, if he did, he would only waste money on attorney fees.

I was ammused by his response that he wasn't going to tell the antis, they are wrong. I don't know the man, but he does not come off as a shrinking violet that is afraid to confront someone.
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If this gets worse, then he might lose more money in class enrollment than he would with legal fees in the long run. 

Then again, I bet most of his students are LEO and mil anyways, so probably won't be a big deal if some printer repair men don't take his classes.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 10:18:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 10:24:30 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Aimless:

he was posting on social media that he was sticking to his background check delayed guns for several days before he switched to the editing claim
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I know he did, which already rang my BS meter before the backtrack. The halfhearted claim isn't helping either.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 10:46:43 AM EDT
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There ought to be a rule something along the lines of "We don't talk to libtards".

Comedy central is nothing but vial libtard propaganda. And the show Patmac is on is just that.
Saw this on NPR this morning. Absolutely disgusting.

http://www.npr.org/2017/06/09/531909598/comic-jordan-klepper-on-his-new-gun-documentary-and-leaving-the-daily-show

What utter horse excrement. I see this libtarder propagandist is peddling suicides as "gun violence"

http://www.cc.com/video-playlists/vek0yl/stand-up-jordan-solves-previews/rq6hsp
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 10:57:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:


Physique seems to hold more weight than background.

Ass kissing the target demographic helps.

Larry Vickers became PNGed by the mob when he got fat and made the printer repairman crack.

The fanboys that I've butted heads over the years have at about 5:1 fixated on how "fit" (read: ripped) the guy is over his military background. I think some of these trainers should make a shirtless calendar for a fundraiser.
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So it's just like the Army then?

Link Posted: 6/9/2017 10:59:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Watched it.... it was a classic cluster fuck bait and switch.

With in the first thirty seconds the host started insulting gun rights advocates and claimed that we had to compromise with gun grabbers. That absolutists are bad. Well I have to ruin their parade because gun grabbers are absolutists and will never quit until the 2nd Amendment is abolished in its entirety. They then defended Macnamara by claiming he was a victim due to heavy editing on Comedy Central. That Macnamara was just voicing support of compromise. That "he personally doesn't support UBC and waiting periods" but that he supports those that do since they can have an opinion.

If Pat Macnamara was the victim of selective editing then why didn't he actually come out at first and State that? Why the social media comment where he stated that he does support waiting?

For the most part this was hero worship and the belief of "Us vs Them" was shown. Cool that they all served and some have badges and such. Doesn't matter. 

THE 2ND AMENDMENT APPLIES TO ALL. Whether they're high speed snake eaters with bristling pectorals or 300lbs printer repair men with a XD in a $10 nylon Ace brand holster. 
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Primary and secondary IS a mil/Leo circle jerk. Those guys have forearms bigger than their thighs.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 11:02:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By gene_wi:
There ought to be a rule something along the lines of "We don't talk to libtards".

Comedy central is nothing but vial libtard propaganda. And the show Patmac is on is just that.
Saw this on NPR this morning. Absolutely disgusting.

http://www.npr.org/2017/06/09/531909598/comic-jordan-klepper-on-his-new-gun-documentary-and-leaving-the-daily-show

What utter horse excrement. I see this libtarder propagandist is peddling suicides as "gun violence"

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For Pat being such a smart guy you'd think he'd realize that there are some things you just don't do.

Being a patsy for lib media is one of them. No matter who you are or what you have to say you will be made a fool. You will be edited to look like a fucking idiot and or to support the liberal agenda.

They don't care if you spent a career killing bad guys. You are nothing more than a face to add to their trophy wall of fools.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 11:09:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:


Physique seems to hold more weight than background.

Ass kissing the target demographic helps.

Larry Vickers became PNGed by the mob when he got fat and made the printer repairman crack.

The fanboys that I've butted heads over the years have at about 5:1 fixated on how "fit" (read: ripped) the guy is over his military background. I think some of these trainers should make a shirtless calendar for a fundraiser.
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That made me laugh because its probably true. Larry vickers though, you can tell hes so full of himself its not even funny.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 11:40:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ivan1:
That made me laugh because its probably true. Larry vickers though, you can tell hes so full of himself its not even funny.
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Originally Posted By Ivan1:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:


Physique seems to hold more weight than background.

Ass kissing the target demographic helps.

Larry Vickers became PNGed by the mob when he got fat and made the printer repairman crack.

