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Posted: 5/24/2017 5:14:19 PM EDT
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no. Simple hyperinsulinemia. Base insulin levels often higher than the spike in normal people. I've seen my numbers in the lab. While hyperinsulinemia is often seen in people with early stage type 2 diabetes mellitus, it is not the cause of the condition and is only one symptom of the disease |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 5:19:14 PM EDT
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From wiki: 
Oh, you're serious?
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Posted: 5/24/2017 5:24:03 PM EDT
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I am not God either, but I certainly know that humans weren't making bread and eating cereal and fucking candy bars or loading up on pasta 5k years ago and I imagine that they were a hell of a lot healthier than someone who does. And don't give me the nonsense about us living longer now. The only reason we live longer now is our medical advances. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I am not God either, but I certainly know that humans weren't making bread and eating cereal and fucking candy bars or loading up on pasta 5k years ago and I imagine that they were a hell of a lot healthier than someone who does. And don't give me the nonsense about us living longer now. The only reason we live longer now is our medical advances. Nobody has mentioned the very northern people who live almost entirely on meat and animal fat. Or the people that live at high altitudes on yak butter, meat and milk. Some of them are long lived indeed. Also nobody is mentioning beriberi or rickets, common conditions due to vitamin deficiencies. Beriberi prevalent in Asian societies from - white rice. Here's your "healthy Asian diet" "In the late 19th century, beriberi was studied by Takaki Kanehiro, a British-trained Japanese medical doctor of the Japanese Navy.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriberi#cite_note-Kanehiro-26][26][/url]Beriberi was a serious problem in the Japanese navy: sailors fell ill an average of four times a year in the period 1878 to 1881, and 35% were cases of beriberi.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriberi#cite_note-Kanehiro-26][26][/url] In 1883, Kanehiro learned of a very high incidence of beriberi among cadets on a training mission from Japan to Hawaii, via New Zealand and South America. The voyage lasted more than 9 months and resulted in 169 cases of sickness and 25 deaths on a ship of 376 men. With the support of the Japanese Navy, he conducted an experiment in which another ship was deployed on the same route, except that its crew was fed a diet of meat, fish, barley, rice, and beans. At the end of the voyage, this crew had only 14 cases of beriberi and no deaths. This convinced Kanehiro and the Japanese Navy that diet was the cause.[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriberi#cite_note-Kanehiro-26][26][/url] In 1884, Kanehiro observed that beriberi was endemic among low-ranking crew who were often provided free rice and thus ate little else, but not among crews of Western navies and nor among Japanese officers who consumed a more varied diet." |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 5:28:11 PM EDT
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Oh, you're serious?
link The pathway I listed above seems correct. NEFAs lead to insulin resistance which would lead to hyperinsulinemia. You should probably need to know this if you have type 2. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 5:28:36 PM EDT
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The Greeks mention baked bread products as far back as A.D.170. Actually we don't live much (if any) longer now than we did a thousand years ago. The difference in "life expectancy" between now and then is primarily due to infant and child mortality rates dropping significantly, there's also the dirty little secret of high infanticide rates (post-birth abortion so to speak) that our ancestors practiced pretty regularly. If we factored in current abortion rates to modern life expectancy numbers we'd be right back to averaging what we were a thousand years ago. Once humans made it to 10 years old or so we've always had a good run of it up into our 80's to 100 or so. Another factor in lowered life expectancy was death from war. Apparently war was a brutal bloodbath with mindboggling casualties - all before the invention of the gun. But who needs history, amirite? |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 5:32:32 PM EDT
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Christ dude, eat a fucking vegetable. 
