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Did we ever figure out who was gonna play Alcibiades?

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The idea sounds good, but I can tell you've not been to a protest where they restrict things (like at Lawyers Mall in Annapolis for the 2013 protests against the latest MD anti-gun laws).

The police will check every sign - if it's not made of poster board, with at most a cardboard tube holding it up they will turn you away or take the sign.   They are not so clueless as to imagine that a plywood sign is just 'a sign'.  If there is a ban on 'shields' like Berkley you can bet wooden signs will not be allowed.

That's why the wood insert into a pack is such a great idea, they rarely check packs - other than to look in them for weapons.  Put in some water and a sweatshirt and you'll be good to go.

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That guy is good. watch him switch legs for the second cut.

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Is this a thread where I will not be trolled as being a complete nutbag for skin conditioning?

If I am not engaged in a lot of violent activities for extended periods then I like to keep my hide conditioned. I use a half inch diameter Delrin rod. I smack myself with it down near the ankles and work my way up - then switch hands and do the other leg - then do the arms. That way, when I take a hit it's not like getting hit for the first time. I don't go overboard - I strike just short of the intensity needed to cause bruising.

For the shoulders and chest I just use good old-fashioned pounding.

For the head I just knock on it with my knuckles like a solid door knock - all over.

This is mild compared to a real ass-beating. If you cannot do this then I would seriously question whether or not you should be on the field.

If you are scrapping all of the time then this is not really necessary.

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If it came in smoke or reflective, that would be sweet.

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How many times did he switch sides?

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my only prior knowledge of him was via the platonic dialogue, as the guy socrates had to go save in battle.  now i'm wiki-ing.

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Is this a thread where I will not be trolled as being a complete nutbag for skin conditioning?

If I am not engaged in a lot of violent activities for extended periods then I like to keep my hide conditioned. I use a half inch diameter Delrin rod. I smack myself with it down near the ankles and work my way up - then switch hands and do the other leg - then do the arms. That way, when I take a hit it's not like getting hit for the first time. I don't go overboard - I strike just short of the intensity needed to cause bruising.

For the shoulders and chest I just use good old-fashioned pounding.

For the head I just knock on it with my knuckles like a solid door knock - all over.

This is mild compared to a real ass-beating. If you cannot do this then I would seriously question whether or not you should be on the field.

If you are scrapping all of the time then this is not really necessary.

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Check this shit out.......the Left is indeed trying to up their ground game and must have
sack loads coming in on donations to be hiring full time positions like these

https://kansascity.craigslist.org/npo/6073678717.html

$360 to $535 per week

https://kansascity.craigslist.org/npo/6085274984.html

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lol. Yeah, I dont see antifa getting very far in the Panhandle.

Maybe create an EAL, paint a redline somewhere and challenge anyone that gets close?

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Uhmmmm, did you mean to post that here?

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Uhmmmm, did you mean to post that here?

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My interest in the Peloponesian Wars and Greek tactics has finally found a use.

Time for a quick reminder of some of the basics.

There was a time Heavy Infantry and Light Infantry had meaning.

Heavy Infantry, the Hoplites,  took and held ground.  They were armored, disciplined and strong.  They comprised the core of the Greek Armies.  Ground was of value.  In the Hellenes, good land was hard to come by.  Those who owned it gained strength.  Those who lost it lost strength.  

Land was of value.  But also of value, which the greeks embraced, was the war of annihilation.  here cavalry and light infantry, which could pursue and harass a broken enemy, came into their own as the retreating rabble were encumbered by their own heavy armor and, having broken, could be taken by swarms of Peltasts and cavalrymen.

While obviously you can't annihilate the enemy (aka Antifa and their black bloc allies) in this fight you must continue the pursuit, as was successfully done in the latest Battle of Berkley.

So whats the point of this quick history lesson.

The battles will be of two stages; the meeting of the heavy infantry and the pursuit of the broken enemy.  Both are essential.  While the main line can do this, forces dedicated to each ensure that both will occur.  

