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Posted: 5/19/2017 10:45:00 AM EDT
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I can only imagine why he has these ridiculous rules.
Must have been dealing with BS people for the last 30 years. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 10:46:45 AM EDT
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"I have boycotted certain companies for 20 years + because of a severe lack of warrantee honor. I don't want to name anyone in particular, but I'll say their name starts with a Trij ! " |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 10:52:07 AM EDT
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I find it interesting he puts his client's email addresses on the testimonial page....
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Posted: 5/19/2017 10:52:18 AM EDT
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I bet he gets a lot of repeat customers. He also seems to think his profession is on the same playing field as doctors dentists and lawyers.
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Posted: 5/19/2017 10:54:41 AM EDT
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I bet he gets a lot of repeat customers. He also seems to think his profession is on the same playing field as doctors dentists and lawyers. A profession is a profession from the garbage man to the surgeon. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 10:55:20 AM EDT
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Website designed in 1999.
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:01:18 AM EDT
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Quote History(well that and competent 'smithing techniques.) anyone know his gd name? 
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:01:20 AM EDT
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I never met a gunsmith that wasn't a fucking prick. That includes asking questions, purchasing and or having work done.
Those buttercups should try working pc repair if they think they have it hard. Everybody's time is worth money. There is no "special time" worth more for a specific job set. PS: If you're one of the nice guy gunsmith's good for you and I'm sure your customers really appreciate it! |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:08:06 AM EDT
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Link Some of the gold from the frequently asked questions on his site. Q: Why can't I talk to you on the phone?
A: Well, you CAN, just not for free. I AM available to advise you, but there is a minimum $10 fee for it. I charge $150 per hour whether I am working on your gun, or giving you advice, it uses the same time from my day. I will not count exact minutes on the phone, but we all need to try to be fair about it. $150hr = $2.50 per minute, send as much as you feel you may need, any $ left over & can be credited to your gun work. Before you complain, ask does your lawyer charge you for phone time? Q: Can I drop off my gun to you? A: YES, but there is a $100 fee (per visit) JUST to get in the door. And it is by APPOINTMENT ONLY. Just like a Doctor visit or Lawyer's session. $100 Per Visit Charge (drop off = 1 + pick up = 2 / 1+1=2 visits) Please read my NEW POLICIES web page for more information. Q: Will you return my old parts after you replace them with new parts? A: NO, not unless you request it IN ADVANCE, and usually pay a small core charge. Yes, just like almost all auto parts stores, they charge a core fee until you return the old parts. I do sell off the old take off parts as scrap to the "garage gunsmiths" to tinker with. I have no problem returning your old parts to you, just a small extra fee that's all. PLEASE read my "TJ's Custom Gunworks Standard Work Policy Disclosure & Liability Disclaimer" for more on all of my policies. Q: Do I need to clean my gun before shipping it to you? Starting Jan 1, 2012 I am charging a minimum fee of $35 for any gun sent in that is filthy or gummy with grease. If your gun is just dusty, or you ran a couple mags though it then it is no problem, no charge. BUT if you have not cleaned you gun in 100's or 1000's of rounds, you can expect to pay a cleaning fee ($35 - $95) Also if you gun is clean, but you have filled it with any grease, Froglube, or anything similar, it is MINIMUM of $35 cleaning fee (Froglube = $95 cleaning). If you send me your gun without the cleaning fee and I find it filthy or greased up, I will contact you for the extra $, so don't be shocked. Would you stop by and eat a pizza on the way to your dentist office for a checkup????? Probably not, so think about it please. Or, just send the cleaning fee $ and that is all good too. You are pre-warned so please be fair & considerate. *Please note the $35 "MINIMUM GUN CLEANING FEE" does NOT include complete disassembly or barrel scrubbing/deleading.  Jeez.....just hang a "Closed" sign on you door a stop wasting everybody's time. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:11:37 AM EDT
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Q: Do you have any recommendations for a Holster? A: Well, to preserve the finish on the slide, the best is any soft nylon holster Starting Jan 1, 2012 I am charging a minimum fee of $35 for any gun sent in that is filthy or gummy with grease. If your gun is just dusty, or you ran a couple mags though it then it is no problem, no charge. BUT if you have not cleaned you gun in 100's or 1000's of rounds, you can expect to pay a cleaning fee ($35 - $95) Also if you gun is clean, but you have filled it with any grease, Froglube, or anything similar, it is MINIMUM of $35 cleaning fee (Froglube = $95 cleaning). If you send me your gun without the cleaning fee and I find it filthy or greased up, I will contact you for the extra $, so don't be shocked. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:11:49 AM EDT
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I bet he gets a lot of repeat customers. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:13:47 AM EDT
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Damn he took down the secret website, but left the link on the page for some reason.