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Posted: 5/24/2017 5:43:55 PM EDT
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It's not preferred. It's easier. Those are not synonyms. The easy way isn't always the best way. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 5:49:56 PM EDT
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From wiki: While hyperinsulinemia is often seen in people with early stage type 2 diabetes mellitus, it is not the cause of the condition and is only one symptom of the disease  Attached FileCarbs were the base of this pyramid, sending the message to eat all you want. And Americans did, gobbling up refined grains and processed snacks like SnackWell cookies — that staple of the low-fat craze — in their quest to avoid the dreaded dietary fat.We know now that "carbohydrates worsen glucose and insulin — they have negative effects on blood cholesterol levels," as Dariush Mozaffarian, dean of the Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy at Tufts University, told us back in 2014. In other words, he told us, replacing saturated fats with refined carbs "has not been useful advice." |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 5:49:57 PM EDT
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Been doing the Keto diet for just under 5 months. Down 80 pounds went from 46inch pants to 36 and 3xl shirt to a large. The diet works if you stick to it and don't cheat at all. First couple weeks were rough for me. I kept my carbs under 20 a day for the first couple months and my body got used to it. and fucking congrats man...that's awesome! |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 5:56:53 PM EDT
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Tagging for info. This is on the radar in the next few weeks now that my calories are under control
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Posted: 5/24/2017 5:57:54 PM EDT
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So I've been on low carbs since Sunday. Yesterday afternoon, I started having real bad body chills that was almost flu like. I came home from work and I just went straight to bed. Also feeling nauseous, and I'm squirting like a goose too. Please tell me this will pass. No more body chills, but I'm sweating like a hog now though. I'm on week 8 of low carb. I never got the carb flu, but I did get some pretty bad diareah in the beginning. It did go away. There are pros and cons of the diet... Pros: Not hungry No bloating A lot of energy Can go pretty much the whole day without eating, I have to remind myself to eat. Down 35 pounds in 8 weeks. Cons: It's incredibly boring. I no longer enjoy eating. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:03:33 PM EDT
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I ordered this electrolyte: www.amazon.com/dp/B000OP252CFeeling better today. Have a throbbing headache and body chills are gone--I'm just sweating like a hog now. Guys at work want me to go to Hibachi Express with them. Instead of rice, I can get extra veggies with my steak teriyaki. 
Only had water and one coffee so far today too. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:08:31 PM EDT
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Your body uses carbs. Maybe try limiting calories while providing your body with the stuff it uses and you won't feel like ass.
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:08:53 PM EDT
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No no no, vegetables make you fat |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:12:16 PM EDT
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How low carb are you going? Around 50 a day, or less than 20 a day? Every time I've ever went below 20 a day I get constipated. Starting a Metformin prescription at the same time cures constipation like you wouldn't believe. LOL |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:12:24 PM EDT
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Your body uses carbs. Maybe try limiting calories while providing your body with the stuff it uses and you won't feel like ass. If you zilch out carbs entirely there are negative effects. Retaining around 30 grams isn't detrimental. Everybody goes through the flu symptoms when they decrease carb intake. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:14:12 PM EDT
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Thanks for shutting that guy up with that bitch slap. This is the problem with Keto, it's like a cult, or like crossfit. It's morphed into a social identity where people think they've taken the red pill and know better than everyone else (which of course appeals in particular to egotistical people), and have to virtue signal loudly all the time. The truth is a lot more gray than they would believe, but they are so intent on starting with their conclusion and trying to fit the evidence to it (the opposite of scholarly activity), they dismiss anything and everything else. It's pathetic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dr Norton is one of the leading sports nutritionists in the world and arguably THE leading protein synthesis expert. He's used his research to build himself into a world record power lifter and pro bodybuilder. And it's not an opinion piece. It's never an opinion piece when a Doctor publishes a piece in his field, not to mention all the sources cited. Keto diets were created for people with epilepsy. People jumped on board and it became a fad diet. There's no reason to do it unless you are a natural with very very low body fat and you are trying to get as lean as possible. Sub 10%. It's not viable. It's counter culture. It's like those vegan retards that eat nothing but carbs except not as bad because af least protein and fat are essential. If you truly try it, for several months, and it doesn't work for you, then it's your loss. We won't call you a tard. But ketosis is a natural state for humans, at least those with some vestiges of a normal metabolic system. The only tards are those calling others tards, after storming into these threads and calling BS on thousands of studies and millions of individuals for whom it works. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:14:20 PM EDT
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Have any of the carb loaders in here posted their A1C levels? I'm waiting patiently. Could be maybe they have fallen into a diabetic coma?