But pursue for what?

GREAT QUESTION!

Moldilocks wanted scalps.

Well, it just so happens the black block has scalps.

A point scale.

1 point for a bandana
3 points for a black jacket
5 points for a leather jacket.
20 points for an antifa flag.

100 points for a picture taken with a zip tied known leader of BAMN/Antifa etc forced to wear a MAGA hat.

Remember your Homer!  The stripping of enemy dead (or at least embarrassed) is an ancient and honorable hobby.  

While you will get a few bandanas and jackets during the meeting of the heavy infantry; its in the pursuit where the real money will be made.  So pursuit is mandatory.  Pursuit is the reason for the fight in the first place.  You fight to break the enemy, and then you pursue them until you can pursue them no longer.

Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.

We must have objectives beyond simply the defense of speakers.  A humiliated enemy to be mocked for all eternity.

And every time antifags come against the forces of Kek, we will broadcast our victories and we can declare, with Quantifiable means, how many points each battle earned.  And the Pepes across the land can boast with pride that their ass whooping of Antifa was 250 points higher than someone elses.

No individual's score will matter.  Only the cumulative score for the mass of Pepes in that battle will matter.

And pepes can hang with pride captured flags and bandanas as triumphs in the age old combat.

Anyway.  Just an old soldiers observation of a new era of warfare looking remarkably a lot like an old era of warfare.

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He plays a central role in Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War.  Fascinating figure.

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On the issue of gloves, what about traditional muay thai rope handwraps?  for the straight up melee guys

with the knots of course.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1280/1369836886_1563a8d6de_b.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/19/80/d4/1980d4ada8a9d25f4cf9eac665513751.jpg

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Is this a thread where I will not be trolled as being a complete nutbag for skin conditioning?

If I am not engaged in a lot of violent activities for extended periods then I like to keep my hide conditioned. I use a half inch diameter Delrin rod. I smack myself with it down near the ankles and work my way up - then switch hands and do the other leg - then do the arms. That way, when I take a hit it's not like getting hit for the first time. I don't go overboard - I strike just short of the intensity needed to cause bruising.

For the shoulders and chest I just use good old-fashioned pounding.

For the head I just knock on it with my knuckles like a solid door knock - all over.

This is mild compared to a real ass-beating. If you cannot do this then I would seriously question whether or not you should be on the field.

If you are scrapping all of the time then this is not really necessary.

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When I last saw it, this was a 2 page thread and I was thinking "fire extinguishers would work for Molotovs" and within a page it was addressed by a pro.  The hive delivers.


What I haven't seen addressed is a way to deal with one of Antifa's other weapons of choice:
http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/antifa-trash-575x383.jpg

In our context, I'm not sure if I'd call that a siege weapon - though it probably is; but I think of countermeasures against it in terms of how to stop vehicles.

First off, it's public/garbage company property, so it's uncool for Pepes to destroy.

However, mobility kills can be achieved without any real, lasting damage.

As anyone who's ever been on tracked vehicles knows, this is the enemy of mobility:
https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/322346006888_/Wf16u-Field-Telephone-Speaker-Military-Radio-Wire-1000.jpg

To describe the effects, think of when you had an RC car as a kid and drove it on carpet... and then your mom's/sister's/hippie uncle's long hair strands in the carpet got wrapped around the axle.  It doesn't take a very strong wire/strand to disable a wheel.

Thicker stuff does worse, as this poor AAV shows:
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d7f23ac4d089a8ec8be5d82778e27614-c
The likelihood of disabling an antifa dumpster-ram when already being pushed is going to be beyond the scope of what could be feasibly accomplished by use of binding the axles with wire/string/cord.  Pepes aren't going to start laying out concertina wire in Berkeley.