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:14:07 AM EDT
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You can drop off guns to me, by appointment, for an ADDITIONAL fee of $100 ( Paid immediately upon entry. Fee is for my time to see and talk to you not for any work. ) - this fee is a PER-VISIT fee, so if you drop a gun off it is $100 and when you pick it up it is an additional $100, that being said, IF I DON'T have to hear stories about your granpa & uncles and all what you used to have and do, then I usually offer a discounted DROP-OFF/PICK-UP combo for $150.  Sounds more like an escort service. "Hey baby, you wanna come see me and talk to me? That'll be $100 daddy"
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:20:11 AM EDT
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We have our own local nutjob.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:25:07 AM EDT
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Most of the testimonials are almost 20 yrs old.
Probably the same age as his website coding. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:25:56 AM EDT
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Lippard is entertaining enough with his wack-ass patents and "innovations" that don't amount to shit, yet he still turns out a gun with that remedial-looking Wilson drop in beavertail. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/9714/0-211633.JPG |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:27:11 AM EDT
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And a core charge for gun parts? I've never had a smith try to pull that on me. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:29:39 AM EDT
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Had a guy here in the 90s that was this guy's clone
Except he did "precision" rifles with 40" long 3" dia barrels that look like they were fluted with a chisel. He ended up going to prison Stole a bunch of used tires from a nearby business. Cops followed footprints in the snow to the back door of his shop . Found racks of machine guns he was building for some militia group he was involved with |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:29:45 AM EDT
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Holly shit. That guy must be insufferable to talk to in real life. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:34:46 AM EDT
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He's too busy working on guns and talking on the phone for $250 an hour to update his website. And yes, that's the same website he's had up since the 90s, I remember seeing it back then. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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and the web site alone....that's like 1996 technology....his site makes me want to vomit. You wonder how he stays in business with his 'rules'...how does he stay in business with that web site?  And yes, that's the same website he's had up since the 90s, I remember seeing it back then. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:36:38 AM EDT
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For $2.50 a minute you can find out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Holly shit. That guy must be insufferable to talk to in real life. I actually do like this Beretta, always wanted one with a comp.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:41:23 AM EDT
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Understandable. I know a guy who runs a small hedge fund. He's a millionaire and has stuff to do. Sometimes a client wants to come complain about something and thinks, "I have a bunch of money managed here, and I'm special, so I can waste this guy's time." He started charging $1000/hour for his time. Clients who are mad enough still come to complain from time to time, but it cut down on the amount of nonsense he was having to waste time on.
Another story. My wife's aunt is a hair stylist, pretty successful at it with a huge clientele. Over the course of two years she inherited three other stylists' clients as they all retired. Suddenly she was working 5 days a week instead of the 3 she'd always worked, and working harder, and she didn't need the extra money. I told her to start telling her clients that as of January first, all prices would double. The good clients who appreciated her would pay it and stay; those are the clients you want. The cheaper clients not willing to pay would move on; they aren't worth trying to keep. It worked. If you're successful and busy, you can afford to be discriminating with your customers. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:41:40 AM EDT
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That beavertail is embarrassing Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lippard is entertaining enough with his wack-ass patents and "innovations" that don't amount to shit, yet he still turns out a gun with that remedial-looking Wilson drop in beavertail. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/9714/0-211633.JPG A4 Pistol Model All pistol parts identified with "A4" nomenclature are derived from this advanced model of a 1911. Parts can upgrade the 1911 NCO A2, and A3 model pistols. The key feature is that it is gas operated and will function with all ammunition to Hypersonic speed without alteration. The pistol is not available at this time and considered KLD ClassifiedA5 Pistol Model The A5 model system is not part of the 1911 platform. Slated for military use in 2100 it is the most advanced offensive pistol ever conceived and has no civilian use. Its key features are classified except it fires over 400 rounds a minute. The term "A5" in the name is to hide its design capability from view. It can be introduced today as a Close Quarters Battle Machine Pistol. It is one of the experimental weapons of Karl Lippard Designs that are highly classified.SolidRifle™ **** Now in Production **** The SolidRifle™ - US Patent 8365647 B2 is a new design concept and not an advancement of a previous design. The Military bolt SolidRifle™ is round except for integral components. The Model name is "300L." This model is named after American Revolutionary hero "General Daniel Morgan" and signifies the "300 Lashes" the British gave him while spread eagle over a carriage wheel. It is to remind us all of his courage, and how far a man can go if he has the will to win. The Sniper Rifle, is a new concept "Infantry Small Arm Multi Configuration Weapon System." A variation of SolidRifle™ (Patented and Patent Pending) is Semi-Auto or Fully Automatic. Much of this model is highly classified and available presently only to the military. It promises new ammunition and assets never before seen on a battlefield and will be totally made in America. The fully automatic rifle with selective fire is a multi configuration design that can change its caliber and configuration is seconds to suit theater of War or tactical need. The civilian version SolidRifle™ is called the "Daniel Morgan" in memory of his cunning, courage, and success at the Cow Pens during the America Revolution. It is a Bolt Action. It sports a solid one piece barrel and action of octagonal shape incorporating express 1/4 rib rear sight and integral front sight and barrel Sling Swivel. The bolt and firing system (also patent pending) are completely new and not an advancement of any previous design. This change in firing method is the first material change since the crossbow; a rifle firing design that actually has remained unchanged since the advent of the bow and arrow. No other firearm has ever been made like it and 2 patents have been issued to date with two patent pending. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:42:20 AM EDT
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terrible website he sounds like a clown. As if handgun gunsmiths are some amazing thing... you would think he was this amazing high precision rifle gunsmith or something but he's not
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:43:55 AM EDT
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That beavertail is embarrassing |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:47:35 AM EDT
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I could not deal with that fucktard in person.