The fanboys that I've butted heads over the years have at about 5:1 fixated on how "fit" (read: ripped) the guy is over his military background. I think some of these trainers should make a shirtless calendar for a fundraiser.
That made me laugh because its probably true. Larry vickers though, you can tell hes so full of himself its not even funny.
ya no one realized what happened to larry and how fucked up he is from his SF time. the guy is teaching you knowledge and how to improve ones self.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 11:57:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By natew73:
Who is this and why should I care?
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This.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 12:21:21 PM EDT
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With the recent fallout over the video of Pat McNamara from an upcoming television episode on Comedy Central, folks have begun to ask us what our position is on this. Some have even asked us to remove Pat McNamara as one of our instructors in the Panteao Make Ready Series. 

First, let me be extremely clear that everyone at Panteao Productions supports the Second Amendment. We are all NRA members and our company view (as well as mine personally) is that the Second Amendment is not up for debate. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. That is very clear in my book.  

Getting back to Pat McNamara, I watched the video trailer in question and will be watching the full episode when it airs later. The first thought that came to mind was the folks at Comedy Central edited the footage to push their agenda. I have a feeling the majority of comments made by Pat that support the Second Amendment and gun ownership in general may have been “left on the cutting room floor” or turned into shorter snippets. With the folks at Comedy Central, I would expect no less. In all fairness, it would help to watch the whole video which hasn’t even aired yet. 

Do I believe in waiting periods? No. Do I believe in universal background checks? No. That said, there are Second Amendment supporters out there that do believe there should be some form of background check. Others believe in some form of waiting period. That does not make them anti-gun or the enemy of the Second Amendment. 

I do not believe that distancing ourselves from Pat over a single video piece is the answer. While we do not agree with his stance on certain topics, we do feel that he supports the Second Amendment. Pat served our country honorably and continues to teach both civilians and law enforcement on proper gun handling. That should count for something. 

If anything, maybe his video segment on Comedy Central will cause some mainstream anti-gunners out there or folks sitting on the fence to stop and rethink their stance. Maybe some will go to the range or take a pistol or carbine class and see the light. 

Fernando
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Originally Posted By PanteaoProductions:
Do I believe in waiting periods? No. Do I believe in universal background checks? No. That said, there are Second Amendment supporters out there that do believe there should be some form of background check. Others believe in some form of waiting period. That does not make them anti-gun or the enemy of the Second Amendment. 
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1. Yes, it does. 

2. Pat doubled down on his comments via social media. Did Comedy Central hack his Instagram? 

I would highly recommend that you speak to Pat about making a very clear, honest statement about his feelings on further infringements on the 2nd Amendment. 

Panteo's continued promotion of people with pro-gun control attitudes will lose them customers, including me. 
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 12:27:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PanteaoProductions:
With the recent fallout over the video of Pat McNamara from an upcoming television episode on Comedy Central, folks have begun to ask us what our position is on this. Some have even asked us to remove Pat McNamara as one of our instructors in the Panteao Make Ready Series. 

First, let me be extremely clear that everyone at Panteao Productions supports the Second Amendment. We are all NRA members and our company view (as well as mine personally) is that the Second Amendment is not up for debate. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. That is very clear in my book.  

Getting back to Pat McNamara, I watched the video trailer in question and will be watching the full episode when it airs later. The first thought that came to mind was the folks at Comedy Central edited the footage to push their agenda. I have a feeling the majority of comments made by Pat that support the Second Amendment and gun ownership in general may have been “left on the cutting room floor” or turned into shorter snippets. With the folks at Comedy Central, I would expect no less. In all fairness, it would help to watch the whole video which hasn’t even aired yet. 

Do I believe in waiting periods? No. Do I believe in universal background checks? No. That said, there are Second Amendment supporters out there that do believe there should be some form of background check. Others believe in some form of waiting period. That does not make them anti-gun or the enemy of the Second Amendment. 

I do not believe that distancing ourselves from Pat over a single video piece is the answer. While we do not agree with his stance on certain topics, we do feel that he supports the Second Amendment. Pat served our country honorably and continues to teach both civilians and law enforcement on proper gun handling. That should count for something. 

If anything, maybe his video segment on Comedy Central will cause some mainstream anti-gunners out there or folks sitting on the fence to stop and rethink their stance. Maybe some will go to the range or take a pistol or carbine class and see the light. 