But prescouting the locations of likely battles and wrapping nearby dumpster casters/wheels in something like shoestrings or 550 cord would be sufficient that it would hinder use as a weapon during a melee; but for the dumpster company/sanitation workers they'd represent maybe a three minute fix with a pocketknife.  A few trips around the tiny caster axles would probably be sufficient to disable the dumpster.  You could even leave a length of your tangling agent hanging off the end to aid workers in removal after the Antifa riot has ended - it seems unlikely that any of the Antifa cretins will understand why the wheels are binding, just thatthe wheels are binding.  Obviously if they understood such concepts as cause and effect, they wouldn't be antifa.

You've removed Antifa's ability to use an urban battery ram by giving it wheels that turn even worse than those on shopping carts.


To use their own Alinsky against them - a tactic that drags on is a drag... and the literal drag of trying to push a dumpster 100 yards on seized wheels would probably deter most of the lazy Antifa from continuing their attempt.

It would also have the side benefit of preserving property for the public/company because the dumpster wouldn't be overturned, smashed, and set on fire in the middle of a melee - instead it would sit out the brawl as a mobility kill, and one relatively easily fixed by sanitation workers (again, using shoelaces/550 cord/surveyors string or something easy to cut out and remove... not using comm wire).

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You know the first pic is all weather mil phone wire right?

Concertina wire is in huge bundles

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Use of gloves in MMA was started by fighters who wanted to punch. The boxer in UFC 1 wore one glove. By about UFC 5 grappling gloves were being brought in by some fighters.

The glove protects the hand. I believe it reduces the surface damage the person on the other end receives, but not the aspect of the blow that produces a knock out. You spin the head with a jaw strike just the same. But you are less likely to knock out a tooth. Of course this is with respect to ring/cage gloves, you could devise gloves that increase the surface damage on the opponent.

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I hope we are not teaching people to fight with closed fists. A well struck jab with the palm delivers a potent blow of energy from the Radius and the Ulna with very little energy lost to the padding of the palm - all without the risk of broken fingers, broken Metacarpals and broken wrists. "Fistfighting" is OK for mano-a-mano fighting. Many of these are likely to be protracted engagements and you will not want to be fighting the bulk of the time with a broken hand.

I find it interesting that here on a firearms related site that we are going so down to the base core on account of prosecutorial bias. This level of pragmatism must be maintained. I salute the OP for keeping this thread on the rails. The Joe Biden "Shoot them through the door" approach will only land all of us in prison.

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I hope we are not teaching people to fight with closed fists. A well struck jab with the palm delivers a potent blow of energy from the Radius and the Ulna with very little energy lost to the padding of the palm - all without the risk of broken fingers, broken Metacarpals and broken wrists. "Fistfighting" is OK for mano-a-mano fighting. Many of these are likely to be protracted engagements and you will not want to be fighting the bulk of the time with a broken hand.

I find it interesting that here on a firearms related site that we are going so down to the base core on account of prosecutorial bias. This level of pragmatism must be maintained. I salute the OP for keeping this thread on the rails. The Joe Biden "Shoot them through the door" approach will only land all of us in prison.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJd2RJg-yH4

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Nothing says :anarchists" quite like a full time paid position... Odd, that doesn't seem to be $15.00 an hour.

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A fist adds 4-7 inches of reach to a strike compared to the palm.  That's not insignificant.

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Please, do not conflate these people with anarchists. The name Anarcho-Communist was a derisive moniker that we stuck on these jerkoffs back around 1991 or 1992. We had no dream that they would embrace it. We chose the term because of the complete intellectual vacancy that it implied - that these fools think that Anarchy and Communism are compatible political systems. Anyone that embraces Marxism abandons Anarchy.

Even if these people were Anarchists, there is no compunction within the philosophy of living outside of government that prohibits gainful employment.

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I have seen more vehicles stopped by commo wire than concertina

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What about physical scalps?

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A fist adds 4-7 inches of reach to a strike compared to the palm.  That's not insignificant.

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Also the palm strike risks jammed fingers

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Also the palm strike risks jammed fingers

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The jammed fingers is something I hear about but have never seen. The broken Metatarsals is something I have personally witnessed. I have seen Metatarsals that would never heal properly because the hand is a pre-tensioned system.