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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:51:43 AM EDT
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Really? Someone says "none if your business" and you can't make a pretty good guess? Just say no if it bothers you. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:53:29 AM EDT
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"Do you maintain or store firearms in your household?"
"Does your wife like anal, doc?" "Why that is preposterous! What does that have to do with anything?!" "Well, I figured as long as we were talking about things that have nothing to do with my healthcare, I might as well ask." |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:53:55 AM EDT
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My 14 year old son was asked. I quickly said no and he gave me this weird look.
Turned my head slightly to indicate no to him. Explained to him later that its none of their business and its just easier to lie. I would love to tell them to fuck off. Will never answer yes. Plus most Docs have no clue about firearms storage or handling. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:55:08 AM EDT
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Its hard for me to say. However, if I was unarmed, I dont think I would want to go around advertising that. Not sure I would feel too unsafe at a doctors office, but again, hard for me to say. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Really? Someone says "none if your business" and you can't make a pretty good guess? Just say no if it bothers you. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:56:13 AM EDT
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My wife is a family practice doc. She doesnt ask anything about firearms during appointments and is not encouraged to do so by her practice or owning hospital. A 15 min appointment doesnt leave much time to discuss anything that isnt pertinent to why the patient is there to begin with. I see doctors and specialists 6-7 times a year. Never been asked shit about firearms. Then again my PCP specializes in cops/firefighters/first responders so the majority of patients (and the providers) are likely carrying.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:56:38 AM EDT
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I helped my primary care doctor build his AR and go shooting with him. He hunts also. I have his cell phone number and we are going to take his 10 year old son shooting.
Doc only ask me how much Viagra I take at once.  oh by the way there is a generic versions of Viagra now. Just got it yesterday 2 bucks a pill 
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:58:43 AM EDT
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My wife (an ER doc) wrote this small article about Doctors asking questions about gun ownership and wanted to get feed back. What do you guys think? Docs versus Glocks Movement? Gun-safety counseling is seen by some as a legal obligation on the part of most primary care physicians, however, most gun owners do not feel that this is an appropriate routine medical question. In 2011 the state of Florida passed the Florida Firearm Owners’ Privacy Act, which prohibited physicians from asking patients about whether they owned a gun, under routine circumstances. If the question became clinically relevant, such as in a suicidal or homicidal patient, then it was acceptable. Many physicians argue that they bring up the subject of firearms during a routine visit for the sake of discussing safe storage and other ownership practices. However, others see the gun control movement as the motivating reason for the questioning. The Florida law states "a healthcare practitioner “...shall respect a patient's right to privacy and should refrain from making a written inquiry or asking questions concerning the ownership of a firearm” Earlier this year the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals overturned some of the provisions of the Florida’s Firearm Owners’ Privacy Act, and it is now no longer illegal for the health care provider to ask and educate patients and further document about firearm discussions. Do most patients find this acceptable? Are these measures beyond the scope of medical practice? The answer depends on who you ask of course. While the right to have the firearm discussion is protected by the first amendment, we must learn a way to do it that is not judgmental and in a way that respects others point of view. It is also important to keep in mind that physicians are not trying to confiscate the patient’s firearms and not every physician is against owning a firearm. As a matter of fact there are a few of us that while we believe in prevention of gun related injuries still love our weapons. l o fucking l Yes, I go to my doc who spent 87 months in school for medical stuff advice on my shooting/guns.... |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:59:47 AM EDT
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Family of four here and no one has ever asked about guns.
Asked our pediatrician about it once and he explained that he was an immigrant from Israel (Joseph ... should have known) and that the US was the greatest nation on earth and part of the reason was our belief in the right to protect ourselves. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:00:36 AM EDT
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I've been asked by 2 separate pediatricians during routine checkups with my kids. I had no problem telling them that I do own firearms and keep them secured. Shockingly, I didn't get any visits from government agents or black helicopters. "Little ones underfoot now, they will be into everything all the time. Do some research and make sure firearms are safely stored and put of reach." Pretty sure similar discussion with new Moms and Dads about cleaning supplies, electric outlets, stairways, booster seats, etc. Only other time I see it being relevant is when debilitating injuries and recovery occur. Dad had a ruptured intracranial aneurysm 1.5 years back. All guns had to be accounted for during the months and months of recovery (brain pressures in odd places => unknown behaviors). |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:00:47 AM EDT
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You might feel unsafe by telling your Dr that you may be unarmed? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Really? Someone says "none if your business" and you can't make a pretty good guess? Just say no if it bothers you. Are you intentionally being obtuse? |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:01:28 AM EDT
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So an NRA Instructor who is also a Doctor is not qualified because of his Dr status? NRA certrified, dawg..  CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT/FIREARM SAFETY INSTRUCTOR LISA PHILLIPS SOUTH CAROLINA |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:01:38 AM EDT
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So an NRA Instructor who is also a Doctor is not qualified because of his Dr status? |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:06:20 AM EDT
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"Irrelevant to my medical care, Doc. Next question." "WHAT, me? yuck, no way jose" - guy who carries a glock 26 24/7
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:08:15 AM EDT
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"No"
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:10:57 AM EDT
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Really? Someone says "none if your business" and you can't make a pretty good guess? Just say no if it bothers you. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:11:53 AM EDT
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I always answer them with a question like "Why are you asking me that? How is that information going to help you decide my treatment plan? Do I have to answer that?" When they tell me that it's just a routine question, I tell them that I am not there with a gunshot wound so I don't see the relevance. If they persist, and they always do, I tell them "NO".
