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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:01:53 AM EDT

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AWD SUV that will run a 12 second 1/4 and do four wheel burn outs.

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Yeah, but it's a Dawge.

Posted: 5/26/2017 12:03:43 AM EDT

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AWD Crossover that will run a 12 second 1/4 and do four wheel burn outs.

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Posted: 5/26/2017 12:10:00 AM EDT

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True and it'll high center on a parking block, but still cool.

Posted: 5/26/2017 12:15:56 AM EDT

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True and it'll high center on a parking block, but still cool.

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If I was going to buy a dodge for a daily driver, I'd buy an srt charger. I found one that had been on the lot a year and a half, and offered them mid 20's cash. They wouldn't take it, and I wouldn't finance a dodge.

Posted: 5/26/2017 12:25:26 AM EDT

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Yeah. It's more truck than I need. Family is shrinking and I don't need the passenger or cargo room that it provides. But I might have to go there. because everything else is apparently turning into a FUCKING CROSSOVER. SHIT.

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Find a final year Xterra then.

Posted: 5/26/2017 1:39:43 AM EDT

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If that was true, the Ford F-Series wouldn't be the best selling vehicle on our roads.

The free market is why crossovers are thriving and BOF SUVs are mostly gone.

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Isn't the Ford the ones that went with an all aluminum body to save fuel, and the beds were found to be very easily damaged?

Posted: 5/26/2017 7:19:53 AM EDT

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AWD Crossover that will run a 12 second 1/4 and do four wheel burn outs.

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Nope, not a crossover. It's not based in a car platform like the Explorer, Pathfinder, etc.

The Durango, Grand Cherokee, and Mercedes ML/GL are built as a RWD SUV platform from the ground up. Nearly all other SUVs and crossovers are based on an existing car or truck platform. The Durango has a towing capacity of 7,500 lbs (more than the Tahoe or Expedition) while similarly sized crossovers are half that.

Posted: 5/26/2017 7:35:34 AM EDT

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Isn't the Ford the ones that went with an all aluminum body to save fuel, and the beds were found to be very easily damaged?

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GMs gotta be happy with their marketing dollars

Posted: 5/26/2017 7:44:31 AM EDT

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Nope, not a crossover. It's not based in a car platform like the Explorer, Pathfinder, etc.

The Durango, Grand Cherokee, and Mercedes ML/GL are built as a RWD SUV platform from the ground up. Nearly all other SUVs and crossovers are based on an existing car or truck platform. The Durango has a towing capacity of 7,500 lbs (more than the Tahoe or Expedition) while similarly sized crossovers are half that.

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Been unibody since the XJ

Posted: 5/26/2017 7:46:48 AM EDT

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Makes sense, but I don't really see how that's a bad thing unless you plan to offroad or haul tons of stuff.

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That is the OP's point: he is looking for a Sport Utility Vehicle, not a tall station wagon.

Posted: 5/26/2017 7:48:55 AM EDT

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Been unibody since the XJ

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Nope, not a crossover. It's not based in a car platform like the Explorer, Pathfinder, etc.

The Durango, Grand Cherokee, and Mercedes ML/GL are built as a RWD SUV platform from the ground up. Nearly all other SUVs and crossovers are based on an existing car or truck platform. The Durango has a towing capacity of 7,500 lbs (more than the Tahoe or Expedition) while similarly sized crossovers are half that.

Been unibody since the XJ

The xj wasn't the same platform as the GC. The current GC is a unibody, IFS/IRS, 4" of ground clearance, car. The base model doesn't even have low range, although some models do. It's a pathetic POS like every single jeep these days but the two door wrangler.

Posted: 5/26/2017 8:04:42 AM EDT

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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:05:40 AM EDT

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The xj wasn't the same platform as the GC. The current GC is a unibody, IFS/IRS, 4" of ground clearance, car. The base model doesn't even have low range, although some models do. It's a pathetic POS like every single jeep these days but the two door wrangler.

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Haven't seen anyone credible claim they are. Then again I've never seen anyone claim the current GC has 4in ground clearance . Regardless few people realize the XJ was unibody -

Posted: 5/26/2017 8:07:33 AM EDT

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I have a '14 Tacoma and an '07 TJ and a '78 CJ5. Probably going to trade the Tacoma on a 4Runner TRD Pro soon.

Is it just me getting older and more cynical or are we all fucked by the bliss ninny faggot marxists? I know this will sound defeatist but cars are being pussified by the day and at best we have 8 years and at worst we have 4 years before we have another socialist president who will attack the second amendment again. I know it's been coming for decades but it's getting me down now. What happened to men being men? I like guns and all of my vehicles have lots of trail pinstriping. My TJ hasn't worn a top or doors in years and smells like a swamp. I can afford a Beamer but I like vehicles with hair on their chests.

Posted: 5/26/2017 8:15:44 AM EDT

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The demise of body-on-frame vehicle construction saddens me.

