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Posted: 5/4/2017 12:04:07 AM EDT
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So I did some reading: Family members originally scoffed at the 5.2m offer because they had over 50 members wanting a cut. Sounds like they claimed people as family members so they can access said property or drive up price. They claimed decades ago that the airbase makes them sick so thats why they dont visit. They provide tours to their property and own a museum for alien type shit They say they need to provide two weeks notice in advance before arriving to their property. During this time area51 spends tons of tax payer money covering everything up and stops operations... apparently cost in the hundreds of millions a year. Family is citing the "savings" tax payers would get as an evaluation. The family has been known to take pictures and firearms which the base allows them, but they arent supposed to take pictures... but they do anyways and have posted pics online. "Family" can visit the property any time. This property is surrounded by the air force property and they have on terms access rights. Technically the owners (air force) can refuse the island access... but they never refused them in the past. They tried to get 116m from the sale making up crap about cost to remove and how large the family was. They don't live on the property. They they "visit" it, they come in a convoy of people with plates that advertises their land and its area 51 association. In 1984 groom lake base claimed 89,000 acres around them. Eventually they become the only property surrounded by hundreds of miles of dod land. At some point in 1954 their outpost became mistaken as a practice target. Some claimed it was a jettisoned fuel tank. They cant build there, get water, get power, etc. can't be farmed, staffed, or hunted. Basically the land is a barren useless piece of restricted land. Family members visits the property once a month. Sorry I dont feel sorry for these people. They exploited this into tours, pictures, fame, etc at an immense cost to tax payers. They should have cut that check for 5.2 which was a huge over evaluation and ran with it... instead they tried to bluff their hand and lost.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMLOYl8CSpQ |
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Posted: 5/4/2017 12:55:36 AM EDT
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Hey look another reason for ARFcom to hate me...
So now it looks like my family may be the last private land holders on the Air Force bombing range here in Nevada. At least for the time being... 
We have 5 patented mining claims to the southeast of Goldfield Nevada that we have owned since around 1912 or so. We have records to show that they are productive mining claims that could be profitably worked if we had access. I've been escorted out to the property twice in the last 15 years. Some of my family members are interviewed in this government produced 4 part video on Youtube. They flew us out to the site by helicopter when they filmed the video.  Cactus Range: End of an Era - Part 1 of 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rz3cnGBt1Q |
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Posted: 5/4/2017 1:13:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/4/2017 1:49:27 AM EDT
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That's a better deal than the Indians got
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Posted: 5/4/2017 2:14:03 AM EDT
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Ya, you don't get to be a massive espionage risk just because your family owned land near a military base.
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Posted: 5/4/2017 3:00:23 AM EDT
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My advice would be to refuse the blankets. 
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Posted: 5/4/2017 3:49:23 AM EDT
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This is probably the least offensive eminent domain seizure I've ever heard of. |
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Posted: 5/4/2017 3:52:01 AM EDT
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4.5m dollars for a rusted as fuck model A and an anvil? |
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Posted: 5/4/2017 4:24:15 AM EDT
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The family was offered $5.2 Million in 2015 per their own website. The challenge is that they have over 20 different family members involved and each wanted a cut. The early boisterous counter-offer was $116 Million. At this point it is probably an academic exercise for some DOJ attorney to see how little they can settle for out of spite. 
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Posted: 5/4/2017 4:27:25 AM EDT
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where? cheapest i have found is $500, and that's border area. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seems high for unimproved desert acreage. In Texas that type of ground goes for under $200 per acre.
where? cheapest i have found is $500, and that's border area. 15 ac for $8k |
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Posted: 5/4/2017 4:29:30 AM EDT
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You missed the part where the gummint only wants to pay 300K. NOT 4.5M. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've never heard of an eminent domain suit that precludes the displaced person from removing their personal property. I'd just take the 4.5 MILLION BUCKS AND SPLIT!! |
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Posted: 5/4/2017 7:51:36 PM EDT
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Psssst... Nevada. |
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Posted: 5/4/2017 9:46:28 PM EDT
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Hey look another reason for ARFcom to hate me...
So now it looks like my family may be the last private land holders on the Air Force bombing range here in Nevada. At least for the time being...
We have 5 patented mining claims to the southeast of Goldfield Nevada that we have owned since around 1912 or so. We have records to show that they are productive mining claims that could be profitably worked if we had access. I've been escorted out to the property twice in the last 15 years. Some of my family members are interviewed in this government produced 4 part video on Youtube. They flew us out to the site by helicopter when they filmed the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rz3cnGBt1Q
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Posted: 5/4/2017 10:34:47 PM EDT
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Do you have to pay personal property tax in Nevada? If so then even if the land is paid for you Really Do Not Own IT.