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I disagree.  In making statements on Comedy Central and then in social media follow-ups, Pat gave anti-gunners ammunition to use in the fight against our rights.  This is NOT just a difference in opinion on trivial matters.  Rest assured, we WILL see this used by politicians and social "do-gooders" as further evidence that even gunowners believe in UBC or "common sense gun laws".
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 12:29:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
If he wants to stand on his compromising with gun grabbers then he should own it. Don't be a pussy about it.

He is more than entitled to his opinion. But don't think for one second those of us who believe in the true intent of the 2nd Amendment are going to cock gobble someone who wants to "compromise". Fuck that.

Culling the herd is not "weakening us as a whole". It actually makes our group stronger when we get rid of those who give up our rights.

We can disagree on 1911 vs Glock, 9mm vs 45, no problem. But don't think for one second myself and many like me will support ANYONE who is for "compromise" with the gun grabbers. You are then my enemy.
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By Riafdnal:
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:

With in the first thirty seconds the host started insulting gun rights advocates and claimed that we had to compromise with gun grabbers 
No, I said we have to work together. All of us pro 2A people are on the same team. I repeated this at the end too.

All of this eating our own at the first sign of disagreement is weakening us as a whole.
If he wants to stand on his compromising with gun grabbers then he should own it. Don't be a pussy about it.

He is more than entitled to his opinion. But don't think for one second those of us who believe in the true intent of the 2nd Amendment are going to cock gobble someone who wants to "compromise". Fuck that.

Culling the herd is not "weakening us as a whole". It actually makes our group stronger when we get rid of those who give up our rights.

We can disagree on 1911 vs Glock, 9mm vs 45, no problem. But don't think for one second myself and many like me will support ANYONE who is for "compromise" with the gun grabbers. You are then my enemy.
Amen!
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 12:31:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
1. Yes, it does. 

2. Pat doubled down on his comments via social media. Did Comedy Central hack his Instagram? 
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Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
Originally Posted By PanteaoProductions:
Do I believe in waiting periods? No. Do I believe in universal background checks? No. That said, there are Second Amendment supporters out there that do believe there should be some form of background check. Others believe in some form of waiting period. That does not make them anti-gun or the enemy of the Second Amendment. 
1. Yes, it does. 

2. Pat doubled down on his comments via social media. Did Comedy Central hack his Instagram? 
again, no it doesn't. They're just not that bright and are duped into thinking that because they're nice people and think the anti people are the same.
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Originally Posted By sardo_67:
again, no it doesn't. They're just not that bright and are duped into thinking that because they're nice people and think the anti people are the same.
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Originally Posted By sardo_67:
Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
Originally Posted By PanteaoProductions:
Do I believe in waiting periods? No. Do I believe in universal background checks? No. That said, there are Second Amendment supporters out there that do believe there should be some form of background check. Others believe in some form of waiting period. That does not make them anti-gun or the enemy of the Second Amendment. 
1. Yes, it does. 

2. Pat doubled down on his comments via social media. Did Comedy Central hack his Instagram? 
again, no it doesn't. They're just not that bright and are duped into thinking that because they're nice people and think the anti people are the same.
It absolutely does. Ignorance is NOT an excuse. They are actively working for the destruction of the 2nd Amendment like any other anti-gunner. 
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 12:36:37 PM EDT
*shrug*


He's still a badass.
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the sad thing in the gun world is how fast people eat their own and go full retard like some crazy fat pink haired lezbo Bernie fan for oppressing her and its everyone else's fault her masters in gender studies is worthless.

then I get sucked into this group by others who then think I'm a gun nut and rabid 2A wacko of some kind. I wonder what the next 10yr will bring and if it will be time for me to dump all my guns and gun related things at sky high prices during the next panic and then move onto something better, no one makes me sigh and mumble "oh what the fuck" as much as "gun people".




Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
Originally Posted By sardo_67:
Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
Originally Posted By PanteaoProductions:
Do I believe in waiting periods? No. Do I believe in universal background checks? No. That said, there are Second Amendment supporters out there that do believe there should be some form of background check. Others believe in some form of waiting period. That does not make them anti-gun or the enemy of the Second Amendment.
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1. Yes, it does.

