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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:11:26 PM EDT
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The part where you propose giving the government the power to mutilate people I think is the sticking point. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:13:40 PM EDT
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The part where you propose giving the government the power to mutilate people I think is the sticking point. what i really dont want is a government so powerful and intrusive that it can detain you, transport you to some government compound/clinic and perform surgery on you against your will because thats what the government has deemed is required for its idea of what society should be. thats a really crazy idea for a site like this and frankly i think this is a troll thread which is ok, i get bored sometimes too. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:16:56 PM EDT
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I believe the thread is over. We have established that people who work and make rational decisions based on their needs, assets and incomes should be forced at gunpoint to support the irrational and selfish decisions of others. We have further established that any person who makes rational decisions and opposes being forced to support the decisions of the irrational, or seeks to compel the irrational to behave in a way that does not interfere with the rational, is a supporter of genocide.
Most happily, we have identified those who believe it is just and right that those who tend to their own affairs be enslaved to those who do not. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:20:32 PM EDT
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I wonder how many people who get super worked up about welfare are net lifetime takers of government funds versus net lifetime donors. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:21:11 PM EDT
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We have also established that FLA1A must have hit his head at some point recently because the thread is crazy.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:26:32 PM EDT
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The part where you propose giving the government the power to mutilate people I think is the sticking point. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:27:04 PM EDT
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Shit, those are the only people you want to sterilize? I want to sterilize like fucking 80% of the population lol.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:27:10 PM EDT
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Right now we are basically paying a portion of society to breed. They know the more kids,they have, the more they get in welfare. Cap the amount they get,or even decrease it for every child they have and it will slow this shit down...
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:31:01 PM EDT
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Do people who lack the resources to raise children have the right to raise whatever number of children pleases them, at taxpayer expense? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The part where you propose giving the government the power to mutilate people I think is the sticking point. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:33:26 PM EDT
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Do people who lack the resources to raise children have the right to raise whatever number of children pleases them, at taxpayer expense? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The part where you propose giving the government the power to mutilate people I think is the sticking point. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:41:03 PM EDT
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Do people who lack the resources to raise children have the right to raise whatever number of children pleases them, at taxpayer expense? |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:46:05 PM EDT
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Nobody has the right to the product of another person's labor except by voluntary arrangement. Duh. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:49:31 PM EDT
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Just change the welfare legislation. Shrink government, don't give them more power. Certainly don't give them any power to force sterilization.
This is a stupid idea, has always been a stupid idea, and will always be a stupid idea, and yet for some reason a lot of otherwise intelligent people seem to like it. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:51:44 PM EDT
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So the option of those who can't or won't make rational reproductive decisions is to fill the gutters with tiny corpses. Quote HistoryQuoted:
So the option of those who can't or won't make rational reproductive decisions is to fill the gutters with tiny corpses. Which policy option do you hate the least? It's all bad, which one is the least bad? Quoted:
Yeah,better to stick with the gov having the power to take a percentage of your income and give it to someone else,then mutilate you if you refuse to "pay your fair share". |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:53:59 PM EDT
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wtf?  |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:04:31 PM EDT
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+1 whats going on here lately Quote HistoryQuoted:
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wtf? |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:34:19 PM EDT
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I believe the thread is over. We have established that people who work and make rational decisions based on their needs, assets and incomes should be forced at gunpoint to support the irrational and selfish decisions of others. We have further established that any person who makes rational decisions and opposes being forced to support the decisions of the irrational, or seeks to compel the irrational to behave in a way that does not interfere with the rational, is a supporter of genocide. Most happily, we have identified those who believe it is just and right that those who tend to their own affairs be enslaved to those who do not. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:37:51 PM EDT
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Get rid of subsidies of all kinds and people can pop out as many kids as they want.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:46:43 PM EDT
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Buck V. Bell.
Yeah, let's go back to those days. Heil Hitler! |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:46:55 PM EDT
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Why not just take away the welfare etc.?