The State owns it if you do not pay the State taxes. Seems like they could just raise the tax rate to where they could tax at extreme rates saying the commercial value of peeping on the Federal Government, rent out to vacationers, other Governments, Tourists, Prospectors. No matter what you think you are only renting the land from the state. Do not pay your land tax and the tax man will take it away. |
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Posted: 5/4/2017 10:50:23 PM EDT
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Seems like the AF and DoD tried to be amicable in earlier offers for the property. I don't celebrate eminent domain but in this case, they had their chance to walk away with good money.
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Posted: 5/4/2017 10:51:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's actually kinda pretty area. I wouldn't mind living right next to Big Bend.
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Posted: 5/4/2017 11:19:00 PM EDT
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Did you even read any part of the article? No one has offered them 4.5 million, that number was their expert's evaluation. Our government has seized the property and then valued the seized property at $333,000. "Leavitt said the property is unique because it was — before its seizure — the only privately held acreage with a view of Area 51." Over 400 acres next to area 51 for $333,000. Yea that sounds legit. Someone in our government hates these people and is doing their best to stomp them. According to the family’s news release, one expert found that by “removing the Sheahans from their property, the USAF stands to gain between $444 million (and) $2 billion per year, the amount it cost them to shut down operations while the family visited their property.” |
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Posted: 5/4/2017 11:24:52 PM EDT
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Move Area 51 to Hawaii and bulldoze Obamber's home into the sea.
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Posted: 5/4/2017 11:24:53 PM EDT
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Seems like the AF and DoD tried to be amicable in earlier offers for the property. I don't celebrate eminent domain but in this case, they had their chance to walk away with good money. The part about a active gold mine is pure speculation on the claim holder, and to be more to the point, profitable. I don't see any profitability there, logistics alone prevent that, there are far easier to mine, mines out there that can't make a profit. I think that was therir only card they thought they could play, and it wasn't even a pair. |
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Posted: 5/4/2017 11:27:18 PM EDT
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Just have them all pass TS security clearances and leave them alone |
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Posted: 5/4/2017 11:31:47 PM EDT
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But, if .gov wants something, my inclination is to say no. Just emulating their MO. TC |
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Posted: 5/5/2017 10:20:57 AM EDT
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TL;DR But, if .gov wants something, my inclination is to say no. Just emulating their MO. TC They were offered a honest appraisal, taking into consideration logistics to the mine, what it would take to get the mine going, and the fact the goverment could pull those claims if they wanted so the mine really isn't a asset they think it is, and their property is land locked and they could be cut off at any moment, which basically it was, and they were in my opinion only going in there with paying photographers to get Groom Lake photos, which the Air Force countered by hiding everything. I'm even going to bet that the monies cited by the Air Force are not that high either, but the inconvience to the Air Force and their contractors drove this forward. I bet if they all went in once a year to keep the mine claim active and abide by their rules of photography they might probabably never been put in this situation? |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:00:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:03:25 PM EDT
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I tend to agree, but common sense should come into play here. You have no cards to play and goverment is holding the deck. That's why I can't understand why they didn't take the original offer, they refused it because of greed, thinking they could over value it, basically using their pulled out of their ass figures, they should have known they were not going to win that argument. Who ever advised them should have their head examined. Five million split 50 ways if their even close relatives is a helluva lot more than 300 grand. They were offered a honest appraisal, taking into consideration logistics to the mine, what it would take to get the mine going, and the fact the goverment could pull those claims if they wanted so the mine really isn't a asset they think it is, and their property is land locked and they could be cut off at any moment, which basically it was, and they were in my opinion only going in there with paying photographers to get Groom Lake photos, which the Air Force countered by hiding everything. I'm even going to bet that the monies cited by the Air Force are not that high either, but the inconvience to the Air Force and their contractors drove this forward. I bet I'd they all went in once a year to keep the mine claim active and abide by their rules of photography they might probabably never been put in this situation? Oh, that's just brilliant. 
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:21:18 PM EDT
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They're giving them 333,300 period. For everything. Which is, frankly, a pittance. But hey, that's eminent domain for you. Their land is now the people's land. Sucks guys but this is nothing new. |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:28:36 PM EDT
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Wait, they were doing guided picture tours of Groom Lake from their place? Oh, that's just brilliant. .