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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:16:55 AM EDT

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IMO most of the SUVs have been ruined, the small one's have been turned into crossovers and the large one's have been turned into oversized minivans. I wish they would bring back the old fullsize Bronco & Blazer, the solid front axle Cherokee and the Excursion.

Posted: 5/26/2017 8:28:36 AM EDT

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So it's kind of an SUV and kind of a car.

It's transgendered?

Posted: 5/26/2017 8:35:50 AM EDT

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So it's kind of an SUV and kind of a car.

It's transgendered?

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I've called them cross dressers ever since the term 'crossover' was coined.

Posted: 5/26/2017 8:36:08 AM EDT

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I just bought this. It isn't a crossover, but it isn't a brodozer either.

They tried to talk us into an Edge.

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That my friend is a minivan.

Posted: 5/26/2017 8:37:23 AM EDT

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The Ford Bronco will be body-on-frame with real offroad chops, supposedly.

Posted: 5/26/2017 8:42:57 AM EDT

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Get a mid-size 4-door pickup with a bed topper and you've got right about the same thing, but with bedliner for tools, junk, and bulky shit.

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This is one of the only answers left.
Now, If they would sell one with a Solid Front Axle instead of that IFS Crap there would once again be balance in the force!

Posted: 5/26/2017 8:52:11 AM EDT

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I have a '14 Tacoma and an '07 TJ and a '78 CJ5. Probably going to trade the Tacoma on a 4Runner TRD Pro soon.

Is it just me getting older and more cynical or are we all fucked by the bliss ninny faggot marxists? I know this will sound defeatist but cars are being pussified by the day and at best we have 8 years and at worst we have 4 years before we have another socialist president who will attack the second amendment again. I know it's been coming for decades but it's getting me down now. What happened to men being men? I like guns and all of my vehicles have lots of trail pinstriping. My TJ hasn't worn a top or doors in years and smells like a swamp. I can afford a Beamer but I like vehicles with hair on their chests.

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TJs ended in 06.

Posted: 5/26/2017 8:52:48 AM EDT

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Yeah, but it's a Dawge.

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AWD SUV that will run a 12 second 1/4 and do four wheel burn outs.

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Yeah, but it's a Dawge.

And about how long it will run before it starts having problems.

Posted: 5/26/2017 8:52:49 AM EDT

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This is one of the only answers left.
Now, If they would sell one with a Solid Front Axle instead of that IFS Crap there would once again be balance in the force!

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Last solid front axle 1/2 ton was a 2002 Dodge Ram, Ford quit that stuff in 1980, GM in '88.

Wife drove a Tahoe for years, but honestly it was overkill. The Traverse she has now is more practical for our needs.

(Still have the Tahoe for beating on).

Posted: 5/26/2017 8:55:51 AM EDT

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This thread needs more ~~Patrol~~ Armada

Posted: 5/26/2017 8:56:08 AM EDT

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The xj wasn't the same platform as the GC. The current GC is a unibody, IFS/IRS, 4" of ground clearance, car. The base model doesn't even have low range, although some models do. It's a pathetic POS like every single jeep these days but the two door wrangler.

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Jeep Grand Cherokee WK2 Trailhawk

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Posted: 5/26/2017 8:57:27 AM EDT

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I saw a 2017 Yukon XL SLT today. It was purty... Looked just like this.

Posted: 5/26/2017 9:06:54 AM EDT

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TJs ended in 06.

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You're right. It's an '05 now that think about it. I had an '07 JK briefly. Hated it.

Posted: 5/26/2017 9:06:59 AM EDT

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Fancy names for Station Wagons or nobody would buy 'em.

Some titles even say it as such as I recall.

I like station wagons or whatever you may call them.

Posted: 5/26/2017 9:11:23 AM EDT

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Fucking ugly ass bug mobiles. I hate them.

Posted: 5/26/2017 9:13:02 AM EDT

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Fancy names for Station Wagons or nobody would buy 'em.

Some titles even say it as such as I recall.

I like station wagons or whatever you may call them.

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I grew up playing games with my brother on road trips in the back of a station wagon.

Posted: 5/26/2017 9:13:17 AM EDT

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Fancy names for Station Wagons or nobody would buy 'em.

Some titles even say it as such as I recall.

I like station wagons or whatever you may call them.

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To be fair many states title landcruisers, suburban, etc as station wagons.

Posted: 5/26/2017 9:20:49 AM EDT

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2016 4Runner here... G/F has a 2013 Grand Cherokee...

Just say NO to a crossover...

Posted: 5/26/2017 9:25:07 AM EDT

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Soccer Moms drive the most auto sales. Soccer Moms love crossover turds. So the market gets flooded with wrong wheel drive crossover turds.

Add on EPA/CAFE bullshit, and here we are.

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Yup.

They want almost none of the capability and all of the looks of an SUV.
And mommy government does not help.

The part that really bums me out about it is that there won't be base vehicles floating around in the secondary market for offroad builds in the future.

Posted: 5/26/2017 9:26:51 AM EDT

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Yup.

They want almost none of the capability and all of the looks of an SUV.
And mommy government does not help.