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:48:37 PM EDT
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Do people who lack the resources to raise children have the right to raise whatever number of children pleases them, at taxpayer expense? Eugenics was used widely in this country in the past, ironically for better civic reasons than you bring up. Not only did it not work out, in the best of review, the concept was abused to rediculas ends.. Most of the ideas Hitler used in the holocaust, he learned from experiments attempted in this country in the late 19th - early 20th century's. All our own citizens, but considered less than 'normal'. No recourse or appeal on the victims part. Just gathered up & done. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:54:33 PM EDT
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I believe the thread is over. We have established that people who work and make rational decisions based on their needs, assets and incomes should be forced at gunpoint to support the irrational and selfish decisions of others. We have further established that any person who makes rational decisions and opposes being forced to support the decisions of the irrational, or seeks to compel the irrational to behave in a way that does not interfere with the rational, is a supporter of genocide. Most happily, we have identified those who believe it is just and right that those who tend to their own affairs be enslaved to those who do not. We have further established that any person who makes rational decisions and opposes being forced to support the decisions of the irrational, or seeks to compel the irrational to behave in a way that does not interfere with the rational, is a supporter of genocide. err.. at most one might state that someone who is in favor of forced surgical procedures (for any purpose, but in this case to stop them from procreating) is in fact a supporter of a form of genocide Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. (Article 2 CPPCG)s we have identified those who believe it is just and right that those who tend to their own affairs be enslaved to those who do not. not sure if serious. we all pay taxes. thats a fact of life. in my world view (and i suspect this is the generally accepted as true) paying taxes is not by definition, slavery though some, being overly sensitive to such ideas (sovereign citizens) might feel this way your reasoning is a bit jejune... |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:58:59 PM EDT
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No.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 7:21:56 PM EDT
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Easy peasy. Wonder how many generations of welfare recipients are out there?Here in bumfuck Iowa,I know of a couple of 3 generations now.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just end welfare. Wonder how many generations of welfare recipients are out there?Here in bumfuck Iowa,I know of a couple of 3 generations now. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 9:36:26 PM EDT
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People die daily of starvation in other countries, might as well happen here also instead of me paying for them. Africa is a good example-the UN is crying for billions more dollars to keep them from starving.They can't feed themselves,yet sit around and breed like rabbits and we are supposed to take care of them? In this world of safe spaces and participation trophies,why not continue to reward irresponsible behavior?What's the worst that could happen? |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 9:48:07 PM EDT
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Are you going to do phrenological testing before starting the sterilizations? As for OP=
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Posted: 3/30/2017 9:50:34 PM EDT
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I believe the thread is over. We have established that people who work and make rational decisions based on their needs, assets and incomes should be forced at gunpoint to support the irrational and selfish decisions of others. We have further established that any person who makes rational decisions and opposes being forced to support the decisions of the irrational, or seeks to compel the irrational to behave in a way that does not interfere with the rational, is a supporter of genocide. Most happily, we have identified those who believe it is just and right that those who tend to their own affairs be enslaved to those who do not. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 10:03:14 PM EDT
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Not once did you consider the idea of dropping welfare spending in government budgets. We will continue on with the excellent plan of rewarding people for bad behavior.Look how well it has worked in most inner cities............ |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 10:08:31 PM EDT
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Instead of giving the government more power (and the power to decide if you can reproduce is about as big as it gets), why don't we just shut down welfare (which also gives enormous power to the government)?
Your idea to fix a too powerful government doing harmful things is to give them more power. Does that make any sense? |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 10:12:52 PM EDT
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lol,it's all fantasy-no one is dropping welfare benefits or forcing people to get sterilized. We will continue on with the excellent plan of rewarding people for bad behavior.Look how well it has worked in most inner cities............ |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 10:21:23 PM EDT
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Ah yes, the old "progressive" activist Supreme Court Justice, Oliver Wendell Holmes summed it up: "Three generations of imbeciles are enough" even though with the possible exception of the grandmother, none of them were feeble-minded.
"We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes." Oliver Wendell Holmes Buck v. Bell 274 U.S. 200 |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 10:25:23 PM EDT
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Unconstitutional since 195? ? Ever. Trust your betters. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 10:26:23 PM EDT
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If I became the governor of NY state, I would start cutting back on welfare benefits as my first order of bidness, literally. I'd be like, "Move to New Jersey, Connecticut, Vermont or Massachusetts. Let the libtards there fund your life." Of course, I would have to take on a hailstorm of attacks from the leftist media. Second order of bidness would be getting rid of the Safe act. Third order of bidness would be covering up my Russian ties.... just kidding. Its a joke.... comrade. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 10:26:50 PM EDT
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Look how well it has worked in most inner cities............ I'm not gonna strip naked and run backward through the ghetto (in fact, I'm going to put on another shirt, nobody needs to see this), but it's my understanding that the welfare state has pretty much only grown since the 70s (according to the Cato, it's basically tripled as a proportion of GDP since 1965; and welfare spending per person-in-poverty has also tripled in constant dollars). Shit was really bad in the 70s and 80s, but things have been getting better on the crime front since the early 90s, and if welfare spending hasn't fallen off to make poor people change their behavior, what has? |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 10:27:51 PM EDT
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You would never become governor of NYS running on such a platform. Hell,I can remember the Republican Governor that ran as pro gun not all that many years ago............... FNY |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 10:33:22 PM EDT
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I think the government should offer anyone $10,000 cash, tax free, to become permanently sterile. I don't care if you are 18 or 98, the offer is open to any adult. It'll save a lot of money in the long run. Hell at this point in my life sign me up  The procedure is paid for and any complications that might occur right?