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:16:56 PM EDT
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It's an energy source. As is fat. Starve off your body from the short term energy sources and it begins to use the long term energy stores If you zilch out carbs entirely there are negative effects. Retaining around 30 grams isn't detrimental. Everybody goes through the flu symptoms when they decrease carb intake. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:18:28 PM EDT
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It is a way of eliminating/controlling addictive behavior. Same as AA with alcoholics can't drink one drop or Dave Ramsey with Credit Card debt. The remarkable thing is how easily people fell for the "we need carbs" meme, and continue to do so. The Food Pyramid ruined more lives than a world war. Fuck the politicians who pushed it, with Big Agra, and the medical professionals who never looked beyond the government's scientifically unsupported position. OP, stick with it. And remember: it's not JUST a low carb diet. It's low carb HIGH FAT. That's what makes it easy, fun and healthy. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:25:47 PM EDT
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I dont understand the mindset of avoiding as many carbs as you can as "hating eating now" or eating as "boring".
So you cant eat as much bread or pasta as you used to, big deal. Some of the best tasting food isnt carb related at all. Bread and pasta is boring to me now. I still eat it from time to time but its just a smaller piece of the overall picture of my daily eating. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:29:08 PM EDT
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Eggs, cheese, pork rind, bacon, sausage, coffee, Powerade Zero, and one Coke Zero/day. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:35:17 PM EDT
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No vegetables? No Nuts? That sounds like a shitty diet. Carrots and tomatoes add up fast on the carb side. This is okay once you're adapted. But it's hard to eat too much leafy dark greens. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:38:41 PM EDT
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This is true. but it is other things-- it is the way most humans lived their entire lives, aside from maybe a few weeks a year, for nearly all of human history on earth. The remarkable thing is how easily people fell for the "we need carbs" meme, and continue to do so. The Food Pyramid ruined more lives than a world war. Fuck the politicians who pushed it, with Big Agra, and the medical professionals who never looked beyond the government's scientifically unsupported position. OP, stick with it. And remember: it's not JUST a low carb diet. It's low carb HIGH FAT. That's what makes it easy, fun and healthy. And humans ate meat from animals that grazed on grass so the fatty acid makeup of that meat was a little different. In other regions they ate whale and seal blubber. Whales eat krill. Keto food doesn't have to be boring. A salad with some grated cheese with stuff like marinated artichoke hearts slathered in avacodo oil is filling and delicious. The cauliflower crust pizza seems to get good reviews as well. There are websites and cookbooks. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:42:43 PM EDT
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Read Gary Taubes' Why We Get Fat And What To Do About It. We metabolize carbs differently than fats. High cholesterol and triglycerides come from carbs, not from fat. I've seen my numbers drop through the floor when I go low carb. My problem is that it's hard for me to stick with it long term. As the saying goes, "eat liberally of meat, fish, fowl and fat", and have lots of leafy green vegetables. My sister calls it the Nothing White diet: lay off the flour, sugar, rice, pasta, potatoes, etc. It works. And no, calories in do not necessarily equal calories out.
OP needs to vary his diet, and lay off the Gatorade and diet soda. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:51:20 PM EDT
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I dont understand the mindset of avoiding as many carbs as you can as "hating eating now" or eating as "boring". So you cant eat as much bread or pasta as you used to, big deal. Some of the best tasting food isnt carb related at all. Bread and pasta is boring to me now. I still eat it from time to time but its just a smaller piece of the overall picture of my daily eating. Things like bread and pasta aren't even interesting to me anymore. I take the bread off sandwiches. All the breads and pastas are the same to me; big doughy wads with no real flavor, texture, or nutrition. I like a little ice cream now an then and maybe treats like potato chips and stuff. But the whole "staple" thing of starches has just gone away as a concept. Paleo food is so full of flavor and texture and nutrients that after a few years it's all you want. The body remembers. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:51:27 PM EDT
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Have any of the carb loaders in here posted their A1C levels? I'm waiting patiently. Could be maybe they have fallen into a diabetic coma? I cut carbs and sugar out and started walking daily. In 2016 I dropped 116 lbs, and in 14 months took my A1c from 9.5 to 4.5. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:55:24 PM EDT
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Two best parts- low energy and no pooping
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Posted: 5/24/2017 7:10:53 PM EDT
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As long as it's "healthy fat" which is not what we've been told for 100 or so years. And humans ate meat from animals that grazed on grass so the fatty acid makeup of that meat was a little different. In other regions they ate whale and seal blubber. Whales eat krill. Keto food doesn't have to be boring. A salad with some grated cheese with stuff like marinated artichoke hearts slathered in avacodo oil is filling and delicious. The cauliflower crust pizza seems to get good reviews as well. There are websites and cookbooks. Apparently I was wrong, they're not too bad net. This changes things, I can eat my favorite meal, artichokes, crab, and butter. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 7:14:07 PM EDT
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If it has not yet been posted, get some broth made from bones, add salt, simmer it after browning said bones (simmer quite a long time IMO). Add pepper if you want, goal is to make a broth that is salty. Then you can freeze it or do what you will with said broth, then when you heat it up add dark leafy vegetables, and or eggs if that's your thing- eggs and avocados do not disgest so well so take care. Nothing like having a stomach on top of everything else.