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:30:14 PM EDT
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From my understanding they posted pictures on the internet as well? If true .Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wait, they were doing guided picture tours of Groom Lake from their place? Oh, that's just brilliant. . |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:37:11 PM EDT
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They're giving them 333,300 period. For everything. Which is, frankly, a pittance. But hey, that's eminent domain for you. Their land is now the people's land. |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:37:48 PM EDT
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So I did some reading: Family members originally scoffed at the 5.2m offer because they had over 50 members wanting a cut. Sounds like they claimed people as family members so they can access said property or drive up price. They claimed decades ago that the airbase makes them sick so thats why they dont visit. They provide tours to their property and own a museum for alien type shit They say they need to provide two weeks notice in advance before arriving to their property. During this time area51 spends tons of tax payer money covering everything up and stops operations... apparently cost in the hundreds of millions a year. Family is citing the "savings" tax payers would get as an evaluation. The family has been known to take pictures and firearms which the base allows them, but they arent supposed to take pictures... but they do anyways and have posted pics online. "Family" can visit the property any time. This property is surrounded by the air force property and they have on terms access rights. Technically the owners (air force) can refuse the island access... but they never refused them in the past. They tried to get 116m from the sale making up crap about cost to remove and how large the family was. They don't live on the property. They they "visit" it, they come in a convoy of people with plates that advertises their land and its area 51 association. In 1984 groom lake base claimed 89,000 acres around them. Eventually they become the only property surrounded by hundreds of miles of dod land. At some point in 1954 their outpost became mistaken as a practice target. Some claimed it was a jettisoned fuel tank. They cant build there, get water, get power, etc. can't be farmed, staffed, or hunted. Basically the land is a barren useless piece of restricted land. Family members visits the property once a month. Sorry I dont feel sorry for these people. They exploited this into tours, pictures, fame, etc at an immense cost to tax payers. They should have cut that check for 5.2 which was a huge over evaluation and ran with it... instead they tried to bluff their hand and lost. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMLOYl8CSpQ |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:39:21 PM EDT
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They're giving them 333,300 period. For everything. Which is, frankly, a pittance. But hey, that's eminent domain for you. Their land is now the people's land. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Give me $4.5 mil and I'll vacate in one month's time. Pay movers to bring in trucks to haul my sh*t out. I'll have to find more land to move to and put up a house. Which is, frankly, a pittance. But hey, that's eminent domain for you. Their land is now the people's land. |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:41:39 PM EDT
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That's nuts a nice house on 10 Acres of land around here will cost $250-300k Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Give me $4.5 mil and I'll vacate in one month's time. Pay movers to bring in trucks to haul my sh*t out. I'll have to find more land to move to and put up a house. Which is, frankly, a pittance. But hey, that's eminent domain for you. Their land is now the people's land. |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:42:17 PM EDT
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So Area 51 has been in operation since ~1955 and ONLY NOW (2015) do they get around to this property? |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:46:16 PM EDT
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The family had plenty of chances to be reasonable, and quite frankly their place is a barren shithole. The price per acre there is very minimal due to the lack of water.
They would have been money ahead, but instead decided to nut up on the .gov, who holds all the cards. In other words, they were stupid. Now they are trying to play the sympathy card. Maybe they can try a Bundy Ranch type standoff... |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:48:33 PM EDT
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The family had plenty of chances to be reasonable, and quite frankly their place is a barren shithole. The price per acre there is very minimal due to the lack of water. They would have been money ahead, but instead decided to nut up on the .gov, who holds all the cards. In other words, they were stupid. Now they are trying to play the sympathy card. Maybe they can try a Bundy Ranch type standoff... |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:49:36 PM EDT
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This is shit land in the middle of nowhere with no access whose only value is it overlooks a classified test site. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Give me $4.5 mil and I'll vacate in one month's time. Pay movers to bring in trucks to haul my sh*t out. I'll have to find more land to move to and put up a house. Which is, frankly, a pittance. But hey, that's eminent domain for you. Their land is now the people's land. |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:50:49 PM EDT