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Posted: 3/30/2017 10:35:10 PM EDT
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What are your thoughts on the following statute? 1. Any person who sires a child which child is supported by welfare, WIC, Section 8 Housing, Free or Subsidized School Lunch, or other tax-funded income-based assistance shall be permanently and irreversibly sterilized upon commencement of the child's receipt of such assistance. 2. Any person who gives birth to a child which child is supported by welfare, WIC, Section 8 Housing, Free or Subsidized School Lunch, or other tax-funded income-based assistance shall be permanently and irreversibly sterilized upon commencement of the child's receipt of such assistance. 3. Any person who is supported by welfare, WIC, Section 8 Housing, Free or Subsidized School Lunch, or other tax-funded income-based assistance shall be permanently and irreversibly sterilized upon birth of a child to such person. Sounds like you are trolling, because I doubt you are that stupid. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 10:46:25 PM EDT
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Wasn't just 'imbeciles' back then. Native Americans, epileptics, certain blacks, interracial married couples & many others were done without consent or due process.
Every bit of it was legal...
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Posted: 3/30/2017 11:42:27 PM EDT
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I don't think OP's provisions or similar promote building the kind of society I want to live in.
They go too far, while also not going nearly far enough. We need to go to sink-or-swim for able bodied adults that aren't willing to fill in potholes and pick up trash. I don't care to risk missing out on the next big wave of productivity and quality of potential life improvements because tens of millions of useless fucks are holding us back. We're like a household weighed down by several loser children living in the basement. I don't see any nice way to get from here to there, though. |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 12:03:49 AM EDT
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You would have a better chance of just getting rid of welfare altogether, legislatively speaking. So why not just do that?
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Posted: 3/31/2017 12:28:34 AM EDT
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You would have a better chance of just getting rid of welfare altogether, legislatively speaking. So why not just do that? |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 7:45:53 AM EDT
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Boy, the Totalitarian Impulse isn't just a feature of the left is it.
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Posted: 3/31/2017 10:30:18 AM EDT
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What I would see as a lot more doable would be if the individual that's requesting .gov to pay for the birth of their child would volunteer, in return, to have their tubes tied. If they don't volunteer to do it, they don't get the whole bill paid. An escalating scale could be incorporated so by the third (just an arbitrary number thrown out there) the .gov would no longer pay for any part of the birth.
You do have to realize, though, the racket isn't in paying for births, the costs to .gov is after the birth. Women turn out kids like puppy mills to get the funds available to single, unemployed mothers. THAT lucrative incentive is what needs to be addressed. Could be that a cash payout incentive could be used at the time of birth to have tubes tied. $10K, up front would be cheaper than the results otherwise & accomplish the goals. |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 10:33:09 AM EDT
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Boy, the Totalitarian Impulse isn't just a feature of the left is it. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:20:38 AM EDT
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Saw this preview last night and thought of this thread........
[youtube]https://youtu.be/8FbQoI8P7c4[/youtube] |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:33:56 AM EDT
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I don't have a problem with something like Norplant being required for any females over the age of 14 receiving government assistance, but the permanent sterilization gives me pause. We do need to ensure anyone receiving government assistance is prevented to the best of our ability from generating offspring they obviously can't afford. However, there is always the possibility they will get an education or otherwise overcome a temporary situation and become productive members of society. If they get off welfare they should have the ability to freely choose to have kids just like anyone else. Receiving government aid should not taint the rest of a person's life.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 10:44:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/3/2017 12:03:46 PM EDT
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Isolated incidents............
[youtube]https://youtu.be/sjpGBEPYv80[/youtube] [youtube]https://youtu.be/yXY28nnxuh8[/youtube] Idiocracy nailed it.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 12:12:09 PM EDT
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Planned parenthood should offer free sterilization instead of abortions.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 12:15:16 PM EDT
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TNR - Trap-Neuter-Release
Works for feral cats!!!!!!! 
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