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:12:30 AM EDT
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+1 on the swimming pool.
Binge drinking in teens & young adults is more of an issue than guns & texting while driving is 100s of times worse. And these get asked? It's an agenda & trying to use pseudoscience to justify anti gun messages. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:13:46 AM EDT
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Our local hospital is a teaching type hospital and has medical students from all over the PNW periodically working, and observing a GP.
I went in for a flu like symptom while on duty and in uniform last year. There was a male medical student with my primary Doctor who was asking questions about the illness and out of the blue comes that question: Do you have and or store firearms in your home? (Okay, I am in uniform, and armed with a couple of weapons) I looked at the medical student and asked him, what did he think? My doctor, bless her heart, winked at me, and told the student, "We don't ask those questions of anyone here". Besides that, what did the little liberal twit think I was, a zookeeper? Oh wait, I was a zookeeper, a zookeeper of people! |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:13:54 AM EDT
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The only time guns come up in our office is when my patients want to compare CCW pieces.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:14:20 AM EDT
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These "safety" questions were foisted upon doctors by administrators and due to political influences.
You have probably three different doctor types with this. Those who think it is an invasion of privacy and won't ask it. Those who are just droning through the questionnaire. And the crusaders who want to save everybody from themselves. My wife (a pediatrician) falls into the fist category (of course  ). She said she goes through the whole safety interview not asking the questions- more affirming what is safe. "Keep your cleaners locked up and way from toddlers." "If you have a swimming pool make sure there's a closed gate." "If you have guns make sure they are out of reach of children."
We are in the South. I'm sure parents in liberal land have to deal with the intrusions of nanny-docs. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:17:05 AM EDT
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I recently applied for life insurance and I was shocked that the question of guns in the house didnt come up. seems like it would have.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:21:18 AM EDT
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I don't know, but I'll show the article to my cardiologist next time we're out hunting hogs on his ranch.
He always has an opinion about such things. 
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:21:23 AM EDT
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I think he's more worried about letting the doctor know how he feels about it than the doctor knowing he actually has guns. "Do you have cleaners under your sink?" "Yes, doctor." "Well, keep them away from children and pets." "OK" "Do you have a swimming pool?" "No" "Do you own any firearms?" "No" "Do you have any hazardous chemicals..." OR... "Do you have cleaners under your sink?" "Yes, doctor." "Well, keep them away from children and pets." "OK" "Do you have a swimming pool?" "No" "Do you own any firearms?" "OMGWTF how DARE you ask me that! Does you wife like anal? Do you suck donkey balls? I'm outraged! I have rights! You're invading my privacy!" Yeah, one response is definitely better than the other. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:21:26 AM EDT
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Doctors are not police detectives. They aren't investigating crimes. They just have to ask manditory questions that some regulatory board is forcing them to answer out of fear of getting in some sort of licensing conflict. many, many doctors are extremely over burdened with this kind of crap forced upon them by some know nothing political hacks trying to control everything. To those on here claiming its "free speach", Doctors are affiliated with the Government in the form of licensing so for all intents and purposes they are government employees.... .... Thus infringing your 2A by making any action based on that question. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:24:17 AM EDT
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Fuck it...