The part that really bums me out about it is that there won't be base vehicles floating around in the secondary market for offroad builds in the future.

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Soccer Moms drive the most auto sales. Soccer Moms love crossover turds. So the market gets flooded with wrong wheel drive crossover turds.

Add on EPA/CAFE bullshit, and here we are.

Yup.

They want almost none of the capability and all of the looks of an SUV.
And mommy government does not help.

The part that really bums me out about it is that there won't be base vehicles floating around in the secondary market for offroad builds in the future.

Absolutely. The best thing about all the stupid fucking soccer moms driving JKUs is the market will be flooded with them in a few years.

Posted: 5/26/2017 10:54:37 AM EDT

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Isn't the Ford the ones that went with an all aluminum body to save fuel, and the beds were found to be very easily damaged?

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Fake news!

Posted: 5/26/2017 11:06:28 AM EDT

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I have a 2012 Pathfinder, the last year it was built on a truck frame. I'm scared to death someone will hit me and total the thing because the 4 Runner is the only comparable vehicle left, and they are no longer in my price range.

Posted: 5/26/2017 11:09:44 AM EDT

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this is the answer you seek:

Posted: 5/26/2017 11:16:01 AM EDT

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Buy a midsized crew cab truck. Get a bedrug and nice campershell painted to match.

You're welcome.

Posted: 5/26/2017 11:16:42 AM EDT

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And about how long it will run before it starts having problems.

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That's the up side of owning a dodge, they keep you on your toes.

Posted: 5/26/2017 11:17:09 AM EDT

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Yeah. It's more truck than I need. Family is shrinking and I don't need the passenger or cargo room that it provides. But I might have to go there. because everything else is apparently turning into a FUCKING CROSSOVER. SHIT.

Find a final year Xterra then.

This is your answer. The Xterra was also the only option in the segment where you could get the top off-road package brand new out the door for ~30k.

Posted: 5/26/2017 11:18:43 AM EDT

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They're just reacting to the market.

Posted: 5/26/2017 11:20:59 AM EDT

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I have a 2012 Pathfinder, the last year it was built on a truck frame. I'm scared to death someone will hit me and total the thing because the 4 Runner is the only comparable vehicle left, and they are no longer in my price range.

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The good news is that the 4Runner is selling well these days so used units will be available and reasonably priced for years to come.

Posted: 5/26/2017 11:23:32 AM EDT

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And to gov't regulation. For every low MPG SUV they sell they have to sell multiple commuter cars to offset it. So...they just stop selling low MPG SUVs.

Posted: 5/26/2017 11:30:05 AM EDT

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FUCK THE CROSSOVER! FUCK IT! FUCK IT TO HELL!

They did it to my beloved Pathfinder. I have a 2006 and it's awesome. I love this truck. It's getting a bit old, though, so I was thinking maybe I should update. No major problems, still runs strong, enough room for everything I need. But the new Pathfinder is now a FUCKING CROSSOVER! Fuck you, Datsun. WHY DID YOU FUCK THIS UP?

As my kids grew up and moved up, I abandoned the Suburban platform. Hell, they started putting plastic bumpers on them anyway. Might as well go with a plastic-clad mid-size.

So I sold my wife's Caddy sedan and bought her an Xterra, and traded in the 'burb for a Pathfinder. And there were many happy years. Then the Xterra had that radiator problem that they're now known for, and we had to move her forward. Not many options now. She's in a RAV4. Well built, runs great but it's a ...

a GOD DAMNED CROSSOVER!

So I was thinking that I might get me a Toyota Highlander. I went to look at them today. They turned them into MOTHERFUCKING CROSSOVERS.

PLEASE STOP THIS CROSSOVER SHIT! HOLY FUCKING SHIT! IT'S WORSE THAN THAT MINIVAN SHIT THEY STARTED! STOP FUCKING KILLING THE MID-SIZE SUV!

Apparently, my Datsun will have to go much further. I hope it lasts long enough to outlive this FUCKING CROSSOVER phase or fad or whatever it is. The mid-size SUV will come back, right?

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I hate to make your unhappiness worse, but minivan/SUV/crossover = station wagon. It's just marketing ploys to sell more station wagons.

Posted: 5/26/2017 12:00:36 PM EDT

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Wet and Mean 4Runner is not happy with wussy crossovers.

Posted: 5/26/2017 12:03:17 PM EDT

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Wrangler, 4Runner, final-year-new-old-stock Xterra are your only options. Of those, the 4Runner is the best of the bunch taking it as a package: size, driver comfort, reliability, capability. It's also smaller than your Pathfinder, so...not sure why it's too much for you even when looking to downsize.

To those who say they're too tall for a 4Runner: bullshit. I'm 6'5 with a long torso. I fit in my 4Runner with a very upright seat with ample headroom. I even fit in other 4Runners with sunroofs (mine doesn't have one; takes away a few inches of head clearance).

You're either lying or doing it wrong. Lower your seat and trim your man buns, doofuses.