2. Pat doubled down on his comments via social media. Did Comedy Central hack his Instagram?
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again, no it doesn't. They're just not that bright and are duped into thinking that because they're nice people and think the anti people are the same.
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It absolutely does. Ignorance is NOT an excuse. They are actively working for the destruction of the 2nd Amendment like any other anti-gunner.
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no, it in fact does not. it shouldn't even be a "muh rights" kind of issue but unfortunately we have stooped that low.
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Originally Posted By skifast:


In the practical order, if he did, he would only waste money on attorney fees.

I was ammused by his response that he wasn't going to tell the antis, they are wrong. I don't know the man, but he does not come off as a shrinking violet that is afraid to confront someone.
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Yeah,since two posters in this thread insinuated he'd physically attack anyone who disagreed with him.
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Originally Posted By PanteaoProductions:
With the recent fallout over the video of Pat McNamara from an upcoming television episode on Comedy Central, folks have begun to ask us what our position is on this. Some have even asked us to remove Pat McNamara as one of our instructors in the Panteao Make Ready Series. 

First, let me be extremely clear that everyone at Panteao Productions supports the Second Amendment. We are all NRA members and our company view (as well as mine personally) is that the Second Amendment is not up for debate. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. That is very clear in my book.  

Getting back to Pat McNamara, I watched the video trailer in question and will be watching the full episode when it airs later. The first thought that came to mind was the folks at Comedy Central edited the footage to push their agenda. I have a feeling the majority of comments made by Pat that support the Second Amendment and gun ownership in general may have been “left on the cutting room floor” or turned into shorter snippets. With the folks at Comedy Central, I would expect no less. In all fairness, it would help to watch the whole video which hasn’t even aired yet. 

Do I believe in waiting periods? No. Do I believe in universal background checks? No. That said, there are Second Amendment supporters out there that do believe there should be some form of background check. Others believe in some form of waiting period. That does not make them anti-gun or the enemy of the Second Amendment. 

I do not believe that distancing ourselves from Pat over a single video piece is the answer. While we do not agree with his stance on certain topics, we do feel that he supports the Second Amendment. Pat served our country honorably and continues to teach both civilians and law enforcement on proper gun handling. That should count for something. 

If anything, maybe his video segment on Comedy Central will cause some mainstream anti-gunners out there or folks sitting on the fence to stop and rethink their stance. Maybe some will go to the range or take a pistol or carbine class and see the light. 

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I didn't know who Pat was until I clicked on this thread last night.

1) it wasn't just a single (possibly edited) Comedy Central skit. He doubled down via social media.
2) Being a veteran means nothing in regards to his comments
3) "Stand and Fight" not compromise and then backtrack.
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Originally Posted By sardo_67:
the sad thing in the gun world is how fast people eat their own and go full retard like some crazy fat pink haired lezbo Bernie fan for oppressing her and its everyone else's fault her masters in gender studies is worthless. 
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It has been said multiple times but I guess you missed it. 

Anyone in favor of infringing on the 2nd Amendment IS NOT ONE OF OUR OWN. 
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 12:42:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PanteaoProductions:
With the recent fallout over the video of Pat McNamara from an upcoming television episode on Comedy Central, folks have begun to ask us what our position is on this. Some have even asked us to remove Pat McNamara as one of our instructors in the Panteao Make Ready Series. 

First, let me be extremely clear that everyone at Panteao Productions supports the Second Amendment. We are all NRA members and our company view (as well as mine personally) is that the Second Amendment is not up for debate. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. That is very clear in my book.  

Getting back to Pat McNamara, I watched the video trailer in question and will be watching the full episode when it airs later. The first thought that came to mind was the folks at Comedy Central edited the footage to push their agenda. I have a feeling the majority of comments made by Pat that support the Second Amendment and gun ownership in general may have been “left on the cutting room floor” or turned into shorter snippets. With the folks at Comedy Central, I would expect no less. In all fairness, it would help to watch the whole video which hasn’t even aired yet. 

Do I believe in waiting periods? No. Do I believe in universal background checks? No. That said, there are Second Amendment supporters out there that do believe there should be some form of background check. Others believe in some form of waiting period. That does not make them anti-gun or the enemy of the Second Amendment. 

I do not believe that distancing ourselves from Pat over a single video piece is the answer. While we do not agree with his stance on certain topics, we do feel that he supports the Second Amendment. Pat served our country honorably and continues to teach both civilians and law enforcement on proper gun handling. That should count for something. 