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:49:05 AM EDT
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I wouldn't use that guy if his work was free.
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:51:58 AM EDT
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There is not enough
in the entire internet to describe this.
Yet another reminder that the basic principles of running a business are often considered allergic by business owners in the gun industry. It really never ceases to amaze me. Sometimes I find myself feeling like I'm trapped in some weird alternate universe where gun business owners are under mind control by aliens forcing them to make all the wrong decisions and do the exact opposite of common sense business practice. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:57:11 AM EDT
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I hope this doesn't mean that the gunshop and gunsmithing will become synonymous with bad customer service.
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Posted: 5/19/2017 12:14:11 PM EDT
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"I have boycotted certain companies for 20 years + because of a severe lack of warrantee honor. I don't want to name anyone in particular, but I'll say their name starts with a Trij ! " |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 12:17:57 PM EDT
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If you buy new parts, and the old parts were on your gun, I thought you owned both? I always thought you were given your old parts back, unless you tell them to keep them? WTF??  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Holly shit. That guy must be insufferable to talk to in real life.
And a core charge for gun parts? I've never had a smith try to pull that on me. 
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Posted: 5/19/2017 12:23:58 PM EDT
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I find it interesting he puts his client's email addresses on the testimonial page....
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Posted: 5/19/2017 12:34:15 PM EDT
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He seems upfront and direct. I like both of those qualities. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 12:40:02 PM EDT
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I can see where he's coming from. People always wanting free info. If a doctor can charge $1000+ an hour, go for it. I wonder what a lawyer would say if I called up and said I need some advise? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He seems upfront and direct. I like both of those qualities. Because they want your business. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 12:50:54 PM EDT
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Reminds me of the guy who was doing the 1911 .22LR conversions...Ceiner?? |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 12:51:33 PM EDT
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Reminds me of the guy who was doing the 1911 .22LR conversions...Ceiner?? I personally hate the guy. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 12:56:59 PM EDT
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I knew it was TJ's before opening the link.
I bought a short hammer that he makes for early P220's and had to call to check if it would work with mine, he gave me the impression that he didn't care to be on the phone. I ended up buying it, so he had no real cause for complaint. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 1:01:20 PM EDT
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The man is tired of the tire kickers I charge just to show up, and if our phone call lasts ~7 minutes you are getting a bill for my minimum increment, 15 minutes. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 1:01:34 PM EDT
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I can see where he's coming from. People always wanting free info. If a doctor can charge $1000+ an hour, go for it. I wonder what a lawyer would say if I called up and said I need some advise? |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 1:14:23 PM EDT
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I love how much he hates Froglube.
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Posted: 5/19/2017 1:14:49 PM EDT
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He must not like making a profit.
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Posted: 5/19/2017 1:17:28 PM EDT
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At least he's up front. You have to be REALLY good at what you do to get away with an attitude like that. ... you can be incompetent as fuck and people will keep coming back, so long as you stroke their feels just right. It's always better to be incompetent and friendly than vice versa as far as sales are concerned. Most people are driven by emotion, not logic. That's just the way it is. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 1:30:06 PM EDT
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He must not like making a profit. "But muh marginz" |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 1:40:41 PM EDT
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Reminds me of the guy who was doing the 1911 .22LR conversions...Ceiner?? and yes, he had a bad rep. I never bought his kit because I could never get a call back from him. He did me a great favor, so I owe him that. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 1:43:46 PM EDT
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Dude is off is rocker. And that webpage hurts to look at. First he says: "A gun made 10 years ago is MUCH better then one made today, and one made 15 years ago is MUCH better then that one ! The current cast hammers fall FAR behind the quality / workmanship / workability of the older machined hammers." Then he says when answering why a new P220 feels better than an old P228 or P226 after he works on it: "But also ALL the P228 and older P226 have a factory flaw, that is they do not strike the primer in the center" SO are old ones better of new ones? Cant make up his mind it seems. "pointing out contradictions" is a $250 charge, minimum. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 1:45:53 PM EDT
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Dude needs an enema at $250/hr. 
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Posted: 5/19/2017 1:47:37 PM EDT
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Jonathan Arthur Ciener...... I personally hate the guy. Talk about some shady business practices. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 1:47:54 PM EDT
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That guy's website, florescent colors on a black background, made my eye's bleed.
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Posted: 5/19/2017 1:48:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat looks like runny dog shit.
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Posted: 5/19/2017 1:49:05 PM EDT
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I'm wondering if I should troll him.....like stop by his shop unannounced (he can't be more than 40 minutes away) and bang on the door until he lets me in, tell him I need a new hammer for my Glock because I think it fell off...can't find it anywhere...watch him meltdown...record everything...post it here.
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