I always ask the doc to clarify. "Just my guns? My kids guns? All of them? which guns do you mean?" |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:24:22 AM EDT
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I hate it because it is singled out
Does the same Doctor ask me questions about Slips, trips and Falls? Car and driving safety? Poisonous substances? Walking on trails alone at midnight Sex with strangers or even thought they sometimes talk about the lower they don't always do. (per Wikipedia) Leading causes of preventable death worldwide as of the year 2001, according to researchers working with the Disease Control Priorities Network (DCPN)[3] and the World Health Organization (WHO).[4] (The WHO's 2008 statistics show very similar trends.) Cause Number of deaths resulting (millions per year) Hypertension 7.8 Smoking tobacco 5.4 Malnutrition 3.8 Sexually transmitted diseases 3.0 Poor diet 2.8 Overweight and obesity 2.5 Physical inactivity 2.0 Alcohol 1.9 Indoor air pollution from solid fuels 1.8 Unsafe water and poor sanitation 1.6 |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:25:10 AM EDT
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I had a midlevel ask way back in the 90s, told him yes and and found out very quickly he was rabidly anti-gun, apparently someone in his family committed suicide with a gun. After a few minutes of conversation I told him we were done and never saw him again at the practice, not sure if related or not I refused to ever schedule an appt with him, Dr. who owned the practice never asked.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:37:02 AM EDT
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Let me check, cause I dont think thats what I said..... Nope, it isnt. I said "I dont think I would want to go around advertising that". Are you intentionally being obtuse? |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:38:33 AM EDT
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I think he's more worried about letting the doctor know how he feels about it than the doctor knowing he actually has guns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Really? Someone says "none if your business" and you can't make a pretty good guess? Just say no if it bothers you. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:40:32 AM EDT
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I always answer them with a question like "Why are you asking me that? How is that information going to help you decide my treatment plan? Do I have to answer that?" When they tell me that it's just a routine question, I tell them that I am not there with a gunshot wound so I don't see the relevance. If they persist, and they always do, I tell them "NO". |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:42:37 AM EDT
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+1 on the swimming pool. Binge drinking in teens & young adults is more of an issue than guns & texting while driving is 100s of times worse. And these get asked? It's an agenda & trying to use pseudoscience to justify anti gun messages. All the issues are brought up as well when relevant. I may ask someone if they have a swimming pool. If they say no do I need to teach the proper way to secure a pool? |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:43:43 AM EDT
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So an NRA Instructor who is also a Doctor is not qualified because of his Dr status? An NRA instructor can be just as bad at his job as anyone else. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:45:59 AM EDT
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My wife (an ER doc) wrote this small article about Doctors asking questions about gun ownership and wanted to get feed back. What do you guys think? Docs versus Glocks Movement? Gun-safety counseling is seen by some as a legal obligation on the part of most primary care physicians, however, most gun owners do not feel that this is an appropriate routine medical question. In 2011 the state of Florida passed the Florida Firearm Owners’ Privacy Act, which prohibited physicians from asking patients about whether they owned a gun, under routine circumstances. If the question became clinically relevant, such as in a suicidal or homicidal patient, then it was acceptable. Many physicians argue that they bring up the subject of firearms during a routine visit for the sake of discussing safe storage and other ownership practices. However, others see the gun control movement as the motivating reason for the questioning. The Florida law states "a healthcare practitioner “...shall respect a patient's right to privacy and should refrain from making a written inquiry or asking questions concerning the ownership of a firearm” Earlier this year the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals overturned some of the provisions of the Florida’s Firearm Owners’ Privacy Act, and it is now no longer illegal for the health care provider to ask and educate patients and further document about firearm discussions. Do most patients find this acceptable? Are these measures beyond the scope of medical practice? The answer depends on who you ask of course. While the right to have the firearm discussion is protected by the first amendment, we must learn a way to do it that is not judgmental and in a way that respects others point of view. It is also important to keep in mind that physicians are not trying to confiscate the patient’s firearms and not every physician is against owning a firearm. As a matter of fact there are a few of us that while we believe in prevention of gun related injuries still love our weapons. Here's how I would deal with this: Doc: Do you own any firearms or keep firearms in your home? JamesP81: No. I would then be finding a new doc. It is an inappropriate question. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:46:16 AM EDT
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I always answer them with a question like "Why are you asking me that? How is that information going to help you decide my treatment plan? Do I have to answer that?" When they tell me that it's just a routine question, I tell them that I am not there with a gunshot wound so I don't see the relevance. If they persist, and they always do, I tell them "NO". |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:47:37 AM EDT
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Two (used to be three, but one retired because of Obamacare) of my doctors are firearm owners and one of those is a member of my gun club.