If anything, maybe his video segment on Comedy Central will cause some mainstream anti-gunners out there or folks sitting on the fence to stop and rethink their stance. Maybe some will go to the range or take a pistol or carbine class and see the light. 

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Did you ever pay Paul Howe the money that you owed him?
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 12:45:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
It has been said multiple times but I guess you missed it. 

Anyone in favor of infringing on the 2nd Amendment IS NOT ONE OF OUR OWN. 
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Originally Posted By sardo_67:
the sad thing in the gun world is how fast people eat their own and go full retard like some crazy fat pink haired lezbo Bernie fan for oppressing her and its everyone else's fault her masters in gender studies is worthless. 
It has been said multiple times but I guess you missed it. 

Anyone in favor of infringing on the 2nd Amendment IS NOT ONE OF OUR OWN. 
I know, you're the fat lezbo I mentioned above that I will be selling my guns, mags and ammo to for 10x what I paid in a decade or so.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 12:52:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PanteaoProductions:
Do I believe in waiting periods? No. Do I believe in universal background checks? No. That said, there are Second Amendment supporters out there that do believe there should be some form of background check. Others believe in some form of waiting period. That does not make them anti-gun or the enemy of the Second Amendment. 

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Link Posted: 6/9/2017 12:58:24 PM EDT
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Everyone in the gun industry better wake the fuck up and start being pro active and on the attack to promote and pass PRO gun laws!

THIS IS OUR TIME, THE NRA SAYS IT'S FINALLY GOING TO BE AGGRESSIVE AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT DISSENSION.

I'm not going to waste the rest of this presidential term on sons of bitches talking compromises.

Pat or whoever, If you are reading this you better get on board or get left behind.

Yes, i'm a nobody on a gun forum I understand... but I am not the only nobody
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 12:59:12 PM EDT
It's a sad day when a guy who makes a living on 2A believes in major part of the SAFE Act.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 1:03:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PanteaoProductions:
With the recent fallout over the video of Pat McNamara from an upcoming television episode on Comedy Central, folks have begun to ask us what our position is on this. Some have even asked us to remove Pat McNamara as one of our instructors in the Panteao Make Ready Series. 

First, let me be extremely clear that everyone at Panteao Productions supports the Second Amendment. We are all NRA members and our company view (as well as mine personally) is that the Second Amendment is not up for debate. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. That is very clear in my book.  

Getting back to Pat McNamara, I watched the video trailer in question and will be watching the full episode when it airs later. The first thought that came to mind was the folks at Comedy Central edited the footage to push their agenda. I have a feeling the majority of comments made by Pat that support the Second Amendment and gun ownership in general may have been “left on the cutting room floor” or turned into shorter snippets. With the folks at Comedy Central, I would expect no less. In all fairness, it would help to watch the whole video which hasn’t even aired yet. 

Do I believe in waiting periods? No. Do I believe in universal background checks? No. That said, there are Second Amendment supporters out there that do believe there should be some form of background check. Others believe in some form of waiting period. That does not make them anti-gun or the enemy of the Second Amendment. 

I do not believe that distancing ourselves from Pat over a single video piece is the answer. While we do not agree with his stance on certain topics, we do feel that he supports the Second Amendment. Pat served our country honorably and continues to teach both civilians and law enforcement on proper gun handling. That should count for something. 

If anything, maybe his video segment on Comedy Central will cause some mainstream anti-gunners out there or folks sitting on the fence to stop and rethink their stance. Maybe some will go to the range or take a pistol or carbine class and see the light. 

Fernando
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Oh no you didn't......

This is gonna get good now.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 1:13:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PanteaoProductions:

I do not believe that distancing ourselves from Pat over a single video piece is the answer. While we do not agree with his stance on certain topics, we do feel that he supports the Second Amendment. Pat served our country honorably and continues to teach both civilians and law enforcement on proper gun handling. That should count for something. 

If anything, maybe his video segment on Comedy Central will cause some mainstream anti-gunners out there or folks sitting on the fence to stop and rethink their stance. Maybe some will go to the range or take a pistol or carbine class and see the light. 

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To the first point, why? Pat should have been smart enough to know that the vast majority of the media isn't gun friendly, and shilling for them is a losing proposition.