Perhaps a pickle juice would help but you would have to look at the ingredients, even sauerkraut juice or sauerkraut added into the broth. Just check the ingredients, it is normal to shit a lot do to lack of fibrous vegetables, it takes awhile to get used to it IE about a week or so. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 7:59:08 PM EDT
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All this argument over two different diets for different goals. Yes carbs can be beneficial to an athlete/weight lifter who isn't looking to drop weight. Keto is for dropping weight without muscle loss. Fad? I did my first keto cut in 1999. I have yet to see a Bodybuilder, even those loaded on 10k worth of drugs, shovel brown rice into their mouth while cutting for a show.
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Posted: 5/24/2017 8:04:24 PM EDT
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You have the Keto Flu. Take a bullion cube put it in a cup of water and drink it.
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Posted: 5/24/2017 8:20:09 PM EDT
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So all the eskimos who have no access to carbs thrived how? How did ancient man thrive? Don't give me the bullshit that they were making bread and eating grass. The Apache Indians basically lived on a high carb, low fat, low protein diet (mesquite bean, yucca and venison jerky mixed and pounded into "pemmican" cakes) and were renowned for their endurance, often running 100 miles or more in a day. Geronimo lived a brutal life in the desert southwest on that diet and lived to be 79 years old and there's nobody that can dispute his strength and endurance. Processed foods (especially high fructose corn syrup) are what destroyed the health of modern man not the carb to fat to protein ratios. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 8:46:45 PM EDT
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I try to stay out of GD nutrition and fitness threads because it's always so backwards from what science and the professionals say. I understand the appeal of wanting to jump on something trendy but damn, it gets bad here. I have the same issue with vegan cyclists and a trend that's growing to basically eat nothing but carbs. These guys will make a raspberry smoothie and pour a cup of sugar in it. They are all super thin of course so they therefore think it's the best option. Many of them leave out the fact that they are on testosterone because their hormone levels are so jacked from lack of fat but hey, let's leave out the stuff that doesn't fit your narrative right? |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 9:04:15 PM EDT
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I think you're wrong. The easy way is the preferred way. Just because modern science can demonstrate that it's better for us doesn't make it the preferred energy source from the pov of our bodies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not preferred. It's easier. Those are not synonyms. The easy way isn't always the best way. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 9:18:33 PM EDT
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How is it "bullshit" that we have evidence of bread making going back at least 2100 years? The Apache Indians basically lived on a high carb, low fat, low protein diet (mesquite bean, yucca and venison jerky mixed and pounded into "pemmican" cakes) and were renowned for their endurance, often running 100 miles or more in a day. Geronimo lived a brutal life in the desert southwest on that diet and lived to be 79 years old and there's nobody that can dispute his strength and endurance. Processed foods (especially high fructose corn syrup) are what destroyed the health of modern man not the carb to fat to protein ratios. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 9:32:14 PM EDT
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These nutrition threads always get so heated. GD takes their dieting methodologies very seriously!
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Posted: 5/24/2017 9:38:47 PM EDT
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Pemmican is high fat. Lots of calories. No beriberi. Yucca is pretty much a potato as far as carbs go, that's the primary ingredient. Mesquite beans are high protein and basically no fat. Venison or rabbit are high protein and very low fat. Nothing in the desert has a high fat content except the very rare black bear in the high country (and Apaches don't eat bear). |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 9:39:15 PM EDT
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These nutrition threads always get so heated. GD takes their dieting methodologies very seriously!