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If the visits cost the taxpayers hundreds of millions per pop, then certainly the USAF could have given them a more generous offer and still saved a but-ton of money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I did some reading: Family members originally scoffed at the 5.2m offer because they had over 50 members wanting a cut. Sounds like they claimed people as family members so they can access said property or drive up price. They claimed decades ago that the airbase makes them sick so thats why they dont visit. They provide tours to their property and own a museum for alien type shit They say they need to provide two weeks notice in advance before arriving to their property. During this time area51 spends tons of tax payer money covering everything up and stops operations... apparently cost in the hundreds of millions a year. Family is citing the "savings" tax payers would get as an evaluation. The family has been known to take pictures and firearms which the base allows them, but they arent supposed to take pictures... but they do anyways and have posted pics online. "Family" can visit the property any time. This property is surrounded by the air force property and they have on terms access rights. Technically the owners (air force) can refuse the island access... but they never refused them in the past. They tried to get 116m from the sale making up crap about cost to remove and how large the family was. They don't live on the property. They they "visit" it, they come in a convoy of people with plates that advertises their land and its area 51 association. In 1984 groom lake base claimed 89,000 acres around them. Eventually they become the only property surrounded by hundreds of miles of dod land. At some point in 1954 their outpost became mistaken as a practice target. Some claimed it was a jettisoned fuel tank. They cant build there, get water, get power, etc. can't be farmed, staffed, or hunted. Basically the land is a barren useless piece of restricted land. Family members visits the property once a month. Sorry I dont feel sorry for these people. They exploited this into tours, pictures, fame, etc at an immense cost to tax payers. They should have cut that check for 5.2 which was a huge over evaluation and ran with it... instead they tried to bluff their hand and lost. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMLOYl8CSpQ |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:51:47 PM EDT
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So Area 51 has been in operation since ~1955 and ONLY NOW (2015) do they get around to this property? |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:52:45 PM EDT
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I'm not saying what the gov did was right but they should have taken it.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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September 10, 2015 the US Gov offered them 5.2 million dollars and they declined it. With what I have read they have them more than a fair offer. doesnt make it right, but that is just how it is. This is not a ran granny off her retirement house to build a park seizure anyway. |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:52:52 PM EDT
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You never really "own" anything.
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:55:45 PM EDT
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So Area 51 has been in operation since ~1955 and ONLY NOW (2015) do they get around to this property? |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:57:02 PM EDT
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You give me $4.5 million and I'll vacate in an hour, anything still here is yours.
$333k, we're gonna argue. Kharn |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:57:05 PM EDT
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We really don't know how much it cost us as allot of those budgets are shrouded in secrecy, and why should we pay more than fair market value, which I think the government may have exceeded at 300 grand 
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:58:45 PM EDT
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Could have bought so much land for $5.2 million.
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Posted: 5/7/2017 2:02:19 PM EDT
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That's nuts a nice house on 10 Acres of land around here will cost $250-300k |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 2:02:45 PM EDT
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You give me $4.5 million and I'll vacate in an hour, anything still here is yours. $333k, we're gonna argue. Kharn Actually I think 300k is too much but oh well |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 2:02:54 PM EDT
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Do you have to pay personal property tax in Nevada? If so then even if the land is paid for you Really Do Not Own IT. The State owns it if you do not pay the State taxes. Seems like they could just raise the tax rate to where they could tax at extreme rates saying the commercial value of peeping on the Federal Government, rent out to vacationers, other Governments, Tourists, Prospectors. No matter what you think you are only renting the land from the state. Do not pay your land tax and the tax man will take it away. |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 2:06:47 PM EDT
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This is shit land in the middle of nowhere with no access whose only value is it overlooks a classified test site. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Give me $4.5 mil and I'll vacate in one month's time. Pay movers to bring in trucks to haul my sh*t out. I'll have to find more land to move to and put up a house. Which is, frankly, a pittance. But hey, that's eminent domain for you. Their land is now the people's land. |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 2:07:26 PM EDT
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I would be willing to bet there was a agreement made and signed by the Air Force and the family back in the 50's or 60's that stipulated rules for access, and the present generation violated it. This seems to be self inflicted, and was brought about by greed on the family part. The reason I'm thinking this is, there are some mines up by a government installation here, it's a tracking station of some sort owned by the Air Force, there is a family here who have some property with a couple old mines, they go in for a couple weekends each summer to keep the claims active. I went once with the great grandson to help out as I love old mines. His dad told me that as long as we obey the rules his great grandfather agreed to we would be able to continue to go in and work it. He fired off quite a few things in the agreement, I know they also had to officially write to air force base commander and receive written confirmation to the dates they planned on going in there. They were never declined and he said it usually took less than a week, and everyone was real nice about it. I can see there is a big difference, but I'm betting there was a agreement made so the family could keep the land and the mines.
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Posted: 5/7/2017 2:13:52 PM EDT
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Better than Alabama taking land to build a walmart
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Posted: 5/7/2017 4:38:31 PM EDT
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