To the second point, I'd love to see any data that your proposition is nothing more than complete fantasy.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 1:14:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tomislav:
*shrug*


He's still a badass.
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Him and several hundred other people, who unlike Mr. MacNamara, aren't diving in front of a camera to fuck me.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 1:30:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PanteaoProductions:

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Do I believe in waiting periods? No. Do I believe in universal background checks? No. That said, there are Second Amendment supporters out there that do believe there should be some form of background check. Others believe in some form of waiting period. That does not make them anti-gun or the enemy of the Second Amendment. 

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Originally Posted By PanteaoProductions:

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Do I believe in waiting periods? No. Do I believe in universal background checks? No. That said, there are Second Amendment supporters out there that do believe there should be some form of background check. Others believe in some form of waiting period. That does not make them anti-gun or the enemy of the Second Amendment. 

...Snip

Fernando
Those people are compromisers and would sell you out in a New York minute. Those are the same people that think having a magazine capacity ban is okay or that having to register your arms and store them at the local police is fine. They're the type of folks that are okay with a handgun ban because they only use their Remington 870 for duck hunting. 

***Godwin's Law in play***

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—

and there was no one left to speak for me.
Compromisers have no issue selling you or I down the river as long as they're secure in what they want for the time being. We lost our rights due to Compromise. I do not support it more approve of it. 

My Civil Rights are not up for debate or to be sold via compromise. 

The Gun Grabbers are absolutist. They have one goal. The complete eradication of the 2nd Amendment and the abolishment of the ownership of arms from American society.

When Absolutists like me are gone. The Gun Grabbers and Statists will go after the Compromisers next.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 1:36:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
If he wants to stand on his compromising with gun grabbers then he should own it. Don't be a pussy about it.

He is more than entitled to his opinion. But don't think for one second those of us who believe in the true intent of the 2nd Amendment are going to cock gobble someone who wants to "compromise". Fuck that.

Culling the herd is not "weakening us as a whole". It actually makes our group stronger when we get rid of those who give up our rights.

We can disagree on 1911 vs Glock, 9mm vs 45, no problem. But don't think for one second myself and many like me will support ANYONE who is for "compromise" with the gun grabbers. You are then my enemy.
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Originally Posted By Riafdnal:
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:

With in the first thirty seconds the host started insulting gun rights advocates and claimed that we had to compromise with gun grabbers 
No, I said we have to work together. All of us pro 2A people are on the same team. I repeated this at the end too.

All of this eating our own at the first sign of disagreement is weakening us as a whole.
If he wants to stand on his compromising with gun grabbers then he should own it. Don't be a pussy about it.

He is more than entitled to his opinion. But don't think for one second those of us who believe in the true intent of the 2nd Amendment are going to cock gobble someone who wants to "compromise". Fuck that.

Culling the herd is not "weakening us as a whole". It actually makes our group stronger when we get rid of those who give up our rights.

We can disagree on 1911 vs Glock, 9mm vs 45, no problem. But don't think for one second myself and many like me will support ANYONE who is for "compromise" with the gun grabbers. You are then my enemy.
This right here!
Nothing in the history of gun control has been a compromise.
Many fucks be upon anyone who is willing to sell our rights down the river!
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 1:37:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sardo_67:
the sad thing in the gun world is how fast people eat their own and go full retard like some crazy fat pink haired lezbo Bernie fan for oppressing her and its everyone else's fault her masters in gender studies is worthless.

then I get sucked into this group by others who then think I'm a gun nut and rabid 2A wacko of some kind. I wonder what the next 10yr will bring and if it will be time for me to dump all my guns and gun related things at sky high prices during the next panic and then move onto something better, no one makes me sigh and mumble "oh what the fuck" as much as "gun people".






no, it in fact does not. it shouldn't even be a "muh rights" kind of issue but unfortunately we have stooped that low.
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The day of the middle of the road politics is over. Polarized opposites is the new norm. The left has radicalized which no longer gives Constitutionalsits the ability to be civil and all encompassing. That era has passed.

You want to win? Get in the trenches and fight because it isn't pretty anymore.

That is what many in the GOP don't understand anymore and fail to realize. 
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To the first point, why? Pat should have been smart enough to know that the vast majority of the media isn't gun friendly, and shilling for them is a losing proposition.
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I agree this show is pure anti propaganda. Patmac should have know better then to talk to them. These days Comedy Central is nothing more then the ministry of propaganda for the DNC, why even give them the time of day.
Link Posted: 6/9/2017 1:48:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By polymorpheous:


Did you ever pay Paul Howe the money that you owed him?
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