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Posted: 5/24/2017 9:41:02 PM EDT
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LOL. Well, since you think that I guess it's settled. Boys, we can all hang it up and start eating candy bars since sugar is the body's preferred energy source. Don't believe me? FreeFloater, our resident expert, says so. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 9:42:52 PM EDT
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These nutrition threads always get so heated. GD takes their dieting methodologies very seriously!
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Posted: 5/24/2017 9:43:51 PM EDT
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Is there a time frame to flush out the carbs from your system?
Say, I go low carb for a few days, maybe under 20g. Then I have a carb binge where I eat and drink lots of carb stuff like beer and go about 150ish. Overnight? 24-72 hours? |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 9:51:09 PM EDT
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BEWARE! Everyone that I know who has lost weight RAPIDLY with lo-carb diets has lost their gallbladder. Mine had no stones, but it just stopped working. My wife had hers out. My aunt had hers out. My dad had his out. Even Dr Nowazardian or however you spell his name on 600 lb life said this can happen with rapid weight loss. Many people might think this is BS, but it really makes sense.
I'm on the lowish carb diet I think permanently now. Mostly what I eat is BBQ (pork or chicken), Del Taco grilled chicken tacos re-loaded into a carb balance tortilla or some sort of chicken wraps. Maybe once a week, I have a day where I eat something with more carbs. I like being able to wear my 2x shirts and 42 pants. 6'1" 275 now. Highest I ever weighed was 317 and that was probably 10 years ago. It's not too hard to keep up this way of eating. Just try to stay under 50-75 carbs per day. I get more exercise at work now too since I am no longer chained to a desk. If I feel like having a treat, I take a bit of someone elses treat.
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Posted: 5/24/2017 9:57:41 PM EDT
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Try some mortons light salt and a little dark chocolate.
Sodium potassium and magnesium. I go back and fourth from keto to cheating pretty frequently. For me i just am a little hungrier the day after a carb day. Happens if i drink too much too. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 10:08:23 PM EDT
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LOL. Well, since you think that I guess it's settled. Boys, we can all hang it up and start eating candy bars since sugar is the body's preferred energy source. Don't believe me? FreeFloater, our resident expert, says so. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 10:20:34 PM EDT
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You may have overdone it. As already stated, you could be suffering from low blood sugar. Have a spoon full of peanut butter. If it helps, you are running on empty.
What is your goal? If you want to lose weight, we are doing very well keeping it under 40 mg/day. Do you cook? Lots of great recipes and ideas on the interwebs. Make sure to get enough fats, and don't skimp on portions. No need to go designer either, just eat the good stuff, no low fat, low cal, low taste, low nothing. They are usually full of sugar anyway. How did your grandparents (or maybe great-grandparents) eat? You may look in to that. I would suggest looking up some guidelines on this, you can hurt yourself if done recklessly. |
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Posted: 5/24/2017 10:22:06 PM EDT
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Replace your daily weight of food with weight in potatoes and get back to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No no no, vegetables make you fat Now you go ahead and get 100 carbs a day all from green veggies and get back to me 
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Posted: 5/25/2017 6:13:01 AM EDT
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Teriyaki is sugar, man! Lots and lots of sugar. Needless to say, I didn't dip my meat in that sweet, delicious sauce. 
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:00:48 AM EDT
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Which is strange for a bunch of fat asses. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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These nutrition threads always get so heated. GD takes their dieting methodologies very seriously!  
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Posted: 5/25/2017 11:52:07 AM EDT
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LOL. Well, since you think that I guess it's settled. Boys, we can all hang it up and start eating candy bars since sugar is the body's preferred energy source. Don't believe me? FreeFloater, our resident expert, says so. We've demonstrated that the body will burn sugar before fat. How can anyone defend the notion that the body prefers to burn fat? It clearly prefers to burn sugar. It was offered that burning sugar is the easy (lazy) way out. The body seems to prefer the easy way out. Again...there's nothing you've presented so far to contradict this. |
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