I've never been asked (deep red state so they probably know better), but if I were to be, I would tell the person asking that it was none of their damn business. If they insisted, I would walk out the door and find another doctor. The issue is not gun ownership. It's the doctor and/or his/her employer probing into things that don't concern them. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:48:38 AM EDT
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Here's how I would deal with this: Doc: Do you own any firearms or keep firearms in your home? JamesP81: No. I would then be finding a new doc. It is an inappropriate question. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My wife (an ER doc) wrote this small article about Doctors asking questions about gun ownership and wanted to get feed back. What do you guys think? Docs versus Glocks Movement? Gun-safety counseling is seen by some as a legal obligation on the part of most primary care physicians, however, most gun owners do not feel that this is an appropriate routine medical question. In 2011 the state of Florida passed the Florida Firearm Owners’ Privacy Act, which prohibited physicians from asking patients about whether they owned a gun, under routine circumstances. If the question became clinically relevant, such as in a suicidal or homicidal patient, then it was acceptable. Many physicians argue that they bring up the subject of firearms during a routine visit for the sake of discussing safe storage and other ownership practices. However, others see the gun control movement as the motivating reason for the questioning. The Florida law states "a healthcare practitioner “...shall respect a patient's right to privacy and should refrain from making a written inquiry or asking questions concerning the ownership of a firearm” Earlier this year the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals overturned some of the provisions of the Florida’s Firearm Owners’ Privacy Act, and it is now no longer illegal for the health care provider to ask and educate patients and further document about firearm discussions. Do most patients find this acceptable? Are these measures beyond the scope of medical practice? The answer depends on who you ask of course. While the right to have the firearm discussion is protected by the first amendment, we must learn a way to do it that is not judgmental and in a way that respects others point of view. It is also important to keep in mind that physicians are not trying to confiscate the patient’s firearms and not every physician is against owning a firearm. As a matter of fact there are a few of us that while we believe in prevention of gun related injuries still love our weapons. Here's how I would deal with this: Doc: Do you own any firearms or keep firearms in your home? JamesP81: No. I would then be finding a new doc. It is an inappropriate question. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:52:12 AM EDT
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"Irrelevant to my medical care, Doc. Next question." |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:56:53 AM EDT
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Bingo. To those on here claiming its "free speach", Doctors are affiliated with the Government in the form of licensing so for all intents and purposes they are government employees.... .... Thus infringing your 2A by making any action based on that question.
That's a streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch. My DL and ccw are state issued. And unlike a Dr. I had to take a STATE exam to get them. It sounds you are just talking to hear yourself |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:57:17 AM EDT
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I'm here for help from you Doc. , and the medical expertise i've been subject to from the dr's i've seen concerns me alot more than anything I may or may not do at home.
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:57:53 AM EDT
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Such a simple solution, but some people have to make it more complicated than it needs to be. In any case, if it does come up, I'll simply say no and move on. Inappropriate questions that should not be asked shouldn't be answered in such a way that they get their answer anyway. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 11:03:56 AM EDT
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I recently applied for life insurance and I was shocked that the question of guns in the house didnt come up. seems like it would have. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 11:06:32 AM EDT
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I've never gotten the gun questions at my Dr.'s office but I had something just about as maddening happen to me on my last visit.
I went to the Dr.'s office to see if I had an abdominal hernia. After I get into the room and as the nurse is taking my blood pressure she randomly and nonchalantly asked if I felt depressed. I simply answered no. When the bill came in the mail it had an itemized charge of $100 for "Depression Screening." Also, my Doc said he couldn't tell if I had a hernia or a hematoma so he referred me to a surgeon. People wonder why so many people like myself loath going to see their Dr. These types of BS is why. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 11:12:31 AM EDT
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Some of my doctors ask a series of questions that include 'have you fallen lately', 'are thinking about harming yourself or others', and 'are you likely to engage in any risky behavior'?
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Posted: 5/25/2017 11:14:46 AM EDT
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Doctors arent qualified to discuss firearms safety and or storage methods 
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Posted: 5/25/2017 11:16:55 AM EDT
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WTF
That's a streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch. My DL and ccw are state issued. And unlike a Dr. I had to take a STATE exam to get them. It sounds you are just talking to hear yourself That would be unconstitutional Neither your CCW or drivers license are telling you to gather info for the state... |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 11:17:00 AM EDT
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Doctors arent qualified to discuss firearms safety and or storage methods |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 11:18:14 AM EDT
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"Do you maintain or store firearms in your household?" "Does your wife like anal, doc?" "Why that is preposterous! What does that have to do with anything?!" "Well, I figured as long as we were talking about things that have nothing to do with my healthcare, I might as well ask." 
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Posted: 5/25/2017 11:18:43 AM EDT
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Some of my doctors ask a series of questions that include 'have you fallen lately', 'are thinking about harming yourself or others', and 'are you likely to engage in any risky behavior'? 
I know they are probably screening for domestic abuse victims. I was sorely tempted to say, "My wife quit giving me blow jobs 11 years ago.  Can the doc write me a prescription for that?"
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Posted: 5/25/2017 11:31:10 AM EDT
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Question came up on a questioner one time. I just checked the no box.
My doc knows I have at least one pistol. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 11:31:22 AM EDT
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... And if your drivers license had a requirement that you determine other people's firearms status.... That would be unconstitutional Neither your CCW or drivers license are telling you to gather info for the state... As a requirement for licensure, some states require Dr's to stop at any MVA and render assistance. Is that unconditional? It's not the state mandating it. The Dr. Is associated with the "American board of pediatrics" or some such organization and they give the docs questionnaires. In return for the data, the ABP works with insurance companies to make the questionnaire billable. |
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